internet archive is the #1 most important website on the entire internet. there is so much media that's worth checking out and archive makes it so accessible. i literally don't know what i'd do without it, there's so many old video games, tv shows, movies, albums, and books that are so hard to find already as it is. getting rid of the internet archive would be disastrous
If I had my way, the Internet Archive would be a branch of the Library Of Congress and would receive an automatic exemption from any and all copy restrictions
The internet archive must survive. I remember reading about a fire that they had in 2013 and my heart skipped a beat when I saw the headline back then.
@@moe47988you do know that if this goes away sites like Wikipedia will be worse. Researching stuff will be worse Trying to find old articles will be significantly harder. Heck way back machine is perfect for citing source. Since it NEVER changes. Meaning tbat people can always see the sane exact source u did. It's also quite useful for investigating stuff. Since if someone breaks the law you then removes it. You can still find the archive of it. There was that time paypal made a change. People noticed and got mad. Then silently removed it and said it never happened or that people misunderstood. Yet way back machine proved them wrong! Imagine if all the libraries or the world had to burn their BOOKS EVERT SINGLE ONE. That whata happening right now but with the internet. If tbis happens we wil lose history
Do public libraries have to ask publishers' permission to loan books to people? That's what the Internet Archive is doing - it's not SELLING anything - it's just making stuff available to check out, the same as a brick-and-mortar library. I guess the publishers would also be happy to see all of our public libraries closed as well.
The Internet Archive is fundamental the continued development of our culture. When we look back at pre-Information Age society we have letters, journals, books, and more to understand and in some ways interact with the past. What will our posterity have to similarly engage with their past? If not for something like the IA we would leave scant few details of our world for our descendants to see what life was like as we moved into the era of computers and the internet. If we leave nothing for them to understand their past, to see where they came from, how will they understand themselves? We rely on our past to relativistically understand how far we’ve come and what has yet to be accomplished. Copyright is important, it allows a person to own an idea and profit off of it. However, there must be a balance between the pursuit of profit and access to one of humanity’s greatest stores of knowledge and everyday thoughts.
This is an absolutely invaluable resource w for when I have web design clients who’ve lost their old websites or have been hacked and I can recover all of the old content for them, I hope and pray they will survive the lawsuits and be around always! PRICELESS
The Internet Archive is such an important resource. Think of all the movies, books, TV episodes, pamphlets, zines, games, etc, that have been lost to time. So often, those things are lost because the copyright holders have no interest in preserving them and won't do so if given the chance. Can we trust those same copyright holders to not destroy any traces of their properties before the copyright is up? The Internet Archive must be protected and preserved.
Yes, but the library bought and paid for that book, and there are only as many copies as they paid for. (And for libraries it works the same way with ebooks: they have to pay for every single copy they buy, and they can only lend as many copies as they paid for.) The library didn't make a hundred photocopies of the book and made all of those available.
@@Moodboard39 you realize most people arent up to date with stuff on the internet? Both my parents had never heard of internet archive when this piece aired on Sunday Morning
In some ways, this makes me chuckle. I’ve been using the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive for years and years now, probably since it started. CBS Sunday sometimes feels very old-person oriented. As if that demographic had no idea about this and are just being clued into it like it’s a new thing. It is a really interesting thing to explore though. With the constant changes and advances to webpages, you don’t realize just how basic they used to be say in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. The change has happened so slowly and naturally like a pot of water heating up, that it’s easy to forget. Early pages were mostly text, with most having no videos, and not even many photos. Those elements took so long to load back then that they weren’t as ubiquitous as today.
@@kennethteasley7454 Sunday Morning is still the best news segment to ever exist in my opinion. I'm young, yet I still watch it every Sunday. They show actual stories that people care about; its a refreshing break from the normal news cycle.
The fact that the Archive is in jeopardy just from selling some copyrighted books is a travesty of the in-justice system. If the problem is just giving out copyrighted books, then just remove THOSE BOOKS from the archive, or better yet, reimburse the publishers for the amount lost and continue to lease them out at profit to the publishers. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why the ENTIRE ARCHIVE should be in danger of being shut down for this. And any judge that rules against the Archive is guilty of a crime against humanity and should be punished harshly. Losing the Internet Archive would be a greater loss to the human race than the burning of the Library of Alexandria by orders of magnitude. This is an issue that should transcend our laws-ANY attempt to erase this much history should be stopped regardless of what the law says.
@@estusflask982 Yes and in fact, at least in my local library, they only have a limited number of eBooks to "lend out". I guess it's a way for the publishers to control their intellectual property.
It's hard to grasp just how much history and information would be lost if something happened to the internet archive. We're lucky they even had the forethought to do this in the first place.
Good work, CBS! This is important on a deep level. How visionary of Mr. Kahle to embarked on this back in the 90s! We owe librarians the world. (I got an extra boost of happiness when I saw the brief Prince of Persia clip!)
I was working on my political philosophy capstone project (i.e., final-year project) but the work of philosophers, as you may know, are lengthy but inaccessible on the internet. I also browsed the database of my university library, but I still could not find some of the work. In particular, I had to find the translated manuscript of Immanuel Kant for more accurate interpretations of his ideas. Then, I found the Internet Archive. End of story. It is really a lifesaver. Thank you so much, the Internet Archive.
Internet Archive is an invaluable source that I have gone to many times, and contribute to. Material comes and goes, so research what you can, when you can. It's simply the world's largest lending library, just like my favorite libraries here in the Norfolk, Virginia area. It's also marvelous if you are housebound like I and thousands of people are. The world comes to your PC!
When I was a kid I used to check out old time radio shows on audio cassettes and discovered a world that has been the soundtrack of my life. As an adult I’ve been donating what I can afford to the Internet Archive for twenty years, originally out of gratitude for its collection of vintage radio (and tv) programs. The idea that they could be sued out of existence is horrifying to hear. Support them with any donation you can and keep them alive - it is the most valuable library in the world.
There is a lot of rare expensive software from the 80s and early 90s on it, a goldmine, much of it you can’t ever find again as the companies dropped support ages ago and destroyed their archives. I highly suggest everyone with enough storage NAS devices to archive the whole site piece by piece to avoid a potential corporate book burning event
I thought things fell into public domain after a certain number of decades? If that's the case, just backup those books and music and settle to stop the lawsuits to save the rest.
The problem with that is it takes a *very* long time. 70 years after the author dies or 95 after initial publication depending on whether it was published before or after 1978, different rule for different years. By the time that period has ended, will you even still have original copies to be able to scan anymore? Who's going to store the warehouses of books waiting for 70 years (or much more if the author's still alive - it could be well over 150 years if the author published at 20 years old and lives to be 100)? The US itself as a country is only about 250 years old right now; you'd be storing books for half the age of the country just waiting to be able to scan them. And then what's to stop them from saying their web articles are also under the same rule and they can't web archive the nytimes or other news sites until 70 years after the author of the article dies? The web article would very likely be long gone by then.
I'm so hyped to see CBS covering this. The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine are international treasures, no joke. They MUST survive if we have any hope to continue preserving history. Many of the wrinkly old raisins in the government and justice system can't seem to understand that. P.S. Archived this page a minute ago!
@@Vifnisthe library of congress has basically ever book published in modern times. And people van use them. They ofc pay for the books (just like archive ) and can be accessed by anyone (like archive ) Honestly. Archive should be given special legal status and some government funding
@@jimjames2429 author's get the initial copy of the book fee but do not receive anything else when a library loans out there books over and over again. This is exactly what he is doing.
I don’t think that will help. I remember hearing about a TH-camr in Australia being sued by a Japanese company for showing clips from their show, on his TH-cam channel. Unfortunately Japan doesn’t have the same fair use law, like America has. If that can happen, then boarders don’t really matter, when it comes to law suits.
The fact that web content is changed or deleted so frequently is why when I see a page, article, photo or video I like, I download it so I have a copy myself, because in a month it could be gone, excluded from google and it's cache, and the wayback machine could go away at anytime too due to copyright suits, death, funding. Google archives out of print and antiquarian books, but newer books they cant due to copyrights If you see it now and think you might want to again- save it yourself on your own drive. I found quite a few web sites in the archive that when you click on links or photos within the saved site, they come up 404 not found etc the archive doesnt save entire sites a lot of the time- just the front pages. It also chokes on certain pages that used scrips, java or frames
internet archives runs on donations too. the fact that they can just sue something that they are hardly even making any money off of is just insane, a large majority of books/shows and games are not even sold anymore directly by big companies anymore.
depends on the information. Authors and musicians and researchers depend on people paying for their work to survive. Without paid information there would be no more information. Once the creator dies though, I think it should be free
@@couchpotatoes5158yes and no. The archive should save everything. At all times. Maybe not make it Public till the creators death. But it should be saved asap
Unfortunately I think the Internet Archive will lose these fights. It will be the cost of the payouts that will cause it to shut down. Humanity loves to both build-up then destroy its own culture.
I have to say, what a great story! I've known about the Internet Archive but its good to see a big journalist company make a story about it and bring more attention towards it.
Too bad, not everything is being saved. Images are often missing, and forum discussions are usually gone. But I am grateful for what they've been able to save.
Probably one of the best things to happen to the internet. It's important to preserve this, especially in a hundred years assuming the internet is still around.
Remember the Library of Alexandria? No you don’t. It had so much information kept in one place. Caesar razed it, and we lost so much. If we destroy the Internet Archive, we lose 28 years of internet history, plus so many books, videos, songs, games, apps. When you keep information in physical form in a dusty old library, it is prone to fire, flood, and other natural disasters, losing that information for the rest of time.
The Internet Archive is an American nonprofit digital library founded in 1996 by Brewster Kahle. It provides free access to collections of digitized materials including websites, software applications, music, audiovisual and print materials. The Archive also advocates for a free and open Internet. As of February 4, 2024, the Internet Archive held more than 44 million print materials, 10.6 million videos, 1 million software programs, 15 million audio files, 4.8 million images, 255,000 concerts, and over 835 billion web pages in its Wayback Machine. Its mission is committing to provide "universal access to all knowledge". The Internet Archive allows the public to upload and download digital material to its data cluster, but the bulk of its data is collected automatically by its web crawlers, which work to preserve as much of the public web as possible. Its web archive, the Wayback Machine, contains hundreds of billions of web captures. The Archive also oversees numerous book digitization projects, collectively one of the world's largest book digitization efforts. Source Wikipedia
The catch is, it isn't automatic. You need to archive yourself the websites you are interested on, and keep the URL for retrieval. Also, there are websites that don't allow being copied, so you may believe you archived something, but get only an "Access denied" screen when checking the source you need and that is not online anymore.
I have a sense of: What did they expect? It's far from the same as the library, and I think that's obvious. Libraries buy their books. Each book can only be lent out to one at a time, and has to be returned within a limited time. Here, the books are made available to millions of users at the same time, and by tying it to The Wayback Machine, they've run the risk of everything going the way of Napster. Web pages that were put out for free in the first place are easier to justify, and I wish they had stuck to that, to avoid this trouble. The Wayback Machine *is* a tremendously useful tool. That said, even content creators who put out work for free have issues with the loss of control they get from this. I don't have a clear answer. I want the Wayback Machine to stay, but I do see their point.
I agree… no one else does web archiving like they do and they are often the only place with copies of a webpage. I hope this doesn’t become an Icarus story where their feud with the publishing industry bankrupts the whole operation. There are plenty of other places that maintain copies of books and music - stick to the online stuff that has a much stronger “fair use” defense.
Hopefully they can come to a deal to just delete the works that the companies see as damaging and move on! Would be a travesty for the site to go away!
They only lending books that they have physically own. So if they have 500 books in the vault, they can only lending it to 500 People at the same time.
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I'm glad to see that CBS Sunday Morning covered this. I'm pretty young, I'm on the internet basically all the time, so I'm in the loop on most things. I know the Sunday morning news is mostly an older audience, so it's imperative for them to know the importance of the work of the Internet Archive and the legal troubles that they've faced
Leave it to some creeps to sue a wonderful service. Why aren't they suing radio stations and libraries? I cannot believe the courts let them win the first case.
The glorious seniors citizens we have learned so much from. You gave generations the story of history and, believe it or not, the generations after you listened. All those photo albums, newspaper clippings, vhs tapings, floppy discs. It's all contributed into creating this archive. As grumpy as you get with the fast moving generations, remember you were once a running generation innovating too.
The Internet Archive is providing one of the most crucial free services on earth, and it's not just the Wayback Machine that's part of it. Their dedication to preserving digital history is unmatched.
There are many pieces of media that are almost impossible to find elsewhere. For example, I've used the internet archive to get old 1980s K mart music for a project I'm planning. And have used the wayback machine to see what websites used to look like. I know that it is often used to investigate scams, or malicious changes to a company's policies. Publishers, seemingly, are now greedy companies hemorrhaging money looking for a scapegoat to suck dry so they can survive another month.
The internet archive actually paused the lending/borrow system for books back in 2020 and made them free to all for several months. That is why they're being sued by the AAP but of course they didn't say that.
I mean I could have told him that books and music and movies is a bad idea till they were out of copyright. What he SHOULD have done is copied as he did and only released when the copyright ran out.
The Internet Archive is a priceless resource. It has not always been on the right side of copyright law, and is currently facing a lawsuit as a consequence. If you can spare a few dollars, consider donating it to The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine to help preserve these records!
It feels somewhat like a digital version the Library of Alexandria. For the sake of our history and knowledge for future generations, I hope internet archives stays indefinitely.
How can members of the public sign a petition supporting the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine? They've been tremendously helpful to me in finding archived material.
how about we ALL start boycotting those record labels and book publishers? they literally want to erase history... that is UNACCEPTABLE! I will NEVER give those corporations a cent, euro, dime, dollar, NADA, NOTHING!
The legal difficulty I think stems from the ability to download most everything. If there was a way to prevent downloads or pay a content fee or a subscription service for the archive to manage the backend of doing this Something to help prevent legal action against them
This is a very important internet resource. But unfortunately, the law is clear on copyrighted material. That's where the money is, and you can't get in the way of profits. "All Mighty Dollar!"
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Protect the internet archive at all costs.
okay, captain
@@Moodboard39 they're a ninja.
Nah get rid of it
@@yungjunkie666 my man said, we need a way forward machine, erase the past!
They recently purged Kiwi Farms, internet archive is lost...
So glad major news outlets are covering this vital piece of internet infrastructure.
And not just attacking them by going on about copyright law and how this damages the rent seekers life.
They’ll turn on them as soon as their corporate overlords tell them to.
I’m not. Theres going to be higher ups that want stuff permanently deleted, and they’ll end up deleting it all…
The only reason Viacom seems to be the only one to actually follow through is because they aren’t a music label
internet archive is the #1 most important website on the entire internet.
there is so much media that's worth checking out and archive makes it so accessible. i literally don't know what i'd do without it, there's so many old video games, tv shows, movies, albums, and books that are so hard to find already as it is. getting rid of the internet archive would be disastrous
well at least its just only books for now and not others
If I had my way, the Internet Archive would be a branch of the Library Of Congress and would receive an automatic exemption from any and all copy restrictions
THIS. It should've be a protected site, along with some of the wiki sites perhaps.
@RyanCunningham-tw4wd Which man is the Library Of Congress, again?
@RyanCunningham-tw4wd And what does that have to do with what I said?
I doubt the organization would be willing to give everything up to the LOC.
@@Unknown_Ooh Why not? It would be a massive step up in abilities
He created a internet library. That's fantastic! History saved for real. They will try to bring that down now.
Unfortunately, there are issues with copyrights on content, and just one lawuit could spell disaster.
I applaud the spirit behind what they did with the lending library, but the exact way they did it was destined for legal trouble.
@@HobbyOrganist this is the stated reason that Caesar gave when he razed the Library of Alexandria
@@DurkMcGerkthere was copyright laws back in ancient times?
@@spottedtime little known fact
This is a critical cultural resource, that I have donated to for many years.
The internet archive must survive. I remember reading about a fire that they had in 2013 and my heart skipped a beat when I saw the headline back then.
If this was destroyed, it would be like the loss of the ancient library of Alexandria.
then he shouldn’t have gone too far with it.
@@moe47988 -- We'll hindsight is always 20:20, and I don't think it's worth destroying all of the data that will otherwise be lost
@@moe47988you do know that if this goes away sites like Wikipedia will be worse.
Researching stuff will be worse
Trying to find old articles will be significantly harder.
Heck way back machine is perfect for citing source. Since it NEVER changes. Meaning tbat people can always see the sane exact source u did.
It's also quite useful for investigating stuff. Since if someone breaks the law you then removes it. You can still find the archive of it.
There was that time paypal made a change. People noticed and got mad. Then silently removed it and said it never happened or that people misunderstood. Yet way back machine proved them wrong!
Imagine if all the libraries or the world had to burn their BOOKS EVERT SINGLE ONE. That whata happening right now but with the internet. If tbis happens we wil lose history
huh? @@moe47988
Do public libraries have to ask publishers' permission to loan books to people? That's what the Internet Archive is doing - it's not SELLING anything - it's just making stuff available to check out, the same as a brick-and-mortar library.
I guess the publishers would also be happy to see all of our public libraries closed as well.
Libraries do have to purchase the books.
@@debbiej.2168 The Internet Archive owns physical copies of each book it has on offer, just like a library - that's how they scan them, after all.
@@debbiej.2168 The Internet Archive also purchases the books it scans.
@@debbiej.2168Internet Archive either purchases the books they loan, or they receive them as donations. Just as a public library does
@@debbiej.2168 Didn't somebody purchase the books that are donated to the Internet Archive?
The Internet Archive is fundamental the continued development of our culture. When we look back at pre-Information Age society we have letters, journals, books, and more to understand and in some ways interact with the past. What will our posterity have to similarly engage with their past? If not for something like the IA we would leave scant few details of our world for our descendants to see what life was like as we moved into the era of computers and the internet. If we leave nothing for them to understand their past, to see where they came from, how will they understand themselves? We rely on our past to relativistically understand how far we’ve come and what has yet to be accomplished. Copyright is important, it allows a person to own an idea and profit off of it. However, there must be a balance between the pursuit of profit and access to one of humanity’s greatest stores of knowledge and everyday thoughts.
This is an absolutely invaluable resource w for when I have web design clients who’ve lost their old websites or have been hacked and I can recover all of the old content for them, I hope and pray they will survive the lawsuits and be around always! PRICELESS
Good, hopefully this will bring in more supporters so that the Internet Archive doesn't go away. It needs your support.
The Internet Archive is such an important resource. Think of all the movies, books, TV episodes, pamphlets, zines, games, etc, that have been lost to time. So often, those things are lost because the copyright holders have no interest in preserving them and won't do so if given the chance. Can we trust those same copyright holders to not destroy any traces of their properties before the copyright is up?
The Internet Archive must be protected and preserved.
He has created an internet library
That's ingenious for real
It's literally just a library. You go to a library and check out a book. Same here. Not illegal.
Not what the federal court thought in their 2023 decision.
@@fmachine86 because the feds are paid off by the publishers.
Yes, but the library bought and paid for that book, and there are only as many copies as they paid for. (And for libraries it works the same way with ebooks: they have to pay for every single copy they buy, and they can only lend as many copies as they paid for.) The library didn't make a hundred photocopies of the book and made all of those available.
the difference is that libraries buy their books, so they legally own them
@@kevinwparkerI’m convinced ebooks for libraries are worse as a subscription :/
I had no idea that this existed, at all. But now I know where to find the magazine articles that I wrote some 20 years ago. Thanks!
than u must be living under a rock lol
it shows how u close minded ur are lol
@@Moodboard39it’s really not that deep, not everyone is chronically online
@@Moodboard39why do you have to be so negative on a video that’s spreading awareness for this amazing archive?
@@Moodboard39 you realize most people arent up to date with stuff on the internet? Both my parents had never heard of internet archive when this piece aired on Sunday Morning
In some ways, this makes me chuckle. I’ve been using the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive for years and years now, probably since it started. CBS Sunday sometimes feels very old-person oriented. As if that demographic had no idea about this and are just being clued into it like it’s a new thing. It is a really interesting thing to explore though. With the constant changes and advances to webpages, you don’t realize just how basic they used to be say in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. The change has happened so slowly and naturally like a pot of water heating up, that it’s easy to forget. Early pages were mostly text, with most having no videos, and not even many photos. Those elements took so long to load back then that they weren’t as ubiquitous as today.
I think this show mostly caters to the 50+ demographics. I've seen CBS get called "The old people network" online several times.
Ring every bell, this piece of internet infrastructure needs to be saved!
@@kennethteasley7454 Sunday Morning is still the best news segment to ever exist in my opinion. I'm young, yet I still watch it every Sunday. They show actual stories that people care about; its a refreshing break from the normal news cycle.
The fact that the Archive is in jeopardy just from selling some copyrighted books is a travesty of the in-justice system. If the problem is just giving out copyrighted books, then just remove THOSE BOOKS from the archive, or better yet, reimburse the publishers for the amount lost and continue to lease them out at profit to the publishers. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why the ENTIRE ARCHIVE should be in danger of being shut down for this. And any judge that rules against the Archive is guilty of a crime against humanity and should be punished harshly. Losing the Internet Archive would be a greater loss to the human race than the burning of the Library of Alexandria by orders of magnitude. This is an issue that should transcend our laws-ANY attempt to erase this much history should be stopped regardless of what the law says.
I've used the wayback machine a lot for research and for thesis
How can they be sued when libraries can't? It's literally the same.
Because libraries aren’t making copies of the books they distribute.
Libraries don't have infinite copies of every book.
@@estusflask982 Yes and in fact, at least in my local library, they only have a limited number of eBooks to "lend out". I guess it's a way for the publishers to control their intellectual property.
Beacuse libraries actually bought the books
@@estusflask982libraries also have e books
It's hard to grasp just how much history and information would be lost if something happened to the internet archive. We're lucky they even had the forethought to do this in the first place.
Good work, CBS! This is important on a deep level. How visionary of Mr. Kahle to embarked on this back in the 90s! We owe librarians the world. (I got an extra boost of happiness when I saw the brief Prince of Persia clip!)
I was working on my political philosophy capstone project (i.e., final-year project) but the work of philosophers, as you may know, are lengthy but inaccessible on the internet. I also browsed the database of my university library, but I still could not find some of the work. In particular, I had to find the translated manuscript of Immanuel Kant for more accurate interpretations of his ideas.
Then, I found the Internet Archive. End of story.
It is really a lifesaver. Thank you so much, the Internet Archive.
This website has existed for literally over 2 decades. Why are the news networks just now making stories on it like this is new
Because they’re getting sued? Try to watch the video my guy it’s only 5 minutes long 😂
@@jp__878 they got Sued in March. This is still old news
@@jp__878 They got sued in March of 2023. This is still very old news
Because they can only talk about destruction
Because nothing has happened for 2 decades, they're not making a story on the archive. They're making a story on the fact that they're being sued
Internet Archive is an invaluable source that I have gone to many times, and contribute to. Material comes and goes, so research what you can, when you can. It's simply the world's largest lending library, just like my favorite libraries here in the Norfolk, Virginia area. It's also marvelous if you are housebound like I and thousands of people are. The world comes to your PC!
Discovered it 20 years ago and have loved it since then.
I hope they do the right thing and keep this service around
When I was a kid I used to check out old time radio shows on audio cassettes and discovered a world that has been the soundtrack of my life. As an adult I’ve been donating what I can afford to the Internet Archive for twenty years, originally out of gratitude for its collection of vintage radio (and tv) programs. The idea that they could be sued out of existence is horrifying to hear. Support them with any donation you can and keep them alive - it is the most valuable library in the world.
There is a lot of rare expensive software from the 80s and early 90s on it, a goldmine, much of it you can’t ever find again as the companies dropped support ages ago and destroyed their archives.
I highly suggest everyone with enough storage NAS devices to archive the whole site piece by piece to avoid a potential corporate book burning event
What software? I'd love to check some out if you have any cool recommendations for old software
@@DeusVult838old versions of 3ds max and autocad and houdini and softimage and flame in particular
Poor big publishers! They can’t hoard older copyrighted books and music. The poor executives!
I thought things fell into public domain after a certain number of decades? If that's the case, just backup those books and music and settle to stop the lawsuits to save the rest.
The problem with that is it takes a *very* long time. 70 years after the author dies or 95 after initial publication depending on whether it was published before or after 1978, different rule for different years. By the time that period has ended, will you even still have original copies to be able to scan anymore? Who's going to store the warehouses of books waiting for 70 years (or much more if the author's still alive - it could be well over 150 years if the author published at 20 years old and lives to be 100)? The US itself as a country is only about 250 years old right now; you'd be storing books for half the age of the country just waiting to be able to scan them. And then what's to stop them from saying their web articles are also under the same rule and they can't web archive the nytimes or other news sites until 70 years after the author of the article dies? The web article would very likely be long gone by then.
Thank Disney for screwing archives over by making copyrights unreasonable.
This is some really good reporting.
Need more videos like this.
I'm so hyped to see CBS covering this. The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine are international treasures, no joke. They MUST survive if we have any hope to continue preserving history. Many of the wrinkly old raisins in the government and justice system can't seem to understand that.
P.S. Archived this page a minute ago!
I totally support his cause of uploading all the media humanity has ever created into one place. Its really is quite the archive
but but but Money
@@Vifnisthe library of congress has basically ever book published in modern times. And people van use them.
They ofc pay for the books (just like archive ) and can be accessed by anyone (like archive )
Honestly. Archive should be given special legal status and some government funding
Move the archive offshore where publishers and record companies do not have the grounds to sue. This is bigger than them.
@@jimjames2429 author's get the initial copy of the book fee but do not receive anything else when a library loans out there books over and over again. This is exactly what he is doing.
I don’t think that will help. I remember hearing about a TH-camr in Australia being sued by a Japanese company for showing clips from their show, on his TH-cam channel. Unfortunately Japan doesn’t have the same fair use law, like America has.
If that can happen, then boarders don’t really matter, when it comes to law suits.
The fact that web content is changed or deleted so frequently is why when I see a page, article, photo or video I like, I download it so I have a copy myself, because in a month it could be gone, excluded from google and it's cache, and the wayback machine could go away at anytime too due to copyright suits, death, funding.
Google archives out of print and antiquarian books, but newer books they cant due to copyrights
If you see it now and think you might want to again- save it yourself on your own drive.
I found quite a few web sites in the archive that when you click on links or photos within the saved site, they come up 404 not found etc the archive doesnt save entire sites a lot of the time- just the front pages. It also chokes on certain pages that used scrips, java or frames
Google Books can archive newer works, but they can't make them fully available.
internet archives runs on donations too. the fact that they can just sue something that they are hardly even making any money off of is just insane, a large majority of books/shows and games are not even sold anymore directly by big companies anymore.
The internet archive needs lots of support. They need donations to run the servers, and fight off lawsuits.
Donate and support the internet archive.
Wow! I thought Wayback was just this niche thing that people hungry for nostalgia like me use! Haha thanks for reporting this CBS!
I _love_ Internet Archive. Easily one of the most important sites that exists.
The internet archive is amazing. It’s how I first watched Pink Flamingos and the Book of Mormon.
One of my favorite and most used sites.
AND IT'S WHERE I POST GAME SHOWS AS WELL! I love the Internet Archive.
Information must be free lest we all become slaves.
depends on the information. Authors and musicians and researchers depend on people paying for their work to survive. Without paid information there would be no more information. Once the creator dies though, I think it should be free
@@couchpotatoes5158yes and no.
The archive should save everything. At all times. Maybe not make it Public till the creators death. But it should be saved asap
@@EvilNeuro fair
The Internet Archive is the modern equivalent of the Library of Alexandria
#SupportTheInternetArchivesandtheWaybackMachine
Unfortunately I think the Internet Archive will lose these fights. It will be the cost of the payouts that will cause it to shut down. Humanity loves to both build-up then destroy its own culture.
What a great idea and fantastic organization to support. Thank you.
Just imagine when the entire internet goes down and there's only internet archive left
I have to say, what a great story! I've known about the Internet Archive but its good to see a big journalist company make a story about it and bring more attention towards it.
Too bad, not everything is being saved. Images are often missing, and forum discussions are usually gone. But I am grateful for what they've been able to save.
I've been using the Wayback Machine since 2011, nice to see it trending all these years later! 😊
Probably one of the best things to happen to the internet. It's important to preserve this, especially in a hundred years assuming the internet is still around.
god bless this man for creating a museum for the internet.
Remember the Library of Alexandria? No you don’t. It had so much information kept in one place. Caesar razed it, and we lost so much. If we destroy the Internet Archive, we lose 28 years of internet history, plus so many books, videos, songs, games, apps. When you keep information in physical form in a dusty old library, it is prone to fire, flood, and other natural disasters, losing that information for the rest of time.
The Internet Archive is an American nonprofit digital library founded in 1996 by Brewster Kahle. It provides free access to collections of digitized materials including websites, software applications, music, audiovisual and print materials. The Archive also advocates for a free and open Internet. As of February 4, 2024, the Internet Archive held more than 44 million print materials, 10.6 million videos, 1 million software programs, 15 million audio files, 4.8 million images, 255,000 concerts, and over 835 billion web pages in its Wayback Machine. Its mission is committing to provide "universal access to all knowledge".
The Internet Archive allows the public to upload and download digital material to its data cluster, but the bulk of its data is collected automatically by its web crawlers, which work to preserve as much of the public web as possible. Its web archive, the Wayback Machine, contains hundreds of billions of web captures. The Archive also oversees numerous book digitization projects, collectively one of the world's largest book digitization efforts. Source Wikipedia
You wasted all this time looking up internet archive and then typing the definition, just to say what the video already says 😂
The catch is, it isn't automatic. You need to archive yourself the websites you are interested on, and keep the URL for retrieval. Also, there are websites that don't allow being copied, so you may believe you archived something, but get only an "Access denied" screen when checking the source you need and that is not online anymore.
I've been using the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine for 20 years now. Definitely the most useful website I've ever used.
Wow! Fascinating. Thank you!
I have a sense of: What did they expect?
It's far from the same as the library, and I think that's obvious. Libraries buy their books. Each book can only be lent out to one at a time, and has to be returned within a limited time.
Here, the books are made available to millions of users at the same time, and by tying it to The Wayback Machine, they've run the risk of everything going the way of Napster.
Web pages that were put out for free in the first place are easier to justify, and I wish they had stuck to that, to avoid this trouble. The Wayback Machine *is* a tremendously useful tool. That said, even content creators who put out work for free have issues with the loss of control they get from this.
I don't have a clear answer. I want the Wayback Machine to stay, but I do see their point.
I agree… no one else does web archiving like they do and they are often the only place with copies of a webpage. I hope this doesn’t become an Icarus story where their feud with the publishing industry bankrupts the whole operation. There are plenty of other places that maintain copies of books and music - stick to the online stuff that has a much stronger “fair use” defense.
Hopefully they can come to a deal to just delete the works that the companies see as damaging and move on! Would be a travesty for the site to go away!
They only lending books that they have physically own. So if they have 500 books in the vault, they can only lending it to 500 People at the same time.
Thank you CBS for covering this amazing website.
The best part of this is that David plays viola in a string quartet!
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I'm glad to see that CBS Sunday Morning covered this. I'm pretty young, I'm on the internet basically all the time, so I'm in the loop on most things. I know the Sunday morning news is mostly an older audience, so it's imperative for them to know the importance of the work of the Internet Archive and the legal troubles that they've faced
Been using these for years. You'll be amazed on what you'll find
Thank you for spreading the word on the Internet Archive's importance.
Leave it to some creeps to sue a wonderful service. Why aren't they suing radio stations and libraries? I cannot believe the courts let them win the first case.
$$$.
Boycott the record labels! it's easy
the internet archive is a serious blessing…. it would be a dream job to work there
Because contrary to what many believe, the internet is NOT forever.
I was flattered when they picked up my tiny page from the early 2000s. It's listed still but a dead link.
The wayback machine has saved me on so much stuff - especially programs to use older midi devices that were taken down years ago
The glorious seniors citizens we have learned so much from. You gave generations the story of history and, believe it or not, the generations after you listened. All those photo albums, newspaper clippings, vhs tapings, floppy discs. It's all contributed into creating this archive. As grumpy as you get with the fast moving generations, remember you were once a running generation innovating too.
I like the Grateful Dead bootleg archive they have at the audio section on the internet archive.
Internet preservation needs to be protected. We will not go back to the old times, we will go forward to our future.
The Internet Archive is providing one of the most crucial free services on earth, and it's not just the Wayback Machine that's part of it. Their dedication to preserving digital history is unmatched.
He's a genius! I'm on the website frequently.
I wish Adobe Flash was still around. There were some things on the Wayback Machine that I couldn't get to or watch because of that.
There are many pieces of media that are almost impossible to find elsewhere. For example, I've used the internet archive to get old 1980s K mart music for a project I'm planning.
And have used the wayback machine to see what websites used to look like.
I know that it is often used to investigate scams, or malicious changes to a company's policies.
Publishers, seemingly, are now greedy companies hemorrhaging money looking for a scapegoat to suck dry so they can survive another month.
this man could help us solve every easter egg/iceberg
I've used it a few times to view sites like WWE to read old articles from 2002-03. That was my era of wrestling.
The internet archive actually paused the lending/borrow system for books back in 2020 and made them free to all for several months. That is why they're being sued by the AAP but of course they didn't say that.
I mean I could have told him that books and music and movies is a bad idea till they were out of copyright. What he SHOULD have done is copied as he did and only released when the copyright ran out.
I do investigative crime documentaries and the wayback machine is ESSENTIAL to what we do
The Internet Archive is a priceless resource. It has not always been on the right side of copyright law, and is currently facing a lawsuit as a consequence. If you can spare a few dollars, consider donating it to The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine to help preserve these records!
It feels somewhat like a digital version the Library of Alexandria. For the sake of our history and knowledge for future generations, I hope internet archives stays indefinitely.
I think back to the great libraries of the ancient world, Alexandria and Baghdad. How that wisdom was lost, never again.
I really hope the Internet Archive doesn't end, I love it so much
oh no
If you aren't actively keeping up with your IPs then they deserve to be free like this
The music companies let TH-cam put music freely available
im genuinely shocked that it's getting publicity like this
How can members of the public sign a petition supporting the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine? They've been tremendously helpful to me in finding archived material.
The basis of a free society is, without a doubt, unrestricted access to history. The world at large needs to protect it, forever.
@AAPublishers it's not like these things shouldn't be archived. Instead of suing them, you should be funding them.
How are you guys just reporting on this? This website's been around for years...
how about we ALL start boycotting those record labels and book publishers? they literally want to erase history... that is UNACCEPTABLE! I will NEVER give those corporations a cent, euro, dime, dollar, NADA, NOTHING!
They don't want to erase it. They just don't want it distrubuted for free
@@Matt_Dagostino A lot of the time they aren’t even distributing the content themselves. They just want to sit on the rights.
The legal difficulty I think stems from the ability to download most everything. If there was a way to prevent downloads or pay a content fee or a subscription service for the archive to manage the backend of doing this
Something to help prevent legal action against them
This guy is amazing, love him
Save the archive!
This is a very important internet resource. But unfortunately, the law is clear on copyrighted material. That's where the money is, and you can't get in the way of profits. "All Mighty Dollar!"