German-Capture 1910 Russian Maxim in 8x57
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This is a very interesting WW1 heavy machine gun. It is a Russian M1910 Maxim that was repaired at some point using the brass jacket from a 1905 Russian Maxim. This may have been done by Russians or buy Germans, as the gun was also captured by German forces at some point and refitted to use German 8x57mm ammunition. We can see the changes made to do this - the "S" marking on the top cover to indicate 8mm, the changes to the feed block and the fitting of a German MG08 lock as well as a German optics mounting bracket. The mount, however, is a very rare WW1 pattern Russian Sokolov mount with both wheels and tripod legs. These tripods would be simplified after the war to remove the legs, and finding a WW1-pattern example intact is quite difficult today.
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exactly, the real winners in the first world war were krupps and armstrong. :)
Sponsoring both sides in a conflict makes sure you are on the winning side.
Stonks
Whole reason it was built was another person gave him advice to build something that’ll help Europeans kill each other.
@@derekmenzies6856
Don't forget Vickers, they became a dynasty because of the arms trade.
The guns were close cousins, much like the King, the Czar, and the Kaiser.
Brass is easy to work with Im planning there is a vid on you tube of a guy making an ar 10 reciver from empty shells.
this makes the whole affair even sadder 😔
1:29 I was about to point out this and your comment came up 😂
"Velcome to hydraulic press channel, today ve vill crush Russian Maxim feed block. It is very dangerous, and can attack at any time. So ve must deal vit it."
THIS!!!
Belly laugh!
"Willkommen im hydraulischen Pressenkanal, heute werden wir den russischen Maxim-Futterblock zerkleinern. Er ist sehr gefährlich und kann jederzeit angreifen. Wir müssen uns also darum kümmern." (Just because I can and you dared! ;P)
The aesthetic of Maxim guns never fails to always look good 👌🏻
the water cooling just has something to it
They remind me of old timey sowing machines.
There is a real beauty to such historical weapons. Machined steel, brass, the wooden furniture on bolt action rifles, they are like artwork.
"Why is there an S on your machine gun?"
"In my language it means hope."
Kai-Ser Son of Prussia
In WWII, Australia collected souvenir MG08 from RSL halls, and converted them to .303 for use by the VDF ( Volunteer Defence Force).Some MG08/15 were also converted by New Zealand.
Very rare today ( after WWII, most destroyed or badly deactivated by removal of working parts and Welding)
The sokolov mount is honestly one of the best multi function mg mounts I've ever seen
The last time I was this early to a forgotten weapons the firearm was still in product
I wonder how many guns were captured, converted, recaptured and converted back?
quite a few I'd wager
Sometimes it didn't even do that sometimes they just recaptured the gun and said there's no time and just threw it back on the line and said if you ran out of ammo write a requisition order with your local captured ammunition storage
Probably more common that they were captured, used with captured ammunition and then recaptured etc.
It happened a lot. Sometimes they didn't even bother converting and used captured ammo. I've seen a photograph of a belgian field gun that was captured by the Germans at the start of the war, lost to the Russians, had it's carriage swapped to a Russian one, recaptured by the Germans and lost to the French during the 100 days...
the quality of those components are clearly a series step above. seriously good machining
Ian you need to do a Karma Sutra of Maxim tripod positions, there is bits on my Sokolov mount that I have still not figured out 100% what they do.
Honestly the steel and brass barrel enclosure is surprisingly nice looking on it
If guns like this don't express how desperate a fight WWI was I don't know what will.
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I love these old guns...favorite has to be the Lewis, though. I'd love to see a .303 Lewis converted to 7.62x54R.
There are actually some factory-made 7.62x54R Lewis gun out there, made for Russia.
@@ForgottenWeapons Sweet! Both fun *and* cheap to shoot!
To this day, I'm still amazed when I open a Forgotten Weapons video and it has 1500+ likes and only 8 dislikes. That's damn good.
I'm so happy I found this channel. A lot of games I play use these guns and try to stay historically accurate but this has proven so many wrong and made me learn so much
This looks much like a National Guard armory. So many of these guns were captured and brought back to the states - and still reside in state Army National Guard armories.
Awesome video. I can't imagine how you gained this staggering amount of knowledge, it's super impressive
Sean Bailin his library of books on the subjects.
Quite fascinating the precision engineering that was in use at the beginning of the 20th century. This type of engineering was still in use when I served a machine fitting apprenticeship in the 1970s only to almost disappear with computers and electronics.
ahh the goold old days, when machine guns were so big u needed wheels to move them around
Actually surprised at how copper colored the barrel cover and water cooling mechanism looks like from the outside. Definitely unexpected, considering most maxims ive seen have green paint over the barrel. This is at first glance, will watch now. EDIT1: It's just due to the brass conversion the german engineers pulled off.
9:53 "That's just a wheel, what's so interesting about tha-? Oooh! That's pretty neat!"
Ton of history in that Maxim, thanks for sharing.
Yet another well done video, on a staple of the Heavy MG world! Its always work but its good work, sir.
My go-to open carry gun
*open ferry
In WW1 the machine guns were mutch bigger and used more in bunkers and hideout position then in WW2 machine guns were mutch more compfortable to carry around with
They still got reused in WW2, either issued out to second line units and internal security or put in fortifications especially the Atlantic wall, theres a good few men dead on Omaha beach to WW1 vintage MG08s.
They were commonly used in guard towers in prison camps as well
Awesome Ian. Love the maxim.
Very close cousins? Sounds like the British, German and Russian Royal Families!
and pretty much the rest of europe except the ottoman.
Hapsburg was certainly a playa
@@derptank3308 a bit player but Wilhelm II of Hohenzollern was Queen Victoria's oldest and favourite grandson. She even died in his arms.
Always something interesting thanks for the information keep up the great work
the wonderful world of maxim mounts
Good job with the videos everyday keep it up
Thank you , Ian .
I got to visit the "Armory" in Kyiv where some of these were made, a building that still has its bullet holes and Wild history.
Look it up if you git a chance.
Surely at present in Kyiv history visits you?
@Мармеладов ТВ
The history of the Kyiv Armory as it was told to me by the Masters of the Armory was about how the workers Valiantly defended the Armory from the reds until the ammo ran out when the reds then hung all the workers who had survived the assault at the front of the building as a warning, only later did the reds realize that they had killed everyone who new how to operate the Armory or even repair those guns that they had confiscated from the Kyiv Armory.
I wonder if any of those gun got back and forth between nations and got converted multiple times.
The history of these weapons of war are truly amazing, the engineering, the people that used them, so important to keep these things around.
Makes you wonder what the record is for how many times one of these guns was passed around back and forth and refitted.
This is my ultimate want and a Spandau 05/08. Very , very NICE! Total museum piece. Incredible!!!
hey ian, can you find the German Knötgen M1911 automatic rifle ? i've been trying to find it for months now. -
This gun seems like it has quite a lot of history behind it. Russian Maxim, captured by the Germans and fitted with a rare Russian mount along with a brass water jacket. Kept in Nazi inventory and probably used in WW2 before being captured by a GI and brought to the US. Well traveled to say the least
1:55 I can't see the text above the emblem, but under the one is "3 лин. ПУЛЕМЕТЪ" - "3 line MACHINEGUN" (1 line = 2.54 mm)
Т. И.П.В.о.5. (last two are maybe 0.5. i'm not sure)
@@fus132 Т. И.П.В.О.З. - Тульский Императора Петра Великого Оружейный Завод (Tula Emperor Peter the Great Weapon Plant)
now it's not forgetten 💪
Really wish I had the money and permits to get that thing. It would be one hell of an attention getter at a range or historic event.
Love the videos where Ian has to sit....😊👍🏼
Cousin guns for the cousins Kaiser, King and Tsar I guess makes sense. And lovely turnover as well
How did i miss this video 4 years ago?
Very unusual gun, I have a 1944 dated PM1910 and they look impressive on the Sokolov mount.
You personally own a PM 1910? If only the rest of the world's firearm laws were as loose as yours
@@B52Stratofortress1 Our weapon laws are weird, I also own a PTRD 41
I've got an sg43, I just got to figure out how it goes together lol
@@silverfingerthesilverstack5062 country?
@@therideneverends1697 Not telling you will try and steal my precious lol
Is that a huge gun, or are you just happy to see me?
Hannah Dang haha ulol!
cant it be both?
It's a huge gun, now quit joking around theres germans afoot!
I love this video
Are you up to making a video on the craziness of cartridge nomenclature? Many might not understand the difference between 'rimmed' and 'rimless' cartridges, not to mention all the other obscure and arcane terms that describe metallic cartridges...
Do you know of anywhere that has a german captured vickers gun?
Oh the stories that machine could tell.
Perfect for home defense.
«Вещь! Настоящий? Чапаевский... Во были времена!..»
Большие города....
Awesome!
Welp, know what *I* want for Christmas!
I love this intro
I'd like to see one of Vickers Gun conversions.
The modified action would have meant that the Germans couldn't just install standard Maxim parts.
Whats the purpose of the large round disc lookin washer thing on the barrel behind the flashhider?
Can you do a video on the Kord 12.7mm?
Wasn't your old Vickers able to be converted to three different calibers?
Probably the pride and joy of some Volksturm platoon in a small town.
Sokolov mount? It doesn't have augers and rocket engines though
Think about how many bodies this thing has on it.
Did they retrofit a scope mount that wouldn't work? If so, why would they do that?
The axle/beam for the wheels screams K'Nex.
Very cool
Is there a conceal carry version ?
The water jacket was probably replaced by the Germans. The water jackets that the Russians used on their Maxims have giant fill ports on the top. This both made it easier to pour water in but also allowed chunks of snow or ice to be shoved in rather than just liquid water.
Those "tractor cap" jackets were introduced in WW2, copied form the Finns. They didn't exist in WW1.
MOST INTERESTING !!
A bit wierd that they mounted a scope mount but didn't cut an opening in the gun shield for it to be used. Unless the shield we see here is a replacement added later that is.
The shield is easily detached.
@@ForgottenWeapons thank you for the response! :)
I want to see a maxim updated for use in today's conflicts. Mounting rails etc.
That one didn't age quite so well.
I always wandered, Whats the point of the flat disk between the booster and flash hider?
The booster creates a significant amount of flash distinct form the muzzle, and the disk hides that.
@@ForgottenWeapons Ah, I didn't realize the booster was ported. I thought it was just a sealed chamber.
Most interesting part of the video isn't the gun, but the tripod :)
I wonder if there's a known record for the number of times a Maxim gun might have been captured, converted, and re-used while still being able to reasonable claim that it's the 'same' gun.
In my active duty time my second job was machine gunner. I was trained to use sights for targeting. In an real war i wouldn't use a sight , i would do it ... while shooting😁
Idk if Ian already addressed the issue but what's the indicator shown at 2:00? (I know what they're for on MG08/15s, I don't understand why bother putting one on 1910 Maxims)
Fusee spring tension adjustment. It's the same on all Maxim variants.
I see, thanks for answering
Im hoping to see a video on the fiat-revelli 1935
My legs! Arrrrrgh! Why for you cut them off!?! What did they ever do to you?
What is that plate for, in the end of the barrel?
Hides the flash generated by the muzzle booster.
Cool 😎.
Maxims were like European Pokemon cards.
Why....why put the scope mounting on *without* taking off the shield?
The shield is easily detached.
Please do a video on a M2 browning
And give the dimensions
Stamp S to assert dominance
Brass waterjacket, very poche.
Looks heavy... imagine the troops who carried that armament all around the battlefields
How did these do in the winter war? I have heard rumours that the water tank froze and was rendered useless
Firing the gun would melt the water, should it freeze.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks for the answer , thats what i thought as well
Does the barrel in a Maxim not recoil in the same way as on a Vickers gun when fired? I was discussing a similar issue with a Vickers collector, as I assumed firing would melt any ice that had formed, but he explained that if the water in the jacket had formed ice around the barrel then the gun would be unable to fire as the barrel couldn't recoil and the action cycle, so wouldn't be able to fire long enough to melt the ice. I know the British used antifreeze in the water for extreme cold conditions and water jackets would be protected or guns kept under cover and checked regularly by crews, so I assumed Maxim guns were treated much the same? I'd wonder if leaving the water jacket empty until it actually needed to be filled for sustained firing would also work, or whether that could leave just enough water residue in contact between parts to actually make things worse?
Didn't you wheel around riding this maxim in Instagram?
Maybe....
Wait I thought you were going to show us how one guy sets it up and takes it off the legs. 😅
Very interesting on the conversion part. I would imagine if a German battalion would have captured a Russian position and these Russian Maxims were left behind along with sufficient ammunition. Both German and Russian gunners if vice versa did the same during combat. Gunners of both sides would be trained on the same gun with slight differences use them in combat with no serious issues in training and employment in combat if the guns were still serviceable. I can now understand that the Germans who have captured damaged guns from the Russians and can be repaired to use their common service cartridge.
Would be great if you could make some videos about 6.5 Grendel and other 6mm calibers that could be used by modern militaries.
6.5 grendel isnt forgotten in the slightest, no matter how much I wish it was
@@grahamlopez6202 Why do you wish it would be forgotten?
6.5 caliber stuff has been a meme for over a decade now, it will continue to be hyped up by Manufacturers as the next best thing, no military will ever adopt it but a small portion of the civilian market will obsess over it for decades
Because I'm tired of hearing about it. Its just like .308 but smaller, but if I say that at the range I get a full sermon on how I need to try it because its apparently a round created by jesus christ himself
@@grahamlopez6202 Right... Now i am ever more convinced they need to make video about this, altough i thought i posted this message on Inrange channel where its better suited.
I want to see the gun firing with the wheels engaged, so it rolls backward.
Remember the time when Ian skated on one of those 😂
I demand a link 😫
I wonder why the Germans bothered to add a scope mount when the scope could not be used. I can imagine the armorer being delivered a conversion kit, and the mount was in there, and as a matter of routine he installed all the parts. But it seems like whoever designed the conversion kit would know the shield was there. Part of the standard process should have been to cut a notch out of the shield to enable use of the scope.
The sight mount was probably added so that the converted Maxims would be as close to the German standard as possible. And could be put onto any available mounting; German, Russian or British.
can it boil rice?
I wonder if any Austrian Schwartzloss guns got converted to 7.62 x 54R
That wasn’t a locking strap. It’s a mud flap.
"everyone look at the maxim stone age ... stone age..."
So, Hiram Maxim sold machine guns in different calibers to the different countries. Then he sold them conversion parts for when they captured each other's guns?
B F Can't do that anymore. They say that the monopoly is bad for consumers.