The true 15th wish: making destiny 2 great and fun to play again Edit: thx for the likes guys and gals, it’s good that I started a conversation in the reply section
It's not just the final season of the year: IT'S THE FINAL SEASON EVER. AND THEY ASKED US TO DO BLIND WELL RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S HOW THEY SEND OFF AN ENTIRE ERA.
@@lazyvoid7107 outliers, not the mean. These creators (and warframe fans) all seem negative towards destiny no matter what. I loved darkside royalty back in D1 when he addressed valid issues. Now it seems like he's just sick of the game in general.
Nah make that shit as tedious as possible 😂 so they can have something to do for instead of complaining theres no content after speed running thru everything in 1 day
@@Noname-ol8efno we got the wish from the final witch cutscene. The pattern of the wish was on the back of savathuns wing and our character figured out the puzzle off screen then shows the wish wall pattern to eris, then this season it’s just given to us and it’s a teleport to Rivne’s boss area in a mission that’s it
@@PmfSwavier you can beat the entire weekly story and challenges in 4 hours. if 4 hours per week is speedrunning to you then I'm terrified of what you think slowrunning it would be. The new seasonal mission is fun, very little fucking content, but fun. Id be interested to hear what you consider new content this season? The same strikes we have been doing for 4 years? The same pvp maps we have been doing for fucking 10 years. Gambit? The blind welll that was added 4 years ago? enlighten me.
My current theory is that this season has been broken up a lot so they can cover up some months. Both wishes and into the light most likely would have launched with the season but have been delayed so we can have content later on. We sadly will have to wait and see.
I had always thought they purposely kept the 15th wish as a "get out of jail free" card. They were just gonna pull it out whenever they needed to make some wild jump and to pull back people that were fans of forsaken.
You mentioned the bow being the same model as the Imperial Needle from Chosen, but you forgot: the new linear fusion uses Threaded Needle's model the new fusion rifle uses Null Composure's model the new slug shotgun uses Bonechiller's model the new trace rifle uses Path of Least Resistance's model and the new pulse rifle uses Cold Denial's model not to mention the new playlist and world-drop weapons are all reused too. Hopefully the dungeon at least has unique gun models. (I'm not mad about it tho, reusing models is no big deal for seasonal stuff)
I agree there are more important things than the weapon models, but when you think abt all the brand spanking new eververse stuff every season, it's pretty fucking yikes.
@@gigan3838 even then a lot of the eververse stuff is silver exclusive for the season then released for bright dust next season like season of the deep silver stuff was later sold in season of the witch for bright dust. So the new stuff if you want it for free it’s a long wait, too that the new ornaments are usually late into the season for bright dust as well recently
the bow i mentioned only because of the shading issue, reskins are normally okay as long as the sound and functionality is new, there's only so many ways to make a fusion, bow, etc but when shading is not even done is when it's lame :(
@@evanf1997 oh yeah, on the one hand I'm perfectly fine with reusing models because it's smart game design, and on the other hand I'm cool with it because I like recognising when a model is smartly reused and seeing how the devs are able to make the new gun feel distinct. Like all the examples I found are nearly completely different in sound, element-type and general feel due to new perks, so it's really smart and i give props to the weapon designers.
The real kicker to me is how reused the seasonal weapons are. There is barely anything done to their previous model from the previous seasons they came from; just a little slapped on thing on the side that is 'riven-esque' and the same goes for some of the skins too.
Sadly, this has been this way for several seasons now, and has become the new standard. Same as with season 20 weapons, mainly just reskins from season 15.
Weapon crafting is a double edged sword, it’s nice to be able to guarantee the roll you want without having to sink an unknown amount of hours into the game, but it kills the thrill of getting most rolls on a non crafted gun because it can’t have enhanced perks
instead of weapon crafting they should’ve added a new ghost mod to focus the perk in one colomn of your weapon drops, or add some sort of selector when you start the activity to focus a certain perk. It would make the grind still valuable.
@@SpicyCheeseSpreadthis is exactly how it should have been - either that or at least have had enhanced perks that only drop on dropped versions (Uncraftable rolls on craftable weapons - much like a curated roll)
I don't think I've ever been this sad to have put this much time into anything. It's hurt a lot to see them kinda just slowly stop caring about the community even a little bit.
They saw how lucrative microtransactions have become and that’s the direction they’ve been taking this game. 3700 hours I’ve watched this game decline year after year. I finally got off the hamster wheel shortly after lightfall and honestly, I’m glad I got to experience destiny before it became the mutilated bs it is today.
I think Riven's Lair is essentially the same as The Coil is because for story progression, they don't want you to have to go through all four rounds of the Coil to progress (and they couldn't make the quest tick off at the end of loop one since the activity hasn't ended yet), so they made Riven's Lair as a way to have people just run one loop of The Coil and have the activity end so as not to have them run a potentially hour-long activity for seasonal quest progress. For story, they intend that you run Lair, for loot, they intend you run Coil. Most players' playtime through this activity will most likely be in the longer (and more rewarding) Coil.
the fact that I remembered the release date for season of the wish ONLY thanks to joe blackburn's dev update just shows how much I fell out of love for this game, and it makes me sad to think about
Id say the season isnt bad (yet) but i think that its the community and bungie relationship thats on the edge. Right now were in the most lowest point in destiny and in the reconciliation phase of the abusive relationship. Bungie is baseically saying "pls give us more time we will change we will fix everything". We are in an abusive relationship with bungie and its gonna take alot of effort from bungie for the cycle to end.
I think the last time I was happy was 5 minutes before my friend told me about a game he got for Christmas…over ten years ago in a middle school hallway, I believe the game he said it was was destiny.
I honestly think most of the Destiny Community need to take a break for a season. If ur able to drop the FOMO and just accept losing the armor OR just getting the seasonal armor and then dropping it and coming back next season it really makes the game fun again. Burnout is the problem but nobody wants to accept that.
The reason crafting takes the wind out of the sails of random dropped loot is because the perk pools of drops and crafts are the same. If dropped loot had different available godrolls to their crafted variants, then maybe we'd see a reason to grinding for drops.
Season of seraph was pretty peak in retrospect, this does not give me a lot of hope and neither did last season, I’m gonna hold off until some solid time has been had with the activities
If the 15th wish was something that we had to find organically that would have been a huge W for bungie. Just handing it to us sucks. They could have used savathuns wings to start us off. Then have the rest be found organically.
Ok. We spend 5 weeks finding bits of the wish. Then what? How do we make the wish? Wish wall? Seems pretty lame for the end of a story to end with us just entering a code in. We get Riven back this way, a unique character comes back into the mix.
Pretty much feels like a meh season but definitely like The Coil, feels just right on difficulty for once so hopefully the Dungeon will be the same and not breaking records on boss health again
Same, i thought the coil is fun and just challenging enough for me with other players. Im not an expert at the game, but i like the arcade progression of the coil arena. Im not a veteran who has history with this game like many others, so its hard to feel their disappointment, but i can see why there are complaints.
@@Suigeneris999 that’s honestly the strat Especially when seasonal challenges are all basically the same thing it’s better to just do them all at once But ngl it might not even be worth it cuz more and more items are for silver only lol I waited the ENTIRE season just to get the swarmers ornament as that was the only item I even wanted If they keep this up I’ll be a bright dust millionaire And a real life millionaire too cuz I ain’t buying shit
i feel like instead of doing the whole " get my eggs " thing it could have been a " go kill Shcold" the Ancient Ahamkara and he'll be in a underground part of the dreaming city either sleeping or waiting for a challenger. riven would have us kill him and then she would grant the wish.
@@ThePresidentofMarsI think the phrase was last "KNOWN" Ahamkara... So yeah that could have easily been pushed aside for an Ahamkara that was smart and hid itself away
@@ThePresidentofMars well, while you could be right, A). If it's smart there's a way it could have prepared itself. B). I don't know if there's a lore piece that says they die if they don't feed on someone's wants. I mean riven was locked up during the taken war and never had anything to feed on to my knowledge.
@garbagegnomeking this is just my speculation but even though mara used the wish wall to prevent riven from twisting her intentions, they were still her desires.
It's the players that have done this. We preordered, we bought everything they gave us. They increased price, they gave us less and less, they added more microtransactions and we just kept buying. We should have demanded Luke Smith be yanked way back. Remember when we thought the greed came from activision? Destiny 1 was great and enjoyable. I didn't complain. There were issues but the content was enjoyable most of us were still happy with what we got for our money.
The biggest reason that has kept me from playing the recent seasons is how none of the guns have any remotely useful perk combos The same reason i think haunted was one of the best seasons we got in the past 2 years because almost all of the guns actually see high use in pve or pvp compared to deep, witch and wish Where i honestly didnt bother to to craft a single gun that didnt come out of a raid or dungeon
I feel the same. Stopped playing during season 21 and couldn't be bothered with the majority of all the new guns (I still really enjoyed a couple of them). Even the exotic weapons are pretty forgettable, I still was mostly using exotic weapons from season 10 and older, and only about 3 from newer seasons.
I'm disappointed because the 15th wish deserved to be something cool, not feeling like a "quick, how can we try to make the community forget about the lay offs and delays?" It's a waste. We've waited for the 15th wish SO LONG. It shouldn't be just average.
i cant blame the community for being unhappy. we have many reasons to be. and its sad whats happened to the game, so close to the end of the light/dark storyline.
Hot take but I think potentially a good way to fix how crafting kills the hunt for loot is making it so that you only unlock the perks that that one deepsight weapon comes with. For example: you’ve never gotten a red border Age Old Bond before, and you finally get one that’s a red border and it has let’s say Dragonfly and Kill Clip. When you delete it or obtain the deepsight from it, you instantly unlock the pattern, but only have those perks unlocked. That way you have to unlock new perks for your crafted weapon by finding more red borders with new perks on them. And then maybe once you unlock all the perks for a weapon that way, then you gain access to the enhanced perks.
Couldn't agree more. Some of the craftable weapons are so good that it makes any other weapon of the same type useless to grind for. Most of the loot pool is useless. You dismantle everything for legendary shards but now even that's going away. But at least we have 7 freaking months to get rid of them.
Nah that's dog shit because you could get 100 borders in a row that never have that combo your looking for. The current iteration is fine they could do well to touch up on it and make crafting actually customizable. Multiple rows of perks for example idk why that hasn't ever been done despite constant asking for it
the community is never happy but i never really care about reviews or what other people say about a game i play, i only really worry about what i think of the game or ill look into a game if i may find interest into it
This is the first seasonal activity ive actually enjoyed grinding in awhile. Im still upset over past events but that doesnt detract from the fact being the seasonal stuff this season being challenging, fun, and rewarding.
i didnt really think any of this, for me it was: - rivens walk (or whatever it was called) is a fun lil thing that i probably wont touch, but is cool - the coil is basically a horde mode that kicks your ass, and i love that. this is amazing - riven ghost is pog - riven said nuh uh, we're just fucked then i guess :/ - bungie gave up trying to hide things and you can see what should be hidden by looking out the window in the helm, which i love because i love looking at any Behind the Scenes stuff - weapons look cool, but i wont be using them because i yet again have no reason to chase after them (but i do have my eyes on that trace tho) - looking foward to see how things pan out later on, and how the dungeon is, because from the popup ingame that showed a pic of where it'll be set, im excited for that! - got given a reason to run blind well, which is fine by me, that shit fun asf but now that youve said all of this, i cant help but just feel sad, for me this season looks pretty good, but i guess to the wider community its just really shit, plus with the poison in the air from all the corpo stuff isnt really helping overall morale. im sad to hear corpo bungie is still being the same, but i have hope for the devs. they are the people, not the suits. they make games they want to play, and i hope their light shines through the suffocating shadow that is the higher ups im here till the end, how about you?
I definitely disagree. The light event they’re referring to definilty wasn’t delayed. It most certainly is in the early stages, and will be cobbled together to give the players something to do so they don’t drop the game, which they are already doing.
yeah and it only looks like we're getting 3 new exotic weapons this season with the strand bow, dragons breath, and dungeon exotic the bow does look pretty fun to use though and it comes from a mission i think
I don't want to clock in to destiny to be told what's going on in the story & not experience it myself. That sentence captures the essence of why the in game narrative is D-tier.
what would have been really cool was the 15 wish thing being added the last week of Witch and not several weeks before. this way people rush over to the wish wall and that launches the season the next week. Maybe doing the wish triggers the trailer to drop that day and such. but instead we get a delay annoucment to dampen our mood for a new season that is ready to dissapoint us with more poor buisness choices
I feel this is the higher-up's fault for this low. With all the news coming out since the layoffs, the communities were reaching a boiling point, especially with no delay announcement until the start of this season. IMO still waiting for Pete Parson's apology as HE along with all the other executives were responsible for the blunders the community have faced recently, the mediocre seasons, increases in the Eververse store, DLC + Expansion payments, buggy launches and of course the Lightfall letdown, the main reason for the low we've reached. Which is why I'm hoping Bungie wins the best community award as I WANT PARSON to accept it AND FORMALLY APOLOGISE and if he doesn't I will still wait for that apology before I buy the Final Shape. If the head of your main game Destiny 2 can come out and apologise for your tone-deaf executive decisions then I'm sure you can hop off your high horse to say "I'm Sorry". But hey if he doesn't want people to play the game just say so.
It's sad they didn't come out with a good explanation why they delayed last wish and marathon and played off a bunch of employees leaving us in the dark. It's almost like Bungie doesn't care anymore and is consumed by microtransaction greed and it's only going to get worse.
@kingebin9830 yes I was there that long, been here since d1 beta but that's not what were talking about now. I even remember when Peter Dinklage was specifically told to act like a robot when voicing ghost and he was fired for "under performance" even though he did what they told him to do. I know this game is a mess and scrapt the original story. I even know that Lightfall's dlc was rushed too, and I think they had to scrap that story too. Bungie is consumed by greed and Activation had it under control, now it's just sad.
I don't think that the delay of TFS is due to "wanting to give the best experience". I kinda believe the rumor that it was delayed so that sales will fall into another fiscal quarter and not impact sony's financials as much. I think this rumor is true due to how they were talking about TFS during the showcase. I feel if you really care about your product then you would know well enough in advance if it was going to have issues/ not meet deadlines when you were playtesting. Also I love how the showcase did it's job to make people shut up with their complaints only to have the silence thrown away with the decisions afterwards.
I'm happy. I really like coils. Season of the deep and season of the witch were two of the best seasons destiny's ever had in regard to actual content, but everyone's so busy being over dramatic little girls, they can't get over themselves
Ppl are gonna continue to hate this game has seen better days but it’s a day into the season the sandbox is fun imo but content creators get more views by hating on the game unless bungie does some insanely good so they’ll continue and majority of d2 players don’t know how to form their own opinion and just repeat whatever they here from the ppl they follow and it’s always been that way content creators control everything in destiny
I'm a crafting advocate, I prefer it 100%, for 2 big reasons, - 1: Getting a god roll on the main perks for seasonal weapons was never that time-consuming if you ignore the barrels, mags, & masterwork, I'd settle on the primary perks because grinding EVERYTHING perfect just felt like a waste, crafting makes it so I don't HAVE to spend what could be over a year getting one roll, like Jorums Claw from Iron Banner, I spent EVERY IB since it came out trying to get Gut-shot Straight & Headseeker, at some point I decided I'm gonna get it whether it's good or not, just because it's the only pulse with that combo, after over a minimum of 1000 engrams, I FINALLY got it, just as Multimach & Tusk of the Boar came out, it's all right. - 2: Needing to level up weapons makes me actually use them to see if I like them, rather than trying it for 5 mins and trashing it if I don't, I also refuse to level up my weapons unless they have REALLY good perks I plan to use and am in the Enclave already and like 1 level away.
I can understand why people are mad about the starter pack but the season just fucking started and people already complaining about the content you don’t know if it’s going to change week to week
I'm enjoying the new season. Idc what others think, the game will continue with or without you. I have thousands of hours into destiny as a whole and almost 3k into D2 on steam alone. I'm enjoying this season.
Happy to see this. The Destiny community(not as a whole) but the large number of toxic players that's what's tearing things apart. I'm pretty grossed out by it
@@grizzlybehr1902 I play the game with my friends and family. My needs and wants will never be addressed. I'm going with the flow of the game. I'm a consumer not the maker. They can do what they wish to do with said game and I'll still play it. The community is not why I play the game. People can be as toxic about the game as they want and it'll still leave me unaffected by it. People always want more. There will never ever be a perfect game that exists. Ever.
hey evan, jus wanna let u know ur my fav video essay content creator on this platform, and ask that u continue making videos like these, its interesting listening to them while playing a game
$20 1 character ornament set should say it all. and to add to the weapon bit. seriously all of them are just weapons we had previously with a little model touch up. the only weapon that looks good is the shotgun.
OHH!? Now I understand why I was able to get into the game for the first time ever without any tragic issues:) I’m not joking by the way, every expansion, every season, I have had to wait through traffic before being able to play, but not this seasons. That is wild to me and was something I noticed immediately upon starting the game.
Clocked 10 years from destiny 1 and destiny 2. I left destiny to play other games like baldur's gate 3 and im currently waiting on first descendant. I wish you guardians the best.
This is so insufferable. Not the season, thats whatever. This community is insufferable. This is no exoneration of all this bungie has done in terms of monteziation, ETC. That is entirely divorced though from how annoying this community is. Like, Evan, look over your script. You literally say: "Red Borders are annoying to grind for" which, true, but then follow that up with: "You need to either fully commit to making weapons craftable, fully flesh out the crafting system, or remove it all together" ok... so 3 options: Every weapon craftable: I don't know what this would acomplish frankly. Fully flesh out crafting: Well, like what? We have control over every aspect of the weapon roll. What about it feels not fleshed out? Remove it all together: This is just a HORRIBLE idea. This accomplishes nothing. Thats it. I really find it annoying how this community will make suggestions that they wouldnt even like if they came true. I know that because then later in the same script as these non-specific statements you say: "I actually like the blend of crafted and non-crafted weapons." Bruh. Yes community sentiment is at its lowest, but people when people point to non-issues, it takes away from real issues. That doesn't even include the fact the all of the loudest people complaining, are frankly the people least likely to change their play habits wether its starting or stopping plaging. Like looking at all the comments of people saying they havent played since 2019 for example. We are including the opinions of people who have not played the game in over 3 years in "Community Feedback regarding the game". Theyre not coming back, and the others complaining the most are the people who PLAY EVERY SINGLE DAY. NEWS FLASH: CRAFTING WEAPONS BEING ANNOYOING TO GET IS BECAUSE YOU CONVINCED YOUSELF YOU NEED TO GET THEM! YOU'D BE COMPLAINING THE EXACT SAME WAY IF YOU WERE CHASING A GOD ROLL THAT WOULDNT DROP. I have craftable weapons with decent rolls, that I will NEVER care to get crafted. So why should I care about grinding for red borders? Please, everybody do some friggin introspection. I dont care about this needless bickering over shit that does not matter. If bungie does something that bothers me, I'll just stop playing and find a game I like, thats it. If I feel theres a reason for me to come back, I will. I understand my relationship to this game. Im tired of people who either stopped playing long ago, and have no intention of ever returning, and people that have no intention to ever stop playing, to whine with no end. Have a good day everybody, take care and stay safe.
I might actually make a video on my perspective on this season. I was pretty hopeful for Bungie and I am pretty let down. Lots of concerns I didn't expect to have. Haven't done content creation in about a decade, but I feel like giving it a go just so I can put it out there and hope bungie sees it and takes it into consideration.
Ever since I unlocked the ability to Craft, I just can't enjoy dropped guns anymore, unless it's an exotic. The Random Loot system just doesn't feel necessary and should just commit to full crafting since a gun you make feels better than a gun you find.
There are three things I like in this season so far and only THREE! 1. Playing The Coil solo and messing with builds 2. Dragon's Breath (I dunno, I just like it) 3. That new strand fusion
There are zero things i like in this season. ... no like seriously. Like the only thing I like is how the comp emblem looks... ... nothing else. at all
Just my opinion, but Destiny community is one of the most toxic and cringe echo chamber that I have EVER had to experience. From the raids, to high level co-op events, its just soooooooooooooooooo bad. I don't understand how people can still be playing this, please!!! PLEASE Go by baulders gate 3 for god sakes. You deserver to play and ACTUAL video game.
Exactly why I don't play with many people anymore. We're 1 DAY IN and people are already b*tching like crazy. The toxicity of the Destiny community is what's killing the game, it's really pathetic. Been a player for 10yrs or so and have never seen a group of gamers that treat each other and the developers like such f***ing garbage instead of embracing each other, helping people or just trying to have fun with each other. The community is tearing the community apart, Bungie "the business" is not. We've literally been dealing with this for years. People are still going to buy sh*t! Trashing each other, the game and the people who work on it (aside from maybe marketing) isn't doing a god damn thing but make all of our experience worse for it. I'm pretty disgusted with what the community has BECOME. Wasn't always like this and has definitely fallen from grace. I know it's not all of you, but there's a massive number these days And remember, WE'VE ONLY HAD THE SEASON FOR 1 DAY Chill the f*** out people or go play other titles. So tired of this constant baby bullsh*t
yeah I agree. Bungie is still a shitty corporate company but for as long as I can remember, this community has been so fucking toxic, and even if some of it was deserved, it's so tiring. I know its a minority but they won't shut their fucking mouths
As someone who has been with Destiny since the Open Beta for D1 thank you. The community really is full of toxic people and cry babies. Like you said the season literally dropped yesterday. People need to give it time so that the story can develop. I'm so sick and tired of people blaming the Bungo Devs when sometimes it isn't their fault. People just want to hate because they live sad pathetic life's.
It felt kinda shit that they told is that the wish was always in the game and now they just introduced a new symbol… and it wasnt even a riddle, it was impossible to fuck the wish up.
This same sentiment occurred with seraph last year and it turned out to be one of the best seasons, week one out of a seven month season is to early imo. I like how they are trying new things with the activity this time around.
I somewhat agree with this. Maybe we have to wait for things to be good and also for the people who are complaining about blind well, SHUT THE F@#$ UP. I liked doing it because it gave me more enhancement cores than a nightfall and I haven't played it in a while. I thought the first week was meh as well and I don't like the whole maguffin story telling and we have to wait for byf to make a video so we can have an opinion since we don't know how to make one.
I have a feeling this entire year was mostly a last minute “slap together” expansion; that they felt they needed to cram in. This would maybe explain the high amount of re-skinned weapons, and strand really being the only thing unique and new aside from Neomuna. Yes there are some new perks here and there, but hopefully the delay with TFS will bring a ton of new unique items and experiences. One can only hope.
Update: Bungie has removed the starter pack from the steam store, I think giving it to anyone who owns D2 would be fire! If you wanna have actual talks about the game without the YT wall come to my discord
Regardless what Bungie does, the damage has been done. I'm upset at them but also upset at the community and guess what, from a content creator (won't say name) found out that you all get silver to promote cosmetics from the store. So I blame Bungie for corporate greed, the community for being cash cows, and content creators for saying one thing but still promoting that monetization practices from Bungie.
@@12SlimJims Bungie has lied a lot over the years. Their past cases of clearly misleading and deceiving their player base is not forgotten. They took their best employees and put them on a different game. Vicarious Visions and High Moon Studios did a great job. They are gone forever. You can't snap your fingers and replace dozens if not hundreds of good people.
Honestly, playing diablo has reinforced my thought that sunsetting isnt bad, just executed poorly. Give all guns (maybe not armor) a hard cap that it can not be infused byond and have a special etheric light that can be used to bring a gun up to the current lvl cap with those orbs only being given in trials end matches (the last 2 with a 15% drop) and master raid and grandmaster nightfall at 10% each Craftable weapons also need to be weakened.
Man I am so tired of seeing video after video after video of people just trashing Bungie for every single thing they do. I've been having a good time playing and trying out the new stuff and even going back to the dreaming city (one of my favorite locations). But I guess drama gets clicks. And this isn't coming from some day 1 blueberry, I've got over 10,000 hours in the game and for a commumity that wants and needs new lights to jump in the game they do a really good job of turning people off it possibly before they've even tried it.
Agreed give the season a shot. Ive been enjoying it even with the nerfs. Just go in and shoot things thats all im about. Ps. 5k hours in still playing strong. Some people just need a break or play something else. This community is getting tiresome of hearing
Right?! It's been 1 F***ING DAY!!!! The "hate/screw Bungie" side of the community is ruining the experience for so many people. It's really sad to see where the community is right now and content creators being their beacon of rage and hate instead of trying to push any sort of positive influence to move in a better course direction. I'm really happy to see these couple of comments and reminds me that there are still a few of us out here and not feeling this way alone 🤙 keep killin it Guardians
So far this season is the exact same as last season - complete weekly story mission, do weekly xp quests ,etc at this point I just get to rank 100 and just wait for the season to be over
I use to be addicted to playing Destiny 2, Played it for like 5 minutes yesterday, then They wanted me to pay, so I said Okay, pressed Escape clicked on Exit to Desktop, and I feel a lot better now. Thank you Bungie Management, by making this Wish of The Final Greed during this festival of the give us your money, It has greatly killed any passion I had for this game.
This was the season Joe told us we would really need the seasonal shake up. We got blind well. Almost every weapon they’ve made since forbearance has either been a reskin or a worse version of something we already have so there’s been nothing to chase. The only chase weapon I can think of is immortal. The only problem with weapon crafting is people thinking every gun that doesn’t have an enhanced perk is trash so you absolutely have to use crafted weapons when almost all of the enhanced perks do nothing extra. The only one that actually makes a noticeable difference is enhanced surrounded. They’ve lied about almost everything they’ve told us since witch queen. How are we supposed to be hyped for final shape when the game director lies to our face and they have to delay final shape for not being good enough.
As a returning player from years ago, I knew I had to start from scratch, but I was excited to see a new season starting about a week later so I just waited. I had forgotten you had to buy the season otherwise you can’t really enjoy anything new. What made it worse was the only players I met immediately wanted to do raids that I just… cant do because I don’t wanna pay for all the dlcs. I started looking up why all the old content was just gone and finding out about the sunsets. Wow. Then all I can do this season is just Blind Well. The game is geezer age. I shouldn’t have to revisit it and be met with multiple pay walls. I get paying for an experience if I enjoyed it. But strikes, gambit, and crucible with the Eternal loot island just doesn’t feel like anything. Especially with nobody even talking in voice 99% of the time. Uninstalled. Hope Bungie can do something, but I highly doubt it so I won’t waste my time.
The biggest thing that made me delete Destiny, was the final dlc price, myself and my wife obsoletely love playing Destiny! it's been our game to play together for years, but that fact that it's going to cost us 200$ usd for both of us to play the new dlc and have the season pass is absolutely atrocious, it's huge money grab and the fact that Bungie continues to just laugh in the communities face is disgusting. I've been a Destiny fan since the beta for Destiny 1, and now I can't stomach getting on anymore, so to Bungie, thanks for losing another die hard fan. and to Evan, keep up the great content man, you're humble as hell and an amazing person!
Three times I tried playing, 3 times the server disconnected me at the end of my quest objective. First time was the mission, then was the activity, then at the end of the blind well. I hate wasting 15-30 minutes and then going back to start over
I like crafting I don’t like spending my time in an activity I don’t want to falling sleep, I just want a way to grind the gun and the perks I want to use it in the activities I want
Evan, listen to me. You should've mentioned this: The loot from the seasonal activity "Coil" from beginning to end is the same loot that I get from opening seasonal engrams. Why are there no special weapons for beating the hardest stages, or just different perks or something? Where is the incentive to grind? There is none. Just farm random stuff and lazily spam my button to open all 99 engrams for red borders. I just thought this would've been a good example to show the boringness of the season. Love your videos, keep doing what you do.
We’re never happy. I haven’t been happy since 2020 and I’m mentally still in 2019
Are there other games that still make you happy? 🥹
Mentally I'm still in the Court of Oryx with my old high school/D1 buddies.
@monistermat2093 oh yeah. Baldurs gate 3 made me happy
Go to the doctor
Then why you still playing
The true 15th wish: making destiny 2 great and fun to play again
Edit: thx for the likes guys and gals, it’s good that I started a conversation in the reply section
it will not happen
That would mean returning back to Activision.
And Activision is now owned by Microsoft, so that would mean full circle of ownership.
Not even Riven can make a fasle image of that
Unfortunately, thanks to the recent set of buffs and nerfs that's not happening. In fact the opposite is.
I'm having fun.
I knew it from the beginning, the true 15th wish was the friends we made along the way
Naw it's the guns we collected over the years to raid Bungie headquarters is the final wish. 😂
@@scrubclub7138 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE LAST RAID BOSS IS JOE BLACKBURN XD
@@THEOPDESTROYER777He is literally the only one communicating with us rn
Fuck that.
It's not just the final season of the year: IT'S THE FINAL SEASON EVER. AND THEY ASKED US TO DO BLIND WELL RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S HOW THEY SEND OFF AN ENTIRE ERA.
Wouldn’t final shape be the end of the era? This is just another season, I personally wasn’t exactly expecting much from it and it’s been okay so far.
while its not as perfect as it could be, the d2team twitter did clarify this will only happen in weeks 1 & 6 and never again
@@Stefronthey probably meant the calm before the storm or something along those lines
no it’s not 😭
@@zylo8000its the calm before the void
I remember being happy when Forsaken was a thing
They really robbed us with that one.
This is bait even people was not happy about Forsaken, the community is never happy and why others make fun of them
@@lazyvoid7107nah everyone was pretty damn happy during forsaken. we were eating
@@gabe5363 Darkside royalty, IHE, Warframe fanboys, some players didn't like it
@@lazyvoid7107 outliers, not the mean. These creators (and warframe fans) all seem negative towards destiny no matter what. I loved darkside royalty back in D1 when he addressed valid issues. Now it seems like he's just sick of the game in general.
“Big suprise here” bungie disappointing the community isn’t a suprise at all
Doesn't matter both sides are disappointing
cant figure some irony eh
That was the joke…
@@peterthompson350 i know I just don’t think people realize how sad it truly is
nah just bungie's lack of giving a shit is what's disappointing. i dont blame the community after 9 years of this corporate shit show. @@lazyvoid7107
They should make accessing the 15th wish some community puzzle for us all to figure out. Something like corridors of time but not as tedious
Nah make that shit as tedious as possible 😂 so they can have something to do for instead of complaining theres no content after speed running thru everything in 1 day
Wait.... isn't the imbaru engine puzzle THE 15th wish?
@@Noname-ol8efno we got the wish from the final witch cutscene. The pattern of the wish was on the back of savathuns wing and our character figured out the puzzle off screen then shows the wish wall pattern to eris, then this season it’s just given to us and it’s a teleport to Rivne’s boss area in a mission that’s it
@@PmfSwavierah yes the niobe lab experience electric boogaloo 😂
@@PmfSwavier you can beat the entire weekly story and challenges in 4 hours. if 4 hours per week is speedrunning to you then I'm terrified of what you think slowrunning it would be. The new seasonal mission is fun, very little fucking content, but fun. Id be interested to hear what you consider new content this season? The same strikes we have been doing for 4 years? The same pvp maps we have been doing for fucking 10 years. Gambit? The blind welll that was added 4 years ago? enlighten me.
My current theory is that this season has been broken up a lot so they can cover up some months. Both wishes and into the light most likely would have launched with the season but have been delayed so we can have content later on. We sadly will have to wait and see.
I had always thought they purposely kept the 15th wish as a "get out of jail free" card. They were just gonna pull it out whenever they needed to make some wild jump and to pull back people that were fans of forsaken.
You mentioned the bow being the same model as the Imperial Needle from Chosen, but you forgot:
the new linear fusion uses Threaded Needle's model
the new fusion rifle uses Null Composure's model
the new slug shotgun uses Bonechiller's model
the new trace rifle uses Path of Least Resistance's model
and the new pulse rifle uses Cold Denial's model
not to mention the new playlist and world-drop weapons are all reused too. Hopefully the dungeon at least has unique gun models. (I'm not mad about it tho, reusing models is no big deal for seasonal stuff)
I agree there are more important things than the weapon models, but when you think abt all the brand spanking new eververse stuff every season, it's pretty fucking yikes.
@@gigan3838 even then a lot of the eververse stuff is silver exclusive for the season then released for bright dust next season like season of the deep silver stuff was later sold in season of the witch for bright dust. So the new stuff if you want it for free it’s a long wait, too that the new ornaments are usually late into the season for bright dust as well recently
I just wish they brought back the weapon models from ROI.. even Extremophile or Assembly II
the bow i mentioned only because of the shading issue, reskins are normally okay as long as the sound and functionality is new, there's only so many ways to make a fusion, bow, etc but when shading is not even done is when it's lame :(
@@evanf1997 oh yeah, on the one hand I'm perfectly fine with reusing models because it's smart game design, and on the other hand I'm cool with it because I like recognising when a model is smartly reused and seeing how the devs are able to make the new gun feel distinct. Like all the examples I found are nearly completely different in sound, element-type and general feel due to new perks, so it's really smart and i give props to the weapon designers.
The real kicker to me is how reused the seasonal weapons are. There is barely anything done to their previous model from the previous seasons they came from; just a little slapped on thing on the side that is 'riven-esque' and the same goes for some of the skins too.
Sadly, this has been this way for several seasons now, and has become the new standard. Same as with season 20 weapons, mainly just reskins from season 15.
Weapon crafting is a double edged sword, it’s nice to be able to guarantee the roll you want without having to sink an unknown amount of hours into the game, but it kills the thrill of getting most rolls on a non crafted gun because it can’t have enhanced perks
instead of weapon crafting they should’ve added a new ghost mod to focus the perk in one colomn of your weapon drops, or add some sort of selector when you start the activity to focus a certain perk. It would make the grind still valuable.
I think they should make one or two seasonal weapons craftable and that’s it. Keep the raid weapons uncraftable.
@@SpicyCheeseSpreadthis is exactly how it should have been - either that or at least have had enhanced perks that only drop on dropped versions (Uncraftable rolls on craftable weapons - much like a curated roll)
@@SpicyCheeseSpread yes 100%, either make it so that you can easily swap perks, or remove crafting, these half-assed solutions are not good systems.
Datto being mad for the first time ever says it all.
Watching Datto that mad at the end of his video was priceless and somehow represents me
I don't think I've ever been this sad to have put this much time into anything. It's hurt a lot to see them kinda just slowly stop caring about the community even a little bit.
They saw how lucrative microtransactions have become and that’s the direction they’ve been taking this game. 3700 hours I’ve watched this game decline year after year. I finally got off the hamster wheel shortly after lightfall and honestly, I’m glad I got to experience destiny before it became the mutilated bs it is today.
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I think Riven's Lair is essentially the same as The Coil is because for story progression, they don't want you to have to go through all four rounds of the Coil to progress (and they couldn't make the quest tick off at the end of loop one since the activity hasn't ended yet), so they made Riven's Lair as a way to have people just run one loop of The Coil and have the activity end so as not to have them run a potentially hour-long activity for seasonal quest progress. For story, they intend that you run Lair, for loot, they intend you run Coil. Most players' playtime through this activity will most likely be in the longer (and more rewarding) Coil.
Hey. Ya. I thought I joined the wrong event. Spike traps trash. Kept loading in with same left hand door with the toxic traps. Gave up.
the fact that I remembered the release date for season of the wish ONLY thanks to joe blackburn's dev update just shows how much I fell out of love for this game, and it makes me sad to think about
Id say the season isnt bad (yet) but i think that its the community and bungie relationship thats on the edge. Right now were in the most lowest point in destiny and in the reconciliation phase of the abusive relationship. Bungie is baseically saying "pls give us more time we will change we will fix everything". We are in an abusive relationship with bungie and its gonna take alot of effort from bungie for the cycle to end.
You seem to forget curse of Osiris lol
@franciscoarias7543 nah this is actually worse than Curse of Osiris
@@franciscoarias7543 nah curse at least stayed after it launched unlike seasonal content that gets taken away
every single season has been mediocre at best for a while now, but FUCKING BLIND WELL ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
@@titanjakob1056 then go play Curse right now. Oh wait, you can't. 😂
Man, I really feel bad for ole gummy Joe. The corporate bigwigs just parade him out there every time the shit hits the fan.
I think the last time I was happy was 5 minutes before my friend told me about a game he got for Christmas…over ten years ago in a middle school hallway, I believe the game he said it was was destiny.
I honestly think most of the Destiny Community need to take a break for a season. If ur able to drop the FOMO and just accept losing the armor OR just getting the seasonal armor and then dropping it and coming back next season it really makes the game fun again. Burnout is the problem but nobody wants to accept that.
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Yeah most of the community has quit the game, 25% of what it was during lightfall lol, they just never come back
I tried this in Last seazon and i stay tired yet.
True
Whiteknighting is the problem
God I wish we could go back to seasons like black armory where it was NEVER boring or dry.
The forges would make so much more sense for crafting instead of chasing red borders
The reason crafting takes the wind out of the sails of random dropped loot is because the perk pools of drops and crafts are the same. If dropped loot had different available godrolls to their crafted variants, then maybe we'd see a reason to grinding for drops.
Can we please talk about sidearm as the only artifact barrier popper??
Yea but theres like 3 easy ways to get radiant
Tons of ways to get radiant, and probably a point of emphasis for Wishender (considering its a signature weapon from the dreaming city).
I haven't touched d2 since the arrival of the pyramids because of the monetization, but at this point I'm ready to head back to D1 lol
I knew that no one played at the start of the season when the good old “one moment please” didn’t come up and didn’t have to wait 6 hours to get in.
Its funny how upper management keeps making the same mistakes over and over and over again
Season of seraph was pretty peak in retrospect, this does not give me a lot of hope and neither did last season, I’m gonna hold off until some solid time has been had with the activities
Yeah no season of seraph was way worse than this season 😂
@@bigounce8301 Well I had fun, this season could surprise me still
@@bigounce8301🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 season of seraph was peak
12:20 That warlock almost seems to have deliberately triggered the spikes to kill the person behind them
How in the fuck did we get here? It is insane how bungie manages to dissapoint in almost all aspects since lightfall.
I want forsaken bungie back
I want halo 3 bungie back.
I want crack
I want iron banner bungie back because legit that expansion slapped lol
If the 15th wish was something that we had to find organically that would have been a huge W for bungie. Just handing it to us sucks. They could have used savathuns wings to start us off. Then have the rest be found organically.
And by organically you mean we find the start and its datamined in a day
Ok. We spend 5 weeks finding bits of the wish. Then what? How do we make the wish? Wish wall? Seems pretty lame for the end of a story to end with us just entering a code in. We get Riven back this way, a unique character comes back into the mix.
Pretty much feels like a meh season but definitely like The Coil, feels just right on difficulty for once so hopefully the Dungeon will be the same and not breaking records on boss health again
Same, i thought the coil is fun and just challenging enough for me with other players. Im not an expert at the game, but i like the arcade progression of the coil arena.
Im not a veteran who has history with this game like many others, so its hard to feel their disappointment, but i can see why there are complaints.
What i thought was also pretty nice is the geralt skin.
It’s been ONE day
ONE
And we ALREADY know how this is gonna go down
THAT says a LOT
Well atleast I know i can take a 5 month break before completing everything in a few days.
@@Suigeneris999 that’s honestly the strat
Especially when seasonal challenges are all basically the same thing it’s better to just do them all at once
But ngl it might not even be worth it cuz more and more items are for silver only
lol I waited the ENTIRE season just to get the swarmers ornament as that was the only item I even wanted
If they keep this up I’ll be a bright dust millionaire
And a real life millionaire too cuz I ain’t buying shit
i feel like instead of doing the whole " get my eggs " thing it could have been a " go kill Shcold" the Ancient Ahamkara and he'll be in a underground part of the dreaming city either sleeping or waiting for a challenger. riven would have us kill him and then she would grant the wish.
Except she was the last ahamkara. The vanguard and awoken were pretty heavy about that
@@ThePresidentofMarsI think the phrase was last "KNOWN" Ahamkara... So yeah that could have easily been pushed aside for an Ahamkara that was smart and hid itself away
@garbagegnomeking dont wish dragons feed on peoples desires, even if it was an old one, it would still need to feed.
@@ThePresidentofMars well, while you could be right, A). If it's smart there's a way it could have prepared itself. B). I don't know if there's a lore piece that says they die if they don't feed on someone's wants. I mean riven was locked up during the taken war and never had anything to feed on to my knowledge.
@garbagegnomeking this is just my speculation but even though mara used the wish wall to prevent riven from twisting her intentions, they were still her desires.
It's the players that have done this. We preordered, we bought everything they gave us. They increased price, they gave us less and less, they added more microtransactions and we just kept buying. We should have demanded Luke Smith be yanked way back. Remember when we thought the greed came from activision? Destiny 1 was great and enjoyable. I didn't complain. There were issues but the content was enjoyable most of us were still happy with what we got for our money.
The biggest reason that has kept me from playing the recent seasons is how none of the guns have any remotely useful perk combos
The same reason i think haunted was one of the best seasons we got in the past 2 years because almost all of the guns actually see high use in pve or pvp compared to deep, witch and wish
Where i honestly didnt bother to to craft a single gun that didnt come out of a raid or dungeon
I feel the same. Stopped playing during season 21 and couldn't be bothered with the majority of all the new guns (I still really enjoyed a couple of them). Even the exotic weapons are pretty forgettable, I still was mostly using exotic weapons from season 10 and older, and only about 3 from newer seasons.
I'm disappointed because the 15th wish deserved to be something cool, not feeling like a "quick, how can we try to make the community forget about the lay offs and delays?"
It's a waste. We've waited for the 15th wish SO LONG. It shouldn't be just average.
i cant blame the community for being unhappy. we have many reasons to be. and its sad whats happened to the game, so close to the end of the light/dark storyline.
I swear the D2 community has the largest and most severe case of Stockholm Syndrome behind the COD community
Hot take but I think potentially a good way to fix how crafting kills the hunt for loot is making it so that you only unlock the perks that that one deepsight weapon comes with.
For example: you’ve never gotten a red border Age Old Bond before, and you finally get one that’s a red border and it has let’s say Dragonfly and Kill Clip. When you delete it or obtain the deepsight from it, you instantly unlock the pattern, but only have those perks unlocked. That way you have to unlock new perks for your crafted weapon by finding more red borders with new perks on them. And then maybe once you unlock all the perks for a weapon that way, then you gain access to the enhanced perks.
Tweak it in a way that makes it actually feel like you are crafting something from mismatched parts of other guns!
Couldn't agree more. Some of the craftable weapons are so good that it makes any other weapon of the same type useless to grind for. Most of the loot pool is useless. You dismantle everything for legendary shards but now even that's going away. But at least we have 7 freaking months to get rid of them.
Nah that's dog shit because you could get 100 borders in a row that never have that combo your looking for. The current iteration is fine they could do well to touch up on it and make crafting actually customizable. Multiple rows of perks for example idk why that hasn't ever been done despite constant asking for it
the community is never happy but i never really care about reviews or what other people say about a game i play, i only really worry about what i think of the game or ill look into a game if i may find interest into it
This is the first seasonal activity ive actually enjoyed grinding in awhile. Im still upset over past events but that doesnt detract from the fact being the seasonal stuff this season being challenging, fun, and rewarding.
i enjoy it too. guess we are the outliers
I enjoy it too. I'm convinced Bungie just can't win. No matter what they do, people just will complain bc its the popular thing to do right now.
nah b i stopped playing bc of all the bullshit, not because it was "popular" to do@@lazygamersinc1634
i didnt really think any of this, for me it was:
- rivens walk (or whatever it was called) is a fun lil thing that i probably wont touch, but is cool
- the coil is basically a horde mode that kicks your ass, and i love that. this is amazing
- riven ghost is pog
- riven said nuh uh, we're just fucked then i guess :/
- bungie gave up trying to hide things and you can see what should be hidden by looking out the window in the helm, which i love because i love looking at any Behind the Scenes stuff
- weapons look cool, but i wont be using them because i yet again have no reason to chase after them (but i do have my eyes on that trace tho)
- looking foward to see how things pan out later on, and how the dungeon is, because from the popup ingame that showed a pic of where it'll be set, im excited for that!
- got given a reason to run blind well, which is fine by me, that shit fun asf
but now that youve said all of this, i cant help but just feel sad, for me this season looks pretty good, but i guess to the wider community its just really shit, plus with the poison in the air from all the corpo stuff isnt really helping overall morale. im sad to hear corpo bungie is still being the same, but i have hope for the devs. they are the people, not the suits. they make games they want to play, and i hope their light shines through the suffocating shadow that is the higher ups
im here till the end, how about you?
Y’all have to just accept that it’s over and it ended a long time ago
You summed up the red border/loot grind perfectly, got every season of the witch patterns and I didn't use any of them once.
I definitely disagree. The light event they’re referring to definilty wasn’t delayed. It most certainly is in the early stages, and will be cobbled together to give the players something to do so they don’t drop the game, which they are already doing.
The season just started…Jesus Christ people have no chill
Pretty bummed out that we didn’t get a new exotic armor piece. I’ll give it a week before I decide if this season is even fun to begin with.
yeah and it only looks like we're getting 3 new exotic weapons this season with the strand bow, dragons breath, and dungeon exotic
the bow does look pretty fun to use though and it comes from a mission i think
I don't want to clock in to destiny to be told what's going on in the story & not experience it myself.
That sentence captures the essence of why the in game narrative is D-tier.
what would have been really cool was the 15 wish thing being added the last week of Witch and not several weeks before. this way people rush over to the wish wall and that launches the season the next week. Maybe doing the wish triggers the trailer to drop that day and such. but instead we get a delay annoucment to dampen our mood for a new season that is ready to dissapoint us with more poor buisness choices
I thought the EXACT same thing when i saw the new witcher armour set… ‘why the hell wasnt this just iron banner armour!’ 🤦🏽♂️
I feel this is the higher-up's fault for this low. With all the news coming out since the layoffs, the communities were reaching a boiling point, especially with no delay announcement until the start of this season. IMO still waiting for Pete Parson's apology as HE along with all the other executives were responsible for the blunders the community have faced recently, the mediocre seasons, increases in the Eververse store, DLC + Expansion payments, buggy launches and of course the Lightfall letdown, the main reason for the low we've reached. Which is why I'm hoping Bungie wins the best community award as I WANT PARSON to accept it AND FORMALLY APOLOGISE and if he doesn't I will still wait for that apology before I buy the Final Shape. If the head of your main game Destiny 2 can come out and apologise for your tone-deaf executive decisions then I'm sure you can hop off your high horse to say "I'm Sorry". But hey if he doesn't want people to play the game just say so.
It's sad they didn't come out with a good explanation why they delayed last wish and marathon and played off a bunch of employees leaving us in the dark. It's almost like Bungie doesn't care anymore and is consumed by microtransaction greed and it's only going to get worse.
@kingebin9830 yes I was there that long, been here since d1 beta but that's not what were talking about now. I even remember when Peter Dinklage was specifically told to act like a robot when voicing ghost and he was fired for "under performance" even though he did what they told him to do. I know this game is a mess and scrapt the original story. I even know that Lightfall's dlc was rushed too, and I think they had to scrap that story too. Bungie is consumed by greed and Activation had it under control, now it's just sad.
logged on when i updated, instantly got multiple quest, pretty sure the dreaming city now has 4+ quests in my director, how fun.
I don't think that the delay of TFS is due to "wanting to give the best experience". I kinda believe the rumor that it was delayed so that sales will fall into another fiscal quarter and not impact sony's financials as much. I think this rumor is true due to how they were talking about TFS during the showcase. I feel if you really care about your product then you would know well enough in advance if it was going to have issues/ not meet deadlines when you were playtesting.
Also I love how the showcase did it's job to make people shut up with their complaints only to have the silence thrown away with the decisions afterwards.
I’m happy and Grateful everyday. Destiny 2 is just one game.
they should've given us a cool gift or something with the season drop like a free materials pack and some shaders as a peace offering
Free? Yea right you realize this is destiny 2 right
The actual season activity is a lot of fun with tons of loot. Holding judgement until I see the dungeon and exotic quest.
I'm happy. I really like coils. Season of the deep and season of the witch were two of the best seasons destiny's ever had in regard to actual content, but everyone's so busy being over dramatic little girls, they can't get over themselves
Ppl are gonna continue to hate this game has seen better days but it’s a day into the season the sandbox is fun imo but content creators get more views by hating on the game unless bungie does some insanely good so they’ll continue and majority of d2 players don’t know how to form their own opinion and just repeat whatever they here from the ppl they follow and it’s always been that way content creators control everything in destiny
I'm a crafting advocate, I prefer it 100%, for 2 big reasons,
- 1: Getting a god roll on the main perks for seasonal weapons was never that time-consuming if you ignore the barrels, mags, & masterwork, I'd settle on the primary perks because grinding EVERYTHING perfect just felt like a waste, crafting makes it so I don't HAVE to spend what could be over a year getting one roll, like Jorums Claw from Iron Banner, I spent EVERY IB since it came out trying to get Gut-shot Straight & Headseeker, at some point I decided I'm gonna get it whether it's good or not, just because it's the only pulse with that combo, after over a minimum of 1000 engrams, I FINALLY got it, just as Multimach & Tusk of the Boar came out, it's all right.
- 2: Needing to level up weapons makes me actually use them to see if I like them, rather than trying it for 5 mins and trashing it if I don't, I also refuse to level up my weapons unless they have REALLY good perks I plan to use and am in the Enclave already and like 1 level away.
Destiny community try to be happy challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I can understand why people are mad about the starter pack but the season just fucking started and people already complaining about the content you don’t know if it’s going to change week to week
I'm enjoying the new season. Idc what others think, the game will continue with or without you. I have thousands of hours into destiny as a whole and almost 3k into D2 on steam alone. I'm enjoying this season.
Happy to see this. The Destiny community(not as a whole) but the large number of toxic players that's what's tearing things apart. I'm pretty grossed out by it
@@grizzlybehr1902 I play the game with my friends and family. My needs and wants will never be addressed. I'm going with the flow of the game. I'm a consumer not the maker. They can do what they wish to do with said game and I'll still play it. The community is not why I play the game. People can be as toxic about the game as they want and it'll still leave me unaffected by it. People always want more. There will never ever be a perfect game that exists. Ever.
damn, didn't even realize there was a new season, I'd love to do the dungeon, but nothing you have said has made me feel good about Destiny at all :(
hey evan, jus wanna let u know ur my fav video essay content creator on this platform, and ask that u continue making videos like these, its interesting listening to them while playing a game
thank you
$20 1 character ornament set should say it all. and to add to the weapon bit. seriously all of them are just weapons we had previously with a little model touch up. the only weapon that looks good is the shotgun.
OHH!? Now I understand why I was able to get into the game for the first time ever without any tragic issues:)
I’m not joking by the way, every expansion, every season, I have had to wait through traffic before being able to play, but not this seasons. That is wild to me and was something I noticed immediately upon starting the game.
That “bungie wake the fuck up” hit me bro I didn’t expect that
Havent touched d2 ina few months and this season feels great so far
Clocked 10 years from destiny 1 and destiny 2. I left destiny to play other games like baldur's gate 3 and im currently waiting on first descendant. I wish you guardians the best.
Me personally im digging the new season, i especially like The Coil. It keeps me busy
This is so insufferable. Not the season, thats whatever. This community is insufferable.
This is no exoneration of all this bungie has done in terms of monteziation, ETC. That is entirely divorced though from how annoying this community is.
Like, Evan, look over your script. You literally say:
"Red Borders are annoying to grind for" which, true, but then follow that up with:
"You need to either fully commit to making weapons craftable, fully flesh out the crafting system, or remove it all together" ok... so 3 options:
Every weapon craftable: I don't know what this would acomplish frankly.
Fully flesh out crafting: Well, like what? We have control over every aspect of the weapon roll. What about it feels not fleshed out?
Remove it all together: This is just a HORRIBLE idea. This accomplishes nothing. Thats it.
I really find it annoying how this community will make suggestions that they wouldnt even like if they came true. I know that because then later in the same script as these non-specific statements you say:
"I actually like the blend of crafted and non-crafted weapons."
Bruh.
Yes community sentiment is at its lowest, but people when people point to non-issues, it takes away from real issues.
That doesn't even include the fact the all of the loudest people complaining, are frankly the people least likely to change their play habits wether its starting or stopping plaging. Like looking at all the comments of people saying they havent played since 2019 for example. We are including the opinions of people who have not played the game in over 3 years in "Community Feedback regarding the game". Theyre not coming back, and the others complaining the most are the people who PLAY EVERY SINGLE DAY.
NEWS FLASH:
CRAFTING WEAPONS BEING ANNOYOING TO GET IS BECAUSE YOU CONVINCED YOUSELF YOU NEED TO GET THEM!
YOU'D BE COMPLAINING THE EXACT SAME WAY IF YOU WERE CHASING A GOD ROLL THAT WOULDNT DROP.
I have craftable weapons with decent rolls, that I will NEVER care to get crafted. So why should I care about grinding for red borders?
Please, everybody do some friggin introspection. I dont care about this needless bickering over shit that does not matter. If bungie does something that bothers me, I'll just stop playing and find a game I like, thats it. If I feel theres a reason for me to come back, I will. I understand my relationship to this game.
Im tired of people who either stopped playing long ago, and have no intention of ever returning, and people that have no intention to ever stop playing, to whine with no end.
Have a good day everybody, take care and stay safe.
I might actually make a video on my perspective on this season. I was pretty hopeful for Bungie and I am pretty let down. Lots of concerns I didn't expect to have. Haven't done content creation in about a decade, but I feel like giving it a go just so I can put it out there and hope bungie sees it and takes it into consideration.
Good luck. Would love to see it if you do
Ever since I unlocked the ability to Craft, I just can't enjoy dropped guns anymore, unless it's an exotic.
The Random Loot system just doesn't feel necessary and should just commit to full crafting since a gun you make feels better than a gun you find.
There are three things I like in this season so far and only THREE!
1. Playing The Coil solo and messing with builds
2. Dragon's Breath (I dunno, I just like it)
3. That new strand fusion
There are zero things i like in this season. ... no like seriously. Like the only thing I like is how the comp emblem looks... ... nothing else. at all
@@akvza7503then you got some horrible standards buddy, but we all have our opinions
Just my opinion, but Destiny community is one of the most toxic and cringe echo chamber that I have EVER had to experience.
From the raids, to high level co-op events, its just soooooooooooooooooo bad.
I don't understand how people can still be playing this, please!!! PLEASE Go by baulders gate 3 for god sakes. You deserver to play and ACTUAL video game.
Exactly why I don't play with many people anymore.
We're 1 DAY IN and people are already b*tching like crazy. The toxicity of the Destiny community is what's killing the game, it's really pathetic. Been a player for 10yrs or so and have never seen a group of gamers that treat each other and the developers like such f***ing garbage instead of embracing each other, helping people or just trying to have fun with each other.
The community is tearing the community apart, Bungie "the business" is not. We've literally been dealing with this for years. People are still going to buy sh*t!
Trashing each other, the game and the people who work on it (aside from maybe marketing) isn't doing a god damn thing but make all of our experience worse for it.
I'm pretty disgusted with what the community has BECOME.
Wasn't always like this and has definitely fallen from grace.
I know it's not all of you, but there's a massive number these days
And remember, WE'VE ONLY HAD THE SEASON FOR 1 DAY
Chill the f*** out people or go play other titles. So tired of this constant baby bullsh*t
yeah I agree. Bungie is still a shitty corporate company but for as long as I can remember, this community has been so fucking toxic, and even if some of it was deserved, it's so tiring. I know its a minority but they won't shut their fucking mouths
this gotta be a copy pasta
Amazing troll post 10/10 almost had me.
As someone who has been with Destiny since the Open Beta for D1 thank you.
The community really is full of toxic people and cry babies.
Like you said the season literally dropped yesterday. People need to give it time so that the story can develop.
I'm so sick and tired of people blaming the Bungo Devs when sometimes it isn't their fault.
People just want to hate because they live sad pathetic life's.
@@truv_ copy pasta? I'm 32yrs old and think for myself thanks 👍
It felt kinda shit that they told is that the wish was always in the game and now they just introduced a new symbol… and it wasnt even a riddle, it was impossible to fuck the wish up.
This same sentiment occurred with seraph last year and it turned out to be one of the best seasons, week one out of a seven month season is to early imo. I like how they are trying new things with the activity this time around.
I somewhat agree with this. Maybe we have to wait for things to be good and also for the people who are complaining about blind well, SHUT THE F@#$ UP. I liked doing it because it gave me more enhancement cores than a nightfall and I haven't played it in a while. I thought the first week was meh as well and I don't like the whole maguffin story telling and we have to wait for byf to make a video so we can have an opinion since we don't know how to make one.
Blind well is probably my most played activity in this game and I’m happy that it now gives enhancement cores
I have a feeling this entire year was mostly a last minute “slap together” expansion; that they felt they needed to cram in. This would maybe explain the high amount of re-skinned weapons, and strand really being the only thing unique and new aside from Neomuna. Yes there are some new perks here and there, but hopefully the delay with TFS will bring a ton of new unique items and experiences. One can only hope.
it's been like 2 days and it's already hell, new record for D2
Update: Bungie has removed the starter pack from the steam store, I think giving it to anyone who owns D2 would be fire!
If you wanna have actual talks about the game without the YT wall come to my discord
HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS ON THE TOILET?!?!?
Nobody agree with evanf1997 with removing crafting because he has bad takes
Regardless what Bungie does, the damage has been done. I'm upset at them but also upset at the community and guess what, from a content creator (won't say name) found out that you all get silver to promote cosmetics from the store. So I blame Bungie for corporate greed, the community for being cash cows, and content creators for saying one thing but still promoting that monetization practices from Bungie.
@@12SlimJims Bungie has lied a lot over the years. Their past cases of clearly misleading and deceiving their player base is not forgotten. They took their best employees and put them on a different game. Vicarious Visions and High Moon Studios did a great job. They are gone forever. You can't snap your fingers and replace dozens if not hundreds of good people.
Who is the "community"..... streamers ? and the consistent people who repeat the same complaint on the internet ?...The majority of people are playing
Bungie: you are the melee class
Also Bungie: stop using melee
Honestly, playing diablo has reinforced my thought that sunsetting isnt bad, just executed poorly.
Give all guns (maybe not armor) a hard cap that it can not be infused byond and have a special etheric light that can be used to bring a gun up to the current lvl cap with those orbs only being given in trials end matches (the last 2 with a 15% drop) and master raid and grandmaster nightfall at 10% each
Craftable weapons also need to be weakened.
Crafting killed d2 tbh when it comes to the want to grind, it should've been kept exclusively to raids and dungeons
World hunger could be solved before the destiny community is happy about something
People still playing destiny 2, who have high hopes for whatever future is left for this schitt show of a game don't have any self respect
Man I am so tired of seeing video after video after video of people just trashing Bungie for every single thing they do. I've been having a good time playing and trying out the new stuff and even going back to the dreaming city (one of my favorite locations). But I guess drama gets clicks. And this isn't coming from some day 1 blueberry, I've got over 10,000 hours in the game and for a commumity that wants and needs new lights to jump in the game they do a really good job of turning people off it possibly before they've even tried it.
Agreed give the season a shot. Ive been enjoying it even with the nerfs. Just go in and shoot things thats all im about. Ps. 5k hours in still playing strong. Some people just need a break or play something else. This community is getting tiresome of hearing
Right?! It's been 1 F***ING DAY!!!! The "hate/screw Bungie" side of the community is ruining the experience for so many people. It's really sad to see where the community is right now and content creators being their beacon of rage and hate instead of trying to push any sort of positive influence to move in a better course direction.
I'm really happy to see these couple of comments and reminds me that there are still a few of us out here and not feeling this way alone 🤙 keep killin it Guardians
So far this season is the exact same as last season - complete weekly story mission, do weekly xp quests ,etc at this point I just get to rank 100 and just wait for the season to be over
I use to be addicted to playing Destiny 2, Played it for like 5 minutes yesterday, then They wanted me to pay, so I said Okay, pressed Escape clicked on Exit to Desktop, and I feel a lot better now. Thank you Bungie Management, by making this Wish of The Final Greed during this festival of the give us your money, It has greatly killed any passion I had for this game.
This was the season Joe told us we would really need the seasonal shake up. We got blind well. Almost every weapon they’ve made since forbearance has either been a reskin or a worse version of something we already have so there’s been nothing to chase. The only chase weapon I can think of is immortal. The only problem with weapon crafting is people thinking every gun that doesn’t have an enhanced perk is trash so you absolutely have to use crafted weapons when almost all of the enhanced perks do nothing extra. The only one that actually makes a noticeable difference is enhanced surrounded. They’ve lied about almost everything they’ve told us since witch queen. How are we supposed to be hyped for final shape when the game director lies to our face and they have to delay final shape for not being good enough.
All i know is that my prototype for d2 weapon crafting was near perfect and infinetley better than what we got. It still respected the grind.
As a returning player from years ago, I knew I had to start from scratch, but I was excited to see a new season starting about a week later so I just waited. I had forgotten you had to buy the season otherwise you can’t really enjoy anything new. What made it worse was the only players I met immediately wanted to do raids that I just… cant do because I don’t wanna pay for all the dlcs. I started looking up why all the old content was just gone and finding out about the sunsets. Wow. Then all I can do this season is just Blind Well. The game is geezer age. I shouldn’t have to revisit it and be met with multiple pay walls. I get paying for an experience if I enjoyed it. But strikes, gambit, and crucible with the Eternal loot island just doesn’t feel like anything. Especially with nobody even talking in voice 99% of the time. Uninstalled. Hope Bungie can do something, but I highly doubt it so I won’t waste my time.
What you said about crafting is how i felt since day one of the witch queen. Juste remove the whole thing or make random drops relevant.
The biggest thing that made me delete Destiny, was the final dlc price, myself and my wife obsoletely love playing Destiny! it's been our game to play together for years, but that fact that it's going to cost us 200$ usd for both of us to play the new dlc and have the season pass is absolutely atrocious, it's huge money grab and the fact that Bungie continues to just laugh in the communities face is disgusting. I've been a Destiny fan since the beta for Destiny 1, and now I can't stomach getting on anymore, so to Bungie, thanks for losing another die hard fan. and to Evan, keep up the great content man, you're humble as hell and an amazing person!
Why did it cost 200 bucks? Aren't you game sharing?
When I was asked to do blindwells yet again not even an hour in to day one of a "new season" I just logged out. I'm good. Screw this.
Three times I tried playing, 3 times the server disconnected me at the end of my quest objective. First time was the mission, then was the activity, then at the end of the blind well. I hate wasting 15-30 minutes and then going back to start over
I like crafting I don’t like spending my time in an activity I don’t want to falling sleep, I just want a way to grind the gun and the perks I want to use it in the activities I want
Evan, listen to me. You should've mentioned this: The loot from the seasonal activity "Coil" from beginning to end is the same loot that I get from opening seasonal engrams. Why are there no special weapons for beating the hardest stages, or just different perks or something? Where is the incentive to grind? There is none. Just farm random stuff and lazily spam my button to open all 99 engrams for red borders.
I just thought this would've been a good example to show the boringness of the season. Love your videos, keep doing what you do.