I love this scene because it's totally relatable even if you've never played poker. The experience of being great at something only to fail and fall into a failing spiral because you can't find your groove again. It's so hard to watch.
Any poker player has seen this happen (for real) at least once, and it's not funny... its terrifying. To see someone you've always known as logical and responsible totally disintegrate.
i pulled the same shit in a family friends game, except it wasnt near the amount these guys were betting. i lost 4 times in 1 night on a $100 buy in, and it felt like i lost my life savings cause i was a broke college kid lol
I've seen meltdowns like that happen, but the triggering hand as portrayed is just bullshit. No one is leading out for 1/2 pot like that with 9s and then folding for a 3x river over-jam. If you **really** believe he has K K, it's just a "fuck it, sucks if you got it" type thing and a crying call. You're getting incredible equity and you're in a poker club full of donks who over-bluff constantly. This is one of those movie things that works if you don't know a lot about poker, but if you've ever played competitively, it takes you out of the suspension of disbelief.
The reason why she closes the curtains is not because the light is disturbing or anything like that. Its to keep the players thinking its still dark/have them lose a sense of time. This is why Casinos don't have windows and are like huge, constantly lit up basements of continuity.
You lose track of time so easily in casinos, especially if you're winning. Me and my brother have gone to the casino to play black jack for only a couple of hours themn eventually find out its 1:30 AM and we gotta get up for work in 3 hours
that's true, but in real life she wouldnt have waited so late to close the curtains, i understand it's a movie and they wanted to get the point across that it's morning, but in reality they would have done it much sooner
In the film he was a scammer who was terrible at poker. He would lose money to them on the table and take their money for investments. Usually scamming them if their money. That was his MO, terrible poker and have them feel sorry for stealing his money and float him a check to invest in him, he got caught later tho.
I lost just last night on an almost equally impossible hand, against a new player that didn't even think he'd won until I told him he beat me lol. That's the way it goes sometimes. Luckily for me it was a £10 buy in around my mate's kitchen table so I was more just happy to see the new guy winning a lot and getting into poker.
@@Asw_2004 a straight flush, 4-8, clubs. And no, I didn't. I had a flush and went all in on the last hand. Given what was on the table, his was about the only hand that could have beaten me.
Heh, I haven't bet real money on anything in over 10 years. After seeing this clip, I don't think I can bring myself to do it for another 10. God damn the cards can be cruel sometimes.
If you need to watch a video to make you feel better for losing one buy in. You need to stop playing. If you don’t have the roll or mental toughness to lose 10 buy ins then poker isn’t for you. Just saying
I honestly can't stand how stupid shit like this makes into the movies. How come they don't have experts to tell them it's fucking stupid to say that kind of shit
No those things happen everyday in poker. He played for 2 nights straight probably b/w 1200-1500 hands, it’s easily possible to see bad beats like that, since he is a tight grinder, people get on tilt when they fold the winning hand to a bluff & full house over full house QQ-full losing to AK happens quite often , 2 days is a lot of time & lots of hands played. When you are psychologically tilted everything acts against you, it’s like a negative vibe, neither can you control it nor you can avoid it
@@devilinthedetailers7661 poker players aren't immune to playing on tilt. It's not unheard of for pro poker players to not play no limit because they can't handle the stress of it
In that moment, if hes thinking about his wifes party, getting ready to call it a night, booking a nice win, getting a read that this guy is really strong, its not that unreasonable to think he might decide to play it real safe and just save the 50k. But then he snapped.
@hobbes0022 I don't play high stakes, I'm still grinding out the microstakes started at 2nl and now I play 25nl all made from a initial 25 dollar deposit, so my opinion may not matter too much, but I am a winning poker player atleast. That 50 should have gone in. Unless I had a VERY specific read that the player was a complete nit that never put money in without the nuts I would NEVER fold the 3rd nuts here. Bad players will often overvalue AA or a 9 all day long here or be airballing if they are really bad. It doesn't really show the preflop action besides a quick " preflop betting made it look like theres a chance he had pocket kings" which could be literally anything JJ+ and who was the aggressor, which would also influence the call. I don't think most players would ever find the fold button here. I also think if Harlan was as good as they say, he would take Brad to value town all night after that pot and not donk off 10 buy ins in a 24hr tilt session
@@idzoavitsi4211 Thing is, why would a player with KK think about calling and not raising? If he moved for 20K and "then decided" all in, it's probably a bluff. Unless you think he's acting to appear to be bluffing, in which case you are overthinking. Either way you call and take a beat, the way I see it. If you fold then you can't snap because you had reason to fold, so if you have that fragile an ego you'll inevitably go full tilt and poker is not for you. I think "moving for 20K and then going all in" followed by a fold after they say Harlan looked for bluff signs is a critical mistake to portray Harlan as a great player, which is not the case. Maybe with all the crazy millionaires there he was just good enough because of how bad everyone else was...
@@kod5660 the big thing about this to me that made no sense, is if he put his opponent on pocket kings, why the hell was he in there with Q9? lol I know it's a meme and all at this point.... but like.... fold pre?
i agree, when you play cash games you have to realise going in that you can lose it all very easily if your unlucky. if you cant deal with losing your cash dont play cash games pretty much.
Yeah, no thanks. If I'm getting a million to one on the second best hand, I'm betting everything I have. I'll go get a second job in the morning if I have to.
Anyone who knows anything about poker is never folding queens full in that first hand. If an opponent has K9 or KK for a higher boat that is just a hand you are going to lose all your money in.
Shad Well you certainly aren't part of the crowd who knows anything about poker. Otherwise, you'd know that QQ beats K9 on that board. QQQ99 > 999KK. But your point still stands, folding the top of your range in that spot would be awful.
lol i never knew being a magician was an insult in poker. "you're a bottom dealing magician!!!" To me that is a total compliment. Bottom dealing is hard.
Here's the hand with Tilly vs Antonius. The looks on the other pros faces when Tilly turns her cards over are hysterical!! th-cam.com/video/St4Q55amkO4/w-d-xo.html
I agree. He made the right move. He had the best hand up to the river, and he just got unlucky. You can't control the randomness of the game. So you just accept the bad beat and move on--what really mattered is up until the river he was getting his money in on the best of it while his opponent was taking the worst of it and making a really bad decision. If the hand were repeated over and over, Harlan would be a clear winner.
@@ianforsyth2692 If you've had a losing session and then lose a massive pot to a horrendous beat like that. Even the likes of me would be taken back by that.
@@founik EV only matters when you're using effective bankroll management. You should literally never gamble your entire bankroll on a single hand, no matter how +EV it might be from GTO strategy. Never ever never gamble money you can't afford to lose.
@@bevrosity you wouldnt be upset about that either.. well, you probably wouldnt considering i doubt you know how to play poker, much less do any activity that requires any legitimate brain power
@@rockwithyou2006 ok so you mean to say that if you lost, what was it, seven million dollars? in 72 hours you wouldnt wanna kill yourself? it would be more forgivable if it was to poor people or those who could use the money. nobody there needed it. hes an allegory for what happens when you tilt and nobody stops you. thats why people say its so scary to watch this. it isnt funny. he isnt weak. he was in control until he wasnt. everybody who knows what they were doing wouldve made the same damn calls he did. why? because you probably have a better chance of hitting a royal flush than what happened.
After watching the movie, I can only think that Molly was in this for the challenge and the excitement of being around powerful people. In a different world she might be a free solo rock climber.
@@robotube7361 -This was actually based on a true story (maybe enhanced a bit). But, she never would have been a bit player in someone else's game. It wasn't in her nature.
So Brad calls flop Q98 , check raised turn when second 9 came , before king showed on the river - that's why Harlan puts him on KK Genius read from best player at the table, any reason for kings to raise?
While this is fun for a movie, its highly unrealistic that Harland would fold. Most pros just suck it up and pay off. Coolers like this are just that: you pay it off and suck it up because the alternative that they are bluffing or shoving with just a 9, is far more likely. if you're wrong, you say "Nice hand" and wait. But to go on tilt is an ugly option. Another strategy is IF you do fold OR call, AND ARE WRONG, you recognize that you are tired, and YOU LEAVE. It's ok because you know you'll win next time.
exactly, in a cash game you just suck it up and call it, if you're very late in a tournament and it's for all of your chips, then it's a different thought process
Exact same thing happened to me (albiet for significantly less money) last week. Folded trip aces to a player who had literally nothing (he showed). I lost right around 40% of my stack. I was still up for the night, but was heated. Ended up losing my whole stack by playing way too loose and swinging for the fences. Thankfully, I went home and slept it off and didnt dig a deeper hole, but I lost $600 from being on tilt.
Since the action went “calling on the flop, check raising the turn, and bombing the river” (technically the river action is a check shove), I would never put Bad Brad on pocket kings. J10, 89, 88, or even Ah9h are much more likely, and maybe occasionally QQ. Since you block QQ, this is a mandatory call. A good player would never check raise KK on the turn.
This could have been a perfect poker movie but they just had to mess up the hands. It's a weird mix: the jargon is at the level of someone who has played recreationally for two years, yet the hands and the analyzing by Molly is at the level of someone who's watched two hours of old WSOP highlights on ESPN. My theory is that they had a decent poker consultant who would have made the first hand look something like the Ronnie Bardah vs Miss Finland (an unconventional but successful bluff from a fishy amateur on a pro) but the producers thought all of that too complicated and insisted on high but simple drama. Classic hollywood: simplification to the point where things make no sense. By the time they insisted that on a Q77 flop a guy (1) just knows his opponent to have queens full (wtf? how?) but (2) decides to represent quad sevens (WTF!?) the consultant had probably already quit and demanded that his name is taken out of the end credits.
This hand is based on a real hand in Bloom’s book. So it’s likely this actually happened. That said, the guy isn’t trying to convince the dude he has quad 7’s, he’s just some dumbass running a bad bluff and running into the nuts and then hitting a 99-1 shot. The hand and outcome are fine and happen every day thousands of times in card rooms across the country. The jargon about the hands is just dumb as fuck though.
I also felt the same with this movie. There's some real quality poker mixed with some awful stuff. The thought process up to about minute 2 is fine, that sort of range analysis is common for anybody at the table. But he has the 3rd (edit, 4th*) best hand on a board that is super wet, playing people who will overplay smaller boats and even straights. Yes, sometimes you take a hit here but any profitable poker player is making this call, and if Brad has 99 or KK (edit, or QQ) it just sucks and you go home. Molly says he's lost only $40K after folding, which implies there was $20K of his money in before the river, $20K of Brad's and maybe the blinds. Let's say $45K. Brad then shoves for $72K so the pot is $117K, so now he has to call $52K to win $117, or be right 40% of the time to make it a profitable call. He's never played with Brad before, he could be the tightest rock or the wackiest idiot, but you're making that call and if you lose, you have a story to tell. Also, does Brad's hand really represent a "huge hand" having checked that flop. It's Q 9 8 with a flush draw. Any huge hand like J10 or 2 pair suited you now have beat, whilst things like A9 hearts may also play this way. Likewise maybe AJ or A10 hearts plays this way, sure you'd probably reraise on the flop, but this puts a lot of pressure if you only have say AQ or even AA feels uncomfortable here, so I'd not hate it. I can also see 8s playing this way, although again you'd typically see a raise on the flop. Knowing all that, you simply have to call, you're at the top of your range, you've no knowledge on the other player, and the board is quite favourable for people getting over excited.
I've had both happen to me. Playing well and then a single bad play causing my to spiral into a panic ending in heavy losses, and playing like crap until a lucky break turns my game around. It happens to the best and the worst of us.
They’ve done the research and this scenario hit home. Lot of poker players included the best pros goes on tilt. There is a factor called LUCK. And when luck hits, you just gotta walk away.
The first hand is stupid, how can he not call that. He has 9‘s full of Q’s betting 20k into about a 35-40k pot he is obviously value betting, then the guy jams for another 50k on top and doesn’t instacall, I figured making calls like this is what got him up 100k. He has to be the tightest of tight players not to make this call. The explanation doesn’t make sense either, Brad made it look like he had KK’s so did he 3-bet pre flop? If so then Harlan has to be on the button, table folds to him, Harlan raises, Brad 3-bets in one of the blinds then Harlan calls, but if Harlan’s tight then why would he call a 3-bet with Q9 off. That can’t be the case though because there is no button in front of Harlan. Hell there isn’t a button anywhere near them and is actually on the other side of the table, so that means Brad bet first then Harlan called Q9 off in the big blind. But if that’s so then how did Brad check raise the turn? And if he check raise the turn then why does Harlan think he has KK’s? He has to have 9x like A9 of hearts? That’s the only hand Harlan would think that Brad would check call the flop, check raise the turn, and then check jam the river as a bluff since there are straights and full houses on the board. Let’s say that Harlan was first to go with betting since he has such a bad hand pre flop that he would only call a raise in one of the blinds and the button is to his right. So Brad raises pro flop, Harlan calls in the big blind, Harlan probably bets like 5k on the flop, Brad calls, Harlan bets 10k on the turn, Brad calls, Harlan bets 20k on the river, and brad jams for 72k total and Harlan’s like “oh yea, he definitely has KK’s”. Yea it’s in brad’s range but so is JT suited,9x, 88’s and missed draws that Brad is turning into a bluff. QQ’s are also in his range but Harlan blocks it with his queen. So there is no way he folds no way!! In real life Harlan calls the all in and let’s say Brad did have KK’s, then he loses another 50k that’s puts him down to about 75k. Getting river’d happens all the time in poker and Harlan would pick himself up and keep going and keep playing tight but no, he folds sees he got bluffed and instead of taking a note and marking Brad as a donkey he goes full tilt starts playing like a donkey himself and loses a million dollars in the process. Hollywood bullshit!!!!! All of it!!!!
That’s the thing about High Stakes No-Limit. It’s just like Daniel Negreanu says, you gotta be able to take a punch to the gut, lose $100,000, and still keep your head on straight. Some people just can’t handle the swings.
I know. They didn't even need to hire a professional to do it. I learned how to play poker little over a week ago and even I realise how stupid this is.
It's possible that Aaron Sorkin wrote this movie for a general audience, rather than just poker players. His writing in West Wing and Studio 60 are the same way.
I share many football wagering tilt experiences with probably thousands of others who tank the 1 and 4 pm games and go heavy on that Sunday night game to break-even. Yet another reason why Monday mornings suck ass.
Everytime something like this happens I just say to the table "nice hand, I need a second after that one" take a walk, let myself get over it, and then move on with the night. Just last night i got bluffed off a straight on a paired board in a live session in a similar manner, and instead of losing all my money, i came back and still ended up a few hundred for the night.
In the book, the character who is portrayed as Harlan was actually a decent poker player, and he did actually tilt off, maybe not full but he began to lose a lot of hands, what is true is that player X/ Tobey Maguire paid for his buy ins and took some of his winnings
Patrick Macasaet Ye I known. But the movie said, that Halan dropped all his poker-knowledge and just played like a kid. He must be pissed off. Well maybe i don’t have lost as much money as Halan😂😂 so I can’t have the same feeling as Halan.
@@AlmonteList, Everybody (even pros) tilts. Harlan consistently re-bought and at point point re-bought for 500K, tilting away $960k (after his bluffed pot) is very possible considering he's been playing (or rather tilting) for 2 days straight. Harlan is a tight player per narration and every tight player considers the *chance* that his opponent has the better hand. As the narration explained in the Q899K hand, Harlan has never played with "Bad" Brad and he chose to give "Bad" Brad the benefit of the doubt, which is not uncommon when you're faced with player you've never played before. Harlan may have gone overboard and tilted for another $950k and missed his wife's surprise party, but it ain't impossible for him to do so. Tilt can happen for a million reasons, being bluffed out of a pot is a very common one.
Matt McLaren I believe some of this is true in the video. How you may ask? Simple in real life all you have to look at is Phil Hellmuth and the devil fish.
what a shame to lose your entire bankroll over being bluffed one time..................that's why you always have to set loss limits, if you reach that limit, you stop playing no matter what, that's what chip reese said who was the greatest ever.
Never folding a boat to an unknown. Even with preflop action and being check raised on the turn. Guy could have AA A9 89s 9Ts AK KQ so many hands he still way ahead of. Putting him on exactly KK when folding river is a terrible nutty move.
@@royallwind3937 "Bud" and "smart guy". Insulting a stranger on the internet (whose point was still just as valid) you must feel proud and good. Strong enough to take on the world.
@@ilovebrandnewcarpets People shouldn't act so cocky when they obviously don't know what they're talking about. He even replied "Yes he did" after I corrected him. Looks like he erased that comment though ;)
I’ve had a similar experience. Your blood temperature increases by a factor of ten. And you see nothing but red. You go for the jugular vein on the next round.
I watched this very thing happen to a friend of mine at the Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa. It was scary as hell!! Just like in this video it was like he became a different person. We had to physically drag him out of there!!
Good movie but MAN I wish the poker scenes weren't a complete disaster in terms of logic and gameplay. It's possible to make Bad Brad a bad poker player without portraying him like he has a single digit IQ. Harlan folds because Brad doesn't realize he's bluffing even though he says right after the hand that he didn't have anything, so does he not know the rules to the game or something? Doesn't make any sense.
@@nickhalden5207 sorry i read what u said wrong in context. Yea it wins if he has it but he didnt play like k9 prior to everything which was the point of the scene.
"He wants him to think he has 2 more sevens under there" ......WHAT???????????????????????????????????? Nobody and I mean NOBODY would shove quads in a pot that has 120k and you shove 300k over bet. Next time you guys write about poker asks somebody who has played at a Casino at least.
I would call. There is no shame lose with 99,6 % equity (third nuts) and there are more combination could be played this way (AA, X9 suited, busted open - ended straight flush draw, or famous stone cold bluff). pot odds 1:2 are also saying GO in this situlation. But calling raise with Q 9 off suited on deep stack pre-flop is the biggest poker sin i think.
This is a famous story about the grinder. he was staked in by Toby Mcguire and this happened. The royal person who gave him the the runner runner cooler was from Saudi Arabia.
The best poker advice I ever recieved was from someone in a small group of casual friday night players. "Never think about anything after bad hand. The only thing you need to remember, is how to breathe, and how to play."
What makes this movie decent is that she said check raising the turn and bombing the river... I like the term bombing this movie had decent stuff poker wise. I guess this is just a lesson in variance?
Actually, he wasn't, there were hundreds of players better, probably thousands, at that time, Doyle Brunson, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Patrick Antonius, and a bunch of other players were the REAL best players at most of the tables, and I can tell 100% confident, that none of them would fold that fucking full house, it was a bad play, a fold that came out of the fear, the fear of losing what you ve already earned, no great player feels that fear, and if they do, they ignore it, a good player would never food that hand. That fear is usually a sign of a bad player. And not one of the best. If you don't know a lot of poker, I understand what you said, but if you knew a little you would see how crazy is to fold that hand.
@Georgi Shopov Well I played a few times here and there, and I understand whats you say, but I still think is fear, fear to lose what you ve earned already.
@@lanvlanv5184 That's why you gotta be bankrolled properly and if you buy in for 1000$, 1000$ is 100BB for you. If you buy in for 10000$, that's 100BB for you. (Big blinds) If you fear for the money you have, one bad beat and all is gone, you will be afraid of bluffing the river, not being confident and relax etc etc
If anything, the scene shows the dangers not of going on tilt but of over relying on your ability to spot tells lol. I do like how it's also foreshadowing how Bad Brad is actually a massive con artist who steals far more money from the players through bad investments than he ever loses playing poker by being able to hide his tells even when he's bluffing with air.
Getting beat on the run out after flopping the full house happened to me for $400 the other day. 1/3 sb/bb I’m in position pocket 4’s before the flop. Guy to my right I’m tied for chip stack lead raises to $20 pre flop, I call and everyone else folds. Heads up, flop comes 774, he checks, I slow play and check back. Queen comes on turn, he bets $40, I go in the tank for 1 min and I raise to $80, he goes in the tank for about 2 mins, he shoves all in for $400. I put him on QK, I snap call and show the hand. He says “I’m running behind”, shows QJ, we agree to run once. Q comes on river, other player says he had a Q so I lost a pot with 95.5% odds. I’m glad I had no extra money on me cause i woulda donated another buy in on tilt
ShadowViking47 like I’ve never done any sort of game involving money but I’m just scared I’ll get hook if I ever try it and ruin my life.Seen a lot of gambling movies
bit of advice, if you dont want to get the gambling bug you have to understand one thing. its just money so it doesnt matter. secondly only bet what you can afford and dont mind losing. these 2 things will make your poker fun and pretty quickly you will learn how to be real good after getting your ass handed to you for the little, while you learn from your mistakes. i myself had similar concerns, but after limiting my gambling money on poker and learning from my ass kickings for the first month i started seeing results. the best players at my local home game began to be scared of me and then id start to beat them at their own tactics. now im happy to go to casino and play against those rich fuckers with my 200 bucks and see how well i can do or bad i do. trust me dude poker is so much fun and super interesting mentally. worth it
This scene pains me as a long time poker player. Just because you are far more experienced and get your money in good unfortunately doesn't always hold. For non-gamblers who don't understand how bad that last loss is (QQ Full against AK with 2 cards to go), that's like your favorite baseball team being up 10-1 in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and then inexplicably losing. It seems impossible - I've been on the wrong end of that against overly aggressive morons at the table too. The worst!
The word tilted really sums it up. It’s like the balance in your head just tilted and you lost all your self control and reasoning, all you want is blood
No way any decent poker player is folding queens full. As for this guy being someone he hasn’t played with before, the key is paying attention to every hand played, not just the ones you’re in. It doesn’t take that long to figure out how someone plays.
I would say it’s the opposite. Great players lay down boats when they know theyre beat. Decent players and below never fold queens full. That’s what separates the great players from everyone else.
@@StuUngar no one KNOWS they’re beat when they have a boat. The odds their boat is beat is very low. Often the opponent will have 2 pair or a set, maybe a bricked out flush or straight draw that they’re turning into a bluff on the river. The only thing he’s losing to here is a pocket pair of Kings, or quads. If somehow the opponent got lucky with one of those two hands, you gotta just pay it off. If you start folding boats because someone’s betting into you, you’re gonna lose a lot more than the occasional cooler.
@@JT-gi8rx Actually yes, some people know they are beat when they have a boat. Case in point, the 2003 Main Event. Phil Ivey had 9’s full of Queens. Moneymaker sucked out on him with an ace on the river to make Queens full of Aces. But Ivey has said time and again that he knew exactly what Moneymaker had. Had that hand gone to the river, Ivey wouldve folded his boat even though pot odds and everything else says he should call. You say you gotta just pay it off. I say that’s why Phil Ivey is who he is and none of us will ever be on his level. Youre arguing that no player would ever do that. Im telling you that there’s a level far above you that youre not considering.
@@StuUngar pretty damn easy to put Moneymaker on a Q there. And the most likely other cars would be an A or K considering his preflop raise. But he could’ve had pocket aces or pocket kings as well. Maybe Ivey would’ve folded had he not jammed and saw the Ace river, but we can’t know for sure. Easy for him to say that in retrospect, but in the moment he could’ve done anything. I’ve seen Ivey make a lot of incorrect calls, I’ve seen him make bluffs that we’re called off, and seen him make bad laydowns where he was bluffed off of hands. Maybe he would’ve laid it down but also weighing in his mind that he’s one spot away from the final table and a big pay jump? Maybe instead of jamming, Ivey bets 60% of his remaining stack, or checks and Moneymaker raises Ivey to 60%-80% of his stack. Come the river Ivey would have so few chips left, maybe he calls it off anyways with not much behind, or maybe he folds to, like I said earlier, try to sneak up a pay jump. It’s easier to fold knowing if you outlast someone else, you’ll make a massive amount more money. In a cash game it’s totally different. There it’s about how much you’ve put in, how much you have behind, etc. If the guy in the video had 500k behind, 30k in the pot, and the opponent puts him all in, then it’s an easier fold than simply raising him 40k more to call, right? To polarize it more, you’d call off pretty much anything if the raise was a few bucks, but easy to fold a boat if the raise is a million bucks. In this case the raise was an amount that this guy should’ve easily called off. Considering he’s rich, considering he’s up a ton, etc. Given his situation, he can never be folding here, given the amounts and everything, and that he’s beat by just KK or quads. The fast that people often bluff in poker makes it so you can never be 100% sure. If you’re 90% sure (at best), you’ll call off anything that you can afford to call off, and fold anything that would crush you financially.
@@StuUngar here’s an example to help you understand. th-cam.com/video/pdWL4x83jf4/w-d-xo.html Skip to 19:56. Leng is at a roughly 9 to 1 chip advantage over Jungleman, has top pair, knows Jungle is short stack and gonna shove light because of it, but in his mind he “knows” Jungle is ahead, and thinks he’s making some next level genius fold. But it’s a terrible fold, folds a winning hand, and Jungle comes back to win. If Leng had just called the small amount, which would barely affect his chip stack, he would’ve won an extra $400k. So even though there were hands that were beating him, the fact is that he didn’t know 100% that he was beat, and it was a call he could afford to make, where he stood to win a bracelet and an extra 400k, but simply because he thought he knew “100%”, he lost all of that. This is why you don’t play that way.
Rumor has it Harlan was somewhere in the US near at the end of 2021and had 500k on Pitt +4 vs. Michigan St. Days after the game, when the police broke into his apartment to check on his welfare and found him dead, from apparently hanging himself, his neighbors said they heard a lot of loud yelling and cursing, followed by the sounds of breaking glass, then what they thought might be sobbing, and then everything went eerily quiet, and they never heard a sound coming from his apartment again.
Lmao if I got a queen 9 in that situation and 99% of other poker players got that hand there not folding, if he’s got a bigger full house then I lose but the odds of that are not likely lol that’s not a profitable fold at all, ur winning that hand over 90% of the time.
I love this scene because it's totally relatable even if you've never played poker. The experience of being great at something only to fail and fall into a failing spiral because you can't find your groove again. It's so hard to watch.
Its like trying to chase your losses
its like relying on total luck!?!?!? Like idk gambling
This state totally applies to every stock trader as well
@@Turnpost2552 Total luck if you play every hand when on full tilt like this asshole did
This can also apply to Competitive Gaming via eSports, for games League of Legends or Overwatch or Smash Bros. Ultimate.
Any poker player has seen this happen (for real) at least once, and it's not funny... its terrifying. To see someone you've always known as logical and responsible totally disintegrate.
It's a mental game
The key here is leave the table, if you got tilt, just leave, forgot about the losses just go away as fast as you can.
i pulled the same shit in a family friends game, except it wasnt near the amount these guys were betting. i lost 4 times in 1 night on a $100 buy in, and it felt like i lost my life savings cause i was a broke college kid lol
I've seen meltdowns like that happen, but the triggering hand as portrayed is just bullshit. No one is leading out for 1/2 pot like that with 9s and then folding for a 3x river over-jam. If you **really** believe he has K K, it's just a "fuck it, sucks if you got it" type thing and a crying call. You're getting incredible equity and you're in a poker club full of donks who over-bluff constantly. This is one of those movie things that works if you don't know a lot about poker, but if you've ever played competitively, it takes you out of the suspension of disbelief.
@@terracottapie Snap call there, no way I fold Queen full, i mean no even close.
The reason why she closes the curtains is not because the light is disturbing or anything like that. Its to keep the players thinking its still dark/have them lose a sense of time. This is why Casinos don't have windows and are like huge, constantly lit up basements of continuity.
You lose track of time so easily in casinos, especially if you're winning. Me and my brother have gone to the casino to play black jack for only a couple of hours themn eventually find out its 1:30 AM and we gotta get up for work in 3 hours
that's true, but in real life she wouldnt have waited so late to close the curtains, i understand it's a movie and they wanted to get the point across that it's morning, but in reality they would have done it much sooner
And casinos don't have clocks
I keep the curtains closed, for I need to sleep during the day, because I work nights.
The free alcohol and pumping oxygen to keep players awake works wonders too.
If some "best player at the table" goes on tilt after folding a boat to a bluff he's just a badreg
It wasnt a bluff though i think the player was so thick he thought he had a good hand. In the film hes terrible at poker.
a shit reg.
In the film he was a scammer who was terrible at poker. He would lose money to them on the table and take their money for investments. Usually scamming them if their money. That was his MO, terrible poker and have them feel sorry for stealing his money and float him a check to invest in him, he got caught later tho.
He should by now know that Everything you do at a poker table conveys information.
I'm sitting here in Cape Girardeau Missouri, its almost 8PM. You made me laugh reading your comment
FOR FUCKS SAKE QUIT WITH THIS OVERUSED MEME!!!!!
He was just being loosey goosey eating noodles
You can't be smoking a cigarette chugging a redbull...woohoo baby!
@Gasparagus Productions woo hoo baby I love it!!!
shortly after the dealer was hired by pokerstars
eXampL god this comment is gold lol
He heard there was more rake there.
Best comment ever.😂😂😂😂😂 lol hahahaahahaah
And wsop
Nah bro shortly after you joined pstars and got felted by variance.
I lost just last night on an almost equally impossible hand, against a new player that didn't even think he'd won until I told him he beat me lol. That's the way it goes sometimes. Luckily for me it was a £10 buy in around my mate's kitchen table so I was more just happy to see the new guy winning a lot and getting into poker.
Did you get your money back? And what was the hand?
@@Asw_2004 a straight flush, 4-8, clubs.
And no, I didn't. I had a flush and went all in on the last hand. Given what was on the table, his was about the only hand that could have beaten me.
@@TheJim9191 These things do happen, sorry for your loss (literally)
@wynn1587 cards play themselves
"PARTY MAGICIAN!!!" 😤😡😡😡
"I've never heard of that one is it higher than 3 of a kind 🤔"
Harlan looks like Hans Zimmer to a perfect T
lol. I like to write in the key of D, and when I play poker, I rate a D-
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Whenever somebody mentions Hans Zimmer, I think of this guy
i knew he looked so similar
First time I saw this scene, I was like "since when Hans Zimmer is an actor?" 😂😂
Oh god this part of the film is so painful... And it's so well filmed!!!!
"Honey, he raised my bet with a 5/Blank!!"
Hahaha Phil Helmut is one hell of a character
I know puddin', he's some internet guy.
toptenguy1 You forgot the honey after the blank. And you gotta stand up and pick your underwear outta your ah.
Some idiot
They don't even know how to spell poker!
I always come back here when I lose 300 bucks after bad beats in my home games to make myself feel better.
Why is it, that Kings, like to turn up on the river? I've been both a beneficiary and a a sucker on these
Heh, I haven't bet real money on anything in over 10 years. After seeing this clip, I don't think I can bring myself to do it for another 10. God damn the cards can be cruel sometimes.
& will go & eat 1$ Mc Chicken for lunch for the rest of the week 😭😭
If you need to watch a video to make you feel better for losing one buy in. You need to stop playing. If you don’t have the roll or mental toughness to lose 10 buy ins then poker isn’t for you. Just saying
@@peterschwartz5113 Yo poker pro, relax. Take my previous comment as satire.
2:18 - You got 2 pairs??
- No, I got 1 pair...the one in the middle !! Lol
4:47 „He wants Harlan to think that the has two more 77 under there?“ Yeah everyone wanna represent the Quads on the flop
I honestly can't stand how stupid shit like this makes into the movies. How come they don't have experts to tell them it's fucking stupid to say that kind of shit
No those things happen everyday in poker. He played for 2 nights straight probably b/w 1200-1500 hands, it’s easily possible to see bad beats like that, since he is a tight grinder, people get on tilt when they fold the winning hand to a bluff & full house over full house QQ-full losing to AK happens quite often , 2 days is a lot of time & lots of hands played. When you are psychologically tilted everything acts against you, it’s like a negative vibe, neither can you control it nor you can avoid it
Anyone with a gambling problem needs to watch this lol. Never chase losses
Worst part is he wasn’t even down after that
The best player at the table? This guy would be the third best player at a heads up game.
Ha
What? Oh god my mind.... What have you done?!
& you would be the dealer 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Lol Joe Cool on the bluff
Says the internet poker player
Let me remind everyone in this comment section in this movie, that these "players" are not professionals at poker, they just have alot of money
But is there a difference, really? 🤔🤔
@@VladTepesVEVO erm yes. Poker players know good bankroll and not going tilt. Celebs have egos
Not all of them. Harlan and Brad Molly brought in specifically to make the celebrities spend more money. She personally funds their buy ins
But Harlan is portrayed to be a beast of a poker player
@@devilinthedetailers7661 poker players aren't immune to playing on tilt. It's not unheard of for pro poker players to not play no limit because they can't handle the stress of it
In that moment, if hes thinking about his wifes party, getting ready to call it a night, booking a nice win, getting a read that this guy is really strong, its not that unreasonable to think he might decide to play it real safe and just save the 50k.
But then he snapped.
He was up 100k, and had a boat, you have to call and risk that 50k no?
@hobbes0022 I don't play high stakes, I'm still grinding out the microstakes started at 2nl and now I play 25nl all made from a initial 25 dollar deposit, so my opinion may not matter too much, but I am a winning poker player atleast. That 50 should have gone in. Unless I had a VERY specific read that the player was a complete nit that never put money in without the nuts I would NEVER fold the 3rd nuts here. Bad players will often overvalue AA or a 9 all day long here or be airballing if they are really bad. It doesn't really show the preflop action besides a quick " preflop betting made it look like theres a chance he had pocket kings" which could be literally anything JJ+ and who was the aggressor, which would also influence the call. I don't think most players would ever find the fold button here. I also think if Harlan was as good as they say, he would take Brad to value town all night after that pot and not donk off 10 buy ins in a 24hr tilt session
@@idzoavitsi4211 Thing is, why would a player with KK think about calling and not raising? If he moved for 20K and "then decided" all in, it's probably a bluff. Unless you think he's acting to appear to be bluffing, in which case you are overthinking. Either way you call and take a beat, the way I see it. If you fold then you can't snap because you had reason to fold, so if you have that fragile an ego you'll inevitably go full tilt and poker is not for you. I think "moving for 20K and then going all in" followed by a fold after they say Harlan looked for bluff signs is a critical mistake to portray Harlan as a great player, which is not the case. Maybe with all the crazy millionaires there he was just good enough because of how bad everyone else was...
Its not reasonable to fold your hand at the top of your Range if he has KK or K9 so be it. You do not fold though..
@@kod5660 the big thing about this to me that made no sense, is if he put his opponent on pocket kings, why the hell was he in there with Q9? lol I know it's a meme and all at this point.... but like.... fold pre?
The rule is no matter how good the odds are, never bet more than your willing to lose
i agree, when you play cash games you have to realise going in that you can lose it all very easily if your unlucky. if you cant deal with losing your cash dont play cash games pretty much.
Yeah, no thanks. If I'm getting a million to one on the second best hand, I'm betting everything I have. I'll go get a second job in the morning if I have to.
Yep. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Can actually be pretty boring when you play smart
And if you do bet more than you are willing to lose, you better walk away and stop playing the moment you win bigger than big. Immediately.
As the saying goes, scared money don't make money.
Anyone who knows anything about poker is never folding queens full in that first hand. If an opponent has K9 or KK for a higher boat that is just a hand you are going to lose all your money in.
He had 9s full..
@@miketaylor7793 My bad, you are correct. The point still stands though.
Shad Well you certainly aren't part of the crowd who knows anything about poker. Otherwise, you'd know that QQ beats K9 on that board. QQQ99 > 999KK. But your point still stands, folding the top of your range in that spot would be awful.
@@ohio nobody knows their opponent well enough to make a fold like that
4inchesofpleasure
he knows that. he was just pointing out that those hands are very unlikely, and it is worth to take the risk.
i died when he accused the dealer of being a mechanic " fuckin bottom dealer party magician". good lord it had me dying inside
TBF he was what, a 98% favorite?
You’re right the Lord is good
It’s too real. I’ve seen it so many times
@@veritruan2397 99.29% favorite
He was a 330 to 1 favourite. If the board was QQK he would have been a 990 to 1 favourite.
Gosh, that beat against "Otto von Bismarck" would have been brutal under any circumstance. But in Harlan's situation? I can't imagine.
This scene makes me sick to my stomach as if I'm tilting.
Yeah - you can almost *feel* that -self-destructive tunnel-vision madness pounding in his brain.
lol i never knew being a magician was an insult in poker. "you're a bottom dealing magician!!!" To me that is a total compliment. Bottom dealing is hard.
Agreed...and I never said that in real life. When you visit my channel you will know why they out that line in.
Lmao, this reminds me of that Jen Tilly call against Antonious on Poker After Dark all those years ago. "I thought you had pocket kings."
Jen Tilly didn't call Antonius. She actually checked back the river with a full house!!!
Here's the hand with Tilly vs Antonius. The looks on the other pros faces when Tilly turns her cards over are hysterical!! th-cam.com/video/St4Q55amkO4/w-d-xo.html
@@CribNotes Lol! I forgot she checked back! Thanks for the correction. So horrific.
@@CribNotes Damn!!! im sure Tilly regrets it, what a noob she use to be
@@TsarOfRuss what a noob she still is
Runner runner with 2 outs is less than a one percent chance. Harlan got his money in there while it was still good. Rest easy Harlan.
I agree. He made the right move. He had the best hand up to the river, and he just got unlucky. You can't control the randomness of the game. So you just accept the bad beat and move on--what really mattered is up until the river he was getting his money in on the best of it while his opponent was taking the worst of it and making a really bad decision. If the hand were repeated over and over, Harlan would be a clear winner.
@@ianforsyth2692 If you've had a losing session and then lose a massive pot to a horrendous beat like that. Even the likes of me would be taken back by that.
Yeah, he made +EV play, but when you are playing out of your limits, it doesn't matter. When one hand completely consumes your whole bankroll.
@@founik EV only matters when you're using effective bankroll management. You should literally never gamble your entire bankroll on a single hand, no matter how +EV it might be from GTO strategy. Never ever never gamble money you can't afford to lose.
This movie was chock-full of amazing actors. Loved Bill Camp even in this brief role.
My heart broke watching this scene, poor Harlan.. he loved his wife, was excited about the party, then Brad made him lose everything.. poor Harlan....
he was weak
@@bevrosity you wouldnt be upset about that either.. well, you probably wouldnt considering i doubt you know how to play poker, much less do any activity that requires any legitimate brain power
@@genericrouge5742 He actually is weak.
@@rockwithyou2006 ok so you mean to say that if you lost, what was it, seven million dollars? in 72 hours you wouldnt wanna kill yourself? it would be more forgivable if it was to poor people or those who could use the money. nobody there needed it. hes an allegory for what happens when you tilt and nobody stops you. thats why people say its so scary to watch this. it isnt funny. he isnt weak. he was in control until he wasnt. everybody who knows what they were doing wouldve made the same damn calls he did. why? because you probably have a better chance of hitting a royal flush than what happened.
LOL, Harlan is a degenerate, end of story.
that subtle ringing alarm bell at 2:38 is just great post production work.
Small and great detail
Self Discipline in this Arena is Literally Everything!
The last hand was a classic PokerStars tournament beat. With constant beats like that and a high rake, what's not to love?!❤️😍❤️😍
lol, well you are happy when it happens to you isnt lol
@@lajeandom Yes, I love it.😍
This dealer got the pokerstars sticker on his clothes
After watching the movie, I can only think that Molly was in this for the challenge and the excitement of being around powerful people. In a different world she might be a free solo rock climber.
Or maybe an Olympic skier?
Sign here for rebuy reload#!
Shut up nerd
You should know movies are nothing but fiction.
In another life she would have been the same thing=glorified hostess of someone else's game.
@@robotube7361 -This was actually based on a true story (maybe enhanced a bit). But, she never would have been a bit player in someone else's game. It wasn't in her nature.
So Brad calls flop Q98 , check raised turn when second 9 came , before king showed on the river - that's why Harlan puts him on KK
Genius read from best player at the table, any reason for kings to raise?
every time I lose a few hundred in the casinos...I go back to this specific movie clip, and I feel SO...... MUCH....... BETTER!!!!!!!
While this is fun for a movie, its highly unrealistic that Harland would fold. Most pros just suck it up and pay off. Coolers like this are just that: you pay it off and suck it up because the alternative that they are bluffing or shoving with just a 9, is far more likely. if you're wrong, you say "Nice hand" and wait. But to go on tilt is an ugly option. Another strategy is IF you do fold OR call, AND ARE WRONG, you recognize that you are tired, and YOU LEAVE. It's ok because you know you'll win next time.
exactly, in a cash game you just suck it up and call it, if you're very late in a tournament and it's for all of your chips, then it's a different thought process
yea plus Tilting is much more likely over a bad beat rather than a tight fold, they should have just used the second hand
Aaron Sorkin is a really good writer. And Jessica Chastain is a really good actress.
You must be talking about another movie.
Exact same thing happened to me (albiet for significantly less money) last week.
Folded trip aces to a player who had literally nothing (he showed). I lost right around 40% of my stack. I was still up for the night, but was heated. Ended up losing my whole stack by playing way too loose and swinging for the fences.
Thankfully, I went home and slept it off and didnt dig a deeper hole, but I lost $600 from being on tilt.
Assuming that someone has no bluffs, and folding full-houses, is truly "AMATEUR NIGHT" HAHA!!
lesson #1....bankroll management....never have more than 5% of your roll in play at any time!...and if you lose that 5%....leave!
Since the action went “calling on the flop, check raising the turn, and bombing the river” (technically the river action is a check shove), I would never put Bad Brad on pocket kings. J10, 89, 88, or even Ah9h are much more likely, and maybe occasionally QQ. Since you block QQ, this is a mandatory call. A good player would never check raise KK on the turn.
But that’s the point, Brad is so terrible & unconventional. Nothing he does makes sense, so that’s why Harlan folded.
Anyone else notice that the "you mother fucker" sounds an awful lot like Teddy KGB?
Probably an homage to Rounders.
This could have been a perfect poker movie but they just had to mess up the hands. It's a weird mix: the jargon is at the level of someone who has played recreationally for two years, yet the hands and the analyzing by Molly is at the level of someone who's watched two hours of old WSOP highlights on ESPN. My theory is that they had a decent poker consultant who would have made the first hand look something like the Ronnie Bardah vs Miss Finland (an unconventional but successful bluff from a fishy amateur on a pro) but the producers thought all of that too complicated and insisted on high but simple drama. Classic hollywood: simplification to the point where things make no sense. By the time they insisted that on a Q77 flop a guy (1) just knows his opponent to have queens full (wtf? how?) but (2) decides to represent quad sevens (WTF!?) the consultant had probably already quit and demanded that his name is taken out of the end credits.
You know why?
Because 99.999% of people who watch movies don’t give a shit about realistic poker dialog. 😄
Would have been more realistic if the norway guy had KK rivered a single king instead. Still a bad beat though.
You know this is based on a true story?
This hand is based on a real hand in Bloom’s book. So it’s likely this actually happened. That said, the guy isn’t trying to convince the dude he has quad 7’s, he’s just some dumbass running a bad bluff and running into the nuts and then hitting a 99-1 shot. The hand and outcome are fine and happen every day thousands of times in card rooms across the country. The jargon about the hands is just dumb as fuck though.
I also felt the same with this movie. There's some real quality poker mixed with some awful stuff. The thought process up to about minute 2 is fine, that sort of range analysis is common for anybody at the table.
But he has the 3rd (edit, 4th*) best hand on a board that is super wet, playing people who will overplay smaller boats and even straights. Yes, sometimes you take a hit here but any profitable poker player is making this call, and if Brad has 99 or KK (edit, or QQ) it just sucks and you go home.
Molly says he's lost only $40K after folding, which implies there was $20K of his money in before the river, $20K of Brad's and maybe the blinds. Let's say $45K. Brad then shoves for $72K so the pot is $117K, so now he has to call $52K to win $117, or be right 40% of the time to make it a profitable call. He's never played with Brad before, he could be the tightest rock or the wackiest idiot, but you're making that call and if you lose, you have a story to tell.
Also, does Brad's hand really represent a "huge hand" having checked that flop. It's Q 9 8 with a flush draw. Any huge hand like J10 or 2 pair suited you now have beat, whilst things like A9 hearts may also play this way. Likewise maybe AJ or A10 hearts plays this way, sure you'd probably reraise on the flop, but this puts a lot of pressure if you only have say AQ or even AA feels uncomfortable here, so I'd not hate it. I can also see 8s playing this way, although again you'd typically see a raise on the flop.
Knowing all that, you simply have to call, you're at the top of your range, you've no knowledge on the other player, and the board is quite favourable for people getting over excited.
At 5:26, I FUCKING SWEAR they piped in Malkovich’s Mothafuckrr from Rounders on that second one
I've had both happen to me. Playing well and then a single bad play causing my to spiral into a panic ending in heavy losses, and playing like crap until a lucky break turns my game around. It happens to the best and the worst of us.
They’ve done the research and this scenario hit home. Lot of poker players included the best pros goes on tilt. There is a factor called LUCK. And when luck hits, you just gotta walk away.
The first hand is stupid, how can he not call that. He has 9‘s full of Q’s betting 20k into about a 35-40k pot he is obviously value betting, then the guy jams for another 50k on top and doesn’t instacall, I figured making calls like this is what got him up 100k. He has to be the tightest of tight players not to make this call. The explanation doesn’t make sense either, Brad made it look like he had KK’s so did he 3-bet pre flop? If so then Harlan has to be on the button, table folds to him, Harlan raises, Brad 3-bets in one of the blinds then Harlan calls, but if Harlan’s tight then why would he call a 3-bet with Q9 off. That can’t be the case though because there is no button in front of Harlan. Hell there isn’t a button anywhere near them and is actually on the other side of the table, so that means Brad bet first then Harlan called Q9 off in the big blind. But if that’s so then how did Brad check raise the turn? And if he check raise the turn then why does Harlan think he has KK’s? He has to have 9x like A9 of hearts? That’s the only hand Harlan would think that Brad would check call the flop, check raise the turn, and then check jam the river as a bluff since there are straights and full houses on the board. Let’s say that Harlan was first to go with betting since he has such a bad hand pre flop that he would only call a raise in one of the blinds and the button is to his right. So Brad raises pro flop, Harlan calls in the big blind, Harlan probably bets like 5k on the flop, Brad calls, Harlan bets 10k on the turn, Brad calls, Harlan bets 20k on the river, and brad jams for 72k total and Harlan’s like “oh yea, he definitely has KK’s”. Yea it’s in brad’s range but so is JT suited,9x, 88’s and missed draws that Brad is turning into a bluff. QQ’s are also in his range but Harlan blocks it with his queen. So there is no way he folds no way!! In real life Harlan calls the all in and let’s say Brad did have KK’s, then he loses another 50k that’s puts him down to about 75k. Getting river’d happens all the time in poker and Harlan would pick himself up and keep going and keep playing tight but no, he folds sees he got bluffed and instead of taking a note and marking Brad as a donkey he goes full tilt starts playing like a donkey himself and loses a million dollars in the process. Hollywood bullshit!!!!! All of it!!!!
That’s the thing about High Stakes No-Limit. It’s just like Daniel Negreanu says, you gotta be able to take a punch to the gut, lose $100,000, and still keep your head on straight.
Some people just can’t handle the swings.
FreedomFighterUnion Most true statement that has been ever said about poker.
How easy would it be to consult a poker player whilst making these movies?
I know. They didn't even need to hire a professional to do it.
I learned how to play poker little over a week ago and even I realise how stupid this is.
Watching just an hour of vids of pros playing/coolers/tilting/laying down hands/ getting the nuts on TH-cam couldve saved this scene
It's possible that Aaron Sorkin wrote this movie for a general audience, rather than just poker players. His writing in West Wing and Studio 60 are the same way.
@@Gunman610 What difference would the situation being realistic make to the general audience?
@happyz hoodwinker You're either absolutely clueless, a terrible reg or an enthusiastic rec. Either way, this is where I exit this 'debate'.
I share many football wagering tilt experiences with probably thousands of others who tank the 1 and 4 pm games and go heavy on that Sunday night game to break-even. Yet another reason why Monday mornings suck ass.
This is your reminder to leave the table… probably even go home if you start to get tilted!
Everytime something like this happens I just say to the table "nice hand, I need a second after that one" take a walk, let myself get over it, and then move on with the night. Just last night i got bluffed off a straight on a paired board in a live session in a similar manner, and instead of losing all my money, i came back and still ended up a few hundred for the night.
Just watching this scene gave me anxiety about my poker experiences in the casino...
I think it’s just not real for a player with experience
In the book, the character who is portrayed as Harlan was actually a decent poker player, and he did actually tilt off, maybe not full but he began to lose a lot of hands, what is true is that player X/ Tobey Maguire paid for his buy ins and took some of his winnings
Patrick Macasaet Ye I known. But the movie said, that Halan dropped all his poker-knowledge and just played like a kid. He must be pissed off. Well maybe i don’t have lost as much money as Halan😂😂 so I can’t have the same feeling as Halan.
@@AlmonteList, Everybody (even pros) tilts. Harlan consistently re-bought and at point point re-bought for 500K, tilting away $960k (after his bluffed pot) is very possible considering he's been playing (or rather tilting) for 2 days straight.
Harlan is a tight player per narration and every tight player considers the *chance* that his opponent has the better hand. As the narration explained in the Q899K hand, Harlan has never played with "Bad" Brad and he chose to give "Bad" Brad the benefit of the doubt, which is not uncommon when you're faced with player you've never played before. Harlan may have gone overboard and tilted for another $950k and missed his wife's surprise party, but it ain't impossible for him to do so. Tilt can happen for a million reasons, being bluffed out of a pot is a very common one.
Andy Ngô if he folds a full house I would want to play with him any chance I could.
Matt McLaren I believe some of this is true in the video. How you may ask? Simple in real life all you have to look at is Phil Hellmuth and the devil fish.
Am i missing something?
How did harlen get check raised on the turn and then lead the river?
Check raise then raise
Weseem Abdullah could you elaborate?
@@well.thy.one. the only way it would make sense is if they didn't show bad brad check on the river before Harlan bet 20g.
Tom das but then it wouldnt be a lead, he would have check raised both streets
Poor sketch.. no on is folding 9s full after putting 20k in and not calling extra 50 k with third best nuts!
paul williamson specially when he had 1.3million lol
The third best nuts isn't even a phrase lol
@@mikelong2756 Yes it is. Maybe the "best" part is uncommon, but "the third nuts" is a very common term.
@@AirmailMRCOOL you're right the third nuts in a common term...he said the third best nuts which isn't a common term
It's not even the third best fullhouse. This shit is actually making me laugh. Nobody in this comment section can get this very simple thing correct.
what a shame to lose your entire bankroll over being bluffed one time..................that's why you always have to set loss limits, if you reach that limit, you stop playing no matter what, that's what chip reese said who was the greatest ever.
Never folding a boat to an unknown. Even with preflop action and being check raised on the turn. Guy could have AA A9 89s 9Ts AK KQ so many hands he still way ahead of. Putting him on exactly KK when folding river is a terrible nutty move.
Doug Polk's advise," Never fold the top of your range".
I am confused, how is he check raising the turn if he is in position?
Apparently, "Player X" in real life was Toby Maguire. Fun little tidbit.
seriously?
@@fsylla69 yea. He's a pos too from what I've read
@@hwanjung8230 wow that's interesting
duh
Guess thats why they cast Michael Cera.
Pretty standard flip out moment at the end if you ask me with a pot of 750k.
lol folding queens full getting 3 to 1 and thinking he's the best player at any table.. guy isn't the best player at a live 1/2 game.
He didn't have queens full, smart guy.
@@jonathansykes4986 Try again, bud. He had nines full. She even says it in the video lol
@@royallwind3937 "Bud" and "smart guy". Insulting a stranger on the internet (whose point was still just as valid) you must feel proud and good. Strong enough to take on the world.
@@ilovebrandnewcarpets People shouldn't act so cocky when they obviously don't know what they're talking about. He even replied "Yes he did" after I corrected him. Looks like he erased that comment though ;)
Its a movie guys
I’ve had a similar experience. Your blood temperature increases by a factor of ten. And you see nothing but red. You go for the jugular vein on the next round.
I watched this very thing happen to a friend of mine at the Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa. It was scary as hell!! Just like in this video it was like he became a different person. We had to physically drag him out of there!!
Good movie but MAN I wish the poker scenes weren't a complete disaster in terms of logic and gameplay. It's possible to make Bad Brad a bad poker player without portraying him like he has a single digit IQ. Harlan folds because Brad doesn't realize he's bluffing even though he says right after the hand that he didn't have anything, so does he not know the rules to the game or something? Doesn't make any sense.
no, the rules to the game are very simple, he just didn't realize what each bet signalled
I never rebuy for at least 20-30 minutes. Gives me time to cool off.
That is wrong, Poker is also a game of luck , you need to go home and do a stop loss
folds A9 suited to a single open, somehow gets into a 4bet pot with Q9. makes sense. Im pretty sure these stories are not real.
lmao seriously right?
it is actually real...
Lmao
jigb jones off-suit actually
On of the best movies I've seen in my lifetime.
Bro give me recommendations for movies like these
@@madankumarsingh1598 rounders
How about movies you saw before your lifetime?
You need to watch more movies then
IDK if this is from a movie or something but the accuracy is absolutely terrifying...
For an extra 50k, I call that push everyday and twice on Sunday!
@@LouisE-mp8lx He also loses to K/9
@@nickhalden5207 The guy didn't play like he had k 9.
@@bobbytux4735 Lmao how doesn't K/9 beat Q/9?
@@nickhalden5207 sorry i read what u said wrong in context. Yea it wins if he has it but he didnt play like k9 prior to everything which was the point of the scene.
@@bobbytux4735 I understand but I was replying to the other guy's previous comment of him only losing to KK and QQ. He also loses to K/9
anyone know the name of Harlans watch?
Poker might be the only game where it's actually more challenging to play with a bunch of people who have no clue what they are doing.
Not true at all lol
"He wants him to think he has 2 more sevens under there"
......WHAT????????????????????????????????????
Nobody and I mean NOBODY would shove quads in a pot that has 120k and you shove 300k over bet. Next time you guys write about poker asks somebody who has played at a Casino at least.
this is an anecdotal scene, made to teach a lesson to the viewer. "This is what not to do".
I would call. There is no shame lose with 99,6 % equity (third nuts) and there are more combination could be played this way (AA, X9 suited, busted open - ended straight flush draw, or famous stone cold bluff). pot odds 1:2 are also saying GO in this situlation. But calling raise with Q 9 off suited on deep stack pre-flop is the biggest poker sin i think.
4:46 99.29% Harlan's hand holds up
yet the guy with 0.8 % to win over bet shoves 3 times the size of the pot with just an A high
LoowheezeBreeze Murphy's Law
So... you’re saying there’s a chance??!!
IshiAza Ishev it was a beautiful time back then 😭
Wow that scene was complete bullshit
It's why I leave once I am down three buy ins at the most. And you can't fold that boat hand, especially with no read.
This is a famous story about the grinder. he was staked in by Toby Mcguire and this happened. The royal person who gave him the the runner runner cooler was from Saudi Arabia.
You're right it was Muhammad Bin Salman
www.pocketfives.com/articles/molly-blooms-tell-all-poker-memoir-destroys-tobey-maguire-589520/
Thanks for sharing this very helpful information, never re buy more than once .
The best poker advice I ever recieved was from someone in a small group of casual friday night players.
"Never think about anything after bad hand. The only thing you need to remember, is how to breathe, and how to play."
Don't think about anything...think about breathing and how to play? ok
What makes this movie decent is that she said check raising the turn and bombing the river... I like the term bombing this movie had decent stuff poker wise. I guess this is just a lesson in variance?
*Just came here to read all the Poker Pros handing out lordly advice to a character based on a real man who was "the best player at most tables"*
Actually, he wasn't, there were hundreds of players better, probably thousands, at that time, Doyle Brunson, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Patrick Antonius, and a bunch of other players were the REAL best players at most of the tables, and I can tell 100% confident, that none of them would fold that fucking full house, it was a bad play, a fold that came out of the fear, the fear of losing what you ve already earned, no great player feels that fear, and if they do, they ignore it, a good player would never food that hand. That fear is usually a sign of a bad player. And not one of the best.
If you don't know a lot of poker, I understand what you said, but if you knew a little you would see how crazy is to fold that hand.
@Georgi Shopov Well I played a few times here and there, and I understand whats you say, but I still think is fear, fear to lose what you ve earned already.
@@lanvlanv5184 That's why you gotta be bankrolled properly and if you buy in for 1000$, 1000$ is 100BB for you. If you buy in for 10000$, that's 100BB for you. (Big blinds)
If you fear for the money you have, one bad beat and all is gone, you will be afraid of bluffing the river, not being confident and relax etc etc
There's a video of a hand like the last one from a real tournament, the winning player actually felt really bad and apologized
Have you got a link to the video? I'd like to see that.
First time I played poker at a casino
I lost 100$
Was the worst pain I ever felt
Harlan lost over a million
I never wanna feel that pain 😅😐
Geez, you're a winner if you only lost a 100
Funny. I lost $100 playing blackjack. That was the only time I’ve gamble since.
@@ratataran I suppose it's all he had 🤣
People like that should never play no-limit. The swings you go on are no joke... and those who can't handle it destroy their lives.
Folding 9s full huh? Well played sir.
If anything, the scene shows the dangers not of going on tilt but of over relying on your ability to spot tells lol.
I do like how it's also foreshadowing how Bad Brad is actually a massive con artist who steals far more money from the players through bad investments than he ever loses playing poker by being able to hide his tells even when he's bluffing with air.
Getting beat on the run out after flopping the full house happened to me for $400 the other day.
1/3 sb/bb I’m in position pocket 4’s before the flop. Guy to my right I’m tied for chip stack lead raises to $20 pre flop, I call and everyone else folds. Heads up, flop comes 774, he checks, I slow play and check back. Queen comes on turn, he bets $40, I go in the tank for 1 min and I raise to $80, he goes in the tank for about 2 mins, he shoves all in for $400. I put him on QK, I snap call and show the hand. He says “I’m running behind”, shows QJ, we agree to run once. Q comes on river, other player says he had a Q so I lost a pot with 95.5% odds. I’m glad I had no extra money on me cause i woulda donated another buy in on tilt
That’s awful mate
I’m so scared about getting a gambling addiction
If that's truly an issue for you then you are definitely weak minded. Wouldn't recommend you bet.
ShadowViking47 like I’ve never done any sort of game involving money but I’m just scared I’ll get hook if I ever try it and ruin my life.Seen a lot of gambling movies
bit of advice, if you dont want to get the gambling bug you have to understand one thing. its just money so it doesnt matter. secondly only bet what you can afford and dont mind losing. these 2 things will make your poker fun and pretty quickly you will learn how to be real good after getting your ass handed to you for the little, while you learn from your mistakes. i myself had similar concerns, but after limiting my gambling money on poker and learning from my ass kickings for the first month i started seeing results. the best players at my local home game began to be scared of me and then id start to beat them at their own tactics. now im happy to go to casino and play against those rich fuckers with my 200 bucks and see how well i can do or bad i do. trust me dude poker is so much fun and super interesting mentally. worth it
This scene pains me as a long time poker player. Just because you are far more experienced and get your money in good unfortunately doesn't always hold. For non-gamblers who don't understand how bad that last loss is (QQ Full against AK with 2 cards to go), that's like your favorite baseball team being up 10-1 in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and then inexplicably losing. It seems impossible - I've been on the wrong end of that against overly aggressive morons at the table too. The worst!
It's okay Harlan nobody knows what YOU had. Take a chill pill. Tell em you had pocket 2s or something.
Best scene in the movie by far
Jessica looks hot here
Is this junior sopranos game.
"And I'll pull my hands out with my face"
The word tilted really sums it up. It’s like the balance in your head just tilted and you lost all your self control and reasoning, all you want is blood
No way any decent poker player is folding queens full. As for this guy being someone he hasn’t played with before, the key is paying attention to every hand played, not just the ones you’re in. It doesn’t take that long to figure out how someone plays.
I would say it’s the opposite. Great players lay down boats when they know theyre beat. Decent players and below never fold queens full. That’s what separates the great players from everyone else.
@@StuUngar no one KNOWS they’re beat when they have a boat. The odds their boat is beat is very low. Often the opponent will have 2 pair or a set, maybe a bricked out flush or straight draw that they’re turning into a bluff on the river. The only thing he’s losing to here is a pocket pair of Kings, or quads. If somehow the opponent got lucky with one of those two hands, you gotta just pay it off. If you start folding boats because someone’s betting into you, you’re gonna lose a lot more than the occasional cooler.
@@JT-gi8rx Actually yes, some people know they are beat when they have a boat.
Case in point, the 2003 Main Event. Phil Ivey had 9’s full of Queens. Moneymaker sucked out on him with an ace on the river to make Queens full of Aces. But Ivey has said time and again that he knew exactly what Moneymaker had.
Had that hand gone to the river, Ivey wouldve folded his boat even though pot odds and everything else says he should call.
You say you gotta just pay it off. I say that’s why Phil Ivey is who he is and none of us will ever be on his level.
Youre arguing that no player would ever do that. Im telling you that there’s a level far above you that youre not considering.
@@StuUngar pretty damn easy to put Moneymaker on a Q there. And the most likely other cars would be an A or K considering his preflop raise. But he could’ve had pocket aces or pocket kings as well. Maybe Ivey would’ve folded had he not jammed and saw the Ace river, but we can’t know for sure. Easy for him to say that in retrospect, but in the moment he could’ve done anything.
I’ve seen Ivey make a lot of incorrect calls, I’ve seen him make bluffs that we’re called off, and seen him make bad laydowns where he was bluffed off of hands.
Maybe he would’ve laid it down but also weighing in his mind that he’s one spot away from the final table and a big pay jump?
Maybe instead of jamming, Ivey bets 60% of his remaining stack, or checks and Moneymaker raises Ivey to 60%-80% of his stack. Come the river Ivey would have so few chips left, maybe he calls it off anyways with not much behind, or maybe he folds to, like I said earlier, try to sneak up a pay jump. It’s easier to fold knowing if you outlast someone else, you’ll make a massive amount more money. In a cash game it’s totally different. There it’s about how much you’ve put in, how much you have behind, etc. If the guy in the video had 500k behind, 30k in the pot, and the opponent puts him all in, then it’s an easier fold than simply raising him 40k more to call, right? To polarize it more, you’d call off pretty much anything if the raise was a few bucks, but easy to fold a boat if the raise is a million bucks. In this case the raise was an amount that this guy should’ve easily called off. Considering he’s rich, considering he’s up a ton, etc. Given his situation, he can never be folding here, given the amounts and everything, and that he’s beat by just KK or quads. The fast that people often bluff in poker makes it so you can never be 100% sure. If you’re 90% sure (at best), you’ll call off anything that you can afford to call off, and fold anything that would crush you financially.
@@StuUngar here’s an example to help you understand. th-cam.com/video/pdWL4x83jf4/w-d-xo.html
Skip to 19:56. Leng is at a roughly 9 to 1 chip advantage over Jungleman, has top pair, knows Jungle is short stack and gonna shove light because of it, but in his mind he “knows” Jungle is ahead, and thinks he’s making some next level genius fold. But it’s a terrible fold, folds a winning hand, and Jungle comes back to win. If Leng had just called the small amount, which would barely affect his chip stack, he would’ve won an extra $400k. So even though there were hands that were beating him, the fact is that he didn’t know 100% that he was beat, and it was a call he could afford to make, where he stood to win a bracelet and an extra 400k, but simply because he thought he knew “100%”, he lost all of that. This is why you don’t play that way.
Rumor has it Harlan was somewhere in the US near at the end of 2021and had 500k on Pitt +4 vs. Michigan St. Days after the game, when the police broke into his apartment to check on his welfare and found him dead, from apparently hanging himself, his neighbors said they heard a lot of loud yelling and cursing, followed by the sounds of breaking glass, then what they thought might be sobbing, and then everything went eerily quiet, and they never heard a sound coming from his apartment again.
Know your players, know your outs, know your table stake, know your pot sizing
I'm glad I know nuthin' about the game,
though the story is quite fascinating.
Lmao if I got a queen 9 in that situation and 99% of other poker players got that hand there not folding, if he’s got a bigger full house then I lose but the odds of that are not likely lol that’s not a profitable fold at all, ur winning that hand over 90% of the time.
Vinny Blanco also Harlem bet 20k and the guy went all in for 72k so it would only be 52k more to call
Exactly plus he was getting 3/1 to justify folding there you have to think you’re good there less than 33% of the time incredibly stupid fold