In conversation with Sam Altman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- (0:00) Welcoming Sam Altman to the show!
(2:28) What's next for OpenAI: GPT-5, open-source, reasoning, what an AI-powered iPhone competitor could look like, and more
(21:56) How advanced agents will change the way we interface with apps
(33:01) Fair use, creator rights, why OpenAI has stayed away from the music industry
(42:02) AI regulation, UBI in a post-AI world
(52:23) Sam breaks down how he was fired and re-hired, why he has no equity, dealmaking on behalf of OpenAI, and how he organizes the company
(1:05:33) Post-interview recap
(1:10:38) All-In Summit announcements, college protests
(1:19:06) Signs of innovation dying at Apple: iPad ad, Buffett sells 100M+ shares, what's next?
(1:29:41) Google unveils AlphaFold 3.0
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BIG EPISODE
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Idk, 20min in and all answers seem kinda bland and nothing really has been said. For some reason Sam seems full of shit. The world doesn't need another Zuck
we are so back
STOP DOING INTERVIEW EPISODES. They Suck
Time will reveal this guy to be another SBF-type. He only cares about himself.
Sam Altman- The master of talking without saying anything
OpenAI is called openAi because sam keeps everything opened. "I don't know", "Maybe", "We just take one step after the other"
He should stop reading Bhagavad Gita. Maybe read Douglas Adam and Isaac Asimov.
so the opposite of straight shooter Vivek Ramaswamy.
@@rexbenedict6062 Does he really read the Bhagavad Gita?
@@rexbenedict6062 I think the reason he is how he is, is because he probably read too much Isaac Asimov and never thought of anything novel himself.
I think Sam speaks more to confuse than to clarify
it isnt confusing , we just realise hes talking shyte much of the time
He tweets like a teenage Jaden Smith
what exactly are you confused about
@@alexoaten9717They’re just being children. They hate Altman because he hasn’t given them their shiny new toy (GPT-5) yet, isn’t willing to speak publicly about a ton of private details that the company hasn’t made public yet, and isn’t willing to give away their flagship product, which cost them half a billion dollars to produce, totally for free by open sourcing it. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a more concentrated display of undeserved hatred toward a CEO or a company.
He will get wrecked by open source
The more I learn about Sam the more I understand Elon's beef with him lol
both exacty t e same deluded lost souls
@@PazLeBonElon isn't a lost soul he is just against extinctionist and decels, far left is trying to stop growth and Elon saw it coming just look at what happened in gigaberlin
💯
This was my exact thought as well
@@PazLeBon I don’t necessarily disagree but how are they lost? Seem to be doing great things
"Can we have a more accurate timeline for gpt5?"
"So... what i would like to think is... bananas is probably a great flavor for pizza..."
Bruh 😂😂 fr
Lol
That IS an answer if you are smart
He said they are taking their time to get it right. It might not even be called GPT5. They haven't decided how it is going to be released, or whether it will be released widely in the beginning. I understood what he said.
I don't believe a single word this guy says.
Agree
This guy sounds like the opening statement of a movie showing the demise of humanity. He seems too happy to talk about having a separate AI entity act on your behalf in the world.
It's so interesting to get alerted by TH-cam knowing exactly when we all get to see a new episode to see the results of a ven diagram of people who a) haven't watched the episode because the comment is posted 3minutes after release and then b) are too excited to post something short and punchy and sensational to create drama..
I always thought he seemed like a sociopath, maybe well meaning, but straight tabula rasa.
Everyone in the comments seems to recognize there's something off about him. I think that's what there seeing without knowing, him searching for the "correct" answer, comes off as ingenuity, but the reality is deeper imo.
@@GrahamQuigley This is great. You nailed it 😂
Was impressed they got Sam, but this is so painful. Can’t answer a question or look at the camera. Two horrible episodes in a row.
For the first 10-15 minutes yea but you get used to it and read into what he’s saying like Jason and then we’re trying
Talking lots, saying nothing
Going to skip this episode too. Shame.
I have to agree. Father of ChatGPT? Jokes… it should go to some technical leader
Couldn't agree more. The previous episode, especially, no hard questions whatsoever.
Sacks’s internal monologue, “I can’t believe I missed a board meeting for this”
I’ll be honest. I don’t watch this for interviews, we prefer you 4 talking through topics. Just honest feedback.
The Kennedy interview seemed good but it might have been the start of fluff episodes making it out.
Hey Sean, let’s stop criticizing because not everything is for clicks and audience. These guys can and should do whatever they want
Agreed. I don’t like the interviews
@@tmjel1 unless it's Tucker Carlson though aye
Nah its good. Im glad we get to see how useless Sam seems even to the besties
Zero value add.
Sam should go into politics, so many words used, so little said.
much better than on lex tho
@@menachempike4489 True this was better than on Lex... but by a few percent. And I think much of that has to do with Sam's previous familiarity with the hosts.
i don't know who listens him willingly - masochists i guess
This was almost as boring as last weeks podcast. Zero education from last two episodes
@@farmerbrett8660 two episodes I couldn’t finish. And I’ve listened to every single one. And made it through 90%. Even harder than listening to these guys not so humbly brag about their latest caviar snack and name drop. Still my favorite pod cast but fame fucks and these guys aren’t immune.
Reality check if you happen to be reading: creating and investing are not the same. You simply made some good bets and the system is setup for money to make money. Not genius to make money.
Sam Altman has zero of my trust.
ya hes weird
And he’s so sassy. Oh my god.
Good. It probably means hes doing something right. Nobody believed elon or jobs in their early days. The viewers of this podcast are mostly elon fanbois and so i understand where the jealousy and hate comes from. Good thing is over 20 m people using and paying for gpt4 disagrees.
y?
Only 00:19 seconds before his dark sarcasm comes out.
Chamath called the student protesters "ding dongs" then David Sacks goes onto to defend them. I would have never guessed that happening a couple of years ago.
Putin likes the Palestinian protests as it weakens the west.
David works for Putin. Guessing he got a nice bailout a couple of years ago.
I started listening the podcast because of chamtath now the more I listen to it the more I dislike him and the more find myself agree with sacks
They are "ding dongs." Sacks is defending their right to protest, not their character.
Skipping straight to post interview
1:05:30
Same
Thx
yuuup
Same
Why can't this guy just answer a question directly? The panel needs to press him more to his face, they criticized him so much on past podcasts.
I heard a ton of direct answers in this interview. Of course there are going to be some questions he can’t answer with full transparency yet, because not everything is ready to be made public yet. Every private company has questions that they’re not willing to answer until certain things are made public. OpenAI in general and Sam Altman in particular are getting so much hate these days and it seems to me that the vast majority of it is undeserved.
very suspicious. If someone avoids answer probing questions.
What specifically do you want to know, perhaps I can assist you with that ? I know way more about AI then these propagandists / children.
But don't waist my time, if you ask good questions I will always assist.
@@therainman7777 Okay, Sam Jr. Cheesus.
@@Pok3rfaceok, go for it: why do those guys all push llms like they are something vastly innovative. Hardly any improvements since the early days of transformers and RL. Llms are nothing other than glorified webcrawlers. Question: do you believe openai already possesses any kind of model that in the slightest expresses reason, but which they hide because they first need to milk the chatgpt cow to the fullest?
Sam will talk for an hour and a half and say nothing
And the other half is just shyte.
ndas
He feels like, he thinks that maybe general general general. What kind of dodgy behavior is this for an engineer? Not assertive, very feminine.
I don't think you listened. Also Tells us you have never met anyone really really intelligent.
@@Nachos4587 You don't think? What do you feel? What tells us? We have Sam Altman Jr. here
Sacks possesses a unique clarity in his perceptions, unafraid to voice his opinions in a diplomatic way that sets him apart from others. A true free speech advocate.
You could train an AI excuse generator on Sam's responses
Lol
Apply to YC with the idea. Perfect for politicians.
tbh I think They probably got him an Epstein island visit, or the equivalent. Hence his prevarication/hesitation/thinly-veiled shame
That was not Sam talking 😂
I’d love more context on Sam as a person, because my gut check on this guy sadly calls bullshit.
Edit: they dropped GPT-4o days later.
Calls? I'd say puts but I can't pick a date
They probably got him an Epstein island visit, or the equivalent. Hence his prevarication/hesitation/thinly-veiled shame
How's this? --> He lies and manipulates so constantly that his own board fired him for that reason.
"It makes me sad that we have not figured out a way to make GPT-4 level technology available to free users, it's something we really want to do"
"GPT4 is still only available to the paid users but one of the things we really want to do is figure out how to make more advanced technology available to free users too"
Your detector is not wrong, but he may be bullshitting by underselling rather than overselling which is potentially scarier
There's something so incredibly off with this guy, literally nothing he says sounds sincere. My gut tells me this guy will do some real evil in the world, and everyone will look back at these kinds of podcasts and think it was so obvious that this guy was up to no good. Real scary stuff.
Same. I want to like him, but just cant shake that gut feeling, that there is something shady about him
He's very focused on convincing people that he's a good person.
Yeah I can’t look at him. That is always a sign someone is bad to me.
Sam Bankman-Fried, part II, bigger and messier.
@@9thuanlealso much more obvious imo. SBF at least had some kind of (faked?) naïve kind of charisma. This guy is just politician-level obviously disingenuous.
Sam speaks in generalities because he actually doesn't know what the heck is going on. He's an administrator. He's not slaving away day after day on producing improved AI. Need to talk with the working computer engineers.
Bingo. Tired of the business people getting the credit for everything.
No it’s because AI moves way to fast to predict.
It learns a human lifetime of knowledge in a few seconds & then builds on itself.
Capabilities expand exponentially, G5 will be 10x more capable than G4 and it runs on chips that are 2-3 x as fast…
he obviously knows, he’s being vague for the power and biz upperhand
No……he’s a fox. He acts like he doesn’t know what’s going on.
Ilya is the man ti have on the pod! Not Sam.
Friedberg's background is once again on point for this guest.
And....my spidey sense also goes off with Altman.
Interviews with Altman are so boring, no new information or context with anything and he comes off so self-righteous
Stop projecting
Yup agreed
I thought it was pretty awesome actually. Podcasts like this help you see how people like Sam think and process. If you were looking for scoop, you’ll probably be disappointed.
100%
we want Ilya!
Fun fact: Sam Altman banned Jason from investing in YC startups because Jason was predatory lol
Predatory?
@@DanielRobinson1 yeah. He was taking advantage of founders
@@mmoncif not surprised. that’s in character w Jason
@@DanielRobinson1 wow, pots and kettles just a tad
Goddamn. When Sam "Cannibal King" Altman calls you predatory you really need to reconsider your actions lol
All the criticism about Elon “he’s not an engineer”, “he’s just a business guy”, “he’s a liar”, “he’s doing evil in the world” instead should be rightly aimed at Sam Altman imho.
Totally agree
Sam Altman isn't helping a wannabe dictator try to get reelected.
@@tayler2396 Crazy take imho. This administration has destroyed the economy and gotten us involved in multiple wars. Sent our tax dollars overseas and can’t even speak properly. I’d vote for anybody over Biden.
This show should have no guests and the 3 besties should just stay quiet and let David Sacks shower us with his knowledge of economics, politics or any other topic he decides on. He’s a true gem, a thought leader of our times.
Softball questions in a fast pitch game
It’s politics. You never want to disrespect a guest. Also lots of money invested among all their friends. But yeah I get it.
@@JocobsCommentsthis right here. But great episode nonetheless
Well said. Same with Rogan. God forbid someone asks the guy a simple question like why is your model closed source and why won't it give basic stats and statistics about Trump?
They are all easily influenced by influential people being nice .
“It’s important to us…” “it’s our mission to…” Man the more you say it like that the less I believe you
He really gives the vibe like he's building an ai to find love
He’s learned what he needs to say to gain trust.
It’s the pauses, like he’s in deep thought, to give the most basic answer. He and Zuck both speak in very much the same way.
@@ed1658 true - I don’t get the same vibes from Zuck though that I get from Sam. I don’t think Sam’s intentions are pure.
As always just great time spent being a fly on the wall, much appreciated. I must add one insight about the collage protest that needs to be addressed that a full 44% of the protesters had no affiliation with the university they were protesting at. I find that troubling as well as the source of funding for the protest.
I have listened to every episode for years. First time I skipped through to the end. Last week stunk too. Love the mix of tech, politics, and science. Do not love long form interviews with guests. That's why we have Lex.
This guy is super slippery. Idk why but I just don’t trust him
Interesting how so many of us just have an intuitive spidey sense that something is not right
Exactly my thought
I think he’s just eccentric and unconventional. He also kinda talks like a politician, which is probably the thing makes people not like him.
I think underneath everything he’s a decent guy trying to do good things for the world.
Sam is so good at saying so much but saying nothing
he s not good at all, like a v poor trainee politician
@@PazLeBonyeah
mike baker of tech
He's not good at it at all compared to some.
the Sam Bankman-Fried of AI.
Friedberg portion was once again the most informative and useful information that will affect most of us in some way. Explained passionately and with humor. Thanks
No one seems to have asked Sam Altman the most obvious question about his firing: On what specific issue or set of issues did the board decide to fire you over?
I'm surprised there was no continued push for answers when Sam talked around the questions about closed sourcing OpenAI. Why even have these people on if you aren't going to push them when they talk out of their a$$. There was plenty of talk in previous episodes criticizing Sam about closed sourcing OpenAI.
This episode was just a primer for OpenAI’s event next week.
What a joke
Why should they confront their guest? That’s what haters and trolls do. Civility is a rare commodity these days. 🙄
@@nabormendonca5742 cos hes sort of a liar?
@@PazLeBon Their Open Stood for keeping the Fruits of AI open to the public, afaik they have genuine researchers (such as ilya sutskever) worried what models will be able to do as they get better and what bad things they could do if they dont have aligment baked into them
currently you can strip any and all alignment from the model when you have the weights, you can make a maximally bad version with reverse reward training, if that model can be put into a agent system to do compley tasks, things can go bad real quick
They have a lot of responsibility when they push SOTA and unlock new capabilities, especially if alignment isnt figured out yet
The vocal fry king is here. 5 minutes in and I am preparing myself for his vocal chords to sound like it has never known a drop of water.
I'm glad there's someone out there that feels the same way
Or a woman's touch
It really is way too much.
Feed his voice and RFk Jr's vocie into the music robot and prompt the robot to create a duet song 🎵 featuring both parched voices.
Typical valley girl
"In this business it's easy to confuse luck with brains"
Sam speaks about AI in very broad strokes. You can tell his technical understanding of the space is limited. I wish we could have more interviews with hands on technical AI researchers.
Glad to have everyone back this week
This guy is bad news. He's treated by the media with such deference that I feel like I'm on a different planet.
ur not alone
He's thoroughly unimpressive
I think They probably got him an Epstein island visit, or the equivalent. Hence his prevarication/hesitation/thinly-veiled shame
I'm beginning to REALLY hate the direction the world is headed.
We've got these "spectrum level geniuses" who are disconnected from human emotion creating what they believe the world needs, and whilst it's potentially inspiring, it's actually more terrifying than anything.
Nerds and the technology they build will ruin humanity because "these people" don't have the empathy to see beyond the short term goals of proving how smart they are and capturing as much power (and money) as possible.
Their personalities mean they'll do it with evangelical, sociopathic and narcissistic gusto that has complete disregard for the people they hurt. And it will be a lot of people.
It's beyond terrifying.
I feel like he has gpt-6 with low latency streaming through his AirPods telling him what to say realtime.
LOL exactly
And what not to say, by inference
this man dodges questions like a boxer just say when gpt5 will be released
What you are seeing is the face of greed. It's uncomfortable seeing him try make himself into a philanthropist.
But didnt you hear him keep talking about their mission? They really care!
Sam has no equity in OpenAI. Im confused about what he is greedy about other than wanting to build usefulness in the world.
@@99dynasty lmao so naive
@@99dynasty He has a tonne of equity under the new setup.
Ten years ago when he was talking about AGI he was seen as a crackpot. He was mocked and ridiculed. Now after 10 years of attracting the world's greatest researchers to work on his moonshot idea it seems within reach. OpenAI has literally changed the world. That isn't greed, it's called vision, and what he's done is more meaningful than the vast majority of "non profits" run by clueless liberals where 80 cents of every donated dollar goes to paying the salaries of the people who work there.
Sam sounded confused and unsure of where his own product is going. He DID NOT sound like a Visionary. When you listen to Elon, he sounds like a Visionary. Elon is like Steve Jobs, and Sam is like Tim Cook.
Power dynamic here is insane. Sam has inside knowledge of potentially world changing tech and he get to choose how much he reveals. And he knows that.
This. All the haters in these comments.
This is the best comment on this episode.
Yes, and thays exactly why people are concerned and want to know more. Since it's hard to trust a guy who says one day we'll basically own agi and we'll give you agi credits as compute. That's pretty dystopian
Totally. All the commenters will never understand the power and responsibility of running a trillion dollar company 😊
Sam Altman roasting Jcason was not on my all in bingo card
damn that was good. JCal plugging his Uber investment while giving an intro for Sam... oof
Lololol
I just pushed play
Already wincing in anticipation of Sam’s voice.
Sam is very clearly hinting at a ChatGPT Siri integration
17:33 “I think voice is a hint to whatever the next thing is”
16:06 “Iphone is the like greatest piece of technology humanity has ever made”
Maybe
Don't be evil, Sam. The fate of all of humanity is riding on it. I wish it weren't, but it is.
What is the deal? 11 minutes in and the hard questions are posed very softly, Sam gives snowball answers, and no one is pressing him for an honest statement. Has All In become just a marketing platform at this point? I love you guys, but man this is a tough interview to stomach so far.
Why did you guys change the format? Even though I disagree with couple of the guys on the show. Really enjoyed the banter of ideas. Interviewing folks and having a lovefest around how great these Silicon Valley poeple is a waste of time. Will check in every Friday to see if the format goes back to the four.
Oh shut up
😂😂😂
Cut him some slack, he's a newbie
@@emmanuelelijah4539 newb isnt biased and hes talking dead straight
@@princediop8190 nah OP is on point. These guys are sucking balls w the interviews.
Did I miss the apology for last weeks debacle?
I think the third billionaire they bleeped out was Bill Ackman
altman is exactly how the evil character in a scifi book would look like
Sam seems to answer the question without answering the question 🤔
do you think he even understands any of the questions? lol
In the beginning, I thought I was stupid with Sam’s abstract thoughts. But after 1h, Chamath confirmed even he didn’t understand because he had to do his own interpretation.
This man Sam Altman may be the definition of right place right time. He’s at most of average intelligence
He’s got a magic black box, created by those who came before him. The only innovation was the interface, which was going to happen sooner or later. All he’s got to work with is the idea that the more data, the better the performance.
He’s just being so shady and passive.
He is not trustworthy. He took something that was supposed to be open and closed it for his own profit and power. He can talk cap about wanting to make the world better all he wants. But actions speak louder them words, buddy!
Friedberg is dope. Guy always on the signal so good at keeping focus on what’s important
Hahaha hahaha....
The fact that this guy has so much of society and civilization’s outcome in his hands coupled with his demonstrated egoism and political brinkmanship should be terrifying to most people.
where is ilya sutskever? 🤣
What did Ilya see???
Sam made him a gone burger real quick after the coup attempt 😂
lmao
Ilya saw a psychopath in charge with too much power and influence
@@soggybiscuit6098 exactly, where even is Ilya? He’s literally physically missing right?
Sam Altman literally follows: "If you can't convince them, confuse them"
I think having Sam on is good for the show’s reach. But would love to get a separate episode on current news with a release of an interview
Never heard so many people talking about Groq without saying the word "Groq" lol
Groq with Llama 3 has to freak out Sam. Its faster and cheaper. A well designed agent system will smoke GPT4. To really get the most out of GPT4 you cant just zero shot. You need to go back and forth a bit. Even if Llama 3 takes twice the amount of prompts to get the same result you are still way ahead. I dont think it would take double the prompts though. Prompting chatgpt after prompting the 8b Llama 3 model feels like a dial up modem vs a fiber connection.
😂 💯
Well done, Saks, for calling out the made-up stories on the protestors
Am I totally misunderstanding Sam or has he pretty much been saying there should be as many roadblocks(that didn’t exist pre his product) as possible for all his competitors
You are not misunderstanding
petition to number the episodes again, going up every week felt like small milestones 😭plus the reflection episode 200 is close
Is he trying to talk like Elon . Something rubs me the wrong way with this dude .
Right? Nothing he says sounds sincere. This guy is just giving all kinds of evil vibes.
he Xed/writed like the other Sam, BankFried, never used capital letters, hope they don’t end up the same
He definitely has agi and now is culled.
Watched 1 min already better than the last Lean In Podcast
I leaned way out---no thanks. First one I've skipped in a long while.
i turned off in 5 minutes last episode. sorry. i don't know how to lean..
😂😂
i felt the opposite, boring guy imo.
Never watching a Sam interview again.
Can we get a count of how many times he said “like”
I watched part of the Sam interview but ended up just skipping to the Alphafold 3 talk. I was hoping you guys would talk about that
I love that chamath got a haircut for this
😂
Thank you all for all your hard works!!
I did not like Sam's interrupting.
Sam is totally humoring these guys. Feels like a cat playing with mice 😂
He doesn't seem to know anything about anything, just that they are thinking about it. A lot of fuzz and clouds of words that mean nothing. I'm not buying it! The I'm the good guy narrative is doubtable to say the least.
ClosedAI. Looking forward for them open sourcing everything and share data and code. Until then I don‘t feel the mission, if somebody censors the most powerful tool and has the full version in his cellar.
I feel like this era of tech CEOs talk in generalities and sound unsure. It’s unsettling. We need someone who has a communication style like Steve Job. We need someone to guide us during these times of rapid change
Get David Friedberg to ask the same questions to Ilya.
Please bring Alex Karp for All In summit to talk about Palantir
When Friedberg talks or asks a question, I listen really carefully. Who else?
It’s difficult to dislike a human as much as I dislike Sam, but here we are and he earned it
We are borg - resistant is futile.
Very fitting backdrop
I noticed that too.
I feel like he is evil.. I don't like him.
if you're wondering who the 3rd billionaire was, it was Bill Ackman
The best moment was JCal the loose cannon announcing “his panel members”, the annoyed look on Friedman’s face and Chamath’s great laughter
All due respect to the besties but this is boring AF
Sam is a car salesman at best
Sam speaks like the cat who caught the canary. That’s why he sounds so untrustworthy. He’s actually hiding something, and doing his best to dance around it without letting the cat out of the bag.
this. of course he’s gonna give non answer answers. he doesn’t wanna give up 1st place. especially not to the entire public.
though the “open-but closed-ai” is a tough pill to swallow. especially with the way he dances around that question specifically.
Props to Sacks for being so intellectually honest and defending the protesters.
Shout out to Freeberg for showing the Borg!
Would love to see you bringing Ilya for an interview next.
Thank you for having Sam Altman on your podcast. I hope he comes back for another conversation with the Besties. It was interesting.
Many comments here are pointlessly negative. The discussion about the best medium to interface with LLMs was super interesting.
Sam doesn't want to create an "assistant" or an "agent", but instead he wants to create a "SENIOR EMPLOYEE". Which means a reason based employee, which means UNEMPLOYMENT across ALL industries. When Sam Altman says he wants to "DESIGN A WORLD", I often wonder who gave him the permission to do so. Of course the answer is, NOBODY did. I can't wait for the day when an eventual AGI replaces these nihilistic, anti-human innovators with a smart app. As usual these "innovators" never ask themselves IF they should be creating these things. They just do, and stand back and watch the chaos unfold. 😢
He’s confirmed he’s really not an expert in AI. He’s a mediocre cheerleader exec making slow poor decisions that turned “openAI” closed. Open source will consign him to history dustbin.
The amazing part about GAI is that it is trained and come up with generalized reasonings and use that to learn and adapt and generate an answer. The key take away is that we as human really only have few generalized ways to learn. Heck, entire computer/electronics have only a handful of strategy to approach problems, most well known is the divide-conquer strategy. We just get very good at translate problems into the sets that we can work on.
tldr; the things that separates us from the apes, are really a handful of differences that kicked off everything. Now we have a system that can use trial and error to generate new ways to solve problems.
Apple ad message: we’ve compressed all of this creativity into the thinnest iPad ever.