A Croat here! Andy is kind of correct about the ić stuff. Basically ić would be male for something "smaller". Like if you imagine an object and a smaller version of it would have an -ić at the end. But basically most surnames end with -ić because their ancestors used to be recognized by one thing (a job, place where they lived etc.) but not all surnames are on -ić since throughout history we mixed a lot with Germans, Italians etc
In my opinion Messi is the second greatest of all time. The wc cemented it. Ronaldo not winning a wc isn’t as that bad of a thing because Portugal has been a below average country until 2019. Before Ronaldo they had only qualified for 2 world cups and won 0 trophies. After Ronaldo started his career they won an Euro and a nations league and they have qualified for every world cup. Ronaldo still is the top scorer of all time, top ucl scorer and assister of all time, top international scorer of all time, conquered 3 leagues (threepeat in prime premier league, stopped prime barca and was the main force in an aging Juve), won 5 UCL’s all while being top scorer and carried portugal to the Euros. Ronaldo’s record in ucl quarters, semis, and finals ( the biggest stage of club football) is just levels above everyone. The Messi fan argument about more goals in finals is also mostly irrelevant. A huge chunk of his goals have come in Cdr finals and spanish super cups ( most top players are still doing pre season during the super cup). There definitely still is a debate, and Ronaldo edges it. That is why I know Ronaldo is better. I still appreciate and admire Messi for all his hard work and talent, but Ronaldo is the goat🐐
Messi is fire and has more accolades but also had insane teams like xavi/iniesta barca and now mega team psg. So obviously he’s going to win a ton because if theirs better players around you you shine even more. While Ronaldo challenged himself in others leagues with a not so good juventus and Man U. Still 3rd highest goal scorer in the prem when he played earlier and later in the season but manager didn’t want to play him so he ain’t as sharp as he should be for future games like World Cup.
Thank you Andy for another fantastic Advent Calender showdown series, it's a pleasure to watch. Thank you for making this content. Merry christmas and have a great 2023
Messi passed the torch to mbappe in that final.... what we saw out of kylian to score 3 without any problem shows what magic hes going to produce the next few years
International trophys should not count in these debates over best player, if we end up having a debate over Mbappe and Haaland, how is it fair to compare international trophies, one is from France the other from Norway.
Hi m8! I love watching the Ronaldo messi debate from the sidelines because, as an atleti fan, don't particularly like either tbh. Nobody will ever feel my pain.
Andy's 'ic surname story seems quite legit, 'Kovac' in Croatian seems to be blacksmith, so Kovacic according to Andy's logic checks out. The more you know
FUN FACT: croatian translation of the word "SMITH" is actually "KOVAČ" meaning Andy was really close as there is certian Chelsea player called Mateo KOVAČić
We speak Croatian and womens surnames also end in "ić". no difference there. In Slovakian language if someone is called Modrić, women version would be Modrićova or something like that. We dont have that in Croatia tho. Btw not all of our surnames end in ić 🤣🤣 Merry Christmas everyone
The Ronaldo slating (not saying in this video) is low-key annoying, don’t need to shit on Ronaldo to praise Messi, he’s the goat but taking shots at Ronaldo especially his personality is harsh, he’s had a very hard year, with his child dying etc
I will always be a bigger Ronaldo fan but Messi the Goat love em both and so thankful I was alive to see them both do what they have been doing for football
Some several countries adopt that name difference with the masculine and feminine. Males from Iceland have Son and females have dottir. For example. Sigurdson = son of sigurd and if he had a sister she would be called Sigurddottir = daughter of sigurd
I'm from Serbia(we also use ić)it's like in surname it's name of your ancestors like what they used to be called or what they did + ić there is no female version of it it's just ić
Another interesting fact is that in the build up to mbappé's third goal- France's corner that fell to him which lead to Montiel's hand ball- the ball came off the hand of a French player and fell to mbappé which VAR didn't spot
no one going to mention Andy being a complete snake and not telling kirbz hes picked abedi pele and not icon pele?? no? Had kirbz not realised that wouldve changed his picks for the next round.
Tim Tams are the best biscuit to dip into a coffee or a hot choccy! Bite both ends off the Tim tam and use it as a straw. Melts the chocolate and caramel in the discount. Extremely unhealthy but delicious none the less. It’s called a tim tam slam!
Croatia originated from Serbia and so did their surnames, so they are the same and then there is Bosnia where a lot of it changed to Muslim so you have some that end in -ić and some that are completely different
in my opinion messi is 100% the better player especially statistically wise but to be fair to ronaldo he is much better at certain things like long shots, pens, headers, etc, and messi is also better at certain things like dribbling and passing etc,so it's kind of hard to compare them as whos better since they're both better at different things but if you're talking about who had a better career i don't think anyone can say ronaldo had a better career than messi since messi beats him in almost everything, so it kind of depends on what you classify as better, but yes messi is better
The debate is over but other players have an easy way of getting over Messi eg gerd muller, he carried bayern to the 1st german league, won the world cup and got a positive goal to game ratio for Germany
The only thing i hate about people calling messi the goat now is the fact that they are only doing so bc of the world cup. 5 penals,played against a injured finals team a pretty easy road to a final and still went to penals against netherlands and could barely win vs australia. Ronaldo is 37 he is not who he used to be and won a euro (which imo had a more impressive run than argentina) i think messi is clearrrrrr but you shouldnt get persuaded to say messi just bc of this wc(unless you think it was razor sharp ) but most people went from ronaldo clear pessi is ass to messi is the goat.
Pretty sure football is a team game and Argentina won the World Cup not just Messi, also Argentina have history of winning, Portugal never got close to the World Cup knockouts until Ronaldo was around
I'm Bosnian(close to Croatia) and -ic is like the male diminutive suffix, "For example, Mornar, which means sailor, becomes Mornarić, which means child of a sailor." this is explained on google for anyone that wants to check. I have a lot of ancestors with ic at the end of their last name.
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Merry Christmas to you all!
Merry Christmas
Hope you have a lovely day tomorrow
Also great video
Can’t wait for more after Christmas and new years
why?
Merry Christmas Kirbz.
Thanks for all the content this year Kirbz
Andy: “I’m not a Messi fanboy”
Also andy: *gets heated with himself every episode about Messi being the best*
ahhaahha
Is he wrong tho?😅
Doesn’t mean he’s a Messi fanboy
Thank you both guys!! Much love. Wouldn't be a Christmas without Andy's advent calendar.
Our pleasure!
@@KIRBZ63 Ask Andy if the best player itw scores like 4 (or 3) pens in the same tournament and gets valledningen the best player because of that? 😂
A Croat here! Andy is kind of correct about the ić stuff. Basically ić would be male for something "smaller". Like if you imagine an object and a smaller version of it would have an -ić at the end. But basically most surnames end with -ić because their ancestors used to be recognized by one thing (a job, place where they lived etc.) but not all surnames are on -ić since throughout history we mixed a lot with Germans, Italians etc
Love that history!
Also croaitan
Andy and his messi fanboying is worse than twitter kids oml
looool
Wonderful end to the advent calendar, thank you Andy and Kirbz!
Our pleasure!
Have a great Christmas everyone. Kirbz finding the time to upload this video, when preparing Santa's sleigh is truly great.
hahahah WOW!
The time stamps are a very kind Christmas gift, thank you Kirbz
So happy Kirbz got to do Messi and Christmas Eve! One of the best to do it! Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Christmas!
In my opinion Messi is the second greatest of all time. The wc cemented it. Ronaldo not winning a wc isn’t as that bad of a thing because Portugal has been a below average country until 2019.
Before Ronaldo they had only qualified for 2 world cups and won 0 trophies. After Ronaldo started his career they won an Euro and a nations league and they have qualified for every world cup.
Ronaldo still is the top scorer of all time, top ucl scorer and assister of all time, top international scorer of all time, conquered 3 leagues (threepeat in prime premier league, stopped prime barca and was the main force in an aging Juve), won 5 UCL’s all while being top scorer and carried portugal to the Euros.
Ronaldo’s record in ucl quarters, semis, and finals ( the biggest stage of club football) is just levels above everyone.
The Messi fan argument about more goals in finals is also mostly irrelevant. A huge chunk of his goals have come in Cdr finals and spanish super cups ( most top players are still doing pre season during the super cup).
There definitely still is a debate, and Ronaldo edges it.
That is why I know Ronaldo is better. I still appreciate and admire Messi for all his hard work and talent, but Ronaldo is the goat🐐
Messi is fire and has more accolades but also had insane teams like xavi/iniesta barca and now mega team psg. So obviously he’s going to win a ton because if theirs better players around you you shine even more. While Ronaldo challenged himself in others leagues with a not so good juventus and Man U. Still 3rd highest goal scorer in the prem when he played earlier and later in the season but manager didn’t want to play him so he ain’t as sharp as he should be for future games like World Cup.
@@HANASANAChannel I agree. People also forget that Real Madrid were struggling before Ronaldo came in
Thank you Andy for another fantastic Advent Calender showdown series, it's a pleasure to watch. Thank you for making this content. Merry christmas and have a great 2023
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@KIRBZ63 you're welcome ! And compliments to you as well mate
Cant stop laughing at Kirbz writing Visible confusement instead of visible confusion :P
Kirbz make Harry Potter delete his squad .. Cr7 is the goat!
What even 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Finally 🎉 Been waiting for this 😂
Merry Christmas Kirbz and Andy ❤🎉
Happy holidays!
Messi passed the torch to mbappe in that final.... what we saw out of kylian to score 3 without any problem shows what magic hes going to produce the next few years
3 Messi sbsd’s in the advent calendar 🐐
Only the GOAT would have two episodes of him as the marquee player through the Advent SBSD’s🐐
haha true!
International trophys should not count in these debates over best player, if we end up having a debate over Mbappe and Haaland, how is it fair to compare international trophies, one is from France the other from Norway.
The debate is over, Messi is the goat 🐐
I might agree that it’s the best international match but Istanbul 2005 is the greatest football match in history
Oof! Good shout but not for me!
The Ronaldo fans new argument: iT wAs RigGed!!?
hahaa
God damn Andy is waffling
I think the best way to put the Messi vs Ronaldo debate is that, Ronaldo is the best player someone can be, you can’t be as good as Messi
Highly disagree. Both players are just crazy and won’t ever have players like them
Always sad when the advent calendar ends !!! Merry Christmas everyone!!!!
True!
andy saying what we got for xmas is knowledge like he's seen every football match apart from everton 😭 😭😭
He is old tbf
I just wanna see Kirbz attempting to Griddy on a 5 hour loop.
Respect to Andy for actually buying Messi
Andy has said "I've done all of the SBC's" in every episode.
He needs to let the people know!
Good way end SBS with a good discard well played Kirbz have a good Christmas!
Hi m8! I love watching the Ronaldo messi debate from the sidelines because, as an atleti fan, don't particularly like either tbh. Nobody will ever feel my pain.
Andy's 'ic surname story seems quite legit, 'Kovac' in Croatian seems to be blacksmith, so Kovacic according to Andy's logic checks out. The more you know
Kirbz looking like Boy George in this SBSD 😂
Also Andy, you are dead wrong. English Breakfast Tea is elite 👌
SORRY WHAT ASHGDASDF
Ironic how he says Ronaldo is childish but he argues the debate like a child would instead of respecting both
Maturing is realizing messi is just better but ronaldo is still incredible
@@rushdataliep4144 false
@@HANASANAChannel🤣🤣🤣
@@HANASANAChannelbro how do you think messi ain’t the goat
@@Rcbender123 look at this profile pic
Merry official Christmas
FUN FACT: croatian translation of the word "SMITH" is actually "KOVAČ" meaning Andy was really close as there is certian Chelsea player called Mateo KOVAČić
Merry Christmas Kirbz and Andy I have absolutely loved this season thanks for bringing it to us 🎉🎉🎉
Our pleasure!
Podcast GK SBSD all in one place
Hahaha true!
We speak Croatian and womens surnames also end in "ić". no difference there. In Slovakian language if someone is called Modrić, women version would be Modrićova or something like that. We dont have that in Croatia tho. Btw not all of our surnames end in ić 🤣🤣 Merry Christmas everyone
Find it all so interesting!
Kirbz: ‘it’s not even Christmas day’
Me: *laughs in Australian*
ahhahah true!!
PAŠA used to be a title for noblemen in Ottoman conquered Croatian land so Pašalić's surname probably comes from his far ancestor who was nobleman
Messi isn't the goat, he is the gotg (greatest of this generation). You can't compare footballers from the 40's to now.
Oof!
@@KIRBZ63 love the content btw
Another great squad builder showdown have a great Christmas kirbz all the best have a good day
Thanks, you too!
Your my favorites FIFA streamer btw keep up the good content merry christmas
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Andy said that Kolo-Muani was arguably France's best player?
Think he meant impact wise when he came on!
@@KIRBZ63 Even then, Mbappe scored 3 goals, all of which Kolo was on the pitch for. It doesn't get much more impactful than that.
@@ummm366 kolo muani did win the pen for one and assist the other and was very good in the game
@@jfoz972 that's cool. pretty sure he didn't put the ball in the back of the net 4 times tho. not even close to Mbappe
Merry Christmas kirbz 🎄
Same to you!
Messi been the GOAT for years debate is over
OOF!
Merry christmas and happy new year to you kirbz, keep up the good work!
Thanks, you too!
The Ronaldo slating (not saying in this video) is low-key annoying, don’t need to shit on Ronaldo to praise Messi, he’s the goat but taking shots at Ronaldo especially his personality is harsh, he’s had a very hard year, with his child dying etc
In that regard yes, people probably don't take his mental health into the equation because of what hes been through. Tough one!
Yeah can’t respect Andy at all when he talks about cr7. Just praise Messi and leave Ronaldo’s name out his mouth. Doesn’t deserve to speak on him.
Merry Christmas to you Kirbz. Hopefully you'll have a lovely holidays
Thanks, you too!
Messi has always been clear of Ronaldo in pure skill now he has legacy over him as well it’s beautiful 🥲
I will always be a bigger Ronaldo fan but Messi the Goat love em both and so thankful I was alive to see them both do what they have been doing for football
so andy’s telling me that a female dog in croatian isn’t called a bić?
Some several countries adopt that name difference with the masculine and feminine. Males from Iceland have Son and females have dottir. For example. Sigurdson = son of sigurd and if he had a sister she would be called Sigurddottir = daughter of sigurd
It seems to go over so many countries!
I'm from Serbia(we also use ić)it's like in surname it's name of your ancestors like what they used to be called or what they did + ić there is no female version of it it's just ić
NOOOO!!!! I want to watch more 😂😢
More to come!
@@KIRBZ63 great to hear
Petition to extend it to 31. December 😂
W video. W timestamps.
Chocolate and caramel digestives! Legendary biscuit!
Monumental W
As a Yorkshireman myself I was loving the accents 😂
hahaha lets gooo!
I always wait to wrap my presents until it’s Christmas Eve SBS, Merry Christmas 🎉
Same honestly loool
Another interesting fact is that in the build up to mbappé's third goal- France's corner that fell to him which lead to Montiel's hand ball- the ball came off the hand of a French player and fell to mbappé which VAR didn't spot
No it didn't upmecano headed it it just looked like he hit it with his hand
Anyone know what camera settings are on?
The debate was already decided before the WC imo but think people are forgetting just how good Ronaldo was, especially in the UCL for Madrid
Little man Elite coming through 👀
@KIRBZ Hey I'm taller than you, although that's not saying much 😉
Merry Christmas Kirble 🎄
AJ supports Everton. He doesn’t know what a world class player is so the first one he sees is the ‘greatest of all time’ to him 😂
ROONEY?!?!
@@KIRBZ63 fair lol but Rooney was barely there for two years. His glory days came at United
@@jeandiaz.8537did you not watch Brazil in this years world cup? R9 played for Everton
Anyone else see that Andy’s striker didn’t have full chem
Ronaldo and messi =🐐🐐
W
That WC Final is boring asf bruh. Until the 65th minute that’s when it start picking up 😂😂😂😂
Tactical game before that and then it springs into life
Andy you Messi Meat Rider
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
no one going to mention Andy being a complete snake and not telling kirbz hes picked abedi pele and not icon pele?? no? Had kirbz not realised that wouldve changed his picks for the next round.
Merry Christmas King Kirbz
And to you big cally laaaaaaaaaaa
The amount of D-riding on Messi and 💩 talking of Ronaldo just killed the whole mood for me tbh
I think it was more praise for Messi, Ronaldo is legit my idol from when i was a kid
Stop being a baby
Such a stupid child
All from Andy kirbz was fine
Tim Tams are the best biscuit to dip into a coffee or a hot choccy! Bite both ends off the Tim tam and use it as a straw. Melts the chocolate and caramel in the discount. Extremely unhealthy but delicious none the less. It’s called a tim tam slam!
This sounds like absolute GOD TIER
Ronaldo the best player ever. Convinced Andy is a Messi meat rider.
🧢 Messi clear
@@Idk-jq9qf pfftttt
@@louissharpe1474 bro still thinks Ronaldo is better 😭
@@Idk-jq9qf bro thinks Messi is better💀
@@louissharpe1474 give me a reason why Ronaldo is the goat
ić stays with every surname doesn’t matter male or female
Andy...you're completely wrong. Croat's surnames ending in 'ic' because they all have NITS
rich tea easily the best biscuit to dunk.
Great vid, Merry Xmas lads
RICH TEA!?>!??! BARKSY.
Standard digestive biscuits for tea lotus biscoff for coffee 🤤
Good call!
Messi always was goat
Merry christmas kirbz!
Same to you!
happy halloween!
Deffo took that biscuit discussion from Peter Kay
hahaha probably where it stemmed from!
Croatia originated from Serbia and so did their surnames, so they are the same and then there is Bosnia where a lot of it changed to Muslim so you have some that end in -ić and some that are completely different
happy holidays mate cheers
Same to you!
in my opinion messi is 100% the better player especially statistically wise but to be fair to ronaldo he is much better at certain things like long shots, pens, headers, etc, and messi is also better at certain things like dribbling and passing etc,so it's kind of hard to compare them as whos better since they're both better at different things but if you're talking about who had a better career i don't think anyone can say ronaldo had a better career than messi since messi beats him in almost everything, so it kind of depends on what you classify as better, but yes messi is better
In insulted dat nice biscuits didn't get a mention
TRUE, I lowkey forgot about it tbf
The debate is over but other players have an easy way of getting over Messi eg gerd muller, he carried bayern to the 1st german league, won the world cup and got a positive goal to game ratio for Germany
Interesting!
I’ve always been a Ronaldo over Messi guy but there is no disputing that Messi is better now but with that being said I still prefer Ronaldo
Ronaldo is king.
Messi couldn’t head the ball 5 foot of the ground 😂
Where’s Ronaldo playing what club
Same is true with Russian-masculine ends with ev or ov, while feminine ends with eva or ova. E.g. Kolorov, Federov, Medvedev, Kournikova, Sharapova.
Didn't even clock that either!
The only thing i hate about people calling messi the goat now is the fact that they are only doing so bc of the world cup. 5 penals,played against a injured finals team a pretty easy road to a final and still went to penals against netherlands and could barely win vs australia.
Ronaldo is 37 he is not who he used to be and won a euro (which imo had a more impressive run than argentina) i think messi is clearrrrrr but you shouldnt get persuaded to say messi just bc of this wc(unless you think it was razor sharp ) but most people went from ronaldo clear pessi is ass to messi is the goat.
Pretty sure football is a team game and Argentina won the World Cup not just Messi, also Argentina have history of winning, Portugal never got close to the World Cup knockouts until Ronaldo was around
Ronaldo is always a legend. One of best players ever. R9 🇧🇷 - not the whopper
R9 isn’t half of The real ronaldo
@@brandontamayo1668 the real Ronaldo is R9 - the first, the original, the greatest
@@brandontamayo1668 the real Ronaldo is R9 - the first, the original, the greatest
The ronaldo messi debate isnt rellevant, Ronaldo clear and only now messi entered the chat, the true goat is Luka Modric
Drunk
HOLYYYYYYYYYYYY
@@KIRBZ63 hahaha, I have an unusual opinion but I stand by it
To be honest FIA doesn't remove championship for wrongfully followed rules even when there is a little bit of cheating involved
TRUE!
The only way Messi isn't the best is that he never played in the prem
So by Andy’s logic Mbappe is the GOAT.
Ronaldo is bigger then Everton lol
I'm Bosnian(close to Croatia) and -ic is like the male diminutive suffix, "For example, Mornar, which means sailor, becomes Mornarić, which means child of a sailor." this is explained on google for anyone that wants to check. I have a lot of ancestors with ic at the end of their last name.
-ica for feminine nouns and names
and another thing when speaking lets say I want to say " he goes" it would be "on ide" vs "she goes" "ona ide"
And merry Christmas everyone
Kirbz do you smoke the good kush? Merry chronika lad
When in Amsterdam...
Today is my birthday and great episode
HBD my guy!
There is no debate Messi is the GOAT
Wan Bissaka has had 3 team of the season cards on fifa, he had something at one point.
YES!