Yes, finally, finally someone is talking about the early ideas from the OG Blizzard crew that never got finished or scraped. That's exactly what I want for classic plus! Vanilla philosophy. Old Warcraft vibe. But honestly I don't know if the Blizzard company from today can pull this off. Hope dies Last. Good video Ebonhardt, I would like to see more videos about this topic where you go into more detail
Metzen said in the interview that he hated the gnomes and never wanted them in-game. That's why their city was never repaired, he wanted to be done with them and never revisit.
I knew about the Jaina plan and it was scrapped because Blizzard felt Arthas' and Jaina's story was becoming too similar to Raynor's and Kerrigan's. A Tauren dungeon honestly sounds fun. Perhaps we could get one some day, like when we finally deal with Magatha.
This video was very fun and interesting. Your accent and pronunciation is clear and audio is well balanced. I appreciate that much of your video is enjoyable without visuals since I tend to queue up listening material to idly listen to while I work via Bluetooth. Gotta subscribe keep it coming with the gaming content 😊
Adding to this, I also saw other comments agreeing with very longform content. I think it goes without saying that viewers like me would be super down for longform video content. I would use it for work listening but others might appreciate it as a sleep aid.
To me classic+ starts with the content of Vanilla and never goes cosmic at all. I like the races, the tech, the pace of play in live. I get that people that aren't entirely certain of their sexuality are quite awkward about the furries, but I think those are fine as well. I just think the cosmic stuff feels overcooked now that the players are right there going toe to toe with eldritch horrors and ancient gods. Those inconceivably massive things should be in the lore as inconceivably massive things that influence our content, but they shouldn't be our content. You're supposed to fear a wrathful god or a bunch of wrathful gods, not string them up by their ankles and beat them until loot falls out. Killing Gods in WoW has become banal. Never make the players in a MMO the chosen one.
I actually agree with this. The Titans, the Old Gods, and so much more just feel less important or cool. Knowing about Death, all these cosmic planes and these great plans just ruin it. I love Vanilla and WC3 where everything was inconceivably vague and mysterious. And I hope Vanilla/Classic+ heads down that direction imo.
Excellent video and a really great take that I haven’t heard any Classic WoW content creator mention before. There was so much content cut out of Vanilla due to budget and time constraints, why not have the Classic WoW team focus on that? They literally have a roadmap with many ideas already laid out for them…Brilliant.
You always forget to mention the Amani area, which was above the Plaguelands. In the alpha, it was a small green area, but later it turned into the Programmer Isles, and the map was rotated. However, it's the same area you can see in the old maps. In fact, if you load the maps from version 0.5.3 in an editor like Noggit, move to this area, and inspect the texture properties, you'll notice that the textures are named Amani_XXX, etc I would add that if you load the Zul'aman or Amani models in a program viewer, you’ll see that the models have two versions with different textures. I speculate that these were the original designs for this alpha area, which were later improved and replaced with new textures in TBC. This also happens with the Nerubian structures; there are classic-style textures and others from the WotLK era. I like to think that long before WotLK, there was already a classic version of Northrend, just as there is for TBC. It’s possible that in this version of Northrend, the raid and final boss could have been Ahn'kahet with Anub'arak as the final boss (I like to think about this idea).
Btw i like how turtle wow tries to restore what classic would have looked like with its cut content, buuutt there is so many cut content that its hard to add it all
azshara was supposed to be a pvp area or something like that, wasn't it? and in the outlands there are dark portals in every (most) zone, in the map you can see them marked
The STV "dungeon" was never meant to be a dungeon... It was meant to be a "Payload"-type PvP BG... and... we got it eventually, it's Silvershard Mines. In Aszhara there is a Base for each faction as well, that was supposed to become a "DotA/LoL"-type of PvP BG, which we of course never saw.
I'd like to know more about the scrapped dungeons, especially the tauren one, why have we never gotten a Tauren dungeon Blizzard?!? We got a Gnoll dungeon for crying out loud, and two damn centaur dungeons, and not a sniff of tauren dungeon in the making.
UGH... of course this gonna end up being one of those "classic plus" videos... Devs please make this, do that... Bro... No, we don't want they making more alternative timelines... that scrap idea about Jaina? It was scrapped because it wouldn't realy work with the rest of the story... And all that "cut content" "scrapped content"... more like delayed... the reality is that, there isn't enough time to pump out all the ideas devs have and they need to chose and go for some 1st... Oultands is not cut content...we got it in TBC, like Kara... it got planned, they had most of the interirors developed, but ran out of time... so we left it for later... and what we got was GOOD! much better then what it would have been had they rushed it just to be in vanilla. Goblins got delayed because they ran out of time to make more races... their animatios and models were not realy finished to be playable. We did not get them till Cata because they needed to get Blood Elves and Draeneis for TBC, then for Wrath they wouldnt have made a lot of sense and they were working on the 1st hero class plus all the content we got in Wrath... Every Classic Plus Tard is always singing the same song... in short... all they want is Blizzard to add content that already exist in posterior expansions, to vanilla... just stick it in there! Or worst, take discarded ideas that would go totaly against the lore, just because they... i dunno, they think it would be cool? Having an alternate time line where jaina becomes the banshe queen... are you dumb? That would be confusing and pointless... Hey, i know, what not make classic plus where instead, Sargeras and the Burning Legion are the heroes that save Azeroth, and Elune is the evil overlord, and we all are robots because YogSaron never created the curse of Flesh, and there's no dungeons and instead we just have open world mini-dungeons as they 1st planned, were we need to wait for half an hour for respawns but then someone else gets the tag first and we need to wait again... See, i can have stupid ideas too!
FEED BACK for classic+ - They need to unlocked all the locked maps in Azeroth and add new quest/story chains. - There are total 9 locked map in vanilla Azeroth (with isles) - They should add new dungeons and few new raids to some of these locked maps ofc. and design new items/gears fit to vanilla culture. - Some of people dont wanna see GDKP - Bots - Multiboxers - gold sellers and boosters. blizz should take this into consideration. - BARBERSHOP would be great in vanilla btw. (Except for gender reassignment) - We want to see the more lore from; The Great war to warcraft3 in vanilla Azeroth! - WE DONT WANNA PLAY WITH FCKN RETAIL SKILLS ofc! - We wanna see new races in line with the story of vanilla(warcraft). (maybe worgens cuz worgens shows in 2003 vanilla trailer. maybe high elves, maybe goblins or ogres idk) - More world boss and more wpvp events would be good ofc in line with the lore of vanilla. - Another arena would be great like grubashi with different chest or reward idk. - We dont want flying mounts and transmogs! I am a 35 year old dad warcraft player, I have cleared vanilla twice before. Now I started again in Zandalar tribe fresh(eu) because SoD(PTR) is a disgrace! I hope one day they will complete the unfinished vanilla and present it to us...
What's the biggest thing you wish they kept in Vanilla?
Your mom 😢🎉
Hero classes, would be so fun. Finally a reason to reroll the same class 3 times.
The Summoning Quest stayed as a shaman quest.
the goblin faction which had playable orges and was a third faction.
Stop apologizing and make that 5 hour breakdown video, we want to hear it ALL!
Legitimately would watch all 5 hours
The lack of a raid or dungeon in Stonetalon is very notable considering how important it was in WC3.
Yes, finally, finally someone is talking about the early ideas from the OG Blizzard crew that never got finished or scraped.
That's exactly what I want for classic plus! Vanilla philosophy. Old Warcraft vibe.
But honestly I don't know if the Blizzard company from today can pull this off.
Hope dies Last.
Good video Ebonhardt, I would like to see more videos about this topic where you go into more detail
Enough people have asked, that I'm going to start cooking up an hour+ video on all the OG Concepts. Will take me a bit, but it's gonna be cool.
Nice, I'm looking forward to it.
Check Turtle WoW out :)
@@jakemoffatt3004 Turtle Wow is great, and with the new update "Tower of Karazhan" it get's even better
Metzen said in the interview that he hated the gnomes and never wanted them in-game.
That's why their city was never repaired, he wanted to be done with them and never revisit.
I knew about the Jaina plan and it was scrapped because Blizzard felt Arthas' and Jaina's story was becoming too similar to Raynor's and Kerrigan's.
A Tauren dungeon honestly sounds fun. Perhaps we could get one some day, like when we finally deal with Magatha.
Most of the random dark poertals were placeholder for dungeon entrances. Older instances that became dungeons started just like this.
Grim Batol proper would be soooo sick 🙌
I'd love for them to do a Grim Batol proper in Classic+
@@EbonhardtTVTurtlewow is all in gonna say
Ok Jaina as the banshee queen is hype af I never knew that was even thought about.
This video was very fun and interesting. Your accent and pronunciation is clear and audio is well balanced. I appreciate that much of your video is enjoyable without visuals since I tend to queue up listening material to idly listen to while I work via Bluetooth.
Gotta subscribe keep it coming with the gaming content 😊
Adding to this, I also saw other comments agreeing with very longform content. I think it goes without saying that viewers like me would be super down for longform video content. I would use it for work listening but others might appreciate it as a sleep aid.
GO GO GOBLIN GADGET!!!. I’m for one wanted to be a goblin and came back to Cata in 2011 just to play one. Love your content 👍🏼
Goblin is definitely a great race. I'd love to see some of the other cut content ideas, like Demons, Naga and Ogres.
@@EbonhardtTV we have talked about Nagas in the past and would be a awesome race to play.
id watch more vanilla cut content ^^
I might see about making some mega "All Content Cut From Vanilla" 3 hour long mega video lmao
You said Classic+ is on the rise as if it’s been confirmed. Did I somehow miss this or was that said based off something else you saw or heard?
To me classic+ starts with the content of Vanilla and never goes cosmic at all.
I like the races, the tech, the pace of play in live. I get that people that aren't entirely certain of their sexuality are quite awkward about the furries, but I think those are fine as well. I just think the cosmic stuff feels overcooked now that the players are right there going toe to toe with eldritch horrors and ancient gods.
Those inconceivably massive things should be in the lore as inconceivably massive things that influence our content, but they shouldn't be our content. You're supposed to fear a wrathful god or a bunch of wrathful gods, not string them up by their ankles and beat them until loot falls out.
Killing Gods in WoW has become banal.
Never make the players in a MMO the chosen one.
I actually agree with this. The Titans, the Old Gods, and so much more just feel less important or cool. Knowing about Death, all these cosmic planes and these great plans just ruin it.
I love Vanilla and WC3 where everything was inconceivably vague and mysterious. And I hope Vanilla/Classic+ heads down that direction imo.
@@EbonhardtTV Sir, we do not know about death. That never happened, and let us never mention that again.
Excellent video and a really great take that I haven’t heard any Classic WoW content creator mention before. There was so much content cut out of Vanilla due to budget and time constraints, why not have the Classic WoW team focus on that? They literally have a roadmap with many ideas already laid out for them…Brilliant.
Really great video! Not the same slab put into a video. Thank you :)
You always forget to mention the Amani area, which was above the Plaguelands. In the alpha, it was a small green area, but later it turned into the Programmer Isles, and the map was rotated. However, it's the same area you can see in the old maps. In fact, if you load the maps from version 0.5.3 in an editor like Noggit, move to this area, and inspect the texture properties, you'll notice that the textures are named Amani_XXX, etc
I would add that if you load the Zul'aman or Amani models in a program viewer, you’ll see that the models have two versions with different textures. I speculate that these were the original designs for this alpha area, which were later improved and replaced with new textures in TBC. This also happens with the Nerubian structures; there are classic-style textures and others from the WotLK era. I like to think that long before WotLK, there was already a classic version of Northrend, just as there is for TBC. It’s possible that in this version of Northrend, the raid and final boss could have been Ahn'kahet with Anub'arak as the final boss (I like to think about this idea).
Btw i like how turtle wow tries to restore what classic would have looked like with its cut content, buuutt there is so many cut content that its hard to add it all
I love the idea of the Dark Iron Highway actually going somewhere. Also, Jaina as the Banshee Queen is a scary thought.
clickbait, there is no wolves riding on each other in this vid :c
Worgen riding Worgen is not the search result you think you wanna search lmao
azshara was supposed to be a pvp area or something like that, wasn't it? and in the outlands there are dark portals in every (most) zone, in the map you can see them marked
I want to hear more about that Dark Iron highway.
This is what classic plus needs to be
Jaina and Sylvanas were awesome characters pre (during) wotlk ....
The STV "dungeon" was never meant to be a dungeon... It was meant to be a "Payload"-type PvP BG... and... we got it eventually, it's Silvershard Mines.
In Aszhara there is a Base for each faction as well, that was supposed to become a "DotA/LoL"-type of PvP BG, which we of course never saw.
There was supposed to be a third faction goblin empire but they thought 3 factions would be to much to handle
Would have been fine
I'd like to know more about the scrapped dungeons, especially the tauren one, why have we never gotten a Tauren dungeon Blizzard?!? We got a Gnoll dungeon for crying out loud, and two damn centaur dungeons, and not a sniff of tauren dungeon in the making.
We need to see the original vanilla get finished in classic plus!
Amazing video! Aand i got surprised that u only have 5k sub.. i through u had more from the quality of the content, keep up the amazing videos! ^^
look up Conquest of Azeroth. Project Ascension adding 21 classes to classic wow based on lore
yes break it all down. i watched an 8 hour megaman video and Id watch yours too!
o6:50 ME: "This video... controversial take".
Give us the extended cut next (5 hour edition)
Man I love your videos keep them coming 👍
Break it all down.
This is fascinating.
I might just do that. 5 hour video incoming?
Good video
ah finally someone so handsome and chadlike explaining stuff to me
maybe a number of videos per dungeon. But a 5 hour would do as well.
great video thanks
Awesome history and future ideas.
Tbc was great but why they didn’t just expand on the world they already had baffles me
BRD is a masterpiece.
i like the shirt, good taste
I just want the guild bank and brawlers guild, maybe a few areas and quest lines completed in era the rest don't matter.
Make a Video for every cut dungeons
Hero class exists in SOD. It’s called shaman
Found a mistake at 15:00
Yeah bro make that 5 hour video.
UGH... of course this gonna end up being one of those "classic plus" videos... Devs please make this, do that... Bro... No, we don't want they making more alternative timelines... that scrap idea about Jaina? It was scrapped because it wouldn't realy work with the rest of the story...
And all that "cut content" "scrapped content"... more like delayed... the reality is that, there isn't enough time to pump out all the ideas devs have and they need to chose and go for some 1st... Oultands is not cut content...we got it in TBC, like Kara... it got planned, they had most of the interirors developed, but ran out of time... so we left it for later... and what we got was GOOD! much better then what it would have been had they rushed it just to be in vanilla.
Goblins got delayed because they ran out of time to make more races... their animatios and models were not realy finished to be playable. We did not get them till Cata because they needed to get Blood Elves and Draeneis for TBC, then for Wrath they wouldnt have made a lot of sense and they were working on the 1st hero class plus all the content we got in Wrath...
Every Classic Plus Tard is always singing the same song... in short... all they want is Blizzard to add content that already exist in posterior expansions, to vanilla... just stick it in there! Or worst, take discarded ideas that would go totaly against the lore, just because they... i dunno, they think it would be cool? Having an alternate time line where jaina becomes the banshe queen... are you dumb? That would be confusing and pointless... Hey, i know, what not make classic plus where instead, Sargeras and the Burning Legion are the heroes that save Azeroth, and Elune is the evil overlord, and we all are robots because YogSaron never created the curse of Flesh, and there's no dungeons and instead we just have open world mini-dungeons as they 1st planned, were we need to wait for half an hour for respawns but then someone else gets the tag first and we need to wait again... See, i can have stupid ideas too!
My guess would be that Turtlewow has it correct. Highelves for the Alliance and Goblins for the Horde.
FEED BACK for classic+
- They need to unlocked all the locked maps in Azeroth and add new quest/story chains.
- There are total 9 locked map in vanilla Azeroth (with isles)
- They should add new dungeons and few new raids to some of these locked maps ofc. and design new items/gears fit to vanilla culture.
- Some of people dont wanna see GDKP - Bots - Multiboxers - gold sellers and boosters. blizz should take this into consideration.
- BARBERSHOP would be great in vanilla btw. (Except for gender reassignment)
- We want to see the more lore from; The Great war to warcraft3 in vanilla Azeroth!
- WE DONT WANNA PLAY WITH FCKN RETAIL SKILLS ofc!
- We wanna see new races in line with the story of vanilla(warcraft). (maybe worgens cuz worgens shows in 2003 vanilla trailer. maybe high elves, maybe goblins or ogres idk)
- More world boss and more wpvp events would be good ofc in line with the lore of vanilla.
- Another arena would be great like grubashi with different chest or reward idk.
- We dont want flying mounts and transmogs!
I am a 35 year old dad warcraft player, I have cleared vanilla twice before. Now I started again in Zandalar tribe fresh(eu) because SoD(PTR) is a disgrace!
I hope one day they will complete the unfinished vanilla and present it to us...
So yeah you're basically describing turtle wow lmao
I am like number 261
Damn the white board heard classic + got scared and ran out. Our boys room
Put on 1.25 speed. Thank me later.
This was correct lol