The funny thing is, no one claim 2nd gen didn’t do anything, but our claim is that BTS made kpop international, and revelant in western market, they were able to bust through the market and stay there opening the doors wider for other Kpop groups. Other groups were able to come in the same market but fail to open for the next generation or their generation.
@@anamower478 2nd Gen or whoever closed the door behind them when they came back through (because they DIDN"T stay RELEVANT), locked it and threw away the key.... BTS knocked that mug off the hinges and said Honey, we're home. Mi casa and all that. Say thank you BTS
The ridiculous fighting right now is because people aren't clarifying to where the bands paved the way. 2nd Gen, more specifically BB, is a legendary group who has been popular and successful for many years and still is today. They helped keep the industry going and they are very popular in the Asian markets, but not so much in the west. However, BTS paved the way to the west. BTS isn't the first group to perform in the west, but those first groups did nothing to make it easier for the next gen Asian artist. BTS is the group that blew the doors open with their appeal and unparalleled global success. This led western entertainment industry to be more accepting of other Asian musical artists. To deny that fact is just stubborn ignorance. Saying BTS paved the way does not diminish BB's accomplishments.
Damn u cold 😂 "this channel's dead" The fact that she confirmed BTS paved the way in the first minute says everything. It's just another dumb reason for fandoms to argue
KPOP stans main argument against the statement (fact) that BTS paved the way is that BTS would not have become idols/chosen music if it hadn't been for 2nd generation (since the boys' have named certain groups as their inspiration, especially during their rookie years) but truth to be told 99% of times BTS have credited black hip-hop artists as their main musical inspiration, but KPOP stans completely ignore this. If inspiring an artist to pursue a career in a field meant "paving the way" then the credit goes to black artists. Idol BTS may have looked up to or taken notes from other kpop groups, but artist BTS were always inspired by a very wide spectrum of artists, especially hip-hop artists. I think a lot of 2nd generation fans thought of 2nd generation as the peak of kpop in terms of popularity, artistry and chart success but were slapped in the face by the 3rd generation, especially BTS. You'd think the same humbling would happen to 3rd generation fans and idols when 4th gen started but 4th gen is struggling to this day to get out of 3rd gen's shadows, especially BTS while 5th gen has already started. All throughout this, BTS has remained constant and relevant, the talk of the town in their home market, in the foreign market, in their fan's minds, haters' minds, skeptic's minds, as a group, as soloists they have dominated charts (mostly ONLY BTS members have been seen charting, rarely any kpop group). They have remained the biggest money makers and the face of an entire industry and country during hiatus. Now THAT is paving the way.
The funny part is all army are very well aware of what paving the way means because joon told us what it means to him. She is right about that praveing the way breaking down walls for other groups to do what they have done easier no one ever said that second gen didn't do something but the truth 2nd gen didn't make as big as impact long lasting impact as BTS do. Big bang is important on their own if only because they inspired a generation listen without Big bang there would be no BTS nobody disputes that show the argument is null
This is how I see it ... BigBang, WonderGirls, GirlsGeneration, Psy, 2NE1 & whoever else that is 2nd-gen might have helped pave the way, but just like what the A.I. hinted at, the 2nd-gen began by cutting some of the bushes & grass out in the forest, with machetes perhaps, to make a little dirt path. No one is denying that, even Boracity said that in one of her videos. However, what BTS used to PAVE the way in this current era of KPop was with a giant steamroller, along with gravel trucks, tons of asphalt & a big construction crew. 😃 People may not realize it, but BTS paved the way back to the origin of KPop, which is the United States. KPop has come back full circle to its home, the US, in a big way thanks to these 7 guys & BigHit/Hybe. It is also so weird & odd that some people are saying that BTS are getting too westernized, yet these people/fans/critics/haters are totally forgetting that KPop is a western music concept in the first place. There is nothing naturally & inherently Korean about KPop, even including a ton of the non-KPop indie & other music in Korea. If you want KPop and/or BTS music not to be westernized, then one thing KPop can do is totally remove the 12TET musical scale in all of KPops songs, both today & in the future. That could help take half the chunk out of it being western. Then next, only use Korean traditional music scales & music genres/styles, like pansori & gugak. Thus after that, KPop will be no more pop music, no more ballads, no more R&B, rock, hiphop, EDM, western classical, jazzy, etc. No you cannot use Trot music either, because that too came from the US. Ok, so good, after removing all that, now it is not western anymore, but guess what, who beyond Korea is going to listen to it now? People forget that most of the whole world is westernized, that is one reason KPop is palatable to the world. Let us not also forget the Kim Sisters, who they too became popular playing western music back in the 1950s-1960s. KPop is part of the butterfly effect of the past 150 years of western music & other western inventions/concepts (i.e. electronics) having gotten introduced & adopted by Korea. Also take a look at South Koreas national anthem, the musical part composed back in the 1930s, as that too is western-style music. 01/06/25 - happy new year
This whole conversation about who really paved the way is turning annoying. Just like Boracity magazine said in her video Nobody is discrediting the job of the previous generations, but they didn't make it easier for others to walk through the Western industry. Using the same example about someone walking through the forest for the first time. Yes, the people who walk through the forest for the first time are going to go through the branches, rough roads, dirty paths, and all of that. Even then, that doesn't mean they made a road because they left no clear maps or markings to guide those coming behind them. Roads are created when people start using those routes, looking for ways to make them easier, less rough, less time-consuming. Just because you entered the forest doesn't mean you created a road, the forest has so many other entries and the one that becomes a road is the one that is easier to navigate. The second-gen ventured themselves into the western forest, they faced challenges and left when things didn't work out, but they didn't leave a smudge of a path to follow. It wasn’t until BTS came up and also ventured into the western forest that they brought up the machetes and axes and created a clear path that others could follow. I have zero doubt that BTS got inspired by the second-gen (they have said it themselves) but let's not forget that their history in the music industry is an anomaly. They got Western attention by accident, and from there, they saw an opportunity and took it. They didn't venture into the forest with the same amount of resources and promotions, they were invited into the forest because they had a huge amount of fans voting for them, and a huge portion of those fans happened to be from Western countries, promoting them. BTS was the exception to the rule. Back then, the rule was: if you managed to debut under one of the biggest three labels, your success was almost guaranteed. Only those coming from YG, JPG, and SM were afforded the luxury of going to the States to promote their new music, appearing in certain shows, having prime time slots, and inside the K-pop world, participating in the big award ceremonies and getting those accolades. BTS came from a nearly bankrupt label, they had no way to promote their music in big shows, prime time slots, or win major awards. They literally had to look for a different route that was not yet explored back then (social media and blogging) and from there, reaching milestones to set precedents for those behind them. Trying to compare their trajectory in the music industry with the rest of the K-pop acts at the moment is a false equivalence because the conditions were different, the variables were different and the results were different too. I just don't get why it is so hard to understand. Nobody is discrediting the first and second gen work and trajectory, but it's tuning ridiculous at this point.
Exactly - the same reason why calling it “the big 4” is disingenuous because the Big 3 have totally different structure of connections throughout the media and Hybe are outsiders starting from scratch.
What AI homegirl fails to recognize is that those 2nd gen groups may have carved a footpath for themselves, but after they failed to gain a foothold and they returned home, the path grew over. It became impassable for anyone else. The message they brought back home was that the west was something kpop could never truly crack. It discouraged anyone from ever trying and they stayed happily in their larger Asian markets. BTS went out there, secured a foothold, and *brought back interest to their home country from western audiences.* They made the rest of the world actually care to see what else Korea had and paved that little overgrown footpath with gold. A little, nobody group did that. Others had social media they could have used. They could have had the same work ethic and self-production focus. But they didn't. Again, they were comfortable with their at-home payola system and letting others do the music writing for them. You can't pick a local road and then complain it didn't take you global. *Also, a whole kpop group selling out arenas in the U.S. is cute. Call me when you're selling out stadiums.
This. 100% agree. That's what I've been saying to others as well. Yeah, they probably did it first but they certainly didn't made it easier for the groups that followed them. They made it easier for themselves but not to other groups. Like after BTS got recognition & won, how many award shows added a Kpop category? Like rn, we're seeing a lot more groups after BTS shine outside Kpop & gets recognition. They got more ppl listen to Kpop.
they can say whatever they want but 9 years ago when kpop was still super niche it wasnt some second gen group I discovered first, it was bts, and it was via their social media content when other groups back then weren’t active on socials to the same degree as bts… so yeah no
ong i know armys can get annoying with the whole bts paved the way thing (me included, love that for us :b) but you don't really have to be the brightest to understand why bts, in fact, paved the way
BTS antis don't want to admit BTS paved the way bc they're in denial about how impactful and huge they are. they hate BTS so the idea that BTS accomplish so many amazing things is hard for them. so they pretend other groups did it instead. not that older groups didn't also make an impact, its just not anywhere near the impact BTS made.
the way i see it, 2nd gen built the road and bts built the door and make the key to mainstream global success, allowing others after them to easily walk through that door, with no major problems and be taken seriously by brand new audiences even with 2nd gens major contributions, it still was not easy for kpop acts to get mainstream or even on global charts like billboard 200, let alone billboard 100, thats why ppl say bts paved the way, im not disregarding 2nd gens contributions, ik what they brought in for kpop and it was big but we cant ignore what bts has done for gens after them
Omg 1000% agree about the penny store AI narration 😂 Even if I were interested in the topic (I'm not, it's played out and clout chasing topic for these ppl at this point) I would never in a million years sit thru that on my own. But your relatably frustrated commentary was worth it 😂
im glad you didn't watch this fully lmao this conversation gets so annoying because no army is saying that they did anything first, we just constantly have to mention that bts paved the way because kpop stans love to completely deny that statement as a whole
I’m so sick of the BB Fandom, they have been a thorn in our side since debut, slandering BTS and ARMYs, Death Threats, disrespecting BTS and their Achievements, Boracity needs to sort them out
Agreed that the AI sucked and good for you stepping away. And good that you posted anyways, so no one will ask you to react, thinking you haven't yet. ✌🏼
The First sentence of Boracity explained everything and this one Tried to use the same for the oposite just to confirm not only BTS paved the Way but the rest of K-pop and K-pop stans like This Lady lack of creativity 100%
They are so funny tbh like they will die on this hill but still no evidence, no receipts just delusion. Just take L and go listen to your faves cause they need it. The energy they spent on making shit up, complaining instead of supporting the artist and showing up for them is astonishing. Can't relate cause I'm vibing in this boravill 💜
03:20 I try not to be too much of a stickler about mixing metaphors, but this one really bothers me. You can’t talk about paving the way being like clearing a path through a forest and then say the earlier generations were like seeds. That implies that they actually made the path harder by increasing the foliage. Instead, you could say they each set down stepping stones.
The only video I was interested in on this subject was made by Bora. I ain't bothering with no one else's, lol. th-cam.com/video/nqRZVvTE35E/w-d-xo.html
There are a lot of new ARMY that do indeed disregard 2nd gen. I encounter them in comments saying BTS were the first to ____, and when I say that "This other group did it first. BTS got more recognition because they did it better/ at a time when people were paying more attention, but the idea wasn't BTS'. BTS wouldn't want us disrespecting their elders." ooh, do they get salty. Get used to being corrected when you're wrong, people. Accept it, learn from it, and move on better educated. It doesn't take anything away from BTS to acknowledge that people did work before them.
But they didn't !!!! Being first for something and then getting failed cannot mean you did it , you failed to do it lol. They made first english album , they collaborated with western artist, they promoted in west and failed to go mainstream !!! No one beside BTS paved the way. Even psy acknowledges that , who also tried to do it, but he also wasn't successful.
See?@@utkarsharohit4928 missed the point, and mainstream wasn't what I was talking about, but here is an example on your point: Wonder Girls didn't go mainstream in the US, but they got on late night shows, toured with American artists and that opened some American eyes to KPop, priming some more people to pay attention by the time BTS came along. Were they responsible for anyone else's success? No. Did things go the way they intended? No. But did they help a little? Yeah. It doesn't take anything from BTS to acknowledge that. They didn't break down the barriers but they made some cracks. Had they truly failed, networks that had them on in the US would have been even more reluctant about BTS, wouldn't have shown any interest even if BTS sold well, etc. Without 2nd gen idols going first, for BTS' team and others to learn some things from, it would have been even harder for BTS to break through. And without 1st gen, we wouldn't have anyone that came after. Each generation builds something on the previous. It hurts no one to respect that.
@@nebulablue2096 how can wonder girls help when they couldn't help themselves?? to stay relevant in American industry ?? u r so stupid omg.... the only artist close to bts is psy... nd these are psy's words : BTS achieved Gangnam styles failed dream... he said it he couldn't do it with gangnam style, when we all know gs was the biggest hit that time. but he couldn't continue the success, nd he himself said it, if you don't know wonder girls too said the same thing, when some lazy kpop reporter gave bts success's credit to wonder girls saying they made it easier for bts , one of them clearly said : NO IT WAS BTS !! the actual artist that tried branching in us before bts has openly said bts did what we couldn't !! they all tried but failed, nd it's not an insult.. it's a fact. if you cannot make yourself successful artist, how can you pave the way for others??
@ I think you’re the one missing the point. You’re also assuming a lot of things, like “networks would have been more reluctant about BTS” without WG being on TV a couple times 😆 Unless you have sources for this, it’s pure speculation on your behalf.
@gray_7 not just them, but others as well. If KPop acts didn't do ok, others wouldn't be received well either. It's not rocket science to figure that out.
I admit, I feel there are a lot better videos out there to react to about BTS than what you are choosing right now🤷🏻♀️, but that's just my personal oppinion. I assumed you just try to find short videos cause you have no time. Otherwise, there are Run BTS episodes, Run Jin, interviews, many songs you didn't listen. Maybe it's just my personal taste because you keep posting the "dubbed stuff" that I don't care about. But if the other viewers like that it's cool. Don't take it in a bad way, I like your vibe and I watched you for a while now, just giving my personal (and obviously subjective) oppinion.
2nd Gen stans are so annoying I’m so tired of this debate it happens every week 😭😭
I mostly like 2nd gen but I ate the Stan’s so much bruh
More like every day. It gets old so fast😮💨
The funny thing is, no one claim 2nd gen didn’t do anything, but our claim is that BTS made kpop international, and revelant in western market, they were able to bust through the market and stay there opening the doors wider for other Kpop groups. Other groups were able to come in the same market but fail to open for the next generation or their generation.
In another words the generation before bts opened the door, but bts crossed
@@anamower478 no , you still don't get it 😭
@@anamower478 2nd Gen or whoever closed the door behind them when they came back through (because they DIDN"T stay RELEVANT), locked it and threw away the key.... BTS knocked that mug off the hinges and said Honey, we're home. Mi casa and all that. Say thank you BTS
The ridiculous fighting right now is because people aren't clarifying to where the bands paved the way. 2nd Gen, more specifically BB, is a legendary group who has been popular and successful for many years and still is today. They helped keep the industry going and they are very popular in the Asian markets, but not so much in the west. However, BTS paved the way to the west. BTS isn't the first group to perform in the west, but those first groups did nothing to make it easier for the next gen Asian artist. BTS is the group that blew the doors open with their appeal and unparalleled global success. This led western entertainment industry to be more accepting of other Asian musical artists. To deny that fact is just stubborn ignorance. Saying BTS paved the way does not diminish BB's accomplishments.
Damn u cold 😂 "this channel's dead"
The fact that she confirmed BTS paved the way in the first minute says everything. It's just another dumb reason for fandoms to argue
KPOP stans main argument against the statement (fact) that BTS paved the way is that BTS would not have become idols/chosen music if it hadn't been for 2nd generation (since the boys' have named certain groups as their inspiration, especially during their rookie years) but truth to be told 99% of times BTS have credited black hip-hop artists as their main musical inspiration, but KPOP stans completely ignore this. If inspiring an artist to pursue a career in a field meant "paving the way" then the credit goes to black artists. Idol BTS may have looked up to or taken notes from other kpop groups, but artist BTS were always inspired by a very wide spectrum of artists, especially hip-hop artists.
I think a lot of 2nd generation fans thought of 2nd generation as the peak of kpop in terms of popularity, artistry and chart success but were slapped in the face by the 3rd generation, especially BTS. You'd think the same humbling would happen to 3rd generation fans and idols when 4th gen started but 4th gen is struggling to this day to get out of 3rd gen's shadows, especially BTS while 5th gen has already started. All throughout this, BTS has remained constant and relevant, the talk of the town in their home market, in the foreign market, in their fan's minds, haters' minds, skeptic's minds, as a group, as soloists they have dominated charts (mostly ONLY BTS members have been seen charting, rarely any kpop group). They have remained the biggest money makers and the face of an entire industry and country during hiatus. Now THAT is paving the way.
Bts paved the way for kpop that's obvious Anyone who doesn't accept it is stupid and jealous.
The funny part is all army are very well aware of what paving the way means because joon told us what it means to him. She is right about that praveing the way breaking down walls for other groups to do what they have done easier no one ever said that second gen didn't do something but the truth 2nd gen didn't make as big as impact long lasting impact as BTS do. Big bang is important on their own if only because they inspired a generation listen without Big bang there would be no BTS nobody disputes that show the argument is null
This is how I see it ... BigBang, WonderGirls, GirlsGeneration, Psy, 2NE1 & whoever else that is 2nd-gen might have helped pave the way, but just like what the A.I. hinted at, the 2nd-gen began by cutting some of the bushes & grass out in the forest, with machetes perhaps, to make a little dirt path. No one is denying that, even Boracity said that in one of her videos. However, what BTS used to PAVE the way in this current era of KPop was with a giant steamroller, along with gravel trucks, tons of asphalt & a big construction crew. 😃 People may not realize it, but BTS paved the way back to the origin of KPop, which is the United States. KPop has come back full circle to its home, the US, in a big way thanks to these 7 guys & BigHit/Hybe. It is also so weird & odd that some people are saying that BTS are getting too westernized, yet these people/fans/critics/haters are totally forgetting that KPop is a western music concept in the first place. There is nothing naturally & inherently Korean about KPop, even including a ton of the non-KPop indie & other music in Korea. If you want KPop and/or BTS music not to be westernized, then one thing KPop can do is totally remove the 12TET musical scale in all of KPops songs, both today & in the future. That could help take half the chunk out of it being western. Then next, only use Korean traditional music scales & music genres/styles, like pansori & gugak. Thus after that, KPop will be no more pop music, no more ballads, no more R&B, rock, hiphop, EDM, western classical, jazzy, etc. No you cannot use Trot music either, because that too came from the US. Ok, so good, after removing all that, now it is not western anymore, but guess what, who beyond Korea is going to listen to it now? People forget that most of the whole world is westernized, that is one reason KPop is palatable to the world. Let us not also forget the Kim Sisters, who they too became popular playing western music back in the 1950s-1960s. KPop is part of the butterfly effect of the past 150 years of western music & other western inventions/concepts (i.e. electronics) having gotten introduced & adopted by Korea. Also take a look at South Koreas national anthem, the musical part composed back in the 1930s, as that too is western-style music.
01/06/25 - happy new year
This whole conversation about who really paved the way is turning annoying. Just like Boracity magazine said in her video Nobody is discrediting the job of the previous generations, but they didn't make it easier for others to walk through the Western industry.
Using the same example about someone walking through the forest for the first time. Yes, the people who walk through the forest for the first time are going to go through the branches, rough roads, dirty paths, and all of that. Even then, that doesn't mean they made a road because they left no clear maps or markings to guide those coming behind them. Roads are created when people start using those routes, looking for ways to make them easier, less rough, less time-consuming. Just because you entered the forest doesn't mean you created a road, the forest has so many other entries and the one that becomes a road is the one that is easier to navigate.
The second-gen ventured themselves into the western forest, they faced challenges and left when things didn't work out, but they didn't leave a smudge of a path to follow. It wasn’t until BTS came up and also ventured into the western forest that they brought up the machetes and axes and created a clear path that others could follow. I have zero doubt that BTS got inspired by the second-gen (they have said it themselves) but let's not forget that their history in the music industry is an anomaly. They got Western attention by accident, and from there, they saw an opportunity and took it. They didn't venture into the forest with the same amount of resources and promotions, they were invited into the forest because they had a huge amount of fans voting for them, and a huge portion of those fans happened to be from Western countries, promoting them.
BTS was the exception to the rule. Back then, the rule was: if you managed to debut under one of the biggest three labels, your success was almost guaranteed. Only those coming from YG, JPG, and SM were afforded the luxury of going to the States to promote their new music, appearing in certain shows, having prime time slots, and inside the K-pop world, participating in the big award ceremonies and getting those accolades.
BTS came from a nearly bankrupt label, they had no way to promote their music in big shows, prime time slots, or win major awards. They literally had to look for a different route that was not yet explored back then (social media and blogging) and from there, reaching milestones to set precedents for those behind them. Trying to compare their trajectory in the music industry with the rest of the K-pop acts at the moment is a false equivalence because the conditions were different, the variables were different and the results were different too.
I just don't get why it is so hard to understand. Nobody is discrediting the first and second gen work and trajectory, but it's tuning ridiculous at this point.
Exactly - the same reason why calling it “the big 4” is disingenuous because the Big 3 have totally different structure of connections throughout the media and Hybe are outsiders starting from scratch.
What AI homegirl fails to recognize is that those 2nd gen groups may have carved a footpath for themselves, but after they failed to gain a foothold and they returned home, the path grew over. It became impassable for anyone else.
The message they brought back home was that the west was something kpop could never truly crack. It discouraged anyone from ever trying and they stayed happily in their larger Asian markets.
BTS went out there, secured a foothold, and *brought back interest to their home country from western audiences.*
They made the rest of the world actually care to see what else Korea had and paved that little overgrown footpath with gold.
A little, nobody group did that. Others had social media they could have used. They could have had the same work ethic and self-production focus. But they didn't. Again, they were comfortable with their at-home payola system and letting others do the music writing for them.
You can't pick a local road and then complain it didn't take you global.
*Also, a whole kpop group selling out arenas in the U.S. is cute. Call me when you're selling out stadiums.
This. 100% agree. That's what I've been saying to others as well. Yeah, they probably did it first but they certainly didn't made it easier for the groups that followed them. They made it easier for themselves but not to other groups. Like after BTS got recognition & won, how many award shows added a Kpop category? Like rn, we're seeing a lot more groups after BTS shine outside Kpop & gets recognition. They got more ppl listen to Kpop.
they can say whatever they want but 9 years ago when kpop was still super niche it wasnt some second gen group I discovered first, it was bts, and it was via their social media content when other groups back then weren’t active on socials to the same degree as bts… so yeah no
ong i know armys can get annoying with the whole bts paved the way thing (me included, love that for us :b) but you don't really have to be the brightest to understand why bts, in fact, paved the way
BTS antis don't want to admit BTS paved the way bc they're in denial about how impactful and huge they are. they hate BTS so the idea that BTS accomplish so many amazing things is hard for them. so they pretend other groups did it instead. not that older groups didn't also make an impact, its just not anywhere near the impact BTS made.
the way i see it, 2nd gen built the road and bts built the door and make the key to mainstream global success, allowing others after them to easily walk through that door, with no major problems and be taken seriously by brand new audiences even with 2nd gens major contributions, it still was not easy for kpop acts to get mainstream or even on global charts like billboard 200, let alone billboard 100, thats why ppl say bts paved the way, im not disregarding 2nd gens contributions, ik what they brought in for kpop and it was big but we cant ignore what bts has done for gens after them
Omg 1000% agree about the penny store AI narration 😂 Even if I were interested in the topic (I'm not, it's played out and clout chasing topic for these ppl at this point) I would never in a million years sit thru that on my own. But your relatably frustrated commentary was worth it 😂
Pffft 😂. 2nd Gen stans are soo funny bruh ! They always struggle to face reality .
im glad you didn't watch this fully lmao this conversation gets so annoying because no army is saying that they did anything first, we just constantly have to mention that bts paved the way because kpop stans love to completely deny that statement as a whole
The way you don’t even finish the video 😂😂😂👏👏
I’m so sick of the BB Fandom, they have been a thorn in our side since debut, slandering BTS and ARMYs, Death Threats, disrespecting BTS and their Achievements, Boracity needs to sort them out
"'Erase', is there a ZED (🇬🇧) in that word?!?" 😏
😂😂😂 my language is an amalgamation at this point. 🤷🏾♂️
love it when you keep it 100.
Agreed that the AI sucked and good for you stepping away.
And good that you posted anyways, so no one will ask you to react, thinking you haven't yet.
✌🏼
Like when did we ever say that 2nd gen didn't do anything ?!
The First sentence of Boracity explained everything and this one Tried to use the same for the oposite just to confirm not only BTS paved the Way but the rest of K-pop and K-pop stans like This Lady lack of creativity 100%
They are so funny tbh like they will die on this hill but still no evidence, no receipts just delusion. Just take L and go listen to your faves cause they need it. The energy they spent on making shit up, complaining instead of supporting the artist and showing up for them is astonishing. Can't relate cause I'm vibing in this boravill 💜
03:20 I try not to be too much of a stickler about mixing metaphors, but this one really bothers me. You can’t talk about paving the way being like clearing a path through a forest and then say the earlier generations were like seeds. That implies that they actually made the path harder by increasing the foliage. Instead, you could say they each set down stepping stones.
Hope you watch some more Boracity videos if you like these kind of videos
he actually watched most of her videos, just search for them on his channel😺
the AI channels have been growing. I select "Don't recommend channel" whenever I can
Hi Jurn!
Arguments as good as the AI voice...
The only video I was interested in on this subject was made by Bora. I ain't bothering with no one else's, lol. th-cam.com/video/nqRZVvTE35E/w-d-xo.html
🤣😘💜🫰🏻🫶🏻
😂😂😂😂😂
I hate these voices, not so bad for short form videos but for anything longer I can’t
There are a lot of new ARMY that do indeed disregard 2nd gen. I encounter them in comments saying BTS were the first to ____, and when I say that "This other group did it first. BTS got more recognition because they did it better/ at a time when people were paying more attention, but the idea wasn't BTS'. BTS wouldn't want us disrespecting their elders." ooh, do they get salty. Get used to being corrected when you're wrong, people. Accept it, learn from it, and move on better educated. It doesn't take anything away from BTS to acknowledge that people did work before them.
But they didn't !!!! Being first for something and then getting failed cannot mean you did it , you failed to do it lol. They made first english album , they collaborated with western artist, they promoted in west and failed to go mainstream !!! No one beside BTS paved the way. Even psy acknowledges that , who also tried to do it, but he also wasn't successful.
See?@@utkarsharohit4928 missed the point, and mainstream wasn't what I was talking about, but here is an example on your point: Wonder Girls didn't go mainstream in the US, but they got on late night shows, toured with American artists and that opened some American eyes to KPop, priming some more people to pay attention by the time BTS came along. Were they responsible for anyone else's success? No. Did things go the way they intended? No. But did they help a little? Yeah. It doesn't take anything from BTS to acknowledge that. They didn't break down the barriers but they made some cracks. Had they truly failed, networks that had them on in the US would have been even more reluctant about BTS, wouldn't have shown any interest even if BTS sold well, etc. Without 2nd gen idols going first, for BTS' team and others to learn some things from, it would have been even harder for BTS to break through. And without 1st gen, we wouldn't have anyone that came after. Each generation builds something on the previous. It hurts no one to respect that.
@@nebulablue2096 how can wonder girls help when they couldn't help themselves?? to stay relevant in American industry ?? u r so stupid omg.... the only artist close to bts is psy... nd these are psy's words : BTS achieved Gangnam styles failed dream... he said it he couldn't do it with gangnam style, when we all know gs was the biggest hit that time. but he couldn't continue the success, nd he himself said it, if you don't know wonder girls too said the same thing, when some lazy kpop reporter gave bts success's credit to wonder girls saying they made it easier for bts , one of them clearly said : NO IT WAS BTS !! the actual artist that tried branching in us before bts has openly said bts did what we couldn't !! they all tried but failed, nd it's not an insult.. it's a fact. if you cannot make yourself successful artist, how can you pave the way for others??
@ I think you’re the one missing the point. You’re also assuming a lot of things, like “networks would have been more reluctant about BTS” without WG being on TV a couple times 😆 Unless you have sources for this, it’s pure speculation on your behalf.
@gray_7 not just them, but others as well. If KPop acts didn't do ok, others wouldn't be received well either. It's not rocket science to figure that out.
I admit, I feel there are a lot better videos out there to react to about BTS than what you are choosing right now🤷🏻♀️, but that's just my personal oppinion.
I assumed you just try to find short videos cause you have no time.
Otherwise, there are Run BTS episodes, Run Jin, interviews, many songs you didn't listen.
Maybe it's just my personal taste because you keep posting the "dubbed stuff" that I don't care about. But if the other viewers like that it's cool.
Don't take it in a bad way, I like your vibe and I watched you for a while now, just giving my personal (and obviously subjective) oppinion.
Limited time as I said in my video. I will get to those other videos after my show and I return home.