In psychic silence, Khârn confessed something he’d never said outside his Legion. ‘Yes, we feel the same. The World Eaters, each and every one of us, knows what you know.’ +Why do you tolerate it?+ ’What can we do? Murder our own father? Did you destroy Lorgar when he led you into worshipping the Emperor? Or did you tolerate him in patience, hoping that eventually he’d find his way to equalling his brothers?’ A pause. A long, long pause. Khârn took it as Argel Tal’s capitulation and pushed on. ‘It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father.’ There was nothing of mockery in the Word Bearer’s reply. Only sympathy. Khârn’s skin crawled. He’d have preferred mockery. +It didn’t work?+ ‘No,’ he muttered, as much to himself as to the distant Word Bearer. ‘It didn’t.’ -Kharn and Argel Tal from the novel Betrayer, regarding Angron'
I love 30k World Eaters. Probably my favorite legion. I hate chaos WE though. I hate the "We have a strong warrior code but we kill for fun and slaughter skulls blood for the blood god!" but I am balls deep in the " Hi, we are regular space marines with a chemical kill engine in our brains and we can't control it. Like the Hulk" Like how Kharn gained the luna wolves respect, until they saw him in combat. And how they are more afflicted by their savageness. Like they might make friends with you, fall subject to their problems, kill you, snap out and regret it. I love that aspect of them.
If the emperor just helped Angron defeat the slavers instead of watching then teleporting him off the planet to watch his friends die it would have solved a lot of daddy issues.
Please, no one wants Angron anyways. He's worse than logar, at least logar was good enough to cause the Horus Herasy and destroy the entire Imperium's future, cause the death of the Emperor and most of his brothers either converted, dead, or missing.. Angron was losing to a bunch of humans, daddy is disappointed Angron. He's the SJW of primarch, loud, obnoxious, violent, but stupid and bad at everything, destroying w/e he touches. Daddy just didn't care about his failure of a son.
Neiasaurus Creation's he had an army of slaves the primarch aren't unbeatable second angron forces won many battle they lost because winter was coming. Attrition took it toil.
It's pretty obvious I was joking anyways. but Angron still was a dead man walking. Butcher nails was going to kill him. So it's natural daddy's failure would either die, or throw a teenage fit. The traitor primarchs are just making daddy more upset, but they don't know how to come back to daddy.
The world eaters nails were still fatal if someone tried to remove them. angron bench-pressed a titans foot to save lorgar on armatura rather than nuceria and angron was actually the second daemon primarch, fulgrim was the third
Just imagine the heart stopping fear a world would have if they heard not only were the world eaters on their way but also the night lords. I'd imagine fear on that scale would caue the entire populace to die of a heart attack.
These are the best 40k factfile videos by a country mile. You should listen to the audiobooks cos some pronounciation are a bit off but this is a minor quibble. I always wonder why Emps didn't just send Angron's legion down to help him and his slave brothers and sisters win that battle. Imagine how that one little thing would have impacted 40k history. Angron would have been eternally grateful to emps instead of resenting him. Ho hum. Anyway keep up the great work.
James.T .Adams I understand sexual release are not part of these potentially psychotic super human primarchs & there murderous soldier sons genetic encoding. 👽👎
X-15 they can’t breed,but they can feel lust,they just have a more secure hold upon their desires...or they *had* a secure hold,until Horus decided to throw a hissy fit.
James.T .Adams I think that they are all geneticly enhanced SUPER SOLDIER'S of a destopyan ran earth & regional solar sys future, & dont be surprised that this prog is in secret development stages as we watch WH40K...
I’ve always wondered if the Nails were created by a (possibly long dead) Khorne cult because the Nails, and Nuceria generally, are so Khornate yet the fluff never actually names them as such. It is never explained how the Nails, a device putatively designed for human brains, worked on a Primarch’s very differently architected brain. Kharne’s fall to Chaos is quite unexplained. He was disgusted by the newly daemonic Angron and the Legion’s newfound lack of discipline and cohesion.
My lord of executions is a world eater. well he will be. he's one of the next conversions I will do. you can make that base mini look really cool with a bit of love. I picked up a champion of khorne helmet and massive axe from AoS that look like world eaters gear. Also got some world eater cultists. I should probably add some berserkers to my army, but I'm holding out for new chaos stuff next year. we might get primaris scale world eaters stuff and that would be amazing.
i think the few World Eaters that allied with the Alpha Legion marines early in the Heresy series deserved a mention. they were trying to cripple/destroy Horus’ new enormous warship, so they stowed away and raised hell for a long time. the World Eaters let themselves be taken by the rage one by one, buying time and bringing many traitors with them. spoiler alert but if i remember correctly, their sacrifices allowed the Alpha boys to make it to the engine room and superheat the core. we actually got a surprising amount of insight to the World Eaters in that book as well, i just don’t remember the title unfortunately.
With all due respect, you're wrong about the night of the wolf being the first instance of astartes on astartes violence, that title went to when a space wolf executed a flesh-change thousand son on a joint campaign
Kharn is Right... however since the records have been expunged from imperial data bases we will never know the truth. Although Russ does make some comments leading to the belief he was the Executioner of the lost Primarchs. Yet possibly one more reason Russ was named the Big E's executioner.
the big E didn't send Russ he went on his own claiming the big E sent him to stop him. read betrayer, Angron goes over this with Lorgar. Angron called him out on it stating he couldn't kill him even if he wanted too because the Big E didn't send him and then Angron laughed in Russ face saying how he's a whipped dog where he is a warrior and so are his sons "My life means nothing to them just as their lives mean nothing to me, warriors all with their passions lit aflame by the butchers nails". They will keep fight even if Angron fell. Yes he did lose but Russ didn't win either, because he wouldn't go that extra mile to put down his brother and thinking that this "lesson" would ever get through Angrons thick broken head. #Russ lost and he knows it
Anthony Cucalon, if Angron were dead, there would bee no big hitter adequate to take Russ. The Wolves are a more tactically flexible bunch, and would have run the 12th off of the planet. The 12th would never have stood down, and would have been chewed apart by controlled tactics.
I thought magnus ascended during the seige of terra and its up in the air to whether angel extermanatus took place before betrayer. Or were those retconned after this video?
You know there is one thing I dont get about Angrons story, why did the emperor let Angrons revolt die? Why not either recruit them or drop inand either make a peace with the Nucerian guys or just kill them into submission? Just seems like a lazy way to stir up some angst between the Emperor and Angron to me...
i can just imagine opening the World Eaters’ armories and seeing servitors and raged-out space marines squirting industrial sized bottles of ketchup on everything
Did the World Eaters kill all of the physics and librarians off of their Chapter and isn't they chapter no more because they are just tiny groups of berserkers and I don't think they use ships or vehicles or long range weapons because I never heard or seen the World Eaters with them.
Cacaboy 300gamer as I mentioned in the video, the world eater librarians were unable to receive the Butcher's Nails so there weren't many of them by the time of the Heresy. They tried to stop Lorgar from ascending Angron to daemonhood, and were then all butchered by Angron after the transformation. So yes, they killed them all, and can't recruit more because of the Nails
oh just another question and I know its quite late to ask but do the World Eaters use long range weapons or techmarines they seem to not like long range
Cacaboy 300gamer they are CQB specialists but they do use warpsmiths (chaos techamarines) and Havocs (devastator squads/heavy weapons) they were a space marine legion and mostly kept to the structure of a legion. after they became warbands, they still varry in form just like any chapter of space marines does
Cacaboy 300 yes they use long range they have tech priest they even had a forge world. But they did not agree with imperial doctrine. The world eaters had one of the best armored vehicles.
Faith is purest when it is unquestioning b0ss I also think it was mentioned that Kharn wasn’t the strongest World Eaters either, perhaps not even the best fighter of his legion.
I would like to hear a theory on something i came across while reading a 40k book. In the Ravenor omnibus, a blunter/untouchable was slowly turned into a normal human. Without spoiling too much, he was assigned to guard the body of an unconscious psyker. The psyker was a type called a 'mirror' who could read telepathic communications near by and also had some precognitive capabilities. The blunter spent months (or even years) in close proximity to the psyker, staying next to him at all times. Eventually the psyker was able to communicate with him psykicly, and even control his action, such a forcing him to sit down and eventually control his mouth and speek through him. What do you think about this? (I am also going to ask 40K Theories to see what he thinks.)
I feel like their reputation as mindless chaotic murder machines in 40k is overstated. For them to survive the losses of the Heresy, PLUS 10000+ years of frontal combat, most warbands must have found a kind of balance that allows them to replace losses, command fleets, and not just rush like lemmings into the nearest enemy defenses. Sure, they rely heavily on their human serfs for repairs, shipmasters, etc., like all marines. But I imagine that the best WE warlords have the strength of will to resist the nails long enough to command effectively. And they still need range and vehicular specialists-I suspect these guys are a mix of recruited outsiders, recently ascended WE, or WE who intentionally turn down the nails (although I’m sure this would be controversial, but once the legion fractures). Or am I just overly hopeful that some others thought like Dreagher did? Thoughts?
The Emperor should've just aided Angron at the time, that way a sense of loyalty would've been established and some, if not most of his comrades could've survived the battle and join the Imperium under Angron's command. With the introduction to his new legion, Angron maybe wouldn't have lashed out on them, resulting in killing them as well as despising his own legion. He'd probably just oblige with what the Emperor had to say and accepted all of them instead. Who knows, perhaps the World Eaters never would've fallen into Chaos under these circumstances and remained loyal to the Imperium. Although, due to the nails in Angron's head he'd eventually die because of how they were tearing him, since he would still retain his human body and not turn into a demon.
Angron may have lost The Night of The Wolf but Russ didn't win either... His goal was to get Angron to stop implanting the nails which he didn't and too see the damaged he was doing to his sons which again he didn't..... and Russ was not sent by big E Russ took it upon himself to try and nock some senes into his brother... Russ even says so in Betrayer
I never really cared for the World Eaters myself. The one point I ever saw that made me see anything really redeeming or interesting in them was in Galaxy of Flames. The speech and moment where the World Eaters hiding in the bunker mention "Going further" and their own philosophy. It was honestly the only time I had seen World Eaters as something other than rabid dogs and saw a particular sense of real character behind them.
Haven't read that one yet. Be kind of interesting to read, perhaps. Funny thing is when I tell people lately "Khornates are nothing but rabid dogs" (Which I really do believe, Honor is a myth in Khorne, a truth in Slaanesh though) a lot of counter-arguments people tell me come from Horus Heresy stuff, before the World Eaters fully embraced Khorne.
There's some pretty good books in the HH series and also there's a hell of a lot of them. I guess everyone has read one or two. Yeah, I liked Betrayer. I like the way ADB writes Lorgar and it's funny how him and Angron kind of become buddies in a chaos-tainted way.
Well ADB would be the good one to cover such things. He's a Chaos Fanboy after all and does do his level best to really make them shine. Though it's also why I'm dreading ever reading Master of Mankind since they got the Chaos Fanboy to write a novel about how the Emperor is a Dick, Horus Was Right, and everything from what I've seen and heard... -_-
I think what ADB was going for in MoM is that the Emperor appears differently to whoever he speaks to in a form that allows him the most influence over them (my theory). When speaking to the mechanicum guy he appears indifferent about the primarchs because it makes him look like an engineer. He bigs up the custodes so one of them is prepared to make a sacrifice at the end, etc. My problem is that he seems kind of underpowered when dealing with the big daemon enemy in the book. But, yeah, ADB has made all his chaos characters seem more relatable than the big E who does come across as kind of an arsehole.
While this legion could be considered the deadliest, they can also be considered the biggest failures. Angron for example found himself as a gladiatorial slave and failed to conquer his homeworld like his brothers,The legion lost many of their commanders just through Angron pissy fit (Thanks to the Emperor being a dumbass), They had no rhyme or reason, they disobeyed the most simplest of orders and found themselves being condemned by everyone, They were the first to turn traitor, they were still hated by the other traitor legions, Angron was tricked into becoming a fucking Daemon Prince, The legion found themselves becoming slaves of Khorne (Either because they loved slaughter or they enjoyed Khorne Flakes cereal), Kharn went apeshit against his own men, and finally the legion is all but shattered. Anyways...I have the reports from my scouting of the next world you're visiting again. :3
Well about Corax i agree to some degree,well since the Emperor told him to nuke some cities on Kiavahr so he could totally dominate the world,but about the Lion no.By the time The Emperor arrived The Lion conquered Caliban.
Am I a heratic for wondering if Kharn was killed by Sigismund during the battle for Terra? I never heard who killed Kharn then and think that fight could have been amazing .
The great 12th legion who must really have loved their Gene father because he let them put the butcher's nails in their heads. Then luckily they did find how much fun following Khorne can be. I wonder if any of the now Khorne Berserkers still have the butcher's nails or did Khorne fix this issue with combat drugs like pcp.
If I remember right (this was in the 4th Edition CSM codex I believe), they still implant the retrofitted nails - it's how the Black Legion is able to have Khorne Berserkers in its ranks.
The Wowmedic - pcp may actually help them! or what about a daily load up of heroin or morphine? THAT would probably take a lot of the fight outta them! Hahahahaha nod nod zzzzz
You mentioned that the only time that the only time that the WE warbands have come back together was during the 1st War for Armeggedon, but what about Kharn's Butcherhorde? that's supposes to be very large as well. Granted it's not just WE, but c still. ..
I meant that Armageddon was the only time the LEGION reunited. Warbands have fought together before, absolutely, and probably in decent numbers, but never on a scale reminiscent of the Legion days.
i love angron. angron did nothing wrong, the emperor killed the real angron when he fucked up and stole angron from him final battle, and it really seems like it was purely because he was butthurt about angron's initial rejection.
the Scouring where they wiped out the whole population over night happened when Angron faught Russ and when papa smurf protested before the night of the wolf. The battle of Skalathrax was caused because of the slave wars. but again very well done.
Pro tip: When making your holy army to fight the ruinous powers and reclaim the universe for the glory of the emporor, consider not giving too many guns to the guys calling themselves “World Eaters”. The same goes for the “Gang rape Appreciation Society” and “People for the Nuclear Extermination of All Living Things” :P I know it is a reference to Angron’s past, but come the fuck on man! Might as well have called them “Evil McEvilface” XD
@Tactica Imperialis fire fist does join the black legion read abaddon: chosen of chaos, fire fist wants to execute a marine and he wears black, also i know u dont have time but i like to state my source
I believe they are able to implant the Butcher's Nails into Astartes themselves these days, obviously they kept the design from Angron. Anyone they do it to presumably becomes an honorary member and a Khorne Berzerker
King Baldwin IV Yes and Yes. Like any faction of Astartes gene seed is a top priority for the Legion. If I remember right Kharn and another Officer in the legion lamented on the dead and feared that one day the legion shall be no more. When it comes to apothecaries.... They care enough to try to keep them alive for they realize they are what keeps the legion alive but will kill them without the slightest thought if they either anger them and just cant restrain themselves or if said apothecary challenges them to a duel. When your a apothecary of the 12th Legion you stand a better chance then most of your brothers but that still doesn't mean your even remotely safe. If you want a legion that doesn't care for their gene seed and apothecaries talk to the Third Legion.
I think Angrons whole story is stupid: 1) If his infant ass just shytkicked several eldar aspect warriors, how did ho mer simpson manage his capture? 2) If the emperor knew the butchers nails were bad, why didnt he say something at the start? Why wait till it was endemic and then send Russ to show him a metaphor? 3) How is it that Magnus got a council, Lorgar got his city nuked and Kurze got arrested, but Angron got vague admonishments. Butchers Nails are heretek, Angron was a poor commander at best and his legion went rogue. How he not censured??? 4) Why emps not just wipe out nucerian tyrants, save Angrons friends, make him happy? 5) GW, please explain how allowing a mentally broken criminal to murder the entire upper and much of the middle command echelons of a space marine legion makes any sense? Explain how it COULD even function without ranking officers?
I'd have to go digging around in the timeline to see if we have a solid answer to that. Lorgar is the most obvious since he had already fallen to Chaos before the corruption of Horus, but I would wager Angron/Mortarion/Perturabo were amongst the first
Inquisitor Thomas hmmmm is that why you keep hunting this tau? Do you just want some more blue head? Don't worry inquisitor your secret is safe with me. (wink wink)
In psychic silence, Khârn confessed something he’d never said outside his Legion.
‘Yes, we feel the same. The World Eaters, each and every one of us, knows what you know.’
+Why do you tolerate it?+
’What can we do? Murder our own father? Did you destroy Lorgar when he led you into worshipping the Emperor? Or did you tolerate him in patience, hoping that eventually he’d find his way to equalling his brothers?’
A pause. A long, long pause. Khârn took it as Argel Tal’s capitulation and pushed on.
‘It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached
us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father.’
There was nothing of mockery in the Word Bearer’s reply. Only sympathy. Khârn’s skin crawled. He’d have preferred mockery.
+It didn’t work?+
‘No,’ he muttered, as much to himself as to the distant Word Bearer. ‘It didn’t.’
-Kharn and Argel Tal from the novel Betrayer, regarding Angron'
a really good book
Loved that book.
Dude Nice speach now im gonna kill some loyalists
One of my favorite HH novels.
Yea...
I love 30k World Eaters. Probably my favorite legion. I hate chaos WE though. I hate the "We have a strong warrior code but we kill for fun and slaughter skulls blood for the blood god!" but I am balls deep in the " Hi, we are regular space marines with a chemical kill engine in our brains and we can't control it. Like the Hulk" Like how Kharn gained the luna wolves respect, until they saw him in combat. And how they are more afflicted by their savageness. Like they might make friends with you, fall subject to their problems, kill you, snap out and regret it. I love that aspect of them.
Ad I love the innocent white, calming blue color scheme. lol
That they're victims of a problem they cant control which alienates them from all others?
If the emperor just helped Angron defeat the slavers instead of watching then teleporting him off the planet to watch his friends die it would have solved a lot of daddy issues.
TI has a video discussing why the emperor didn't help, it's interesting stuff but another FFS moment for the big E.
Please, no one wants Angron anyways. He's worse than logar, at least logar was good enough to cause the Horus Herasy and destroy the entire Imperium's future, cause the death of the Emperor and most of his brothers either converted, dead, or missing.. Angron was losing to a bunch of humans, daddy is disappointed Angron. He's the SJW of primarch, loud, obnoxious, violent, but stupid and bad at everything, destroying w/e he touches. Daddy just didn't care about his failure of a son.
Neiasaurus Creation's he had an army of slaves the primarch aren't unbeatable second angron forces won many battle they lost because winter was coming. Attrition took it toil.
It's pretty obvious I was joking anyways. but Angron still was a dead man walking. Butcher nails was going to kill him. So it's natural daddy's failure would either die, or throw a teenage fit. The traitor primarchs are just making daddy more upset, but they don't know how to come back to daddy.
Zoo probably would of made Angron the most loyal son of the emperor if he helped him.
A fun guy to hang around, that Kharn.
He fucked over the rest of the world eaters because his best friend argel tal got killed
M4kimies what a swell guy
The world eaters nails were still fatal if someone tried to remove them.
angron bench-pressed a titans foot to save lorgar on armatura rather than nuceria and angron was actually the second daemon primarch, fulgrim was the third
Who cares nerd
@@kailiciousthumbsup why you here then bitchass?!
@@kailiciousthumbsup FRIG OFF CHAD
I thought Angron was the first, Magnus second, and Fulgrim third to achieve apotheosis...
"Rage is the last great adventure left to me." - Captain James " mad AF" Hook
Just imagine the heart stopping fear a world would have if they heard not only were the world eaters on their way but also the night lords. I'd imagine fear on that scale would caue the entire populace to die of a heart attack.
Another great Legions video, I've been enjoying every single one of them so far.
Colonel Jurten same
I like how you make words to say things
THANK YOU FOR TELLING A FAIR TALE OF THE NIGHT OF THE WOLF. GREAT JOB.
Angron is Spartacus!
Pretty much, yes!
i'm spartacus.
I am alpharius.... Er Spartacus
No I am Spartacus
I'm Spartacus
I like the original color scheme but a very brutal bunch!
Great job. Super detail. Thanks for your enthusiasm! 🙏
Really thorough and well paced video. Loved this.
These are the best 40k factfile videos by a country mile. You should listen to the audiobooks cos some pronounciation are a bit off but this is a minor quibble. I always wonder why Emps didn't just send Angron's legion down to help him and his slave brothers and sisters win that battle. Imagine how that one little thing would have impacted 40k history. Angron would have been eternally grateful to emps instead of resenting him. Ho hum. Anyway keep up the great work.
James Horsey Walsh - great theory
#give_Angron_A_hug.
Watayuki Kimihyra he desperately needs many hugs
James.T .Adams
I understand sexual release are not part of these potentially psychotic super human primarchs & there murderous soldier sons genetic encoding. 👽👎
X-15 they can’t breed,but they can feel lust,they just have a more secure hold upon their desires...or they *had* a secure hold,until Horus decided to throw a hissy fit.
James.T .Adams
I think that they are all geneticly enhanced SUPER SOLDIER'S of a destopyan ran earth & regional solar sys future, & dont be surprised that this prog is in secret development stages as we watch WH40K...
love these videos. keep up the good work.
I very much enjoy these videos.
You forgot about Zhufor the Impale in your characters at the end there
I think his story pushes more toward 40k than his Legion time, so that was why I let him go.
Very high quality videos, thanks!
I’ve always wondered if the Nails were created by a (possibly long dead) Khorne cult because the Nails, and Nuceria generally, are so Khornate yet the fluff never actually names them as such.
It is never explained how the Nails, a device putatively designed for human brains, worked on a Primarch’s very differently architected brain.
Kharne’s fall to Chaos is quite unexplained. He was disgusted by the newly daemonic Angron and the Legion’s newfound lack of discipline and cohesion.
glad you covered this Legion.
Primarchs have incredible regenerative capabilities. Im surprised Angron's damaged brain didnt just regenerate, after removal of the nails...
17:30 is that a smurf getting beheaded, or a loyal World Eater?
samuel tschiderer probably a smurf. If it was a loyal World Eater Legionaire, why would he return to his original Legion colors.
@@gabrieldeoliveira8304 no it's on prospero......where kharn would go and torture that thousand son guy for the cure .....to his rage issues.....
Emps looks over Angron, on Nuceria..."Son, what have they done to you?"
Years later, Emps looks over World Eaters..."What has yr father done to you?"
Good stuff fella
I dont really like khorne, but damn his chaos legions have some hella good back stories.
My lord of executions is a world eater. well he will be. he's one of the next conversions I will do. you can make that base mini look really cool with a bit of love. I picked up a champion of khorne helmet and massive axe from AoS that look like world eaters gear. Also got some world eater cultists. I should probably add some berserkers to my army, but I'm holding out for new chaos stuff next year. we might get primaris scale world eaters stuff and that would be amazing.
i think the few World Eaters that allied with the Alpha Legion marines early in the Heresy series deserved a mention. they were trying to cripple/destroy Horus’ new enormous warship, so they stowed away and raised hell for a long time. the World Eaters let themselves be taken by the rage one by one, buying time and bringing many traitors with them. spoiler alert but if i remember correctly, their sacrifices allowed the Alpha boys to make it to the engine room and superheat the core. we actually got a surprising amount of insight to the World Eaters in that book as well, i just don’t remember the title unfortunately.
Imagine seeing a bunch of dead eldar laying around a bloody baby lol
With all due respect, you're wrong about the night of the wolf being the first instance of astartes on astartes violence, that title went to when a space wolf executed a flesh-change thousand son on a joint campaign
Cheezy Nachoz26 actually it probably when two space legion were executed.
Kharn is Right... however since the records have been expunged from imperial data bases we will never know the truth. Although Russ does make some comments leading to the belief he was the Executioner of the lost Primarchs. Yet possibly one more reason Russ was named the Big E's executioner.
I don't get how this ultra psychic super humanity human could be ok with letting these guys conduct his reunification.
the big E didn't send Russ he went on his own claiming the big E sent him to stop him. read betrayer, Angron goes over this with Lorgar. Angron called him out on it stating he couldn't kill him even if he wanted too because the Big E didn't send him and then Angron laughed in Russ face saying how he's a whipped dog where he is a warrior and so are his sons "My life means nothing to them just as their lives mean nothing to me, warriors all with their passions lit aflame by the butchers nails". They will keep fight even if Angron fell. Yes he did lose but Russ didn't win either, because he wouldn't go that extra mile to put down his brother and thinking that this "lesson" would ever get through Angrons thick broken head. #Russ lost and he knows it
Anthony Cucalon, if Angron were dead, there would bee no big hitter adequate to take Russ. The Wolves are a more tactically flexible bunch, and would have run the 12th off of the planet.
The 12th would never have stood down, and would have been chewed apart by controlled tactics.
King Baldwin IV actually rogal dorn got killed by regular space marines.
Sorry but just like it takes two to tango, and start a fight, it also takes two to fuck up. They were both losers in that you could say.
Thanks for this!
I thought magnus ascended during the seige of terra and its up in the air to whether angel extermanatus took place before betrayer. Or were those retconned after this video?
Who wouldve thought...the methods they employed to temper themselves ended up the anvil they were broken over. Just like their "father"
You know there is one thing I dont get about Angrons story, why did the emperor let Angrons revolt die? Why not either recruit them or drop inand either make a peace with the Nucerian guys or just kill them into submission? Just seems like a lazy way to stir up some angst between the Emperor and Angron to me...
I've done an entire theory video on this - check the theory playlist if you want my opinions!
So you have, thanks for the heads up, ill check that out
because otherwise they woudl not have a story... want the version with the successful rebellion choose corvus corax
Just a prank bros.
That red stuff was ketchup all along!
i can just imagine opening the World Eaters’ armories and seeing servitors and raged-out space marines squirting industrial sized bottles of ketchup on everything
Did the World Eaters kill all of the physics and librarians off of their Chapter and isn't they chapter no more because they are just tiny groups of berserkers and I don't think they use ships or vehicles or long range weapons because I never heard or seen the World Eaters with them.
Cacaboy 300gamer as I mentioned in the video, the world eater librarians were unable to receive the Butcher's Nails so there weren't many of them by the time of the Heresy. They tried to stop Lorgar from ascending Angron to daemonhood, and were then all butchered by Angron after the transformation. So yes, they killed them all, and can't recruit more because of the Nails
oh just another question and I know its quite late to ask but do the World Eaters use long range weapons or techmarines they seem to not like long range
Cacaboy 300gamer they are CQB specialists but they do use warpsmiths (chaos techamarines) and Havocs (devastator squads/heavy weapons)
they were a space marine legion and mostly kept to the structure of a legion. after they became warbands, they still varry in form just like any chapter of space marines does
Cacaboy 300 yes they use long range they have tech priest they even had a forge world. But they did not agree with imperial doctrine. The world eaters had one of the best armored vehicles.
I just realized that Kharn is the 8th Captain and Khorne’s number is 8
Mann Tau very observing
Faith is purest when it is unquestioning b0ss I also think it was mentioned that Kharn wasn’t the strongest World Eaters either, perhaps not even the best fighter of his legion.
great stuff...thanks
I would like to hear a theory on something i came across while reading a 40k book. In the Ravenor omnibus, a blunter/untouchable was slowly turned into a normal human. Without spoiling too much, he was assigned to guard the body of an unconscious psyker. The psyker was a type called a 'mirror' who could read telepathic communications near by and also had some precognitive capabilities. The blunter spent months (or even years) in close proximity to the psyker, staying next to him at all times. Eventually the psyker was able to communicate with him psykicly, and even control his action, such a forcing him to sit down and eventually control his mouth and speek through him. What do you think about this?
(I am also going to ask 40K Theories to see what he thinks.)
I feel like their reputation as mindless chaotic murder machines in 40k is overstated. For them to survive the losses of the Heresy, PLUS 10000+ years of frontal combat, most warbands must have found a kind of balance that allows them to replace losses, command fleets, and not just rush like lemmings into the nearest enemy defenses. Sure, they rely heavily on their human serfs for repairs, shipmasters, etc., like all marines. But I imagine that the best WE warlords have the strength of will to resist the nails long enough to command effectively. And they still need range and vehicular specialists-I suspect these guys are a mix of recruited outsiders, recently ascended WE, or WE who intentionally turn down the nails (although I’m sure this would be controversial, but once the legion fractures). Or am I just overly hopeful that some others thought like Dreagher did? Thoughts?
The Emperor should've just aided Angron at the time, that way a sense of loyalty would've been established and some, if not most of his comrades could've survived the battle and join the Imperium under Angron's command. With the introduction to his new legion, Angron maybe wouldn't have lashed out on them, resulting in killing them as well as despising his own legion. He'd probably just oblige with what the Emperor had to say and accepted all of them instead. Who knows, perhaps the World Eaters never would've fallen into Chaos under these circumstances and remained loyal to the Imperium. Although, due to the nails in Angron's head he'd eventually die because of how they were tearing him, since he would still retain his human body and not turn into a demon.
Angron may have lost The Night of The Wolf but Russ didn't win either... His goal was to get Angron to stop implanting the nails which he didn't and too see the damaged he was doing to his sons which again he didn't..... and Russ was not sent by big E Russ took it upon himself to try and nock some senes into his brother... Russ even says so in Betrayer
I LOVE THIS SERIES!!!
I have always loved this legion but I'm not sure they can be used as an army on the field of battle as they don't have any room for ranged tactics.
I never really cared for the World Eaters myself. The one point I ever saw that made me see anything really redeeming or interesting in them was in Galaxy of Flames. The speech and moment where the World Eaters hiding in the bunker mention "Going further" and their own philosophy. It was honestly the only time I had seen World Eaters as something other than rabid dogs and saw a particular sense of real character behind them.
The HH novel, Betrayer, made me warm to them and Angron a bit.
Not much, but a bit.
Haven't read that one yet. Be kind of interesting to read, perhaps. Funny thing is when I tell people lately "Khornates are nothing but rabid dogs" (Which I really do believe, Honor is a myth in Khorne, a truth in Slaanesh though) a lot of counter-arguments people tell me come from Horus Heresy stuff, before the World Eaters fully embraced Khorne.
There's some pretty good books in the HH series and also there's a hell of a lot of them. I guess everyone has read one or two.
Yeah, I liked Betrayer. I like the way ADB writes Lorgar and it's funny how him and Angron kind of become buddies in a chaos-tainted way.
Well ADB would be the good one to cover such things. He's a Chaos Fanboy after all and does do his level best to really make them shine.
Though it's also why I'm dreading ever reading Master of Mankind since they got the Chaos Fanboy to write a novel about how the Emperor is a Dick, Horus Was Right, and everything from what I've seen and heard... -_-
I think what ADB was going for in MoM is that the Emperor appears differently to whoever he speaks to in a form that allows him the most influence over them (my theory). When speaking to the mechanicum guy he appears indifferent about the primarchs because it makes him look like an engineer. He bigs up the custodes so one of them is prepared to make a sacrifice at the end, etc.
My problem is that he seems kind of underpowered when dealing with the big daemon enemy in the book.
But, yeah, ADB has made all his chaos characters seem more relatable than the big E who does come across as kind of an arsehole.
I a planning on making an Gard army Armageddon steel legion or krieg for my first army any recommendations
Hobo Cop you using Forgeworld rules?
Hadowsay019 I have not built the army I'm currently saving up to buy it in the summer I will be bringing about $350
I'm considering adding bilingual subs to the _Legion_ miniseries. Anyone interested?
You missed an infamous world eater called only the headsman
always loved the world eaters
How old/big are the Primarchs when they first come out of their pods? How could he beat the Eldar when a child?
Yay! The treacherous/Diet Angry Marines Legion! :D
Night of the wolf was not the 1st astartes V astartes conflict. Space wolves had already shattered the forgotten legions by this time
While this legion could be considered the deadliest, they can also be considered the biggest failures. Angron for example found himself as a gladiatorial slave and failed to conquer his homeworld like his brothers,The legion lost many of their commanders just through Angron pissy fit (Thanks to the Emperor being a dumbass), They had no rhyme or reason, they disobeyed the most simplest of orders and found themselves being condemned by everyone, They were the first to turn traitor, they were still hated by the other traitor legions, Angron was tricked into becoming a fucking Daemon Prince, The legion found themselves becoming slaves of Khorne (Either because they loved slaughter or they enjoyed Khorne Flakes cereal), Kharn went apeshit against his own men, and finally the legion is all but shattered. Anyways...I have the reports from my scouting of the next world you're visiting again. :3
Pyroskies corax would have failed conquer his homeworld the dark angel primary couldn't either.
Dark Angels Primarch could,The Lion has conquered Caliban,and Corax too,wtf you're talking about?
Random Templar emperor helped corax
Random Templar also the emperor helped lion to destroy the giant beast on. Caliban.
Well about Corax i agree to some degree,well since the Emperor told him to nuke some cities on Kiavahr so he could totally dominate the world,but about the Lion no.By the time The Emperor arrived The Lion conquered Caliban.
Really want an Angron model
Am I a heratic for wondering if Kharn was killed by Sigismund during the battle for Terra? I never heard who killed Kharn then and think that fight could have been amazing .
Bolt Thrower Intensifies!
The great 12th legion who must really have loved their Gene father because he let them put the butcher's nails in their heads. Then luckily they did find how much fun following Khorne can be. I wonder if any of the now Khorne Berserkers still have the butcher's nails or did Khorne fix this issue with combat drugs like pcp.
If I remember right (this was in the 4th Edition CSM codex I believe), they still implant the retrofitted nails - it's how the Black Legion is able to have Khorne Berserkers in its ranks.
The Wowmedic - pcp may actually help them! or what about a daily load up of heroin or morphine? THAT would probably take a lot of the fight outta them! Hahahahaha nod nod zzzzz
is there a video on angrons first invasion of Armageddon
I don't have one, but if I ever cover Armageddon/Ullanor then I'll mention it
can you do a legion video on the salamanders soon please
Luke Kelly We will have our time and when that happens the glory of the 18th will shine like a undying fire.
In due course, I cannot promise when I'm afraid.
*stomp stomp* Vulkan lives!
But I do hope soon myself as well.
You mentioned that the only time that the only time that the WE warbands have come back together was during the 1st War for Armeggedon, but what about Kharn's Butcherhorde? that's supposes to be very large as well. Granted it's not just WE, but c still. ..
I meant that Armageddon was the only time the LEGION reunited. Warbands have fought together before, absolutely, and probably in decent numbers, but never on a scale reminiscent of the Legion days.
Its almost as if....he wasn't paying attention.
I neeed music!
i love angron. angron did nothing wrong, the emperor killed the real angron when he fucked up and stole angron from him final battle, and it really seems like it was purely because he was butthurt about angron's initial rejection.
Getting their KiKS (Knights in Khorne's Service)
On Route 66?
got some shit mixed up, buuuuuuutt over all i like this goodness right here
Which bit did I mix up?
the Scouring where they wiped out the whole population over night happened when Angron faught Russ and when papa smurf protested before the night of the wolf. The battle of Skalathrax was caused because of the slave wars. but again very well done.
Pro tip: When making your holy army to fight the ruinous powers and reclaim the universe for the glory of the emporor, consider not giving too many guns to the guys calling themselves “World Eaters”. The same goes for the “Gang rape Appreciation Society” and “People for the Nuclear Extermination of All Living Things” :P I know it is a reference to Angron’s past, but come the fuck on man! Might as well have called them “Evil McEvilface” XD
@Tactica Imperialis fire fist does join the black legion read abaddon: chosen of chaos, fire fist wants to execute a marine and he wears black, also i know u dont have time but i like to state my source
Thank you for correcting me! I'm glad to see sources, it makes my life easier.
Macer Varren was the son Angron never deserved.
Thunder Warriors fucked them up.
Do the 12th even care about their Apothecaries or gene seed? How do they keep any numbers at all?
I believe they are able to implant the Butcher's Nails into Astartes themselves these days, obviously they kept the design from Angron. Anyone they do it to presumably becomes an honorary member and a Khorne Berzerker
King Baldwin IV Yes and Yes. Like any faction of Astartes gene seed is a top priority for the Legion. If I remember right Kharn and another Officer in the legion lamented on the dead and feared that one day the legion shall be no more. When it comes to apothecaries.... They care enough to try to keep them alive for they realize they are what keeps the legion alive but will kill them without the slightest thought if they either anger them and just cant restrain themselves or if said apothecary challenges them to a duel.
When your a apothecary of the 12th Legion you stand a better chance then most of your brothers but that still doesn't mean your even remotely safe.
If you want a legion that doesn't care for their gene seed and apothecaries talk to the Third Legion.
The Eternal Chronicler what? The third legion cared most about their gene seed to rebuild their glory and not die out. You should read fulgrim.
I think Angrons whole story is stupid:
1) If his infant ass just shytkicked several eldar aspect warriors, how did ho mer simpson manage his capture?
2) If the emperor knew the butchers nails were bad, why didnt he say something at the start? Why wait till it was endemic and then send Russ to show him a metaphor?
3) How is it that Magnus got a council, Lorgar got his city nuked and Kurze got arrested, but Angron got vague admonishments. Butchers Nails are heretek, Angron was a poor commander at best and his legion went rogue. How he not censured???
4) Why emps not just wipe out nucerian tyrants, save Angrons friends, make him happy?
5) GW, please explain how allowing a mentally broken criminal to murder the entire upper and much of the middle command echelons of a space marine legion makes any sense? Explain how it COULD even function without ranking officers?
who was the first to swear to horus?
I'd have to go digging around in the timeline to see if we have a solid answer to that. Lorgar is the most obvious since he had already fallen to Chaos before the corruption of Horus, but I would wager Angron/Mortarion/Perturabo were amongst the first
Friendly Neighborhood Commissar, looks like that comment Chain got a bit out of hand, sorry.
Inquisitor Thomas hmmmm is that why you keep hunting this tau? Do you just want some more blue head?
Don't worry inquisitor your secret is safe with me.
(wink wink)
Oh ho oh! Now the truth comes out.
The Eternal Chronicler
OOC: I'm trying to apologize for turning a guy's comment into a battlefield of shitposting.
IC: *THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON!*
Inquisitor Thomas It is now. Inquisitor.
Inquisitor Thomas Love yah to buddy.
21:02 What?
drunk texting mybaf
AYYYYLMAO!
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