@@jayhuff1776 You're surprised that people don't like losing money? If I buy a card I wanted at 200 and it drops to 20 then of course I'm going to be upset.
This is why I been a fan of TEAM APS for so long. You see them enjoy the game no matter what cards they are using. I understand the competitiveness side of all TCGs but you have to love playing the game over anything else. I would rather have fun and lose than be bored and win. I know that is a strong take but think about why you play and game. You play games for fun, 1st priority.
Man, it's not even just TCGs. It's the wider culture going on right now: homes, pop culture, PC parts, everything. Scalpers everywhere, scammers everywhere, "investors" everywhere. Everything you do, all your hobbies, during your downtime, any skills you have MUST be used to generate a buck. Middlemen in every industry racking up prices for everything.
It's not the wider culture everywhere. It's basically just the US. It's part of the reason the OCG prices aren't as high most of the time. And you can tell when they do a lot of business with the US because those sellers will absolutely increase their prices to TCG level.
@@b-spiral8314 agreed. Lol people want to commodify and "hustle" everything. Even sports betting is seen as a "side hustle" a lot of society right now in the US is based around making money. And that's pretty sad
@@RunicSigils the OCG has access to multiple rarities which lowers the demand for the top rarity cards, making the prices cheaper. TCG only having the 1 rarity for a card in a set means the demand can't be spread out over multiple rarities the way it is in the OCG, making the price for a card higher.
It's specially dumb that ""investors"" want to treat the cards like the stock market, but then they are surprised and enraged when they lose money like they would in the stock market. News flash, genius, there's this thing called 'risk', specially if you invest in something that's much less regulated than the actual stock market, like let's say a game a single corporation has full control over.
@@Mt.Berry-o7 Exactly right! The people who hoard cards and turn around to charge the maximum amount to people who actually enjoy playing aren't getting much sympathy from me!
The problem isn't actually a single company controlling this, it's that a random independent body has the ability to cause potential gigantic harm to Hasbro's finances. I don't see how they can let this committee exist as a public company going forward
its hilarious when com online to complain and push back on people's reprint predictions. ready to argue against anyone about why a card shouldn't be reprinted to protect their investment. idk why anyone would wanna invest in yugioh of all games when its seemingly the most volatile but also, how do you not expect reprints at this point? how do you not realize you gotta sell your cards off within a year. if they want to invest in a safer game, go to pokemon where the valuable card arts dont get reprinted at least
@@spamtonto the problem is that Hasbro doesn’t make enough money off MtG? That’s an odd take. I’ll never understand why people stan for a giant corporation as if the company is somehow entitled to an infinite money glitch.
This reminds me of when “collectors” and “investors" damn near killed comics in the 90s. This may sound harsh but I honestly have very little sympathy for anyone who complains about losing out on an investment when said investment is literally a damn game.
@@JW-dp4we see, you don't know what trading is either. Anything that people want can be traded, and a market pops up to facilitate that trade. You're mad at the scalpers, but without them you'd have to actually open product to get the chase cards lmfao
@@blamberton7893 so long as they dont complain if a card loses value, more power to them selling it. But whining when a card is banned because "oh nyo I lost money" is the dumbest thing in tcgs
I'm more of a collector than a player, but I completely agree. I collect cards cause I genuinely enjoy chasing new cards, getting neat ones, and having a really neat collection of unique art in the form of trading cards. That it's being turned into this weird investment field is bad for everyone who enjoys cards. Cards aren't stocks and shouldn't be treated as them.
It's been a weird investment field since almost day 1; WotC reprinted a load of high value cards as part of Chronicles in 1995, this caused the "value" of certain people's and stores' collections to drop significantly, and, off the back of the disaster that was Fallen Empires 8 months earlier, lead to rumblings of a lawsuit against WotC. They responded with "the Reserved List", a long list of rare and/or high value cards they pinky-promised never to print again (either as a true or functional reprint). This decision has, over the last 30 years, killed the Vintage format (and done its damnedest to kill Legacy, too). Because many of the most powerful cards ever printed were in those early sets (because they were still working out how to design cards), they are on the list. This has pushed the price of those cards through the roof, making it financially infeasible for many people to play Magic's "original" format. Today, a handful of stores, scattered across the world, have a surviving Vintage scene, with a core comprised of players who were active in the early to mid '90s, and a small number of (mostly younger) people who have joined them with a mix of proxies and 401k payouts.
I also feel like it would make collecting even cooler if they printed cards in different rarities. If they print the next staple must have card as a Super Rare, but then also print it with alt art QCR or Starlight or something? They could even reduce the print runs of those to make them even rarer and cooler to pull if they really wanted to. Why is that not a thing?
@@AnthonyMercado-1988 Because those are from different printings of the card. We are talking about the same card being printed in different rarities in the same product.
100% fully agree! Current practices are ruining TCGs imo. I absolutely hate seeing "buyout" videos recommended to me. You've turned a hobby into a really crappy stock market. At this point I'm done hearing from people complaining about "My value!". Go put your money into some safe stocks and prep for retirement and let's not gatekeep cards due to costs. Pokemon really does have this figured out.
Exactly. Hell, even cryptocurrency is a more reliable investment than trading cards in most cases. It's hilariously volatile and unpredictable yeah, but not to the same extent as trading cards, and at least when you buy Bitcoin as an investment you're not screwing somebody else out of their hobby (unless that hobby is collecting crypto). Trading cards are not an investment asset, and this idea of trying to aggressively monetize everything is toxic and ruins everything, especially card games (especially Yugioh). By the way to anyone who reads this, the only financial advice I'm trying to seriously offer here is that trading cards aren't a worthwhile asset class and if you have that kind of money and desire to invest you should be putting it anywhere but people's hobbies.
@@TripNBallsGaming There's something collectibles have that stocks don't, you can manipulate them without going to prison. Reserved Investments did an excellent video on this recently. It's such a heavily manipulated market and most speculators are blissfully unaware.
No they don't just like in America they are expensive you do realize half the problem is that our government was never ready for trading card games and video games to go this toxic but I guess Japan where it was invented already saw how it could get really toxic and made regulations in place to mitigate companies from doing certified stuff, that's why everything in America costs more cause the government doest want to step in and do stuff because everyone would call them communist like every other time it's just America screwing it's self over
@@TripNBallsGamingHere’s the thing. As a landlord of 4 investment properties, crypto is just getting started in terms of tokenization. You have to be smart and not just follow the trend. I have already utilized the Algorand blockchain to facilitate and store documents. Bitcoin is popular and has been the buzzword for years, but its tech is greatly outdated and won’t achieve much compared to newer utility assets like XDC which is already positioned with the biggest trade finance players in addition to XRP, an asset which is hedged by banks to combat high cross boarder payments costs. In that sense, yes, crypto is as reliable as it has always been. We just haven’t seen the utility side of it just yet.
@@TripNBallsGamingHere’s the thing. As a landlord of 4 investment properties, crypto is just getting started in terms of tokenization. You have to be smart and not just follow the trend. I have already utilized the Algorand blockchain to facilitate and store documents. Bitcoin is popular and has been the buzzword for years, but its tech is greatly outdated and won’t achieve much compared to newer utility assets like XDC which is already positioned with the biggest trade finance players in addition to XRP, an asset which is hedged by banks to combat high cross boarder payments costs. In that sense, yes, crypto is as reliable as it has always been. We just haven’t seen the utility side of it just yet.
It was crazy seeing in 2020-2021 how people like Logan Paul and Gary Vee were trying to push trading cards as the next big investment vehicle. They had grown men who probably didn't even play Pokemon rushing into Target as soon as they opened so they could tear apart the trading card aisle. Then the influencers started spinning off into even dumber stuff using trading cards as a launchpad. Logan Paul helped launch a company where you buy fractional shares of cards and other collectibles. People would hype it up saying stuff like "You've always dreamed of owning a super rare Charizard, well now you can." The point of owning that one cool card you want is to actually own it! To touch it, play with it, look at it, show it off to your friends! Owning a fractional financial stake in a card locked away in a file cabinet on the other side of the country isn't remotely the same thing!
When somene buys a $100+ dollar card to play it and it gets banned from under them it's a tragedy When someone buys hundreds of that $100+ dollar card to sit on them and resell them later, and the card then gets banned, it's a comedy
I do feel for smaller game stores that lose money. Our local lost nearly five grand on the recent MTG banning. Her opinion was pretty reasonable, it went something like "I lost money, it sucks but I know its a volatile market because a half dozen things can happen overnight to effect the price of any card. I've also won big on some random card now becoming meta in the past."
9:18 Hell no, I remember Jeff Hoogland (mtg streamer) going off on the MTG Finance community for how awful they are years ago and I still stand by that now. I appreciate this video big time.
I wouldn't even consider playing paper with all this going on, I love card games but I only play digital because I refuse to line someone's pockets that only see these cards as a money maker and nothing else
My least favorite part of a tcg People crying about their "investments" on commander and how expensive cards should have some type of protection is the worst
I can't believe there was anyone left investing in Magic after the last few years. If you want to speculate buy the old stuff that at least has some significance as a collectible rather than just as a game piece. Mind you not sure even that's the best move anymore cough*Magic 30*cough.
@@monkey39128 what do you think the investors do? they look at old cards or clearly what would be powerful cards as competitive people would want to go from proxies to real cards eventually as the more you play with a card or deck the more attached you will get to it and buy official products
Financial wisdom says "If you know only about bakery, invest in bakery". It means that if you do not know the rules of a market and a game, do not play that game.
sadly stocks dont make a whole lot of money in the short term but its a great long term investment crypto is short term investment for a chance at short term gain or loosing everything you put this rarely happens with stocks
I always laugh when people are talking about reprints there's always some "investor" being like nnnooooo muh investment They really think its the stock market or something
I know its controversial, but Ima say it. A lot of TCG players put their own self worth into how "good they are" at the game. Some players want there to be a difference between "casual" and "hardcore" players. They want there to be a tier of players with "the best cards", and they want to continue beating people with less expensive decks. Whenever a reprint set comes out, I've heard players complain that "now everyone has a Baronne". Players put their entire identify and self validation into being good at yugioh. They want there to be a barrier to enter. If they didn't they'd be playing competitive chess, or any competitive video game. But here they are. Spending $300 on Fiendsmiths. Rather than work on themselves, some players will get a sense of self improvement through spending racks on the new Yugioh deck. There was a player at my locals that insulted my friend for playing Yubel while the deck was more or less budget and new. Now, its the deck he plays, and has all the QCRs for it. Like bro, you just insulted someone for playing the same deck but now that its the best deck in the room combined with demonsmiths, here you are.
I love this comment because this is more common in a lot of OTSs I go to. No one wants to run like a random archetype for fun like Dinowrestlers or Weather Painters. It's either meta or nothing, aka most people look at themselves like they're damn Seto Kaiba. Konami is literally one announcement away from axing Yugioh for good, which is why putting self-worth into something like this is not just incredibly risky, but a sunk-cost fallacy in the end.
@@bramderacourt9499 What he means is that Konami could decide today that it doesn't want to produce yugioh anymore and then suddenly all their cards could be worthless if everyone moves on. Obviously yugioh is still massively profitable for Konami so that's not going to happen. The point is that tying your self worth to something that at any moment could get deleted from this earth with no say by you is kind of a stupid move and a stupid risk to take with your money. At least stocks are regulated and in some ways insured.
I know I'm good at yugioh.....I also know I'm a poor axe biotch so I will fall victim to decks that have all those staples...but in an environment where the field is level I find that I can do quite well....hell even the other week I beat like 4 meta decks in master duel with basic bare bones elemental heroes (bare bones by 2024 standards meaning no vision hero support...honestly I find the deck does not need it to pop off)....it was a great feeling for sure...and there are a few archetypes I still actually want to learn meta or not
You do realize Elon musk ran Twitter into the ground right and Amazon undercuts other businesses because of monopolistic practices. Every market crash was rich ppl and institutions gambling with the economy. To spell it out, the richest ppl are the least productive in an economy.
Scam people on boring stuff, not the things we do for fun. The entire CG investment mentality is blatant disregard of the don't piss where you drink rule of watering holes.
MTGs fate as a speculative investment asset was signed before many players were born, back in the mid 90s with the reserve list. Konami didn't really let yugioh become a speculative investment asset like WOTC did for magic. WOTC firmly seems to believe investment bros are needed to keep the game afloat because players just playing the game aren't good enough to do so. Konami took the path of "Lets just have a half hour commercial air on after school TV every day and call it a TV show" and tapped into kids instead of 30-40 year old failed wall street investors.
@@dankenstein528 Sorry to break it down to you BUT grading cards became a trend 2 years before the Corona outbreak... NONE before knew what s grading... Be honest plz.
It's pretty dumb as a stance too with MTG where they think oh we need people who treat the game as an investment. Pretty dumb take when the playerbase is millions upon millions, not sure how many play MTG now but it wouldn't shock me if it's 20 million people playing.
@@dark_rit When the reserved list was created, it was in response to 4th ed MtG absolutely gutting the value of cards and people stopping buying cards. IIRC they were flirting with bankruptcy during that time, and it was only through the creation of the reserved list that had investors buying packs again.
This entire premise is why I focused almost entirely on common cards in my deck when available. If I had a higher rarity version, then sure, I can use that; but I'm not going out of my way to upgrade rarities when it's not going to make my deck any better. When Mirror Force was printed as common and all of a sudden everyone had one, the top players at my LCS were pissed because of the price of their Ultra Rares going down and not because everyone now had access to a card they should've had access to before.
I'm starting to play Yu Gi Oh this year, and one thing I'm realizing is how scarce some essential cards are, like I'm just trying to build a functional deck not tier 0 meta deck and I'm having difficulties in finding basic archetype cards of "outdated" (3-5 years ago) decks. That's crazy !!!
bro just give up. You spend on this game to build your casual 4fun deck and it gets obliterated by literally 1 card. Imagine sitting to play and you can't play stuff you paid for, due to how many negates are there? Imagine: You go to stores, open packs, search for prices, spend your hard earned money to buy the deck, spend time to learn how to play it and practice, learn the combos and interactions, spend time going to a place and finding people to play, sit to play, and after building your board and strategy, your opponent summons Nibiru that's a card that punishes you for playing the game, and wins because he just had 1 specific card in his hand. Let that sink in....
I'm so happy Pokemon is my main TCG. As you say, decks are as expensive as you want them to be. Every card has a budget version (with exceptions, since the most expensive competitive card right now is $25. But you can only have 1 in your deck, so it's not that big of a deal and we are expecting it to be released in a battle deck in november which will cost only $30!!). There are 2 sides to every TCG: The players and the collectors. I don't understand why I should expend 100 dollars on a single cardboard just to play the game.
I run the pokemon section in my lgs. It's doing wonderfully. It's all because there are no collector player splits in other games. Pokemon has a very healthy collector market and a smaller but healthy player one. Magic and yugioh only have players so the prices are solely determined by their strength.
Pokemon is probably the worst offender in terms of investment prospectors making cards insanely overpriced, compared to Yu-Gi-Oh where the price is high because people want to play with it. But the pokemon TCG publishers handle it way better by having cheap versions of all cards to play with. Meanwhile Konami exploits the players by having good cards only available in an insanely high rarity.
That's interesting because I abandoned Pokémon when I was still pretty young because of format changes that would make me buy a new deck every time. Is that still a thing?
@@blissbu sure but cards only rotate out after 2 years or 3 so it's not that big a deal. And trainer cards like pokeballs get reprinted so you can keep using them and only have to replace a few cards
@blissbu Rotation happens every year but cards are legal for 2 years after they are printed. Sure you could completely change decks but some decks stay viable throughout those 2 years.
The way pokemon does rarity is really good as you say. The rarest and most expensive card in a set exists as low rarity version too. The wording and effects are exactly the same. Its just the holo effect and artwork which is different. Not to mention that you can buy competitively competent decks as a sealed product in Pokemon. You have people winning big tournaments with $100 decks. Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG you’re looking at prices in the high hundreds, sometimes even pushing beyond $1,000.
im 100% agree. i think all cards should have a basic common rarity so people can actually just play the game as is. the super rare, ghost rare, starlight etc is a bonus that you can use for flex/sell it to people who wants to flex and have tons of money but it shouldn't be a mandatory to spend hundreds of dollar just to have a card to play because it only exist on certain rarity. yugioh mtg or pokemon or whatever need to separate the rarity for people who wants to play (doesn't care about rarity as long as the deck works) and collector/trader and they can do their things at the same time. rarity shouldn't effect any kinds of gameplay
Let bros play the game, theres no reason a new and relatively low dollar investment player shouldn't be able to get a decent deck without dropping more than a tripleA video game for one card cause its hard to find
That’s the companies fault for not printing the powerful cards as lower rarities or actively short printing them. There is low supply and high demand. You don’t blame the person trying to get the best deal. You blame the person that set the arbitrary supply. Bonfire would not be expensive if they had printed as a common.
sometimes they aren't even that hard to find. One Piece has a common from a starter deck currently sitting at $20 per copy because...I don't really know. You can buy two of the starters that have a full playset of the card in it for $20, and yet...
@@paultapping9510thank god blocker queen is getting a reprint, 7 dollars for a damn common, like hell naa bruh, keep that shit to yourself Im fine without it😂
Can you imagine if other hobbies were like this? Imagine some record snob being angry about a repress of the first Pink Floyd album coming out because they have a vintage copy
Other hobbies are like this. Most hobbies have tangible items you can buy and resell. Most hobbyists would be pissed if some random neckbeard said no one should play with this particular model/gun/drone anymore, and just by saying that the resale value of your model/gun/drone/whatever fell through the floor. I know y'all are extreme narcissists and can't see past how it affects you, but I recommend trying at least lmfao.
@@blamberton7893 And guess what? You can still play with the 'banned' cards at home whenever you want. Are you telling me that there isn't rules set down for conventions and competitions when it comes to drones/shooting competitions/modeling? Every 40K/Warmachine tourney that I went to had restrictions built into them. Couldn't use that awesome looking kit-bashed unit that you use in all your non-tourney games because it's not using 60% proprietary model parts, despite being instantly recognizable as that unit. Nearly every shooting competition that I've seen had limitations on what type and style of firearm could be used. There's nothing stopping you from using these banned cards in kitchen table magic, just like there's no rules saying you can't proxy in that sweet custom model in non-tourneys or (following local laws) use whatever gun you want in your local shooting range. In the case of the Commander bannings, you can always ask your casual group (which is what commander is, a casual format) if you can still play them. If 'some random neckbeard' saying that it's banned drops the resale value through the floor, then maybe the value wasn't that high to begin with?
@@blamberton7893 it's not a random neckbeard that decides bans, it's the comany itself lmao that's why investinf in card games is a bad move, the playing aspect dictates how much a card is wanted, if it suddenly falls off the meta then no one will want it, but if it's too strong it will get banned and sell for less than a dollar
Thank you for saying this. I have held this same sentiment with MTG for 15 years. When a game bottles down to “I have more money then you so I win or have a better chance of winning.” it’s no longer fun. The thing that irritated me about the commander bans was the talk show where the rules committee said we don’t want people to lose money. You shouldn’t be in charge of the rules if you’re worried about people’s money and not their play experience. I’m one of the people that lost money with the bans having copies of several of the banned cards and I’ve never wanted to play the game more.
@@IanEatsPie that’s forever going to be a mindset whether the cards are a dollar apiece or if you’re Chase cards are $100 apiece if I have more money than you I can buy more packs. Just remember when you open up a pack of cards or if anybody opens up a pack of cards one of the first thoughts that go through their heads and I gonna get something that’s worth money that’s what keeps our game going. Everything was the price of pieces we wouldn’t have the card games we have today if we had any at all.
I find it silly that this has to be addressed in the first place, but you are completely right about this. People shouldn't be buying this kind of stuff expecting financial results, whether you like playing or collecting, at the end of the day it's a hobby, not stock market.
Yeah, instead of releasing the same Dark Magician in different collectors tins, I’d love to see him in a scene on a full card, like some of the illustration rare Pokémon cards.
@@MiraiKishi Hope you like rush duel's layout then, I dont think Konami will ever change the layout as it might make them lose most of the nostalgia based players.
I love how people try to invest in card games, without acknowledging that investments don’t always yield returns. I absolutely agree that cards are printed to be played. I understand that people do enjoy collecting them (I have several valuable pieces of cardboard myself), but that’s a secondary hobby, and can’t be the primary concern of those curating a format.
Financierizing everything is about creating debt where there is not. When you buy a stock, the bank owes you money. You can ask the bank to give you the money back. When you buy a trading card, you have a piece of cardboard or fiat money that people do not even acknowledge as money. Hey, trading card scalpers, congratulations, you played yourselves.
@@rek_sai_only1430 That's the nuts thing right now. The new stuff is being pumped while the vintage is cheap and forgotten. Hope it lasts a bit longer so I can finish all the old sets!
As someone whos a magic player, i buy my boxes with the thought process of "at sometime ill hopefully be able to draft these with friends in the future, abd if i dont get to, well i can sell them later" cause i wanna play, card/box value be damned. A thing with the bannings in commander is people were sending death threats and doxing and threats of violence. Commander isnt a tournament format, its not used for competitive formats except for its very small community of competitive players, its a casual mess around at your kitchen table way of playing. People who were so bent out of shape to send those threats need to look at a mirror or go do something else with their spare time cause its a game, a children's card game. Also love seeing you guys doing stuff with Proff
what also sucks is online scalpers. because the grubby people that scalp stores at least put in the effort of going there, but the online ones just have a whole lineup of bots doing their bidding stealing our cards.
It being an investment or not is not the problem. The problem is people investing and not understanding that the number one rule for investing is to only invest with money you're okay with losing. If you invest in something and it becoming worthless is a problem for you, you're doing it wrong. People not understanding what they're doing and complaining about it as if it's someone else's fault. Is that just considered "being Human" at this point?
Yeah if you want to speculate in collectibles then you need 3 things: 1. Other more stable assets (Index funds). 2. Savings so that if expenses come you don't have to suddenly sell everything. 3. E-commerce experience so that you can offload when the time comes.
@spamtonto That’s not how fiduciary duty works. All Hasbro would have to do is argue that the game’s imbalance, real or perceived, was leading to a loss or potential loss of customers based on reputation. It would be in the shareholder’s best interest for Hasbro to ensure the game is balanced because not doing so would damage the brand’s reputation
Pokemon has been mitigating this by printing cards at multiple rarities. Giving collectors some alternate arts on even commons and uncommon to go chase while we players can pick up the regular arts for cheap.
In MTG there is a growing amount of people who proxy cards (print out a copy of the card) which while almost everyone in a casual environment is totally chill with I find it sad when you have to print out cards because the sellers limit the printing of these cards and a competitive deck is in the hundreds for maybe 5 dollars of cardboard and ink
Pokemon is selling their cards as a kind of art pieces. The new full arts are just amazing!! And yes, Pokemon is still a kids game and they know it and print cheaper versions. So nothing wrong with it.
If someone has a valuable collection because they actively play the game and intend to compete, but also just happens to be able to make some money off of the cards, cool. If someone is a collector or enjoys pulling from a sealed product and happens to get a high dollar card who then decides to sell for its market value, cool. If someone scalps the market for the most expensive, highly sought out cards because money, way past uncool. It's a game with its intention being for people to get together and play with one another. Bond as friends, or as competitors. It's not stocks.
@@hydrotatsumaster True. Except for mtg they made they reserve list to protect investors as long as that around mtg is considered to be an investment or "stocks"
the problem here is there is no way to stop this. A long as a secondhand market exists so will scalpers. It comes with the territory of a free market or mostly free market.
Every card should have a common print and the foil/rarity of the cards should be the ones trading with value. I shouldn't need to pay the price of Ultimate Rare to play pot of greed when there is a common.
Yeah it’s really dumb that people treat these cards like they’re money. We don’t live in a Yugioh anime so please stop this nonsense and invest in something REAL like stocks.
Real stocks should basically be illegal. One of the primary things ruining society because those companies pander to people who only care about making money instead of the people who actually use their service/product. Exactly the same kind of bad as card games only worse because now you're doing it to society as a whole. There is no reason a non-start up should be taking investors and even then there should be a hard and fast time at which they are forced to stand on their own two feet.
To me the main problem is that we don't have worldwide releases. Konami can see when a card is going to be good and purposely make them exclusive secret rares here in the tcg
Tell that to the poketubers that help inflate prices. Shit, some of those 1st gen pokemon booster boxes are 100s of thousands of dollars. A hobby that was once enjoyable for most people has become a financial investment.
With the old stuff I get it though. It's hard to find and it's a key part of Pokémon history. It's when people start paying $700-800 for Evolving Skies boxes that my brain starts exploding. There was ages where you could buy it at retail. Why didn't these people want it back then?
Pokemon has rotation so people are NOT playing with those super old cards. When cards are active in the format, Pokemon does a good job aggressively reprinting cards so that they are cheap to players. Once the cards are no longer in rotation, players should not care about the prices of unplayable cards, let the collectors blow their money on that stuff.
out of rotation boxes are for general purposes high niche to begin with. if an old card is off interest poeple gets singles, for current play pokemon reprint any card added to rotation. its no issue when collectors spend a lot of money on boxes that are no longer in rotation.
It was always a financial investment, the cards aren't given away for free. The prices are determined by what people are willing to pay. For booster boxes that maybe a few thousand exist of in the world, why should you be able to buy it for whatever you think is reasonable?
@@turtle-bot3049 I don't care if I would hurt their little feeling, I gonna call a scalper for a scalper, a thief for a thief, a scammer for a scammer, and so on.
The good thing about scalpers is that buyers can wait, scalpers have a limited warehouse space. Want to punish them? Wait a few years and when prices collapse, buy.
Do you cry about when you over pay for your new iPhone every year or cry when dealerships sell cars above msrp with their greedy markup? Thought so you 🤡
I've been shouting this from the mountain tops for YEARS! YEARS! And all i ever hear back is "It's an investment since the value goes up." Yeah, sometimes. Just sometimes. Very rarely. Cardboard is one of the dumbest places to put your money if you want to grow it.
A LOT of people were trying to use the fact people can make proxies as a defense for being able to have those cards at insane prices. Proxies are great for when you dont want to commit to a change in your decks, youre looking to test out a card, you dont want to take a card out of another deck, or hell even when you dont want to buy a card. However, a card having an insane price tag while being an IMPORTANT STAPLE is outright ridiculous and while it can be proxied, thats not the reason for why it should be.
If you are using a proxy but don't have at least 1 real copy you shouldn't be using them period even casually it's usually frowned upon and a large group won't even let you play unless they aren't in your deck
You do you man but my play group has no problems with it and several of us do it. Besides, I'm even playing cards that aren't out yet in the TCG like MⱯLICE so sometimes having the actual TCG cards just isn't a thing.
When i was a kid, up to my late teens even, I never really thought about resale value or pulling rares or whatnot. The fun was in building decks and playing with them. I sleeved cards because other people did, and I copied them. Nowadays I'm more money conscious and will sleeve cards (though I'm now a board gamer rather than a TCGer) to maintain their condition, so that I don't need to buy replacements, which can be pricey, and the condition is maintained should I decide to sell the game later. I can't fathom buying single cards just to sell them on again; that takes the fun out of it, in my opinion. They are GAMES- and games are meant to be played.
I started before sleeves were a thing. I started sleeving when others did, because I didn't want to have to replace cards. Down the road a number of years, I can't even afford to replace those cards, so I guess that paid off.
Here’s a gross thing, in the Philippines in my yugioh community, the more “wealthy” people, will horde high rarity cards and then flip them only to people in the west for 10x the value. The issues is that sometimes those cards are needed for play. So when local people need those cards, we can’t get them for a decent price since a minority group of players only sells at high western prices. It’s pretty awful! I highly recommend you westerners not buy up all the Asian English cards as it makes it incredibly difficult and expensive for the majority of players in the Philippines
Been screaming this from the rooftops for years. It's a game! The cards are like chess pieces! Can you imagine if the only chess pieces available were ones made of gold and diamonds? Card games need their equivalent to cheap wooden pieces to thrive, because how else is a game going to live if people can't play with basic pieces to the game? Let starlights and the other premium rarities be absurd in price, but the base rarity cards need to be accessible or else we can't play the game!
When I was a kid, this type of person pissed me off to no end. I just wanted to collect some cool cards and play the game. As an adult I have seen a few incidents of moms struggling to find Pokemon cards at local stores, so I still don't respect these investors. They can do whatever they want I guess, but I'm not going to care if their investments don't work out.
@@slimynaut but paying for the format balancing and game design is pretty logical , they pay people to come up with card effects. It’s not that the cardboard itself cost money but the effort put into the game
@@0doge632If staple rare cards were 10 dollars I think almost everyone would accept that. But only Pokémon tcg is able to achieve this by thriving off the collectors market and by making multiple rarities.
I prefer the solution of having high rarity cards for collectors and traders with fancy art but also low rarety low price versions.. like old yu gi oh had that to a degree.. I remember back when i played.. wich was mostly LoB era a blue eyes from the starter was like cents to maybe a dollar and a blue eyes from the booster like 50 times as much.. same for dark magician. Also fancier artwort for the booster ones of high rarity might get collectors interested. But i prefer not hurting one in order to cater to the other community if possible.. but collectors/traders need to know: without anyone playing the game, they got 0 practical value
The practice i have talked about is what about a standard pack/set on new release, but when next set hits pre-release, a full common set is released for purchase of the previous set. 1 copy of each. That way, more people can get ready for new set, but does not affect the rarity of og set cards.
I love the most recent yu gi oh tin because before it came out, i couldn't find a copy of toon kingdom for under 30 dollars. I'm not trying to make some ultra meta deck with toons, in fact im making a pegasus deck that has relinquished cards and toons in it together despite the lack of any real synergy. Since the reprint of toon kingdom in that tin the card now costs 5 dollars and buying a set of it for a deck is much more reasonable
It can be both! Some trading card stores rely on selling singles to stay afloat so people have a place to play these games. If good cards weren't allowed to be sold for a higher price there would be no incentive to buy boosters or sell cards you don't want to use.
Having the only playable version of the card as an investment often isn't wise. Once a reprint comes out, it'll likely lose a good amount of value because players don't always care about how shiny or rare that original copy was, if they are just trying to play it, so that version is no longer as desirable. Meanwhile, if the more affordable version existed from the start, then the rarer version will always retain it's value, unless the card itself suddenly loses interest, for example, if the card becomes completely powercrept that it is no longer playable and nobody really wants any version of the card. It happens, but a lot less than reprints that are guaranteed. An example could be Ultimate Rare Lightning Vortex, but the card is actually doing well because of older formats.
I think it is most important to make every card cheap and accessible BUT also offer something as a bonus for the collecting side of things. For example: The 25th Anniversary Kaiba briefcase might be my favourite collector's item in quite a while. It doesn't damage the game or player and you have something nice and collectible for your shelf 👍
The perhaps KONAMI shouldn't demand you INVEST 360€ on a playset of the newest staple, 150€ on the newest dominus trap playset and then some. Just my 2 cents.
100% With any TCG the problem is short printing extremely rare cards. It just drives the value up and encourages investing/ reselling etc. If the hard to pull cards were still rare but much more obtainable than they are now then those values would plummet. I would love to get a copy of Magia but Konami can go to hell if they think I’m going to buy packs when the odds are abysmally low and I’m not paying hundreds to a reseller either.
@blamberton7893 any player with decent deck building would arrive at the same conclusions. Optimization is the natural progression of ANY competitive game. Even Lorcana has it and that game JUST made a year old.
@@blamberton7893 Anyone can tell that some cards are better than others. Doesn't take neckbeards, if you have the drive to do better then you'll eventually end up with the same ideas.
It simple: Little Timmy investors keep thinking they get rich off trading card games by doing buyouts, and this there only investment. Then when the price drops they cry foul and say lost everything. If you want to get into the TCG, Comics, Video Games and Funko pops, make sure you have investments else where like S&P stock index etc. These should where you play with money you not afraid to lose. These TCG holders are like the Beanie Babies of 90s, one crash and bam, cardboard that is worthless, but first it be funko pops
Details about the MTG Commander situation: -Commander is a player-created format. It's intended for casual play, although some players do play it competitively. Notably, Wizards of the Coast does not sanction Commander tournaments. They do, however, make products specifically designed for it. -For most of Commander's history, its rules and banlist were run by a volunteer Rules Committee. -Recently, the Rules Committee banned a set of high value cards. -Some bad actors made death threats to the Rules Committee over the bans. -In light of the death threats, the Rules Committee voluntarily handed over control of the format and its ban list to Wizards of the Coast. I agree that cards should be treated as game pieces first, collectibles second. Should you have to be able to afford a king to play chess?
Pokemon doesnt have this at all because they print everything in multiple rarities in multiple prodocts. People buy cards because they look good and collectable. A cards strength in comparison to its price is almost unrelated because of this.
A fellow vanguard player. Nice. I only go for high rarity in the decks that I play and when I do, they are usually the cheapest cards in their base rarity. I also actually play with them cuz the feeling of flashing gold only happens once
I’m against it, but investors win more than they lose. The majority of consumers are young adults who don’t know how to manage their money correctly. It’s almost too easy to make money off of them.
@@TheOfficialRandomGuy not entirely true, majority of the time we see people in their 30’s who don’t spend their paycheck on much more than TCG’s defending their purchases and trying to gatekeep the actual game side of it by scalping the cards. More often than not, these are the people who tell you “if you can’t afford it then you shouldn’t play” when they are the ones operating the shops on tcgplayer hiking what could be a 20 dollar card up to 120. people think Konami has any say about card prices once they leave the factory, but they don’t, that’s all secondary market bb.
@@SageTigerStar and you know why they hike cards up to $100+? Because they know someone will buy it. And why is that? Because they don’t manage their money. Btw, the ones who say “if you can’t afford it, then don’t play.” Are the ones that are in debt with the game, and are trying to defend their poor purchasing habits. Thanks for making a drawn out reason why I’m right.
You shouldn't be so willing to buy randomized packs of limited-production cards if you think they should exclusively be game pieces. Why wouldn't you just buy complete decks for like $10 if this is the case?
Honestly, I think the bigger problem is that these companies are welling cards the way they are... Like, they should just sell the cards as sets and not make them a gamble.... Remember, we are a race of creatures that turned stone and made it worth a lot despite it having no actual function....
Definitely agree. Love the Pokemon rarity system. Also much prefer full arts to just foiling. I would love Yu-Gi-Oh to be more reasonably priced and would gladly pay extra to have full arts of my favorite cards
Master Duel is also worse practice ... You have to start with crap decks, with so many cards and strategies, why YU-GI-OH ‼️, kills this with pay for packs approach in digital‼️ they should make alot of cards available in the digital game atleast,‼️
I also love that pokemon seperates collectors vs players by having the secret illustration rares be simply cooler versions of cards available in lower rarity because it completely eliminates the inherent tension between collectors, who want things in the best condition, and players, who are going to naturally wear on cards over the course of play.
totally agree my relatives owns a card shop, he always saw primary school students saying they are rich because they pulled out a "relatively" expensive pokemon card, but my relatives did not have a customer trading books or p2p trading area, so those children will go to another shop which offers 30%of commission of the selling price and sell the cards at the average market price. some will buy cheaper card and try to sell it later when that card become expensive, which actually is even cheaper later because of the reprint. i dont know how to give comment or tell the kids about the money problem, but i dont think they should use card as investment at their age
Only reason I don't interact with the irl side (which is arguably the best way to enjoy the games) of OP and Yu-Gi-Oh tcg is because I don't have the money to do so, so yeah fk the current state of the market.
FINALLY A BIG INFLUENCER CALLING OUT THE GREED OF THE SECONDARY MARKET!! And yes the overpriced cards are sold by SCALPERS! This is also a big problem in Cardfight Vanguard as well thanks to a certain "influencer" who is not only a scalper but also toxic and a bully!
I wanna get into pokemon collecting again but gosh it's like taking part in casino gambling. People say Don't buy this or that and store cards safely if you want the most money and more money on storing
We have a guy who comes into my locals and buys a ton of new products. My buddies and I go in and raid his bulk. When 151 came out, I had three full 4-4 lines of Venomoth just from him.
The earliest couple of sets of MtG actually had an ante system built into the game. At the start of the game each player would flip the top card of their deck and the winner got the opponent's card. There were even cards which interacted with the ante, like demonic contract which let you draw back to a full hand but then you ante'd an additional card. The ante system was scrapped when the game came under fire for gambling laws though.
I'm more collector than duelist, but I do understand that card prices are not stable. If they lose value, it's on me for holding onto them. It's why I try not to put too much money into this game.
Preach, bro. People want to invest in the thing they love, but in this case, it's detrimental to that thing they love. Don't shit where you eat, don't invest where you play. It's not even a good, stable investment anyway 💀
I try to always emphasize to people when they are taking Yugioh too seriously, the packaging says age 6+. This is not an investment, it’s a kid’s game.
@@spamtonto Yeah can't argue with that. Pokemon is on a mad bull run for the most part. Mind you there was a nice opportunity to get some S&V boxes in the 80's which I very much enjoyed.
I like how Digimon and One Piece do their printings even more: Just about everything has a common printing. They may have a secret rare or two per set that get up into the $20 range, but even most high rarity cards are less than $5. But in exchange their alternate art cards are EXTREMELY rare, demanding high prices for even the least in-demand game pieces. Building a deck to play with is inexpensive, and collectors looking to invest have rare pieces likely to hold value from their rarity and art quality alone.
TL;DR - Houses and Rare Cards are traded very similarly. One's a game, the other is a serious world problem. Personally i don't think any thing should be an investment except the society its self. You can't own a society but you can put time and energy into it because you believe in its potential. Investments are what caused the housing crisis and economic crashes. They can just hoard stuff and then you get wild price hikes and its just bad for everyone except rich people.
This is the best take about the commander thing I've heard. Ultimately it is the printer's fault for not printing multiple rarities of cards that lots of people use. (Magic is doing that now for new cards and some newer staples but they intentionally did not do it for the banned cards to sell packs.)
I fall somewhere in between, I love the feeling of pulling something rare and the anticipation that comes with it. That's what makes me want to buy booster packs. Usually end up stuffing them into my portfolio and looking through them occasionally. Having something valuable does give me a form of comfort, but I would never buy up everything just so others can't have it. If I want to play, I go digital. I have no issue with the idea of different rarities as long as the higher ones still exist and I can get lucky.
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*LET THE PEOPLE GET THEIR CARDS AND PLAY THEIR GAMES!* 🗣
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I am utterly baffled by the amount of people upset whenever a favorite card they bought in a high rarity is reprinted.
@@jayhuff1776 You're surprised that people don't like losing money? If I buy a card I wanted at 200 and it drops to 20 then of course I'm going to be upset.
@@TeamAPS *SAME WITH VIDEO GAMES!*
This is why I been a fan of TEAM APS for so long. You see them enjoy the game no matter what cards they are using. I understand the competitiveness side of all TCGs but you have to love playing the game over anything else. I would rather have fun and lose than be bored and win. I know that is a strong take but think about why you play and game. You play games for fun, 1st priority.
Man, it's not even just TCGs. It's the wider culture going on right now: homes, pop culture, PC parts, everything. Scalpers everywhere, scammers everywhere, "investors" everywhere.
Everything you do, all your hobbies, during your downtime, any skills you have MUST be used to generate a buck. Middlemen in every industry racking up prices for everything.
It's not the wider culture everywhere. It's basically just the US. It's part of the reason the OCG prices aren't as high most of the time.
And you can tell when they do a lot of business with the US because those sellers will absolutely increase their prices to TCG level.
@@b-spiral8314 agreed. Lol people want to commodify and "hustle" everything. Even sports betting is seen as a "side hustle" a lot of society right now in the US is based around making money. And that's pretty sad
@@RunicSigils with all due respect, it definitely isn't just the US. It happened across the board in Australia during our 2020 lockdowns.
The world has way too many greedy people, that's the real overpopulation
@@RunicSigils the OCG has access to multiple rarities which lowers the demand for the top rarity cards, making the prices cheaper. TCG only having the 1 rarity for a card in a set means the demand can't be spread out over multiple rarities the way it is in the OCG, making the price for a card higher.
It's specially dumb that ""investors"" want to treat the cards like the stock market, but then they are surprised and enraged when they lose money like they would in the stock market. News flash, genius, there's this thing called 'risk', specially if you invest in something that's much less regulated than the actual stock market, like let's say a game a single corporation has full control over.
@@Mt.Berry-o7 Exactly right! The people who hoard cards and turn around to charge the maximum amount to people who actually enjoy playing aren't getting much sympathy from me!
The problem isn't actually a single company controlling this, it's that a random independent body has the ability to cause potential gigantic harm to Hasbro's finances. I don't see how they can let this committee exist as a public company going forward
its hilarious when com online to complain and push back on people's reprint predictions. ready to argue against anyone about why a card shouldn't be reprinted to protect their investment. idk why anyone would wanna invest in yugioh of all games when its seemingly the most volatile but also, how do you not expect reprints at this point? how do you not realize you gotta sell your cards off within a year. if they want to invest in a safer game, go to pokemon where the valuable card arts dont get reprinted at least
Haha ya if i was konami and someone I didn't like owned a super rare expensive card, I'd ban or reprint it to f them over
@@spamtonto the problem is that Hasbro doesn’t make enough money off MtG? That’s an odd take. I’ll never understand why people stan for a giant corporation as if the company is somehow entitled to an infinite money glitch.
This reminds me of when “collectors” and “investors" damn near killed comics in the 90s. This may sound harsh but I honestly have very little sympathy for anyone who complains about losing out on an investment when said investment is literally a damn game.
Wow, am I the only one here that knows what "trading" means? 😂
Trading is just fine. Collecting to then scalp and sell cards at outrageous prices is not.
@@JW-dp4we see, you don't know what trading is either. Anything that people want can be traded, and a market pops up to facilitate that trade. You're mad at the scalpers, but without them you'd have to actually open product to get the chase cards lmfao
Yep, and I’m perfectly fine doing that
@@blamberton7893 so long as they dont complain if a card loses value, more power to them selling it. But whining when a card is banned because "oh nyo I lost money" is the dumbest thing in tcgs
Pay to win ❌ Pay to flex ✔️
Is what it should be like
Hell yeah brother
Like in Pokemon TCG
I love this distillation of the ideal system. I also think there should be a special level rarity that is only given out for winning a YCS.
This is basically Pokemon, its horrible that its not for other tcgs
I'm more of a collector than a player, but I completely agree.
I collect cards cause I genuinely enjoy chasing new cards, getting neat ones, and having a really neat collection of unique art in the form of trading cards.
That it's being turned into this weird investment field is bad for everyone who enjoys cards.
Cards aren't stocks and shouldn't be treated as them.
It's been a weird investment field since almost day 1; WotC reprinted a load of high value cards as part of Chronicles in 1995, this caused the "value" of certain people's and stores' collections to drop significantly, and, off the back of the disaster that was Fallen Empires 8 months earlier, lead to rumblings of a lawsuit against WotC. They responded with "the Reserved List", a long list of rare and/or high value cards they pinky-promised never to print again (either as a true or functional reprint).
This decision has, over the last 30 years, killed the Vintage format (and done its damnedest to kill Legacy, too). Because many of the most powerful cards ever printed were in those early sets (because they were still working out how to design cards), they are on the list. This has pushed the price of those cards through the roof, making it financially infeasible for many people to play Magic's "original" format. Today, a handful of stores, scattered across the world, have a surviving Vintage scene, with a core comprised of players who were active in the early to mid '90s, and a small number of (mostly younger) people who have joined them with a mix of proxies and 401k payouts.
I also feel like it would make collecting even cooler if they printed cards in different rarities.
If they print the next staple must have card as a Super Rare, but then also print it with alt art QCR or Starlight or something? They could even reduce the print runs of those to make them even rarer and cooler to pull if they really wanted to.
Why is that not a thing?
Are there tournaments, perhaps locals using a common only rule
@@AnthonyMercado-1988 Because those are from different printings of the card. We are talking about the same card being printed in different rarities in the same product.
@@sainguin3887 its called cardSTOCK for a reason /s
100% fully agree! Current practices are ruining TCGs imo. I absolutely hate seeing "buyout" videos recommended to me. You've turned a hobby into a really crappy stock market.
At this point I'm done hearing from people complaining about "My value!". Go put your money into some safe stocks and prep for retirement and let's not gatekeep cards due to costs. Pokemon really does have this figured out.
Exactly. Hell, even cryptocurrency is a more reliable investment than trading cards in most cases. It's hilariously volatile and unpredictable yeah, but not to the same extent as trading cards, and at least when you buy Bitcoin as an investment you're not screwing somebody else out of their hobby (unless that hobby is collecting crypto). Trading cards are not an investment asset, and this idea of trying to aggressively monetize everything is toxic and ruins everything, especially card games (especially Yugioh).
By the way to anyone who reads this, the only financial advice I'm trying to seriously offer here is that trading cards aren't a worthwhile asset class and if you have that kind of money and desire to invest you should be putting it anywhere but people's hobbies.
@@TripNBallsGaming There's something collectibles have that stocks don't, you can manipulate them without going to prison. Reserved Investments did an excellent video on this recently. It's such a heavily manipulated market and most speculators are blissfully unaware.
No they don't just like in America they are expensive you do realize half the problem is that our government was never ready for trading card games and video games to go this toxic but I guess Japan where it was invented already saw how it could get really toxic and made regulations in place to mitigate companies from doing certified stuff, that's why everything in America costs more cause the government doest want to step in and do stuff because everyone would call them communist like every other time it's just America screwing it's self over
@@TripNBallsGamingHere’s the thing. As a landlord of 4 investment properties, crypto is just getting started in terms of tokenization. You have to be smart and not just follow the trend. I have already utilized the Algorand blockchain to facilitate and store documents.
Bitcoin is popular and has been the buzzword for years, but its tech is greatly outdated and won’t achieve much compared to newer utility assets like XDC which is already positioned with the biggest trade finance players in addition to XRP, an asset which is hedged by banks to combat high cross boarder payments costs.
In that sense, yes, crypto is as reliable as it has always been. We just haven’t seen the utility side of it just yet.
@@TripNBallsGamingHere’s the thing. As a landlord of 4 investment properties, crypto is just getting started in terms of tokenization. You have to be smart and not just follow the trend. I have already utilized the Algorand blockchain to facilitate and store documents.
Bitcoin is popular and has been the buzzword for years, but its tech is greatly outdated and won’t achieve much compared to newer utility assets like XDC which is already positioned with the biggest trade finance players in addition to XRP, an asset which is hedged by banks to combat high cross boarder payments costs.
In that sense, yes, crypto is as reliable as it has always been. We just haven’t seen the utility side of it just yet.
It was crazy seeing in 2020-2021 how people like Logan Paul and Gary Vee were trying to push trading cards as the next big investment vehicle. They had grown men who probably didn't even play Pokemon rushing into Target as soon as they opened so they could tear apart the trading card aisle. Then the influencers started spinning off into even dumber stuff using trading cards as a launchpad.
Logan Paul helped launch a company where you buy fractional shares of cards and other collectibles. People would hype it up saying stuff like "You've always dreamed of owning a super rare Charizard, well now you can." The point of owning that one cool card you want is to actually own it! To touch it, play with it, look at it, show it off to your friends! Owning a fractional financial stake in a card locked away in a file cabinet on the other side of the country isn't remotely the same thing!
One could own that Charizard. This might be a case of possessing one.
This is a strange Black Mirror episode…
Me: *bought 50% of a charizard*
*it was the back side of the card... :(*
their impact is still felt. Targets near me still have limits on how many products you can buy, and you cannot return any trading card items
Tbf a grown man playing pokemon is just as sad
When somene buys a $100+ dollar card to play it and it gets banned from under them it's a tragedy
When someone buys hundreds of that $100+ dollar card to sit on them and resell them later, and the card then gets banned, it's a comedy
Yup scalpers are the worst and kinda deserve the "House Bolton" treatment from game of thrones.
I do feel for smaller game stores that lose money. Our local lost nearly five grand on the recent MTG banning. Her opinion was pretty reasonable, it went something like "I lost money, it sucks but I know its a volatile market because a half dozen things can happen overnight to effect the price of any card. I've also won big on some random card now becoming meta in the past."
I wanna like this comment but it has 69 likes and I dare not ruin that.
Like an LGS that has customers to meet demand for?
@@WarbossFrakaA five grand loss overnight for an LGS might be totally devastating.
I’m a collector, not a player. I collect Ultimate Rares so when prices go down I get very happy :D
9:18 Hell no, I remember Jeff Hoogland (mtg streamer) going off on the MTG Finance community for how awful they are years ago and I still stand by that now. I appreciate this video big time.
Investors have ruined tcgs for me.
I wouldn't even consider playing paper with all this going on, I love card games but I only play digital because I refuse to line someone's pockets that only see these cards as a money maker and nothing else
@@Dunsparce99 Ruined?
They have literally stopped me from playing Magic just by making me reconsider.
How? Do you have a specific example?
A the investors killed the game😂😂 NOT konami with their inflated prices ok ok...
My least favorite part of a tcg
People crying about their "investments" on commander and how expensive cards should have some type of protection is the worst
I can't believe there was anyone left investing in Magic after the last few years. If you want to speculate buy the old stuff that at least has some significance as a collectible rather than just as a game piece. Mind you not sure even that's the best move anymore cough*Magic 30*cough.
@@monkey39128 what do you think the investors do? they look at old cards or clearly what would be powerful cards as competitive people would want to go from proxies to real cards eventually as the more you play with a card or deck the more attached you will get to it and buy official products
Treating cards like they're stocks and complaining when value goes down is peak cringe. Invest in actual stocks and make actual money.
To be clear stocks also go down in value. Don’t dump all your money into stocks if you don’t know what you are doing
Financial wisdom says "If you know only about bakery, invest in bakery". It means that if you do not know the rules of a market and a game, do not play that game.
sadly stocks dont make a whole lot of money in the short term but its a great long term investment crypto is short term investment for a chance at short term gain or loosing everything you put this rarely happens with stocks
Gold is better than Yugi-Oh cards. A company cannot reprint gold.
They're not Financial Investiments?
Tell that to Pokèmon fans tho
What do you wanna tell? My “collection” that I spent 4K on years ago is now worth over 100k. But ya it’s not investable 😂😂😂
@@Max_Power_007 best to sell when u can before fad fades an drops
@@darioperez5084 it’s been 10 years…. Pokémon ain’t going anywhere, it’s only gotten more popular 😁
@@Max_Power_007 Cool now find someone to buy it for that much
I always laugh when people are talking about reprints there's always some "investor" being like nnnooooo muh investment
They really think its the stock market or something
I know its controversial, but Ima say it. A lot of TCG players put their own self worth into how "good they are" at the game.
Some players want there to be a difference between "casual" and "hardcore" players. They want there to be a tier of players with "the best cards", and they want to continue beating people with less expensive decks. Whenever a reprint set comes out, I've heard players complain that "now everyone has a Baronne". Players put their entire identify and self validation into being good at yugioh. They want there to be a barrier to enter. If they didn't they'd be playing competitive chess, or any competitive video game. But here they are. Spending $300 on Fiendsmiths.
Rather than work on themselves, some players will get a sense of self improvement through spending racks on the new Yugioh deck. There was a player at my locals that insulted my friend for playing Yubel while the deck was more or less budget and new. Now, its the deck he plays, and has all the QCRs for it. Like bro, you just insulted someone for playing the same deck but now that its the best deck in the room combined with demonsmiths, here you are.
I love this comment because this is more common in a lot of OTSs I go to. No one wants to run like a random archetype for fun like Dinowrestlers or Weather Painters. It's either meta or nothing, aka most people look at themselves like they're damn Seto Kaiba.
Konami is literally one announcement away from axing Yugioh for good, which is why putting self-worth into something like this is not just incredibly risky, but a sunk-cost fallacy in the end.
@@pamoon_ axing yugioh? Isn't the game still profitable for them?
This right here @teamaps pin 📍 this
@@bramderacourt9499 What he means is that Konami could decide today that it doesn't want to produce yugioh anymore and then suddenly all their cards could be worthless if everyone moves on. Obviously yugioh is still massively profitable for Konami so that's not going to happen.
The point is that tying your self worth to something that at any moment could get deleted from this earth with no say by you is kind of a stupid move and a stupid risk to take with your money. At least stocks are regulated and in some ways insured.
I know I'm good at yugioh.....I also know I'm a poor axe biotch so I will fall victim to decks that have all those staples...but in an environment where the field is level I find that I can do quite well....hell even the other week I beat like 4 meta decks in master duel with basic bare bones elemental heroes (bare bones by 2024 standards meaning no vision hero support...honestly I find the deck does not need it to pop off)....it was a great feeling for sure...and there are a few archetypes I still actually want to learn meta or not
How else am I supposed to get rich? Being a productive member of the economy?
You do realize Elon musk ran Twitter into the ground right and Amazon undercuts other businesses because of monopolistic practices. Every market crash was rich ppl and institutions gambling with the economy.
To spell it out, the richest ppl are the least productive in an economy.
In this economy? /s
F that man! Don't give up on day trading. You can get rich! lmao joking. Day trading REALLY not viable...AT ALL xD
Scam people on boring stuff, not the things we do for fun. The entire CG investment mentality is blatant disregard of the don't piss where you drink rule of watering holes.
Please tell me how you’re a productive member of the economy 😂
MTGs fate as a speculative investment asset was signed before many players were born, back in the mid 90s with the reserve list. Konami didn't really let yugioh become a speculative investment asset like WOTC did for magic. WOTC firmly seems to believe investment bros are needed to keep the game afloat because players just playing the game aren't good enough to do so. Konami took the path of "Lets just have a half hour commercial air on after school TV every day and call it a TV show" and tapped into kids instead of 30-40 year old failed wall street investors.
more like "big time wanna-be" investors, which... is a failure of investments in this economy.
What...? You proved what exactly
@@dankenstein528 Sorry to break it down to you BUT grading cards became a trend 2 years before the Corona outbreak... NONE before knew what s grading... Be honest plz.
It's pretty dumb as a stance too with MTG where they think oh we need people who treat the game as an investment. Pretty dumb take when the playerbase is millions upon millions, not sure how many play MTG now but it wouldn't shock me if it's 20 million people playing.
@@dark_rit When the reserved list was created, it was in response to 4th ed MtG absolutely gutting the value of cards and people stopping buying cards. IIRC they were flirting with bankruptcy during that time, and it was only through the creation of the reserved list that had investors buying packs again.
This entire premise is why I focused almost entirely on common cards in my deck when available. If I had a higher rarity version, then sure, I can use that; but I'm not going out of my way to upgrade rarities when it's not going to make my deck any better. When Mirror Force was printed as common and all of a sudden everyone had one, the top players at my LCS were pissed because of the price of their Ultra Rares going down and not because everyone now had access to a card they should've had access to before.
I'm starting to play Yu Gi Oh this year, and one thing I'm realizing is how scarce some essential cards are, like I'm just trying to build a functional deck not tier 0 meta deck and I'm having difficulties in finding basic archetype cards of "outdated" (3-5 years ago) decks.
That's crazy !!!
bro just give up. You spend on this game to build your casual 4fun deck and it gets obliterated by literally 1 card. Imagine sitting to play and you can't play stuff you paid for, due to how many negates are there? Imagine: You go to stores, open packs, search for prices, spend your hard earned money to buy the deck, spend time to learn how to play it and practice, learn the combos and interactions, spend time going to a place and finding people to play, sit to play, and after building your board and strategy, your opponent summons Nibiru that's a card that punishes you for playing the game, and wins because he just had 1 specific card in his hand.
Let that sink in....
You know it's a serious Paul video when it's on the main channel and not Amplifier.
Now I feel dumb that I didn't even realize that until reading our comment lol
This looked and played like an Amplifier video, this comment JUST made me look to realize otherwise.
Yes! Omg, just invest in actual investments!!! It's a damn card game!
Because it's fun. No harm in allocating 5% to "alternative assets".
@@monkey39128 then don't cry abut it when your "investment" goes down hill
physical gold and silver bullion
@@hyozanhades09 Gold maybe but silver is a horrible investment. It makes cards look like Berkshire Hathaway stock.
Explain what is "an actual investment". Stocks are literally gambling and if you're a landlord you're a swindler so what are we investing in?
I'm so happy Pokemon is my main TCG. As you say, decks are as expensive as you want them to be. Every card has a budget version (with exceptions, since the most expensive competitive card right now is $25. But you can only have 1 in your deck, so it's not that big of a deal and we are expecting it to be released in a battle deck in november which will cost only $30!!). There are 2 sides to every TCG: The players and the collectors. I don't understand why I should expend 100 dollars on a single cardboard just to play the game.
I run the pokemon section in my lgs. It's doing wonderfully.
It's all because there are no collector player splits in other games. Pokemon has a very healthy collector market and a smaller but healthy player one.
Magic and yugioh only have players so the prices are solely determined by their strength.
Pokemon is probably the worst offender in terms of investment prospectors making cards insanely overpriced, compared to Yu-Gi-Oh where the price is high because people want to play with it. But the pokemon TCG publishers handle it way better by having cheap versions of all cards to play with. Meanwhile Konami exploits the players by having good cards only available in an insanely high rarity.
That's interesting because I abandoned Pokémon when I was still pretty young because of format changes that would make me buy a new deck every time. Is that still a thing?
@@blissbu sure but cards only rotate out after 2 years or 3 so it's not that big a deal. And trainer cards like pokeballs get reprinted so you can keep using them and only have to replace a few cards
@blissbu Rotation happens every year but cards are legal for 2 years after they are printed.
Sure you could completely change decks but some decks stay viable throughout those 2 years.
The way pokemon does rarity is really good as you say. The rarest and most expensive card in a set exists as low rarity version too. The wording and effects are exactly the same. Its just the holo effect and artwork which is different. Not to mention that you can buy competitively competent decks as a sealed product in Pokemon. You have people winning big tournaments with $100 decks. Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG you’re looking at prices in the high hundreds, sometimes even pushing beyond $1,000.
lol most the decks that made it to hawaii in pokemon were sub 50$ decks. lol
im 100% agree. i think all cards should have a basic common rarity so people can actually just play the game as is. the super rare, ghost rare, starlight etc is a bonus that you can use for flex/sell it to people who wants to flex and have tons of money but it shouldn't be a mandatory to spend hundreds of dollar just to have a card to play because it only exist on certain rarity. yugioh mtg or pokemon or whatever need to separate the rarity for people who wants to play (doesn't care about rarity as long as the deck works) and collector/trader and they can do their things at the same time. rarity shouldn't effect any kinds of gameplay
Let bros play the game, theres no reason a new and relatively low dollar investment player shouldn't be able to get a decent deck without dropping more than a tripleA video game for one card cause its hard to find
That’s the companies fault for not printing the powerful cards as lower rarities or actively short printing them. There is low supply and high demand. You don’t blame the person trying to get the best deal. You blame the person that set the arbitrary supply. Bonfire would not be expensive if they had printed as a common.
sometimes they aren't even that hard to find. One Piece has a common from a starter deck currently sitting at $20 per copy because...I don't really know. You can buy two of the starters that have a full playset of the card in it for $20, and yet...
@@paultapping9510thank god blocker queen is getting a reprint, 7 dollars for a damn common, like hell naa bruh, keep that shit to yourself Im fine without it😂
God damn; it’s gone so bad that a YGO channel is talking about the magic bans.
I don't think you watched the video.
@@charlesmartel8056 I’ve watched it.
@@charlesmartel8056 Paul said that he made this video because of the recent Commander bans so i dont think you watched it
@Hurricayne92 I did not say Paul didn't mention MtG. I said I did not think that person watched the video.
Can you imagine if other hobbies were like this? Imagine some record snob being angry about a repress of the first Pink Floyd album coming out because they have a vintage copy
Other hobbies are like this. Most hobbies have tangible items you can buy and resell. Most hobbyists would be pissed if some random neckbeard said no one should play with this particular model/gun/drone anymore, and just by saying that the resale value of your model/gun/drone/whatever fell through the floor. I know y'all are extreme narcissists and can't see past how it affects you, but I recommend trying at least lmfao.
The Lego community is infamously like this, unfortunately
@@blamberton7893 And guess what? You can still play with the 'banned' cards at home whenever you want.
Are you telling me that there isn't rules set down for conventions and competitions when it comes to drones/shooting competitions/modeling? Every 40K/Warmachine tourney that I went to had restrictions built into them. Couldn't use that awesome looking kit-bashed unit that you use in all your non-tourney games because it's not using 60% proprietary model parts, despite being instantly recognizable as that unit. Nearly every shooting competition that I've seen had limitations on what type and style of firearm could be used.
There's nothing stopping you from using these banned cards in kitchen table magic, just like there's no rules saying you can't proxy in that sweet custom model in non-tourneys or (following local laws) use whatever gun you want in your local shooting range. In the case of the Commander bannings, you can always ask your casual group (which is what commander is, a casual format) if you can still play them.
If 'some random neckbeard' saying that it's banned drops the resale value through the floor, then maybe the value wasn't that high to begin with?
@@blamberton7893 it's not a random neckbeard that decides bans, it's the comany itself lmao that's why investinf in card games is a bad move, the playing aspect dictates how much a card is wanted, if it suddenly falls off the meta then no one will want it, but if it's too strong it will get banned and sell for less than a dollar
@@vitordarksider Well no. At the time of this recent ban, the commander rules committee was not run by wotc.
Thank you for saying this. I have held this same sentiment with MTG for 15 years. When a game bottles down to “I have more money then you so I win or have a better chance of winning.” it’s no longer fun. The thing that irritated me about the commander bans was the talk show where the rules committee said we don’t want people to lose money. You shouldn’t be in charge of the rules if you’re worried about people’s money and not their play experience. I’m one of the people that lost money with the bans having copies of several of the banned cards and I’ve never wanted to play the game more.
@@IanEatsPie that’s forever going to be a mindset whether the cards are a dollar apiece or if you’re Chase cards are $100 apiece if I have more money than you I can buy more packs. Just remember when you open up a pack of cards or if anybody opens up a pack of cards one of the first thoughts that go through their heads and I gonna get something that’s worth money that’s what keeps our game going. Everything was the price of pieces we wouldn’t have the card games we have today if we had any at all.
I find it silly that this has to be addressed in the first place, but you are completely right about this. People shouldn't be buying this kind of stuff expecting financial results, whether you like playing or collecting, at the end of the day it's a hobby, not stock market.
It's a collectibles market.
@spamtonto it's collectibles.
I'd love to see Yu-Gi-Oh! introduce full art cards that are a separate, higher rarity than the normal rarity cards, much like how Pokemon is.
Yeah, instead of releasing the same Dark Magician in different collectors tins, I’d love to see him in a scene on a full card, like some of the illustration rare Pokémon cards.
I never liked full art cards. Sticking to one card template across the board makes the game looks SO much cleaner when spectated.
@@Lightn0x My own opinion, of course, but I think the card templates for Yu-Gi-Oh! are antiquated and boring.
@@MiraiKishi Hope you like rush duel's layout then, I dont think Konami will ever change the layout as it might make them lose most of the nostalgia based players.
@Lightn0x your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
I love how people try to invest in card games, without acknowledging that investments don’t always yield returns.
I absolutely agree that cards are printed to be played. I understand that people do enjoy collecting them (I have several valuable pieces of cardboard myself), but that’s a secondary hobby, and can’t be the primary concern of those curating a format.
Financierizing everything is about creating debt where there is not. When you buy a stock, the bank owes you money. You can ask the bank to give you the money back.
When you buy a trading card, you have a piece of cardboard or fiat money that people do not even acknowledge as money.
Hey, trading card scalpers, congratulations, you played yourselves.
All these “pokevesters” are gonna be fucked in 20 years lmao
Anyone who holds for that long is asking for trouble. No one can predict what it'll look like in 20 years.
Don't tell them that. We need pokevesters so that there can be people who keep opening the product for singles to be cheaper😂😂
@@monkey39128 Only stuff worth "investing" in is stuff from 2010 and back unless it is some powerful expanded or glc card.
''What do you mean the massively hoarded modern product is not as valuable as the older stuff Logan Paul and other influencers hyped up?!''
@@rek_sai_only1430 That's the nuts thing right now. The new stuff is being pumped while the vintage is cheap and forgotten. Hope it lasts a bit longer so I can finish all the old sets!
As someone whos a magic player, i buy my boxes with the thought process of "at sometime ill hopefully be able to draft these with friends in the future, abd if i dont get to, well i can sell them later" cause i wanna play, card/box value be damned.
A thing with the bannings in commander is people were sending death threats and doxing and threats of violence. Commander isnt a tournament format, its not used for competitive formats except for its very small community of competitive players, its a casual mess around at your kitchen table way of playing. People who were so bent out of shape to send those threats need to look at a mirror or go do something else with their spare time cause its a game, a children's card game.
Also love seeing you guys doing stuff with Proff
what also sucks is online scalpers. because the grubby people that scalp stores at least put in the effort of going there, but the online ones just have a whole lineup of bots doing their bidding stealing our cards.
It being an investment or not is not the problem. The problem is people investing and not understanding that the number one rule for investing is to only invest with money you're okay with losing. If you invest in something and it becoming worthless is a problem for you, you're doing it wrong.
People not understanding what they're doing and complaining about it as if it's someone else's fault. Is that just considered "being Human" at this point?
Yeah if you want to speculate in collectibles then you need 3 things:
1. Other more stable assets (Index funds).
2. Savings so that if expenses come you don't have to suddenly sell everything.
3. E-commerce experience so that you can offload when the time comes.
That is 100% true, but these people reeing about the ban will just blame the rules committee instead of thinking about their poor life choices.
Finally a good take in a comment section filled with people who don't understand a single thing about how the world works
@@ShroomOfSorrow A good comment on TH-cam is like finding a needle in a haystack...that's covered in horse sh*t.
@spamtonto That’s not how fiduciary duty works. All Hasbro would have to do is argue that the game’s imbalance, real or perceived, was leading to a loss or potential loss of customers based on reputation. It would be in the shareholder’s best interest for Hasbro to ensure the game is balanced because not doing so would damage the brand’s reputation
Pokemon has been mitigating this by printing cards at multiple rarities. Giving collectors some alternate arts on even commons and uncommon to go chase while we players can pick up the regular arts for cheap.
You 100# nailed it with this, card games are to be played not treated like stock exchange. It takes the life out of what the game was designed for
Why are they sold in randomized packs with limited print runs then?
To sell to the people that thinks that this cards are special lmao
In MTG there is a growing amount of people who proxy cards (print out a copy of the card) which while almost everyone in a casual environment is totally chill with I find it sad when you have to print out cards because the sellers limit the printing of these cards and a competitive deck is in the hundreds for maybe 5 dollars of cardboard and ink
Pokemon is selling their cards as a kind of art pieces. The new full arts are just amazing!! And yes, Pokemon is still a kids game and they know it and print cheaper versions. So nothing wrong with it.
If someone has a valuable collection because they actively play the game and intend to compete, but also just happens to be able to make some money off of the cards, cool.
If someone is a collector or enjoys pulling from a sealed product and happens to get a high dollar card who then decides to sell for its market value, cool.
If someone scalps the market for the most expensive, highly sought out cards because money, way past uncool.
It's a game with its intention being for people to get together and play with one another. Bond as friends, or as competitors. It's not stocks.
@@hydrotatsumaster True. Except for mtg they made they reserve list to protect investors as long as that around mtg is considered to be an investment or "stocks"
the problem here is there is no way to stop this. A long as a secondhand market exists so will scalpers. It comes with the territory of a free market or mostly free market.
Why is your problem with "scalpers" and not companies charging $200 for boxes of randomized packs of cardboard?
Scalpers are pirates that resell instead of copying. The owner of the product loses more money and customers with scalpers.
Every card should have a common print and the foil/rarity of the cards should be the ones trading with value. I shouldn't need to pay the price of Ultimate Rare to play pot of greed when there is a common.
Yeah it’s really dumb that people treat these cards like they’re money. We don’t live in a Yugioh anime so please stop this nonsense and invest in something REAL like stocks.
Shut up! My Dad told me I can be anything I put my mind to which means I can be Seto Kaiba!
Real stocks should basically be illegal. One of the primary things ruining society because those companies pander to people who only care about making money instead of the people who actually use their service/product. Exactly the same kind of bad as card games only worse because now you're doing it to society as a whole.
There is no reason a non-start up should be taking investors and even then there should be a hard and fast time at which they are forced to stand on their own two feet.
@@RunicSigils So what's your suggestion? Socialism?
@@monkey39128 I'm glad the correct answer is obvious to you too
@@voraito Wait which comment are you responding to? The socialism one?
To me the main problem is that we don't have worldwide releases. Konami can see when a card is going to be good and purposely make them exclusive secret rares here in the tcg
the main selling point of yugioh is legit it's accessibility when it comes to reprints.
AGREE, unless they are unplayable collectors only type cards
Tell that to the poketubers that help inflate prices. Shit, some of those 1st gen pokemon booster boxes are 100s of thousands of dollars. A hobby that was once enjoyable for most people has become a financial investment.
With the old stuff I get it though. It's hard to find and it's a key part of Pokémon history. It's when people start paying $700-800 for Evolving Skies boxes that my brain starts exploding. There was ages where you could buy it at retail. Why didn't these people want it back then?
Pokemon has rotation so people are NOT playing with those super old cards. When cards are active in the format, Pokemon does a good job aggressively reprinting cards so that they are cheap to players. Once the cards are no longer in rotation, players should not care about the prices of unplayable cards, let the collectors blow their money on that stuff.
out of rotation boxes are for general purposes high niche to begin with. if an old card is off interest poeple gets singles, for current play pokemon reprint any card added to rotation. its no issue when collectors spend a lot of money on boxes that are no longer in rotation.
Those TH-camrs are so cringe
It was always a financial investment, the cards aren't given away for free. The prices are determined by what people are willing to pay. For booster boxes that maybe a few thousand exist of in the world, why should you be able to buy it for whatever you think is reasonable?
Isn't people who buys up everything then sell it to others for a higher price, what we call for scalpers?
Yep, but we're not allowed to call them that (among the many other things they deserve to be called) anymore.
@@turtle-bot3049 I don't care if I would hurt their little feeling, I gonna call a scalper for a scalper, a thief for a thief, a scammer for a scammer, and so on.
The good thing about scalpers is that buyers can wait, scalpers have a limited warehouse space. Want to punish them? Wait a few years and when prices collapse, buy.
Do you cry about when you over pay for your new iPhone every year or cry when dealerships sell cars above msrp with their greedy markup? Thought so you 🤡
I've been shouting this from the mountain tops for YEARS! YEARS! And all i ever hear back is "It's an investment since the value goes up." Yeah, sometimes. Just sometimes. Very rarely. Cardboard is one of the dumbest places to put your money if you want to grow it.
When a hobby becomes a hustle, the hobby dies
A LOT of people were trying to use the fact people can make proxies as a defense for being able to have those cards at insane prices.
Proxies are great for when you dont want to commit to a change in your decks, youre looking to test out a card, you dont want to take a card out of another deck, or hell even when you dont want to buy a card. However, a card having an insane price tag while being an IMPORTANT STAPLE is outright ridiculous and while it can be proxied, thats not the reason for why it should be.
And even that argument falls apart when proxies aren't allowed at official Yugioh tournaments, including sanctioned locals.
Agreed, though proxies are also good in casual settings if everyone knows about them upfront
Absolutely. I've got several proxies across a couple Decks with the intent on getting the cards... eventually.
If you are using a proxy but don't have at least 1 real copy you shouldn't be using them period even casually it's usually frowned upon and a large group won't even let you play unless they aren't in your deck
You do you man but my play group has no problems with it and several of us do it. Besides, I'm even playing cards that aren't out yet in the TCG like MⱯLICE so sometimes having the actual TCG cards just isn't a thing.
When i was a kid, up to my late teens even, I never really thought about resale value or pulling rares or whatnot. The fun was in building decks and playing with them. I sleeved cards because other people did, and I copied them.
Nowadays I'm more money conscious and will sleeve cards (though I'm now a board gamer rather than a TCGer) to maintain their condition, so that I don't need to buy replacements, which can be pricey, and the condition is maintained should I decide to sell the game later.
I can't fathom buying single cards just to sell them on again; that takes the fun out of it, in my opinion. They are GAMES- and games are meant to be played.
I started before sleeves were a thing. I started sleeving when others did, because I didn't want to have to replace cards. Down the road a number of years, I can't even afford to replace those cards, so I guess that paid off.
Here’s a gross thing, in the Philippines in my yugioh community, the more “wealthy” people, will horde high rarity cards and then flip them only to people in the west for 10x the value. The issues is that sometimes those cards are needed for play. So when local people need those cards, we can’t get them for a decent price since a minority group of players only sells at high western prices. It’s pretty awful! I highly recommend you westerners not buy up all the Asian English cards as it makes it incredibly difficult and expensive for the majority of players in the Philippines
Very interesting perspective
@@armastus1474 I totally get where you're coming from, but unfortunately for you guys, it doesn't say where the cards come from most of the time.
TCGs aren't an investment, it's gambling. Opening a pack is like pulling the slot handle
@@Renncia yes
So happy to see more creators than just magic creators. I really urge player to play budget!
Been screaming this from the rooftops for years. It's a game! The cards are like chess pieces! Can you imagine if the only chess pieces available were ones made of gold and diamonds? Card games need their equivalent to cheap wooden pieces to thrive, because how else is a game going to live if people can't play with basic pieces to the game? Let starlights and the other premium rarities be absurd in price, but the base rarity cards need to be accessible or else we can't play the game!
When I was a kid, this type of person pissed me off to no end. I just wanted to collect some cool cards and play the game. As an adult I have seen a few incidents of moms struggling to find Pokemon cards at local stores, so I still don't respect these investors.
They can do whatever they want I guess, but I'm not going to care if their investments don't work out.
I proxy everything
cardboard should not be expensive
It shouldn't have any value at all except for the entertainment value, you can't sell poker cards.. in the same TCG capacity
@@slimynaut but paying for the format balancing and game design is pretty logical , they pay people to come up with card effects. It’s not that the cardboard itself cost money but the effort put into the game
Printer ink on the other hand 😂😂😂
@@0doge632If staple rare cards were 10 dollars I think almost everyone would accept that. But only Pokémon tcg is able to achieve this by thriving off the collectors market and by making multiple rarities.
@@0doge632 Yeah that really doesn't justify why you can't print Mana Crypt as a common one time in 20 years.
I prefer the solution of having high rarity cards for collectors and traders with fancy art but also low rarety low price versions.. like old yu gi oh had that to a degree.. I remember back when i played.. wich was mostly LoB era a blue eyes from the starter was like cents to maybe a dollar and a blue eyes from the booster like 50 times as much.. same for dark magician. Also fancier artwort for the booster ones of high rarity might get collectors interested. But i prefer not hurting one in order to cater to the other community if possible.. but collectors/traders need to know: without anyone playing the game, they got 0 practical value
@@johanneskaramossov5103 that’s literally what the video said
The practice i have talked about is what about a standard pack/set on new release, but when next set hits pre-release, a full common set is released for purchase of the previous set. 1 copy of each. That way, more people can get ready for new set, but does not affect the rarity of og set cards.
I love the most recent yu gi oh tin because before it came out, i couldn't find a copy of toon kingdom for under 30 dollars. I'm not trying to make some ultra meta deck with toons, in fact im making a pegasus deck that has relinquished cards and toons in it together despite the lack of any real synergy.
Since the reprint of toon kingdom in that tin the card now costs 5 dollars and buying a set of it for a deck is much more reasonable
I've been saying this for 8 years and got told I'm dumb. Stop sleeping on your boy.
Right on man. It's not a sudo stock market, it's Trading card Game.
A limited print run collectible sold in randomized packs? Sounds investable.
It can be both! Some trading card stores rely on selling singles to stay afloat so people have a place to play these games. If good cards weren't allowed to be sold for a higher price there would be no incentive to buy boosters or sell cards you don't want to use.
Having the only playable version of the card as an investment often isn't wise. Once a reprint comes out, it'll likely lose a good amount of value because players don't always care about how shiny or rare that original copy was, if they are just trying to play it, so that version is no longer as desirable.
Meanwhile, if the more affordable version existed from the start, then the rarer version will always retain it's value, unless the card itself suddenly loses interest, for example, if the card becomes completely powercrept that it is no longer playable and nobody really wants any version of the card. It happens, but a lot less than reprints that are guaranteed. An example could be Ultimate Rare Lightning Vortex, but the card is actually doing well because of older formats.
I think it is most important to make every card cheap and accessible BUT also offer something as a bonus for the collecting side of things. For example: The 25th Anniversary Kaiba briefcase might be my favourite collector's item in quite a while. It doesn't damage the game or player and you have something nice and collectible for your shelf 👍
The perhaps KONAMI shouldn't demand you INVEST 360€ on a playset of the newest staple, 150€ on the newest dominus trap playset and then some.
Just my 2 cents.
100% With any TCG the problem is short printing extremely rare cards. It just drives the value up and encourages investing/ reselling etc. If the hard to pull cards were still rare but much more obtainable than they are now then those values would plummet. I would love to get a copy of Magia but Konami can go to hell if they think I’m going to buy packs when the odds are abysmally low and I’m not paying hundreds to a reseller either.
They don't. The neckbeards optimizing the fun out of the game did that for you.
@blamberton7893 any player with decent deck building would arrive at the same conclusions. Optimization is the natural progression of ANY competitive game. Even Lorcana has it and that game JUST made a year old.
@@blamberton7893 Anyone can tell that some cards are better than others. Doesn't take neckbeards, if you have the drive to do better then you'll eventually end up with the same ideas.
@@jeanpitre5789 lol okay net decker 😂
Turn lights to finally hear somebody say yes they are not a financial investment it's a damn game
It simple: Little Timmy investors keep thinking they get rich off trading card games by doing buyouts, and this there only investment. Then when the price drops they cry foul and say lost everything. If you want to get into the TCG, Comics, Video Games and Funko pops, make sure you have investments else where like S&P stock index etc. These should where you play with money you not afraid to lose.
These TCG holders are like the Beanie Babies of 90s, one crash and bam, cardboard that is worthless, but first it be funko pops
You're aware these TCGs existed alongside Beanie Babies and have 30 years of data behind them now right?
@@spamtonto Sure TCG's aren't Beanie Babies but what they said about having other investments is nearly always the best course.
Details about the MTG Commander situation:
-Commander is a player-created format. It's intended for casual play, although some players do play it competitively. Notably, Wizards of the Coast does not sanction Commander tournaments. They do, however, make products specifically designed for it.
-For most of Commander's history, its rules and banlist were run by a volunteer Rules Committee.
-Recently, the Rules Committee banned a set of high value cards.
-Some bad actors made death threats to the Rules Committee over the bans.
-In light of the death threats, the Rules Committee voluntarily handed over control of the format and its ban list to Wizards of the Coast.
I agree that cards should be treated as game pieces first, collectibles second. Should you have to be able to afford a king to play chess?
Pokemon doesnt have this at all because they print everything in multiple rarities in multiple prodocts.
People buy cards because they look good and collectable. A cards strength in comparison to its price is almost unrelated because of this.
Also, it’s the most successful media franchise in history and it won’t lose that #1 spot for several years, you 🤡
@@Max_Power_007 probably several decades you 🤡
That's why i play Cardfight Vanguard since it has no value
A fellow vanguard player. Nice.
I only go for high rarity in the decks that I play and when I do, they are usually the cheapest cards in their base rarity. I also actually play with them cuz the feeling of flashing gold only happens once
Say it louder for the people in the back!
Absolute dumbassery treating cards like stocks.
I’m against it, but investors win more than they lose. The majority of consumers are young adults who don’t know how to manage their money correctly. It’s almost too easy to make money off of them.
@@TheOfficialRandomGuy not entirely true, majority of the time we see people in their 30’s who don’t spend their paycheck on much more than TCG’s defending their purchases and trying to gatekeep the actual game side of it by scalping the cards. More often than not, these are the people who tell you “if you can’t afford it then you shouldn’t play” when they are the ones operating the shops on tcgplayer hiking what could be a 20 dollar card up to 120. people think Konami has any say about card prices once they leave the factory, but they don’t, that’s all secondary market bb.
@@SageTigerStar and you know why they hike cards up to $100+? Because they know someone will buy it. And why is that? Because they don’t manage their money.
Btw, the ones who say “if you can’t afford it, then don’t play.” Are the ones that are in debt with the game, and are trying to defend their poor purchasing habits.
Thanks for making a drawn out reason why I’m right.
@@TheOfficialRandomGuy wow, someone got a bad case of the "UHM ACKSHULLY"s today. lmfao
@@SageTigerStar that’s you bro. Who started the argument?
8:30 yeah... A staple card should never be your credit card in building these decks....
You shouldn't be so willing to buy randomized packs of limited-production cards if you think they should exclusively be game pieces. Why wouldn't you just buy complete decks for like $10 if this is the case?
Ghost Rares are another great example.
Honestly, I think the bigger problem is that these companies are welling cards the way they are...
Like, they should just sell the cards as sets and not make them a gamble....
Remember, we are a race of creatures that turned stone and made it worth a lot despite it having no actual function....
Then no one would buy it lol
Definitely agree. Love the Pokemon rarity system. Also much prefer full arts to just foiling. I would love Yu-Gi-Oh to be more reasonably priced and would gladly pay extra to have full arts of my favorite cards
Me: already writing and angry response and diss track. 📝📝📝
Edit: angry diss track has been put on hold. 😭😭
"Sell these cards NOW before their price drops!"
Yet another reason why Master Duel is increasingly becoming the better way to play.
I wouldn't even give Konami money or time for that game, play on a free emulator.
@@Tyler-Wiley Understandable
@@Tyler-Wiley I play on YGO Omega! Haha! Queues are decent whether it is ranked or casual. What emulator do you play?
@@BGLoscar
DuelingBook.
Master Duel is also worse practice ... You have to start with crap decks, with so many cards and strategies, why YU-GI-OH ‼️, kills this with pay for packs approach in digital‼️ they should make alot of cards available in the digital game atleast,‼️
I also love that pokemon seperates collectors vs players by having the secret illustration rares be simply cooler versions of cards available in lower rarity because it completely eliminates the inherent tension between collectors, who want things in the best condition, and players, who are going to naturally wear on cards over the course of play.
totally agree
my relatives owns a card shop, he always saw primary school students saying they are rich because they pulled out a "relatively" expensive pokemon card, but my relatives did not have a customer trading books or p2p trading area, so those children will go to another shop which offers 30%of commission of the selling price and sell the cards at the average market price.
some will buy cheaper card and try to sell it later when that card become expensive, which actually is even cheaper later because of the reprint.
i dont know how to give comment or tell the kids about the money problem, but i dont think they should use card as investment at their age
Only reason I don't interact with the irl side (which is arguably the best way to enjoy the games) of OP and Yu-Gi-Oh tcg is because I don't have the money to do so, so yeah fk the current state of the market.
GASP! How dare you speak Absolute Facts!
The people buying and reselling aren't the issue.... the companies artificially making these cards rare are the issue....
bwhahaha wtf lets drop everything to commons and take the whole excitement of getting a rare away, great idea
FINALLY A BIG INFLUENCER CALLING OUT THE GREED OF THE SECONDARY MARKET!! And yes the overpriced cards are sold by SCALPERS!
This is also a big problem in Cardfight Vanguard as well thanks to a certain "influencer" who is not only a scalper but also toxic and a bully!
I wanna get into pokemon collecting again but gosh it's like taking part in casino gambling. People say Don't buy this or that and store cards safely if you want the most money and more money on storing
ESPECIALLY Pokemon, way too many people are just collectors who don’t even play the game
We have a guy who comes into my locals and buys a ton of new products. My buddies and I go in and raid his bulk. When 151 came out, I had three full 4-4 lines of Venomoth just from him.
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with just being a collector. But there's a big difference between a collector and an "investor"
And pokemon's game loop is bearable brain rot
Yeah, collecting is a fine hobby, and it's not about making money.
I collect and do not play, but I never do so thinking of it as an investment opportunity. I just like the art.
The only way to solve this is to get rid of buying and selling and have to win cards through matches, Battle City Style
They still had card shops during Battle City lmao. Hell, that was Grandpa's job lmao.
And stealing!
The earliest couple of sets of MtG actually had an ante system built into the game. At the start of the game each player would flip the top card of their deck and the winner got the opponent's card. There were even cards which interacted with the ante, like demonic contract which let you draw back to a full hand but then you ante'd an additional card. The ante system was scrapped when the game came under fire for gambling laws though.
I'm more collector than duelist, but I do understand that card prices are not stable. If they lose value, it's on me for holding onto them. It's why I try not to put too much money into this game.
oh no, game piece army alert!
Right haha
Preach, bro. People want to invest in the thing they love, but in this case, it's detrimental to that thing they love. Don't shit where you eat, don't invest where you play.
It's not even a good, stable investment anyway 💀
People just don't want others to get good cards so there deck seems better so they can claim there better when I reality they just have more money
It's not that they have more money, it's that they have no more hobbies lol
Like Kaiba in the Yu-Gi-Oh! show xD That's literally what he did! :D
@@RublasSama that is a fair point tbh, also some people are willing to essentially go without other things or overspend
@@Left4Plamz your not wrong
I try to always emphasize to people when they are taking Yugioh too seriously, the packaging says age 6+. This is not an investment, it’s a kid’s game.
I mean, they can be. but you probably shouldn't
Pokemon investors have crushed S&P investors since 2015.
@@spamtonto Yeah can't argue with that. Pokemon is on a mad bull run for the most part. Mind you there was a nice opportunity to get some S&V boxes in the 80's which I very much enjoyed.
I like how Digimon and One Piece do their printings even more: Just about everything has a common printing. They may have a secret rare or two per set that get up into the $20 range, but even most high rarity cards are less than $5. But in exchange their alternate art cards are EXTREMELY rare, demanding high prices for even the least in-demand game pieces. Building a deck to play with is inexpensive, and collectors looking to invest have rare pieces likely to hold value from their rarity and art quality alone.
They got the idea from pokemon. The price is low because no one plays digimon or one piece in the grand scheme.
Whats really funny is pokemon cards tend to go up in value after they are "banned" or rotate out.
I'm waiting for Konami to announce
the TCG is discontinued and only OCG and Master Duel are available
Honestly, i would be okay with it.
moonnnn
Totally agree.
TL;DR - Houses and Rare Cards are traded very similarly. One's a game, the other is a serious world problem.
Personally i don't think any thing should be an investment except the society its self. You can't own a society but you can put time and energy into it because you believe in its potential.
Investments are what caused the housing crisis and economic crashes. They can just hoard stuff and then you get wild price hikes and its just bad for everyone except rich people.
This is the best take about the commander thing I've heard. Ultimately it is the printer's fault for not printing multiple rarities of cards that lots of people use. (Magic is doing that now for new cards and some newer staples but they intentionally did not do it for the banned cards to sell packs.)
I fall somewhere in between, I love the feeling of pulling something rare and the anticipation that comes with it. That's what makes me want to buy booster packs.
Usually end up stuffing them into my portfolio and looking through them occasionally. Having something valuable does give me a form of comfort, but I would never buy up everything just so others can't have it. If I want to play, I go digital. I have no issue with the idea of different rarities as long as the higher ones still exist and I can get lucky.