Anime girls are scary but we keep playing HoloCure

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  • @PierceArner
    @PierceArner 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +263

    Managing to rope Hat Films into the rabbit hole for so long really does speak well to Kay Yu & the team's work on HoloCure.

    • @MasacoMike
      @MasacoMike 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      There's no confirmation but Kay Yu probably noticed this lol

  • @KFP_Prophet
    @KFP_Prophet 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +155

    Funny thing about the big eyes: Even the largest eyes in anime tend to be smaller than most western cartoon eyes (Both in size and ratio to the head), the difference is actually the smaller mouths and eye to mouth ratio.

    • @KFP_Prophet
      @KFP_Prophet 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@soasertsus Yup think I've heard that too. Eyes get more detail in manga as well to make characters stand out even in black and white, alongside hair.

    • @PierceArner
      @PierceArner 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      I was the one in chat who tossed out the Disney reference during this stream, so figured I'd chime in.
      The research done wasn't by Disney directly, but occurred in the 1940s by Konrad Lorenz, which was about the psychological response to “baby schema” which is the facial/eye proportions in infant mammals. This is a contributing factor to why humans think baby animals are cute, but also an influence on mammals being more amicable & caring towards infants even if they're a different species, as it's one of those patterns that is really deeply coded in our brain.
      The 1930s-1940s was around the same time that Osamu Tezuka (the godfather of manga) was forming largely what became the foundation of manga, which would go on to eventually also be anime. He was heavily influenced by the style of then-contemporary Disney (Bambi, Dumbo, Snow White & the Seven Dwarves), and so those influences had a lot of cross-pollination, with variance that is respective to both.
      There's an essay by Steven Jay Gould that looks at changes in Mickey Mouse's facial proportions over time, and how that changed perception of the character, that hits at this in some good detail if that's the sorta thing that you're into digging in deeper on.
      Essentially, when it comes to animating, clearly emoting with characters whose proportions are exaggerated in a way Cartoons could really do differently than most other media, this is what drives a lot of that subtly, even when it's not being done as an explicitly manipulative design consideration, there's a bias that will shift towards that.

    • @PierceArner
      @PierceArner 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      ​@@soasertsus There're some other factors and non-cultural nuance to this as well. Direct eye contact is something that can often trigger a fear response, but that's not as much the case when it's coming from something with "baby schema" because it doesn't immediately read as a potential threat (hence why people aren't averse to approaching baby animals). This also gets reinforced by how widened eyes are more fearful (trying to take in more light) & narrowed eyes focused on something are picking a particular focus with binocular vision which is a predatory hunting pattern.
      When it comes to facial recognition, Western countries with individualist cultures tend to focus on specific details, whereas Eastern countries with collectivist cultures tend to look at the whole face at once. That's one reason that there's a potential to be a slight bias in exaggerating the eye size more in Japanese animation vs. Western animation since the eyes don't have explicit focus. (There are similar differences from this type of influence even in how much whitespace vs. clutter you see in Japanese vs. Western advertisements & web design).
      I believe the bit about eyes comes from a Japanese proverb, but "Eyes are the window to the soul" hits at a similar trait in the West. The most explicit cultural difference is probably in traditions like Geisha which do a lot of things to conceal emotions from being displayed outwardly and meaning that they have to be read through subtle nuances in speaking just in the eyes, though it's difficult to say how much that holds an influential weight.
      I'm more aware of the mask-wearing normalization in Eastern countries because they're largely collectivist cultures, where the individualism of Western cultures lacks the cultural social pressure to reinforce that as well. If there is a study or article on the Sunglasses vs. Mask thing, I'd definitely want to check it out.

  • @anon2447
    @anon2447 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    7:26 watching ross die while he has Kiara's ult available is both hillarious and sad, free revive ignored

  • @FindTheFun
    @FindTheFun 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +94

    Smith knows the enemies hurt him, right?

    • @herlastborn
      @herlastborn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Noel's Knight Dance Skill:
      "Gain Dance Gauge that fills when moving or taking damage. When full, Noel creates a Holy Aura dealing 50% damage for 10 seconds. Damage and size of the aura increases by 3% for every 10 Max HP."
      He's tries to max that when using the character, but sometimes Smith and Ross just walk into enemies for no reason.

  • @HerculePyro
    @HerculePyro 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Ross dying while having his ult ready that literally grants immortality is just... painful

  • @uzunaruMelonness
    @uzunaruMelonness 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Trott playing the Squirrel with the Deez Nuts jokes is funny.

  • @FitraSy
    @FitraSy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    some tips : Upgrade your main weapon for more easier play

  • @sleepywitches
    @sleepywitches 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    the good thing about holocure is that, even if you don't care about hololive or vtubers in general, still is very fun to play, and that's the important part, you dont need to watch vtubers to enjoy the game.

  • @1Gameaddict11
    @1Gameaddict11 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    There are more weapons and items you could unlock to give yourselves more options, via the "achievements" that can be checked in the main menu.
    Many of which are just reaching 10 min with different specific characters, so dont even need to win a round.

  • @TheOnlyOrk
    @TheOnlyOrk 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    "cursed with perversion" might be a good slogan for the channel :D

  • @MH-hu5pi
    @MH-hu5pi 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Last video Ross was improving a tiny bit (admitting that he was picking upgrades randomly) - this video, he's back to being absent minded.
    FFS Ross

  • @scalyscallion
    @scalyscallion 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I’m from Indonesia and I didn’t know hololive is THAT big here…got jump scared by Gelora Bung Yagoo lol

  • @taylorbrecht8049
    @taylorbrecht8049 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    How did Trott know the revolution is coming...?

  • @CuriousMoth
    @CuriousMoth 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    17:37 "Why would I ever drop this?"
    In a word: Halu.

    • @drake4138
      @drake4138 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Halu is one of the best items in the game tho

  • @Nevario1
    @Nevario1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    "Larger eyes in anime make it easier to depict emotion more accurately, making characters more relatable. The position of the eyes, the shapes and colors of the pupils and iris, and their gradations allow animators and designers to portray a character's entire personality and story with just the face."
    Also, Chibi or "super-deformed" anime styles does not equal perversion. It was/is used in animation to depict exaggerated forms of emotions - temper tantrums, extreme joy, extreme sadness, etc... - for comic relief. It's shown to represent 'playful' emotional responses.
    Of course, there are creeps and shit in ANY culture/fandom...

    • @PurpleOwl79
      @PurpleOwl79 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Plus as someone who isn't into vtubers or anything but watch anime and read manga, making them more cute doesn't mean sexual attraction. You can find a little girl to be cute without that being sexual attraction.

  • @pyrosish
    @pyrosish 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    2:30 another Hat Films video, another discussion of the (incorrectly named) movie 'Justin Time'. Please never change

  • @Odyanii
    @Odyanii 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    The cat shaped face thing is most noticeable from the side profile of most ‘moe’ styles where the nose slopes out but then seamlessly blends with the lower half of the face creating a slightly snout like look.
    Of course there’s plenty of adult targeted anime with more mature looking characters but they’re never gonna be what defines the zeitgeist the same way Severance isn’t gonna have people selling merch in artist alleys the way they do for like teen DC shows.

    • @happyhatebot
      @happyhatebot 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Fair bit of it is also foreign marketing skewing the results - not a lot of places feel that anime or manga aimed at more mature audiences is going to sell or do well in foreign markets, so they don't import it with the end result being that most of that stuff doesn't leave it's country of origin (including Korean works in the like as well). This creates the perception that those are the only things available because it's the only thing the market is exposed to, when the reality differs. That's not saying shounen/shoujo works aren't *popular* (because they are!), but that abroad things are definitely heavily tilted the way they are.
      Pushback is hit or miss - depends on the market's willingness to go looking for other things, but mostly it relies on nerds looking for (or producing) fan translations and thus the total penetration into the zeitgeist is low. S'kind of neat stuff to look into how marketing can affect culture that way, yanno? It's also why more 'adult' themed animated movies don't tend to do well - heavily skewed market trends based on the presumption that something is "for children" or only for comedic purposes, and thus those are the only projects getting greenlit and thus the idea continues...

  • @_Wombat
    @_Wombat 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks to the guys playing this I've been playing Vampire Survivors and Halls of Torment.
    Never even heard of them before but having a blast. Even gave myself a raging headache, 10/10.

  • @babaloo55555
    @babaloo55555 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Excited to see the Hatters playing more HoloCure. It's a great game!

  • @GT3Forever
    @GT3Forever 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    23:43
    Sorry if I sounds like a douchebag but do you guys consider we Asian just look... idk, small? Rarely in adult life we pass 170 to 180 cm in height. Heck even my mom mistaken to be a highschooler.
    I get some people didn't like the look of most characters in anime but please always think that we Asian not a giant. Our avarage height are about 160 cm/highschooler in American.

    • @GT3Forever
      @GT3Forever 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I've just finished with the video and I really like the talk about this. I hope you can understand more about this topic. And again, sorry if I sound rude, I'm just tired people called us child. Like this is our average height, how in the world we change this fact?

    • @q3znw6j88aywnwy
      @q3znw6j88aywnwy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Does your mother wear school uniforms?

    • @GT3Forever
      @GT3Forever 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@q3znw6j88aywnwy
      Nope, just normal cloth. She also usually use jeans since she doesn't like using rock.

    • @GT3Forever
      @GT3Forever 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@q3znw6j88aywnwy
      The thing is my mom is shorter than me. Like 2/3 of me.

    • @sileopatronus
      @sileopatronus 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@q3znw6j88aywnwy you'll stop seeing school uniforms in anime if you stop watching anime about students it's really that simple

  • @rojanleecastillo8317
    @rojanleecastillo8317 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    here's an advice:
    Prioritize leveling the Coins Upgrade in the shop, it is very essential to have early on.
    if memory serves me right, Offensive buffs, and Exp upgrade comes after

  • @kiai443
    @kiai443 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ross standing directly in the bosses fire attack cone like a deer staring down a ford f150

  • @CassianGray
    @CassianGray 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I like hearing about other people's weird and vivid dreams. I usually have pretty wild dreams compared to most of my friends, so it's funny to hear Trott's little sleep adventure.

  • @Borissh89
    @Borissh89 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Wait, why doesn't Ross use his characters' ultimates?

    • @MelancholicRobot42
      @MelancholicRobot42 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      You expect Ross to utilize game mechanics? lol

    • @MH-hu5pi
      @MH-hu5pi 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Because it's Ross. And there's no known cure.

    • @skynem5721
      @skynem5721 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He’s just vibin’

  • @JakeTheBeastDelta
    @JakeTheBeastDelta 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You can use extra stamps to upgrade your currently equipped stamps

  • @GenerallyDepressing
    @GenerallyDepressing 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Little late for Nonstop Nut November, but glad some Risu pops up.

  • @MegMyfawnwy
    @MegMyfawnwy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Boy love is love, boy love is life 💙

  • @phluid61
    @phluid61 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ca-LIE-o-Pee, the LIE gets the emphasis. (It's like a kind of organ)

  • @saynotop2w
    @saynotop2w 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Someone in the chat please tell these dudes that they're not supposed to be running into the angry mobs.

  • @veskupa
    @veskupa 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Can't wait for one of the lads to unlock Nanashi Mumei and use her ultimate and get scared pooples.

  • @Gortef
    @Gortef 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Keep going. This is good.

  • @fosterbennington6405
    @fosterbennington6405 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My favourite historical BL is Winter Cicada, a beautiful rendition of the war that took down the Shogunate and reinstated the Emperor, and how tragic and needless it was.

  • @TehAlekzi
    @TehAlekzi 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I wonder if the background for this anime debate is the real thing that's apparently going on in Japan, I heard that some organization is trying to get rid of the classic cute anime girls because they look like children. I can't remember to what extent exactly the accusations were but I think the anime was compared to child smut or some shit. The whole situation is lolicon, like Smith used to say.

  • @zomble_z
    @zomble_z 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Smithy still not realizing touching enemies is bad, love it.

  • @roflnagi15
    @roflnagi15 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    you guys bringing up the legality of incest made me look it up and it's illiegal in the UK, but it's surprising how many countries have it legal, some even having it legal ONLY for same sex couples or opposite sex couples (those are the homophobic ones where being gay is illegal anyways)

  • @thelemon0001
    @thelemon0001 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All our brains were smoothened today.

  • @Jojozilla426
    @Jojozilla426 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive been saying for ages that there should be a show about a guy named Justin who can travel time called Justin Time

  • @whosadaman8326
    @whosadaman8326 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Was debating whether or not to comment on the whole anime thing since usually it just divulges into arguing but to me I find it more strange that Trott can look at the majority of the Holo members and the initial reaction is that they look like children. I think as well it kinda highlights how people just seem to ignore that there is a good portion of women who tend to look younger to the point where Bijou and Gura have both talked about being mistaken as kids before. I'm not saying there isn't instances where the intended effect is that of child characters, but it's just such a leap to say that they all look like children.

    • @XCAltoona
      @XCAltoona 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It also probably matters that some of us have been watching anime since we were single digits in age

  • @9adamlevin
    @9adamlevin 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Smith really needs to upgrade that movement speed

  • @dahmanmc
    @dahmanmc 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's physically pains me watching peko stamp trown away when using risu... 7:27
    But oh well, 😂

  • @nardsy466
    @nardsy466 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So blessed to off found you boiks, daily entertainment never fail to make me laugh!

  • @RJSierra
    @RJSierra 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Watching Ross die when h has a full ulti-meter is cringe.

  • @MeisuMeisu23
    @MeisuMeisu23 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Instead of going to the Casino go the opposite way! There’s a cute girl ahead!

  • @AriesLeonine
    @AriesLeonine 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The game needs coop because of these dudes

  • @TGWMM
    @TGWMM 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They’re slowly and noticingly falling into the spiral rabbit hole of hololive

  • @EndlessSolitaire
    @EndlessSolitaire 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you can upgrade stats in the shop

  • @xBananowyJEx
    @xBananowyJEx 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God, I love this series and the barely disguised massive weeb knowledge

  • @HumanGuyManDude
    @HumanGuyManDude 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Cuh-lie-oh-pee

  • @zerothree4044
    @zerothree4044 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I'll give some advice. For Calliope you want to increase her main weapon and skills. Her skill 'death' is extremely good for dealing with large groups of enemies more so when you combine it with stamps that would increase haste, range and the explosive stamp can chain the effects of 'death'. For Noel her skills are pretty good in of themselves but her weakness is in regards to DPS, its low and that can cause enemies to over crowd and reduce your performance. The best way to play her is to bridge the gap and go all in on DPS.
    Now health items are good and all but its generally something you want to restrict to just 2 items max. The best way to survive is to increase your level and DPS as fast as possible that way the enemies would be unable to damage you unless you run straight into them. Also upgrade your stats in the shop, whilst yes the levels do recommend you do to a certain degree it improves you odds of reaching the 20 minute mark if you stat boost beyond the recommendation.

  • @WarrXIII
    @WarrXIII 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys should play Spell Brigade

  • @Shlepp
    @Shlepp 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    We must heed Trott’s prophetic vision of the English revolution! We’ve lived under this regime for too long!

    • @herlastborn
      @herlastborn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Start punching out the bullets now so he can reload faster.

  • @TheRenegadeHamster
    @TheRenegadeHamster 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Smith - Bara is the kind of BL you're looking for. It's Man Love. Chad Love.

  • @Trevor21230
    @Trevor21230 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Honestly For me it's like Smith said; I acknowledge that there is a part of this media that I'm not really a fan of but it's still enjoyable because there are a bunch of other aspects that I *do* like.
    It's like how a lot of R rated movies have unnecessary nudity. It doesn't really add anything to the plot; it's just there because the director knows there are people for whom getting to see [famous actress]'s tits in a socially accepted manner is what tips the scale in favor of going to see the movie, and fewer in the opposite direction.
    At least with anime it isn't a real life person whose body is being sexualized for money.

  • @Apodeipnon
    @Apodeipnon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We have NOT moved on from uwu

  • @Moxie4YT
    @Moxie4YT 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Let him cook, actually

  • @HappyLarry.
    @HappyLarry. 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its almost impressive how bad Smith is

  • @WD_Batora
    @WD_Batora 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    omg, the PROJECTION required to start a serious talk about anime character designs after 20mins of porn addicted jokes
    Be careful grown up boys, the questions that slide into your heads while looking at these cute pixelated characters may say more about the person asking things than about anyone having a good time on a silly video game.

  • @XCAltoona
    @XCAltoona 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Suisei is probably actually the best performer in Hololive.

  • @Riku-Leela
    @Riku-Leela 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nothing wrong with something being cute?

  • @herlastborn
    @herlastborn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    A lot of character look like children because they actually are. Most of the Attack on Titan cast are teenagers, most of the One Piece crew are teenagers. Sailor Moon, Naruto, Bleach, My Hero Academia? Teens. That's the target demographic. Most of the "popular" shows are adaptations of comics made for young boys (and girls), but tend to "appeal" to a wider audience, mainly because they can be much more "mature" than western cartoons. At the same time, as these shows go on, some of the characters do age - Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Attack on Titan - to the point where they are adults by the end of the story. People grew up watching Dragon Ball and suddenly saw Goku as a married father and continued fallowing his story. This connection and investment into the characters keeps people watching into adulthood and can be seen as strange as an adult watching cartoon because that's what it is. And that strangeness will always breed "those kind of people" as it would in any fandom. I'm sure there are some adults who generally enjoy My Little Pony and I wont judge them for it unless they are one of "those people".
    Side note: Disney's influence on anime predictably huge, considering their influence on animation as a whole. The "big eyes" thing is especially apparent on Disney princesses, but people are fine with that and weirded out by anime.

    • @Shlepp
      @Shlepp 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I respect the East for catering towards their target audience and giving fans what they want. It’s sad how the West is doing the complete opposite.

    • @certafan
      @certafan 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Aren't the straw hats like 20somethings from the get go?

    • @AsphyxiaLaguz
      @AsphyxiaLaguz 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@certafanYeah, that's what I was about to comment on. Also I can't see the AOT characters being teenagers.

    • @herlastborn
      @herlastborn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@certafan Luffy was 17 before the time skip. Robin, Franky, and Brook were the 3 adults.

  • @duifr
    @duifr 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i wish they took the axe and book less lol, I want them to see the other collabs

  • @helloitsnicko
    @helloitsnicko 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone need any lmaonnaise for their roflburger??????

  • @alexaalexa2308
    @alexaalexa2308 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Try using Hakos Baelz (the rat woman) , it's the strongest character in this gameq

  • @severussnape2917
    @severussnape2917 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really like this game

  • @DrPapufu8923
    @DrPapufu8923 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Actually have sad for good in my playlist instead of the original song 😂

  • @hendas9763
    @hendas9763 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Much as ross loves john edward, i love hornby alex trott films

  • @ShiningLight
    @ShiningLight 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    A lot of them releases great music. Often their songs have special meanings that go against the interest of people used to listen to American music that is all about sex, drugs and degeneracy.

  • @BeforeON3
    @BeforeON3 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its nuts.. its nuts it's nutty
    😂😂😂

  • @SpiritOfSpite
    @SpiritOfSpite 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Trott don't start that argument, people who start that argument always turn out to be the real creeps and I don't wanna lose another youtuber to THAT specifically.

  • @bingo5387
    @bingo5387 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is your regular video reminder to upgrade your damn weapons early. Got to comment on every video in the hopes they eventually read.

    • @theveryaveragegamer9865
      @theveryaveragegamer9865 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ah yes, because you screaming at them like an ass hole with zero likes is going to convince them, but the several comments telling them the same thing without being an ass wouldn't. Read the other comments before speaking.

  • @user-yl3pp8fy9w
    @user-yl3pp8fy9w 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    PSML-ing? 😅

  • @n-kap4064
    @n-kap4064 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    🎉 love these podcast.. I mean gameplay videos

  • @aethernaut1899
    @aethernaut1899 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Incest isn't really a *crime* is it?" one of those moments where you really notice there's no women in the room.

  • @TEGARxSR
    @TEGARxSR 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

  • @Malumultimus
    @Malumultimus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Japanese entertainment is more escapist than Western entertainment and so their artists just give people what they want. They'll draw child-like characters because people find child-like characters endearing and people find child-like characters endearing because we've evolved to find children endearing because we need to take care of them in order for them to survive. That's all. But anime is famous for other types of characters, too, like SFW edgelords and women with massive tits spilling out of their clothes. It's just shamelessly giving the customer what they ask for. In the West, artists are more likely to draw stuff as a joke or it's aimed at toddlers or it's trying to push some kind of message or appeal to some higher standard than "just looking good." That has its pros and cons.
    But not all anime looks exactly the same. You can tell most series apart pretty easily, but there are a lot of series out there that look so generic you'd swear they were made by AI. Honestly, that's how I feel about all MiHoYo games.

  • @sileopatronus
    @sileopatronus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    if you don't like anime characters being childlike then stop watching anime that's made for or about children

  • @CasualGamer669
    @CasualGamer669 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why when westerners talk about anime mostly going to porn??
    Or better what why is western always talking sexualize every thing?