I guess Pachy got "put in its rightful place where it can't just trash a Carno by facing it" and instead it is now a chicken nugget on legs that can't even turn around to do a ram and in situation where a tapped ram is your only option you're completely fucked because you get stunned and deal no damage. Thank you Islecord, very awesome! It was indeed very ridiculous and overpowered that Pachy was a dinosaur that can't just be face tanked to death for one patch.
So if you hit a Carno with a Pachy and it doesn't get any fracture it's just gonna run you down and kill you because you can't stun it again for the next lifetime and you can't turn fast enough to even attempt to ram it again, and if you do a tapped ram you're getting stuned yourself and the Carno doesn't even take damage or fracture. Meanwhile the Carno is zooming around like a ballerina, instantly turning in place and reaching full speed in one second. Good changes.
Well, it isn’t exactly like you described hehe. The main change now I’d say is that as a single pachy you can’t bully a carno anymore, and also 2 pachys need to be careful. I enjoy playing pachy but before the update it was honestly a bit non sense
no guys, pachy and teno are in a good spot right now, you see carno SHOULD be able to face tank them because its heavier AND it has horns and looks cool B). not to mention a tail slam or rock solid head ramming at you shouldnt be able to kill or hurt a carno badly because herbies are supposed to eat grass and die. get educated
If you get bit once as a pachy you're fucked. Even if you get the legbreak afterwards. If you run into the forest the carno will literally fucking endurance hunt you with it's very cool and fair and interactive tracking system that herbivores can't even have a watered down version of. God forbid if there is more than 1 carno (Which there always is). As for teno I think it could be viable if it's kick hitbox wasn't fucked. But even then, against 2 carnos teno just straight up doesn't have the stamina to kill 1 then injure the other. And if you go into the forest you will juts get tracked down and killed anyways because ballerina carno go brrrrr. Thank you Islecord.😃
@@viewerbeware3795 it's hitbox is broken so bad you have to hit the carno with your knees. And even then there is no way you get that many headshots off, nor would any competent carno pair let their teammate get wailed on like that.
@@the-radio-robot7731 Don’t need to. All I have to do is Tailslam the head (a good enough teno can easily predict when to do this) to stun them, kick their head, and immediately claw them, so the bleed will do all the rest. That’s easily more than 1/5 of their HP gone. A competent enough Teno can easily do this. Also, the hitbox problems.. I’d rather these be fixed than revert the changes to teno.
@@viewerbeware3795 You'll never get 5 kicks on a good Carno, even if you manage to hit it with 1 kick that's already a bad Carno because of how fucking terrible the hitbox is.
It's stuff like this that sometimes really makes me wonder if the devs even play their own game. If they did, then they'd KNOW that Carnotaurus had no reason to be overtuned to shite; You just had to not be braindead to kill something with it, but now I guess it's actually VIABLE to be braindead. Pachys and Tenontos are now irrelevant and useless against the Carno. Way to go, Islecord, you effed it up for everyone.
It's mostly because of those dumbasses and bad players in the isle discord that wants this and keeps pushing the agenda and whining and now we got it. Fuck those guys they don't represent atleast the majority of isle players. Maybe I'm being to nice into thinking alot of the isle players can play the game well but still.
i cant even play the game because i dont use wasd and if i try to bind the arrowkeys, well lets just say its a mess, these devs couldnt even get a website done without outside help
devs keep fuckin around with the current dinos stats, damn just choose a fuck stat and leave them be. tenos were extremely fun to hunt when they were strong and I enjoyed being scared of evil pachies breaking ankles. game ain't gonna progress if they keep doing this shit
Yeah it's fun to have a hard time hunting something. Then you have to actually ambush and play smart and fear to die... now it's to appeal to that 11 year olds that can't stand not being able to kill everything in their path and be the ,,big bad dino"
Pachy needs its normal stunning capability and it's normal stam and then pachy vs carno might become a matter of skill with the animal, and teno needs its 4 shotting carno ability back because of how many carnos there are
Hello legacy pachy , i had a feeling you would come back soon , i guess a good pachy was fun while it lasted now it gets back to being just walking food :D , these devs i swear
My idea for balancing pachy would be to fix the fracture hitboxes, and extend duration of legbreak. To compensate, things that have their leg broken and are above a certain weight (a little above pachy) would not receive any form of stuns, but would receive only damage and fracture damage, which would let it be the "fracture and run" dinosaur, without outright fiddling with its stats.
I feel like this will get balanced out eventually. Atm it's kind of pointless to a herbi other than stego combatively because carno makes teno and pachy irrelevant. They stand a chance against utahs, but they can't do anything against a carno. There is 0 counter play. Can't run away, can't fight them, can't hide, can't do shit. I feel like once another land carnivore gets added that can compete against carno it won't be as bad, but for real I think tenos and pachys should at least have MASSIVE stamina reductions to their abilities. Carno essentially gets a stun infinitely better than both of them for virtually no resources spent.
@@agalar2621 I mean the Utah would be able to run away from most things. Carnotaurus is a direct predator of them solely because they can outrun them, and even then utahraptors often escape them. Their strength lies in their numbers, because they are capable of killing stegos, which carnos even struggle with. I think introducing another carnivore as direct competition to the carnotaurus would fix a lot of problems. Carnos have something to watch out for, herbivores thereby have an out as most of them should be able to run away from a slower carnivore, there would be less carnos, and utaus can still do everything they already do.
@@manofmemes7315 but why even try to outrun utahs? If a carno crouches next to a hill it can solo entire packs. Carnos hunt utahs, not the other way round. Sure they can kill subs and Juvies, but so can everything else.
Nerf Carno's Stam. No need to be that fast and an endurance hunter. It needs the agility to focus out smaller prey-which is the point of Carno-and the power to keep things from poking it. But the marathon stam has got to go.
I dont understand it, Teno, pachys and carnos we're pretty balanced before Update 4.5. The only Thing that needed a buff was Utah with its health. Utah in Size comparison to pachy is bigger but He weighs less, i think He should weigh more. Like 550 kilogram would be fair. And Stego ofc still needs a Nerf in some way. Id Like a Turnradius Nerf, because nerfing anything Else would be nonsense. The only Problem i have with fighting stego is as a Carno, i cant get to His head in time. This is also a Thing when we're Like 6 adult carnos. Its easy with 4+ utahs but carnos Just cant Seem to be quick enough. If it was their Intention to make Carno quicker and leave stego it was a dumb Idea, cuz now Carno can demolish everything Else but still Not a stego cuz Hes onehit and you have to risk about 27 bites and in that time a stego could easily fuck you Up. As a Utah U can simply pounce it as a Pack and If it bucks it loses stamina and it bleeds. If it has No stamina anymore it cant Swing tail anymore so its basically dead. Another Thing a Teno maybe needed a Nerf For was the Turn Radius aswell. If a Carno attacks it, the Teno can Just Turn around and tailslap. Like that Charge attacks never worked before u4.5. And a Charge Attack does Most likely Not even kill you, so you could still Slam it to death because you know where its going. I Just dont understand why they Made the Herbis Run over the whole map For their diets, i dont think the diet system is any fun as a herbivore since Update 4.5.
This is nonsense! Carno was balanced before?? what a joke. Carnos were constantly running away from the dickhead-pachys. If you managed to kill a pachy in 1on1, you got like 5% of your hunger up as 100% carno when eating the whole pachy!! 1 pachy should never be able to kill a carno unless the carno is super bad at playing. a Carno should however think twice before mesing with 2 pachys and he should run when facing 3 pachys. that my opinion.
This is why the isle sucks most times. They keep nerfing things to the extreme level or buffing things out, so much so that it's useless to even try playing them. They need to go back and redo, no joke.
Like here's the thing, I don't mind if a Pachy can't 1v1 a carno, but the problem is if you can't fight them, you should be able to outrun them, or outstam them, or something Pachy SHOULD be played where it fractures the carno, and then can run away, but as it stands, hitting your head ram is hard from the turning nerf, and you only have a 1/3 chance of doing a fracture that enables you to escape, and even then if you both run out of stam, carno can just m1 you cause you're completely reliant on stam for dealing any sort of damage, and god help you if you're bleeding Teno wouldn't be half as bad if his kick hitbox wasn't inside his fucking body Unironically I survived more carno encounters as dryo by running around like a psychopath then either teno or pachy this last patch lol
Teno and Pachy is perfectly fine tbh. Do you honestly suggest, that 1 Pachy can defeat a fullgrown carno in a 1on1?? 2 Pachys can do that still if they just rush into the fight. Also, i got crushed by 1 teno and 1 pachy yesterday because they trapped me. And isntead of complaining that you cant turn around fast enough with the pachy, you should use your ALT-Attack to quickly turn around (like deino).
The alt attack doesn't do anything against a carno. The smarter and better player should win, not the more op one. Small animals should be able to escape into the woods, big animals like carno should struggle finding them there and are so fast they logically are plains animals. Wow... you got killed by 2 herbies as a carno. As you should! Of course you shouldn't win every fight against a herbie let alone 2. If you get ambushed by a pachy if it was stronger that is your fault for not seeing it. Even then pachy wasn't able to facetank you. Now carno has no counterplay and can kill almost everything without having to play smart. If you can't outrun and outturn something that is way stronger than you and can't hide it's unbalanced. As easy as that.
Teno literally needs and entire stamina pool to kill a single Carno so 2 Carnos can simply face tank it to death, while Pachy is fucking useless against a good Carno because the Carno can simply dodge all of its headbutts because of the acceleration buffs.
@@bread9905 the Pachy in the Video (min 6+) could have run away a lot of times. Instead he tried to kill the carno. Then he had no stam. You can run away from a Carno as long as you want. The problem is, that most Evrima players play it like a deatchmatch game and not like a dino survival game. I think balance is much better now than before. - I remeber times where 2 or 3 pachys gto together just to hunt down every carno on the map. Thats not the case anymore. And that is good so.
@@josefkorntheuer4213 if a pachy gets to you in the old balance that is mostly your fault as you are way faster. While I don't agree with pachy hunting things, it shouldn't loose so easily. If a pachy is spot in the plains it will be hard for it to get a fracture in and then escape to the woods and actually hide, because of blood and bad stam. Carnos can literally assride pachys and if there is more than one carno (wich is almost always the case) then you don't have a single chance other than a rock to escape anyways. I personally think it's more fun for both herbivores and carnivores if it's hard to hunt down and kill prey and you have to use tactics such as ambushing. Maybe a carno in real life would be able to do all this, but it's not fun, not even for most carno players I heard from. (Sorry for this long text btw haha)
@@bread9905 this is more a matter of playstile than balancing. pre-ptach there were pachy herds all over the whole island. now there are less pachy players to coop or group. thats a thing, i agree. Pachys are designed to be in herds to have protection. Thats not so easy anymore than before because the plants have been spread. I believe everything will come to normal again. If you play pachy alone it is clear that you dont have much of a chance if you run into a carno alone.
and at Minute 6:00 (fight in the jungle) - The Pachy could have destroyed the Carno if he wouldnt have played that dumb. The problem is you guys play likee you have nothing to loose. You jsut start again with a 100% dino.
Yes we are trying to have fun but yes it's still telling of balance. The rest of the video proved why trying to fight the Carno is a bad idea and he was barely able to run away which was his only and best option. In an attempt to do more damage he only worsened his situation. Pachy bad lol
carno consumes stamina a lot now (after the patch), so it can't chase its prey for too long, giving you a chance to hide in forest, get on the rock etc. Carno is Top terrestrial carnivore so pachys should outnumber the carnos if they want to win with them. It's silly to think 1v1 or 2v2 should work just fine for pachys. Carno is 3 times bigger after all.
devs are always f***** s** up when it comes to updates !!! dev logic nerk pachy & make Carno stronger like why ??? i agree with the teno nerf cause t hey were annoying but pachy ??? also a solid Utah pack suffers against a single carno now !!!!
Damn, wish I was recording. I fought 3 Pachys killed 2, the last one got both a head fracture and leg fracture. I still ran it down. Only lost less than 25% of health
A lot of the problems I see that stem from this update is less from the balance, and more from the actual technicality’s of the code itself. That Pachy clip where you were ramming the Carno was proof of that. Your fractures wouldn’t even register even though personally, those rams should’ve landed, which means there’s an issue with the code, not the balance (which hurr durr for some reason people keep saying something like Teno is useless, even though if you’re a good teno you can actually shred carnos with the kick, since head kicks will 5 shot a carno now). Pachys fracture hitboxes just need to be fixed, and possibly the fracture damage being increased so it’s basically an instant fracture. You’ll at least be able to Get away at that point. Tenos tailslam just needs to consume less stamina and become more of a utility weapon so you can chain it with the kicks.
Agreed, apart from the fact that if you increase pachy’s damage and make its hit an instant fracture it basically becomes by far the strongest playable, which would be non sense. Things need to be fixed for pachy, but I think many people are biased because of the pre-update almighty pachy, which honestly was non sense
Bro shut yo mouth, dinosaurs should not be completely unplayable if you're not a God at the game, all herbivores other than steg are severely underpowered rn. And yes teno "can" 5 shot a carno. But the circumstances to make that happen are just so ludicrous it's basically impossible to do. You have to stun the carno in such a way that your are derectly over its head, and then youre only able to get 3-4 hits on it. After that the carno will either run away, or just easily charge you because of how broken Teno's hitbox is right now. And even if you do somehow pull it off, you've already lost half of your stamina pool so there is zero chance you can fight anything else.
@@gat-x105strikegundam5 lol. Just think that as a carno you have to ram , stun and bite a teno, and to bite it you have to be on top of it for some seconds. And you also need more than 10 bites realistically to kill it (not all bites are going to deliver the full 175 damage). Also, every time you need to bite you’re at risk of being stunned and if you run away you are very likely to finish your stamina (which is quite low), get followed and killed. So what’s your point exactly? That as teno you should be able to kill a carno with minimum risk? Because reading your message it seems so. Additionally carno charge doesn’t work anymore if it hits the tail of the teno (correctly i think), and teno tail slam does not seem to stun you anymore if it falls a couple of metres away from you (correctly again I think). On your last point, also a carno would probably consume even more than half of its stamina to fight a teno, so? As you can see there are risks on both sides as you’d expect , so I don’t really see your point
@HBweisse that is not at all my argument. I don't want teno to be overpowered at all. And as for your first point, killing a teno as carno is one of the easiest fights in the game. All you have to do is ram it which barely uses any stamina if you actually know how to play the game, and then turn around and bite it a few times until it gets back up, then run away get stamina and repeat. There is practically no risk, because teno doesn't even do that much damage with its tail slam anymore. It takes nearly an entire stamina pool just to kill one carno, meanwhile a carnos stam regen is insanely fast, its agility is almost that of a utahs with the new buffs being able to reach its full speed in under 2 seconds, and being able to turn on a dime while barely losing any momentum. AND you can just hide in a bush or the forest or something because herbivores cannot track at all. I really do not see what you're talking about as carnos are undoubtedly INSANELY overpowered right now and herbis are severely underpowered for the most part. Dont even get me started on how bad pachy is right now. If a pachy is trying to attack a carno, unless it gets a super lucky leg or head fracture on the first hit, the pachy has zero chance of making it out alive...
Carno is way more fun now , teno and pachy was OP before , I never killed a pachy as carno before , now I always kill them, carno isn’t OP it’s just balance
I guess Pachy got "put in its rightful place where it can't just trash a Carno by facing it" and instead it is now a chicken nugget on legs that can't even turn around to do a ram and in situation where a tapped ram is your only option you're completely fucked because you get stunned and deal no damage. Thank you Islecord, very awesome! It was indeed very ridiculous and overpowered that Pachy was a dinosaur that can't just be face tanked to death for one patch.
Devs: let me just balance all the Dinos in the game.
*breaks game again*
So if you hit a Carno with a Pachy and it doesn't get any fracture it's just gonna run you down and kill you because you can't stun it again for the next lifetime and you can't turn fast enough to even attempt to ram it again, and if you do a tapped ram you're getting stuned yourself and the Carno doesn't even take damage or fracture. Meanwhile the Carno is zooming around like a ballerina, instantly turning in place and reaching full speed in one second. Good changes.
This is why you should't lisen to the comunaty to balance stuff
Well, it isn’t exactly like you described hehe. The main change now I’d say is that as a single pachy you can’t bully a carno anymore, and also 2 pachys need to be careful. I enjoy playing pachy but before the update it was honestly a bit non sense
Pachy v carno is very winnable for pachy. Get gud
no guys, pachy and teno are in a good spot right now, you see carno SHOULD be able to face tank them because its heavier AND it has horns and looks cool B). not to mention a tail slam or rock solid head ramming at you shouldnt be able to kill or hurt a carno badly because herbies are supposed to eat grass and die. get educated
Your being sarcastic right?
@@africananimalogist4190 hes joking
A bull also eats grass and cannot kill a wolf, yes
If you get bit once as a pachy you're fucked. Even if you get the legbreak afterwards. If you run into the forest the carno will literally fucking endurance hunt you with it's very cool and fair and interactive tracking system that herbivores can't even have a watered down version of. God forbid if there is more than 1 carno (Which there always is).
As for teno I think it could be viable if it's kick hitbox wasn't fucked. But even then, against 2 carnos teno just straight up doesn't have the stamina to kill 1 then injure the other. And if you go into the forest you will juts get tracked down and killed anyways because ballerina carno go brrrrr.
Thank you Islecord.😃
Tenonto needs an entire stamina bar to kill a Carno, the tail slam damage is that bad.
@@karenboy1005 tenontos kick legit 5 shots a carno to the head lol
@@viewerbeware3795 it's hitbox is broken so bad you have to hit the carno with your knees. And even then there is no way you get that many headshots off, nor would any competent carno pair let their teammate get wailed on like that.
@@the-radio-robot7731 Don’t need to. All I have to do is Tailslam the head (a good enough teno can easily predict when to do this) to stun them, kick their head, and immediately claw them, so the bleed will do all the rest. That’s easily more than 1/5 of their HP gone. A competent enough Teno can easily do this. Also, the hitbox problems.. I’d rather these be fixed than revert the changes to teno.
@@viewerbeware3795 You'll never get 5 kicks on a good Carno, even if you manage to hit it with 1 kick that's already a bad Carno because of how fucking terrible the hitbox is.
It's stuff like this that sometimes really makes me wonder if the devs even play their own game. If they did, then they'd KNOW that Carnotaurus had no reason to be overtuned to shite; You just had to not be braindead to kill something with it, but now I guess it's actually VIABLE to be braindead. Pachys and Tenontos are now irrelevant and useless against the Carno. Way to go, Islecord, you effed it up for everyone.
It's mostly because of those dumbasses and bad players in the isle discord that wants this and keeps pushing the agenda and whining and now we got it. Fuck those guys they don't represent atleast the majority of isle players. Maybe I'm being to nice into thinking alot of the isle players can play the game well but still.
keep crying
i cant even play the game because i dont use wasd and if i try to bind the arrowkeys, well lets just say its a mess, these devs couldnt even get a website done without outside help
When the crowd control animal can't deal with multiple targets.
If i fight a herbivore and take damage it needs to be nerfed to the point where its as easy to kill as an ai
Nice sarcasm
devs keep fuckin around with the current dinos stats, damn just choose a fuck stat and leave them be. tenos were extremely fun to hunt when they were strong and I enjoyed being scared of evil pachies breaking ankles. game ain't gonna progress if they keep doing this shit
Yeah it's fun to have a hard time hunting something. Then you have to actually ambush and play smart and fear to die... now it's to appeal to that 11 year olds that can't stand not being able to kill everything in their path and be the ,,big bad dino"
Is this what carno players wanted? for the fun to be ruined for others that dont play carno :(
I'm genuinely convinced at that point that the developers don't play their game at all :T
Pachy needs its normal stunning capability and it's normal stam and then pachy vs carno might become a matter of skill with the animal, and teno needs its 4 shotting carno ability back because of how many carnos there are
I can live with that. Giving pachy more stam ist totally fine. The rest - it is fine as it is now.
@@josefkorntheuer4213 not at all wth you talking about, carnos are taking over
I swear I'm not blind, my ingame brightness is just really low fsr so I couldn't see him
Hello legacy pachy , i had a feeling you would come back soon , i guess a good pachy was fun while it lasted now it gets back to being just walking food :D , these devs i swear
totally inaccurate. in real life there would be 8 adult carnos doing that to 1 teno. smh get it right next time
also yep. it came true 4:11
oh man, cant wait for you to see what happens when Tenos out number the Carnos XD
carno did not need the buff.
jesus islecord is gonna ruin this game the devs are listening to these players who call other dinos op because they could not facetank it.....
My idea for balancing pachy would be to fix the fracture hitboxes, and extend duration of legbreak. To compensate, things that have their leg broken and are above a certain weight (a little above pachy) would not receive any form of stuns, but would receive only damage and fracture damage, which would let it be the "fracture and run" dinosaur, without outright fiddling with its stats.
this is not balanced, I'm carno main that brainlessly rams everything on my path on EU 3, we are gods now.
I'm the one that never talks btw
and I ram everyone now
btw thanks devs this is so balanced, I enjoy this so much omg
but kav is the carno main
How to unbalance a perfect balanced game with 1 updeit
The isle was never perfectly balanced in the first place
Tenonto and pachy need a buff and carno needs nerf, they keep just making the balance worse with every update
When carno behind you just use alt attack
I feel like this will get balanced out eventually. Atm it's kind of pointless to a herbi other than stego combatively because carno makes teno and pachy irrelevant. They stand a chance against utahs, but they can't do anything against a carno. There is 0 counter play. Can't run away, can't fight them, can't hide, can't do shit. I feel like once another land carnivore gets added that can compete against carno it won't be as bad, but for real I think tenos and pachys should at least have MASSIVE stamina reductions to their abilities. Carno essentially gets a stun infinitely better than both of them for virtually no resources spent.
problem is you break the balance for utah then
@@agalar2621 I mean the Utah would be able to run away from most things. Carnotaurus is a direct predator of them solely because they can outrun them, and even then utahraptors often escape them. Their strength lies in their numbers, because they are capable of killing stegos, which carnos even struggle with. I think introducing another carnivore as direct competition to the carnotaurus would fix a lot of problems. Carnos have something to watch out for, herbivores thereby have an out as most of them should be able to run away from a slower carnivore, there would be less carnos, and utaus can still do everything they already do.
@@liamatte carno can't outrun utahs anymore, utah has 10× better stam than carno
@@manofmemes7315 but why even try to outrun utahs? If a carno crouches next to a hill it can solo entire packs. Carnos hunt utahs, not the other way round. Sure they can kill subs and Juvies, but so can everything else.
@@liamatte why would a utah want to run away from its prey?
1:59 "25%" Mhm yep nice
Nerf Carno's Stam. No need to be that fast and an endurance hunter. It needs the agility to focus out smaller prey-which is the point of Carno-and the power to keep things from poking it.
But the marathon stam has got to go.
It doesn't even have marathon stam anymore, it's stam got nerfed when the patch hit
its just sad seeing one of my favorite dinosaurs being way overpowered, like seriously.
I dont understand it, Teno, pachys and carnos we're pretty balanced before Update 4.5. The only Thing that needed a buff was Utah with its health. Utah in Size comparison to pachy is bigger but He weighs less, i think He should weigh more. Like 550 kilogram would be fair. And Stego ofc still needs a Nerf in some way. Id Like a Turnradius Nerf, because nerfing anything Else would be nonsense. The only Problem i have with fighting stego is as a Carno, i cant get to His head in time. This is also a Thing when we're Like 6 adult carnos. Its easy with 4+ utahs but carnos Just cant Seem to be quick enough. If it was their Intention to make Carno quicker and leave stego it was a dumb Idea, cuz now Carno can demolish everything Else but still Not a stego cuz Hes onehit and you have to risk about 27 bites and in that time a stego could easily fuck you Up. As a Utah U can simply pounce it as a Pack and If it bucks it loses stamina and it bleeds. If it has No stamina anymore it cant Swing tail anymore so its basically dead. Another Thing a Teno maybe needed a Nerf For was the Turn Radius aswell. If a Carno attacks it, the Teno can Just Turn around and tailslap. Like that Charge attacks never worked before u4.5. And a Charge Attack does Most likely Not even kill you, so you could still Slam it to death because you know where its going. I Just dont understand why they Made the Herbis Run over the whole map For their diets, i dont think the diet system is any fun as a herbivore since Update 4.5.
This is nonsense! Carno was balanced before?? what a joke. Carnos were constantly running away from the dickhead-pachys. If you managed to kill a pachy in 1on1, you got like 5% of your hunger up as 100% carno when eating the whole pachy!! 1 pachy should never be able to kill a carno unless the carno is super bad at playing. a Carno should however think twice before mesing with 2 pachys and he should run when facing 3 pachys. that my opinion.
how to get serwer on evrima?
This is why the isle sucks most times. They keep nerfing things to the extreme level or buffing things out, so much so that it's useless to even try playing them. They need to go back and redo, no joke.
Still waiting for that discord server link :pensive:
Like here's the thing, I don't mind if a Pachy can't 1v1 a carno, but the problem is if you can't fight them, you should be able to outrun them, or outstam them, or something
Pachy SHOULD be played where it fractures the carno, and then can run away, but as it stands, hitting your head ram is hard from the turning nerf, and you only have a 1/3 chance of doing a fracture that enables you to escape, and even then if you both run out of stam, carno can just m1 you cause you're completely reliant on stam for dealing any sort of damage, and god help you if you're bleeding
Teno wouldn't be half as bad if his kick hitbox wasn't inside his fucking body
Unironically I survived more carno encounters as dryo by running around like a psychopath then either teno or pachy this last patch lol
Jup, pachy is officially fucked since these balance changes. Teno will for sure be next.
Teno is already fucked, it requires a full stamina bar to kill one Carno
Btw what server do you guys use? Is it your own server or could anyone go there to test things out?
Taco island, and scopes og server. You have to apply for admin
@@kav2538 Is it like actual admin stuff or is it just like a sandbox server with extra steps?
@@the-radio-robot7731 Yea, its not a sandbox, you need admin panel to test. I would recommended on scopes, because taco island has way to many rules
Teno and Pachy is perfectly fine tbh. Do you honestly suggest, that 1 Pachy can defeat a fullgrown carno in a 1on1??
2 Pachys can do that still if they just rush into the fight. Also, i got crushed by 1 teno and 1 pachy yesterday because they trapped me. And isntead of complaining that you cant turn around fast enough with the pachy, you should use your ALT-Attack to quickly turn around (like deino).
The alt attack doesn't do anything against a carno. The smarter and better player should win, not the more op one. Small animals should be able to escape into the woods, big animals like carno should struggle finding them there and are so fast they logically are plains animals.
Wow... you got killed by 2 herbies as a carno. As you should! Of course you shouldn't win every fight against a herbie let alone 2.
If you get ambushed by a pachy if it was stronger that is your fault for not seeing it. Even then pachy wasn't able to facetank you. Now carno has no counterplay and can kill almost everything without having to play smart.
If you can't outrun and outturn something that is way stronger than you and can't hide it's unbalanced. As easy as that.
Teno literally needs and entire stamina pool to kill a single Carno so 2 Carnos can simply face tank it to death, while Pachy is fucking useless against a good Carno because the Carno can simply dodge all of its headbutts because of the acceleration buffs.
@@bread9905 the Pachy in the Video (min 6+) could have run away a lot of times. Instead he tried to kill the carno. Then he had no stam. You can run away from a Carno as long as you want. The problem is, that most Evrima players play it like a deatchmatch game and not like a dino survival game.
I think balance is much better now than before. - I remeber times where 2 or 3 pachys gto together just to hunt down every carno on the map. Thats not the case anymore. And that is good so.
@@josefkorntheuer4213 if a pachy gets to you in the old balance that is mostly your fault as you are way faster. While I don't agree with pachy hunting things, it shouldn't loose so easily. If a pachy is spot in the plains it will be hard for it to get a fracture in and then escape to the woods and actually hide, because of blood and bad stam. Carnos can literally assride pachys and if there is more than one carno (wich is almost always the case) then you don't have a single chance other than a rock to escape anyways.
I personally think it's more fun for both herbivores and carnivores if it's hard to hunt down and kill prey and you have to use tactics such as ambushing. Maybe a carno in real life would be able to do all this, but it's not fun, not even for most carno players I heard from.
(Sorry for this long text btw haha)
@@bread9905 this is more a matter of playstile than balancing. pre-ptach there were pachy herds all over the whole island. now there are less pachy players to coop or group. thats a thing, i agree. Pachys are designed to be in herds to have protection. Thats not so easy anymore than before because the plants have been spread. I believe everything will come to normal again. If you play pachy alone it is clear that you dont have much of a chance if you run into a carno alone.
Can the Alt ram from a pachy stagger the carno in place or is it too big for that?
its too big
and at Minute 6:00 (fight in the jungle) - The Pachy could have destroyed the Carno if he wouldnt have played that dumb. The problem is you guys play likee you have nothing to loose. You jsut start again with a 100% dino.
Yes we are trying to have fun but yes it's still telling of balance. The rest of the video proved why trying to fight the Carno is a bad idea and he was barely able to run away which was his only and best option. In an attempt to do more damage he only worsened his situation. Pachy bad lol
@@shiftyvee So you guys think a pachy should be able to 1v1 a carno?
teno really needs a nerf, that shit is OP
Your joking
Funny
carno consumes stamina a lot now (after the patch), so it can't chase its prey for too long, giving you a chance to hide in forest, get on the rock etc. Carno is Top terrestrial carnivore so pachys should outnumber the carnos if they want to win with them. It's silly to think 1v1 or 2v2 should work just fine for pachys. Carno is 3 times bigger after all.
devs are always f***** s** up when it comes to updates !!! dev logic nerk pachy & make Carno stronger like why ??? i agree with the teno nerf cause t hey were annoying but pachy ??? also a solid Utah pack suffers against a single carno now !!!!
But have you tried a pair of pachys (or tenos) against 1 carno? Normally lone herbis are fucked
I mean obviously a pair of tenos would fuck up a solo carno but herbivores shouldn't be forced into a group just to be relevant
@@the-radio-robot7731 well yeah but i think its a good indentive to be in herd and not alone being herbi
@@bastianriveros1432 2 Pachys get fucking destroyed by a Carno
Damn, wish I was recording. I fought 3 Pachys killed 2, the last one got both a head fracture and leg fracture. I still ran it down. Only lost less than 25% of health
@@the-radio-robot7731 Uhhh, yes they should? That's how the game is played? If you don't like it, pick a dinosaur that is viable solo...
A lot of the problems I see that stem from this update is less from the balance, and more from the actual technicality’s of the code itself. That Pachy clip where you were ramming the Carno was proof of that. Your fractures wouldn’t even register even though personally, those rams should’ve landed, which means there’s an issue with the code, not the balance (which hurr durr for some reason people keep saying something like Teno is useless, even though if you’re a good teno you can actually shred carnos with the kick, since head kicks will 5 shot a carno now).
Pachys fracture hitboxes just need to be fixed, and possibly the fracture damage being increased so it’s basically an instant fracture. You’ll at least be able to Get away at that point.
Tenos tailslam just needs to consume less stamina and become more of a utility weapon so you can chain it with the kicks.
Agreed, apart from the fact that if you increase pachy’s damage and make its hit an instant fracture it basically becomes by far the strongest playable, which would be non sense. Things need to be fixed for pachy, but I think many people are biased because of the pre-update almighty pachy, which honestly was non sense
Bro shut yo mouth, dinosaurs should not be completely unplayable if you're not a God at the game, all herbivores other than steg are severely underpowered rn. And yes teno "can" 5 shot a carno. But the circumstances to make that happen are just so ludicrous it's basically impossible to do. You have to stun the carno in such a way that your are derectly over its head, and then youre only able to get 3-4 hits on it. After that the carno will either run away, or just easily charge you because of how broken Teno's hitbox is right now. And even if you do somehow pull it off, you've already lost half of your stamina pool so there is zero chance you can fight anything else.
@@gat-x105strikegundam5 lol. Just think that as a carno you have to ram , stun and bite a teno, and to bite it you have to be on top of it for some seconds. And you also need more than 10 bites realistically to kill it (not all bites are going to deliver the full 175 damage). Also, every time you need to bite you’re at risk of being stunned and if you run away you are very likely to finish your stamina (which is quite low), get followed and killed. So what’s your point exactly? That as teno you should be able to kill a carno with minimum risk? Because reading your message it seems so. Additionally carno charge doesn’t work anymore if it hits the tail of the teno (correctly i think), and teno tail slam does not seem to stun you anymore if it falls a couple of metres away from you (correctly again I think). On your last point, also a carno would probably consume even more than half of its stamina to fight a teno, so?
As you can see there are risks on both sides as you’d expect , so I don’t really see your point
@HBweisse that is not at all my argument. I don't want teno to be overpowered at all. And as for your first point, killing a teno as carno is one of the easiest fights in the game. All you have to do is ram it which barely uses any stamina if you actually know how to play the game, and then turn around and bite it a few times until it gets back up, then run away get stamina and repeat. There is practically no risk, because teno doesn't even do that much damage with its tail slam anymore. It takes nearly an entire stamina pool just to kill one carno, meanwhile a carnos stam regen is insanely fast, its agility is almost that of a utahs with the new buffs being able to reach its full speed in under 2 seconds, and being able to turn on a dime while barely losing any momentum. AND you can just hide in a bush or the forest or something because herbivores cannot track at all. I really do not see what you're talking about as carnos are undoubtedly INSANELY overpowered right now and herbis are severely underpowered for the most part. Dont even get me started on how bad pachy is right now. If a pachy is trying to attack a carno, unless it gets a super lucky leg or head fracture on the first hit, the pachy has zero chance of making it out alive...
@HBweisse just TRY playing teno right now and tell me that it's easy to fight carnos with.
Clearly a skill issue. Practice pachy more pls B)
Carno is way more fun now , teno and pachy was OP before , I never killed a pachy as carno before , now I always kill them, carno isn’t OP it’s just balance