Don't be so hard on yourself; I think that squared-off tubing makes it look cool. I mean, just the fact that you went ahead and built the thing is impressive as hell. Look at how people are always talking about how they're "gonna" do this or that, well, you actually did it.
Probably connect the slides and join the bells, and use a mount to the human. That way, left hand is one slide, right is other. You will always be playing chords, however, unless both slides are in the same position.
Thats pretty amazing that you got those garbage of brand trumpets to be something no one has every seen before. I was really interested in how you would put them together, but good work Trent good work!
5 valve trumpets do exist, but not on this configuration. David Hickman has a custom 5 valve Trumpet with 1 rotor and 1 piston. The trumpet is in C. Pressing the 4th valve lowers the pitch by a half step. Pressing the trigger puts the trumpet in D. When you have both down (and they can lock in place as well), you have a Trumpet in Db.
Sorry I missed the opportunity to make a suggestion last week. I would've suggested the 5th and 6th valves do something to compensate for the fact that, when the 4th valve is depressed, all the other valves are out of tune -- a problem that the piccolo trumpet and most other non-compensating 4-valve brass instruments have.
Very interesting concept here, and as you mentioned I'm sure it's a good stepping stone to doing more of this sort of thing in the future, which I am eager to see. This was a good relatively safe way to test things out. A lot safer than using a couple Bach Strads for a first project hahaha.
I have a six valve tuba with the fifth valve being a quarter step. I bought it from a guy who pieced it together in his backyard. Other than me, nobody who ever tried it could play it. I found it to be quite a fun instrument, and I played it regularly in a bread quintet for a while. However, over the years it developed so many leaks that even I couldn't make it sound good anymore (and no tech with any dignity would want to work on it lol). It's currently being 'played' by a skeleton that's suspended from my band room ceiling by fishing line. Anyway, based on my experience with under-quality instruments, my recommendation for valve lube for your trumpet is Brasso brass polish. Just put a couple covid masks under the piston vents to keep it from dripping on you 👍
I've seen a picture of a previous 6 valve cornet. It had 7 separate bells arranged around the player's head. The idea was to have a perfectly tuned length for each ½step addition.
(Trent Hamilton) I think you should reclassify the old 6-valve trumpet as a percussion instrument and don't even put your breath in it! It kinda sounds like playing on the rim of a snare drum. The newer complete version looks and sounds great and can still be called a brass instrument! Thanks for sharing your instrumental creations with us! Dan!
I RECENTLY HAD 2 VERTEBRAE BORED OUT AND BONE FRAGMENTS REMOVED AND YOUR TRUMPET WAS NICER THEN THEN i FEEL M8. KEEP IT UP :-) . i LOVE WATCHING YOUR STUFF BEEN A FAN FROM THE START.
I come back to watch this video from time to time, and I always come up with an idea or two for what could have been done with the valves for an ideal setup. First of all, your normal valves should have been the "back three," or the first three that the leadpipe goes into. You use those valves with your right hand as usual. The "first" valve on the other block could be a muted bell with a euphonium style flange to hold the valve down, for continuous muted play. The second valve could be your microtonal valve, which by the way is probably the most interesting part of this concoction to begin with. Western instruments really aren't built with such a thing. As for the sixth valve, that would be your 1+3 combination, for extended range and alternate fingerings. For bonus points, you could manufacture new pistons and make a compensating trumpet using that fourth valve and really make a jack of all trades instrument. Out of all your zany instrument experiments, this one shows the most promise for an actual usable instrument, because I've really yet to see a commercial trumpet with any of the features you created for it, or that I added as well. I'm also glad you found a use for the world's second worst valved soprano instrument.
An interesting thing you could've done with that was have the other 2 valves change the key of the trumpets pitch like a bass trombone. You could have it set to D, Gb, F or even E. That would be kind of interesting to see but they would need to work like triggers rather than valves but since the valves do stick that could also help.
If you have welding materials or really really good solder, you should get another trumpet and a trombone and make a jazzophone. They're really expensive, so it would probably be better to just make one. They're pretty neat-o.
If you do such a trumpet modification again, would you consider making it so it supports 19 tone equal temperament? It's a pretty neat tuning system that is an easy expansion from the standard 12 tones.
stronger springs and polishing the valve pistons could help with sticky valves for little or no money put into the horn. yes! we would enjoy seeing it on The Wall
Trent, maybe you could do a program explaining why European brass are manufactured to a different pitch, or at least in the past they were, and you have to be careful when buying a used horn not to get one that is pitched higher than 440 A. I bought a horn not knowing better and lengthened the tuning slide, which helped, but the horn never sounded good after that.
Well im getting a new trombone in February, you can have my old one! King 606, no trigger, works well and has a few dents and dings. Bell is slightly bent.
I know you left this comment ages ago, but going “up” any desired amount is damn near impossible with piston valves as far as I can tell. If he had some way to mount a rotary on then perhaps it would be an option
Hi, Trent. I was just wondering where did you get your opening and closing "themes". I really like both of them (more of the last one). I like your videos by the way.
Trent, I'm aware that soprano and piccolo trombones have no seventh or sometimes even sixth position. Do you think you could add a trigger made from a trumpet rotary valve to a sop or pic bone? Or maybe a double slide!? Thanks
Its impressive how you get such a good sound on 2 40 dollar trumpets that you put together
Don't be so hard on yourself; I think that squared-off tubing makes it look cool. I mean, just the fact that you went ahead and built the thing is impressive as hell. Look at how people are always talking about how they're "gonna" do this or that, well, you actually did it.
I agree I've tried to fix a French horn on my channel
@@chillbrass8000 you have no videos :(
now time to make double slide trombone with the cheapest trombones
Ty Baird that is so bizarrw, I absolutely want to see it!
Ty Baird or his own superbone, one slide along with a valve block from a piston trombone
Such trombones isn't anything special(with double slide and/or valves). He even owned at least one of those.
a contrabass trombone from 2 cheap trombones
Tommy Brain thats what i was trying to say yes
At 5:05 when the fourth valve malfunctioned you actually got the quarter note of the Rast arabic maqam
It’s because the 4th one isn’t oiled
You could probably get more money than that thing's worth if you sell it on eBay.
The five valve trumpet has officially been defeated.
FIRST!
Trent Hamilton of course you beat me
Trent Hamilton boi 👏
True you made the video
Also nice choice of music Gabriel's Oboe is a great piece of music
Trent Hamilton making a six valve trumpet... I wish I could do stuff like that.
coming soon: two slide trombone
Already a thing cough cough contrabass trombone cough cough.
@@nicholastrombone9899 but they are not _independant_
Take to slides, put one in front of another, connect them and you have a super long slide
@@abedinsubashi How is that playable?
Probably connect the slides and join the bells, and use a mount to the human. That way, left hand is one slide, right is other. You will always be playing chords, however, unless both slides are in the same position.
Excellent! Congratulations! Careful, though. You'll wind up with a garage full of "donor" instruments like me.
I'm sure Wessex Tubas could probably use this prototype to make a much better one
wessex would probably sell it too. make it more ergonomic too. probably 4 valves with 2 rotaries
SaxSavage watch some mnzoli brass the tuba player in some video's either plays standard three or a 6 valve 3 piston two rotary
I just love how he played Crown 2019 Ballad
Thats pretty amazing that you got those garbage of brand trumpets to be something no one has every seen before. I was really interested in how you would put them together, but good work Trent good work!
5 valve trumpets do exist, but not on this configuration. David Hickman has a custom 5 valve Trumpet with 1 rotor and 1 piston. The trumpet is in C. Pressing the 4th valve lowers the pitch by a half step. Pressing the trigger puts the trumpet in D. When you have both down (and they can lock in place as well), you have a Trumpet in Db.
I am well aware of the 5 valve trumpet. I feel like that it is pretty cool having the many keys so extreme register notes can be grasped better.
If it must be rubbish, let it at least be interesting rubbish, no?
MrInitialMan yes
Sorry I missed the opportunity to make a suggestion last week. I would've suggested the 5th and 6th valves do something to compensate for the fact that, when the 4th valve is depressed, all the other valves are out of tune -- a problem that the piccolo trumpet and most other non-compensating 4-valve brass instruments have.
Very interesting concept here, and as you mentioned I'm sure it's a good stepping stone to doing more of this sort of thing in the future, which I am eager to see. This was a good relatively safe way to test things out. A lot safer than using a couple Bach Strads for a first project hahaha.
I have a six valve tuba with the fifth valve being a quarter step. I bought it from a guy who pieced it together in his backyard. Other than me, nobody who ever tried it could play it. I found it to be quite a fun instrument, and I played it regularly in a bread quintet for a while. However, over the years it developed so many leaks that even I couldn't make it sound good anymore (and no tech with any dignity would want to work on it lol). It's currently being 'played' by a skeleton that's suspended from my band room ceiling by fishing line. Anyway, based on my experience with under-quality instruments, my recommendation for valve lube for your trumpet is Brasso brass polish. Just put a couple covid masks under the piston vents to keep it from dripping on you 👍
I've seen a picture of a previous 6 valve cornet. It had 7 separate bells arranged around the player's head. The idea was to have a perfectly tuned length for each ½step addition.
I like how you played "Gabriel's Oboe" (the first tune) on the 6-valve trumpet. It's not a woodwind quite yet haha
the video starts at 0:00
god's work my boy
- UssMines - And ends at 6:29
5:77 ;)
- UssMines - thanks chief
How does it feel like to be with the Bluecoats? :)
The 6th valve should've been a valve where when you press it down it changes to the key of A
So another 2cd valve?
(Trent Hamilton) I think you should reclassify the old 6-valve trumpet as a percussion instrument and don't even put your breath in it! It kinda sounds like playing on the rim of a snare drum. The newer complete version looks and sounds great and can still be called a brass instrument! Thanks for sharing your instrumental creations with us! Dan!
I can't wait to see a more high quality version of this.
Yes, please continue doing this! It is just awesome to see this invention!
2021: 24 valve trumpet
Hello.
Keep up the inspiring and crazy work - never fails to bring a smile and a chuckle!
When you played it towards the end, I could literally hear the trumpet crying "kill meeee" lol
that is so badass that you have the capability of doing that
I RECENTLY HAD 2 VERTEBRAE BORED OUT AND BONE FRAGMENTS REMOVED AND YOUR TRUMPET WAS NICER THEN THEN i FEEL M8. KEEP IT UP :-) .
i LOVE WATCHING YOUR STUFF BEEN A FAN FROM THE START.
I come back to watch this video from time to time, and I always come up with an idea or two for what could have been done with the valves for an ideal setup. First of all, your normal valves should have been the "back three," or the first three that the leadpipe goes into. You use those valves with your right hand as usual. The "first" valve on the other block could be a muted bell with a euphonium style flange to hold the valve down, for continuous muted play. The second valve could be your microtonal valve, which by the way is probably the most interesting part of this concoction to begin with. Western instruments really aren't built with such a thing. As for the sixth valve, that would be your 1+3 combination, for extended range and alternate fingerings. For bonus points, you could manufacture new pistons and make a compensating trumpet using that fourth valve and really make a jack of all trades instrument. Out of all your zany instrument experiments, this one shows the most promise for an actual usable instrument, because I've really yet to see a commercial trumpet with any of the features you created for it, or that I added as well. I'm also glad you found a use for the world's second worst valved soprano instrument.
An interesting thing you could've done with that was have the other 2 valves change the key of the trumpets pitch like a bass trombone. You could have it set to D, Gb, F or even E. That would be kind of interesting to see but they would need to work like triggers rather than valves but since the valves do stick that could also help.
This could be the start of a new instrument that will be playable and accepted in the future
make a 10 valve trumpet dual bell trumpet
If you have welding materials or really really good solder, you should get another trumpet and a trombone and make a jazzophone. They're really expensive, so it would probably be better to just make one. They're pretty neat-o.
Looks like a steampunk espresso machine. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing. It's a glorious monstrosity.
I love the gabriels oboe in the beginning 😍
If you do such a trumpet modification again, would you consider making it so it supports 19 tone equal temperament? It's a pretty neat tuning system that is an easy expansion from the standard 12 tones.
Just in case anyone asks what that tune is called he played during the begging of the video, it's called Gabriel's Oboe
Here's an idea -- put a slide after the valves on something and operate it with the off hand
That's actually pretty cool
stronger springs and polishing the valve pistons could help with sticky valves for little or no money put into the horn.
yes! we would enjoy seeing it on The Wall
Cool trumpet!
That actually looks pretty cool
you could make the 6th valve a flat tone for use with the 4th valve to make it in tune
Actually, the first 6-valve trumpet was made by Adolph Sax in the mid-1800's. Perhaps a precursor to the modern saxophone than a trumpet.
Two years late but... CAROLINA CORWN’S 2019 PROGRAM, BENEATH THE SURFACE
Ye idk why I’m rewatching and that sounded familiar then I read ur comment and remembered it’s Gabriel’s oboe I think XC
Let me have a few pints before I listen to this again.Come to think of it,where'd I put that whiskey bottle of mine?
I love the intro
If that ain't for playin' acid jazz, then nuthin' is!!!!
Its 1 in the morning where i am but i dont care.
Same lol
Connor's Moto World me too lol
He hates Americans confirmed
Connor's Moto World it's confirmed he hates east coast Americans. I'm on west coast so get rekt
Me too
nice job playing legend of the castle aramagh
it sounds really good
Can I buy one from you?
Trent, maybe you could do a program explaining why European brass are manufactured to a different pitch, or at least in the past they were, and you have to be careful when buying a used horn not to get one that is pitched higher than 440 A. I bought a horn not knowing better and lengthened the tuning slide, which helped, but the horn never sounded good after that.
I think you missed your calling I think you should be a secret agent like James Bond .Building Bollywood trick trumpets that shoot bullets.
Maybe a double slide trombone? Idk man. Keep up the good work!
The sixth valve would be a very easy quarter tone modification.
great hack, Trent :)
Well im getting a new trombone in February, you can have my old one! King 606, no trigger, works well and has a few dents and dings. Bell is slightly bent.
Sure. Send it to me and I'll happily review it.
trent make a trombone with the valves of a trumpet then two slides then two triggers F & Db that would be a cool trumpbone
Very nice!
Can I buy it? The shipping would probably cost more than the instrument though.
Very good sir. How about electrically actuated valves?
For the 5th and 6th valves, one could be a quater tone up, and the other could be a quarter tone down
I know you left this comment ages ago, but going “up” any desired amount is damn near impossible with piston valves as far as I can tell. If he had some way to mount a rotary on then perhaps it would be an option
The sixth valve should lower the pitch by a half step, putting the instrument in A, thus making it easier to play in keys with a lot of sharps.
Interesting experiment....but my eyes are drawn to the soprano bugle and mellophonium behind you!
That’s awesome!
Can you please send me the link for the song a the end of every video
Hi, Trent. I was just wondering where did you get your opening and closing "themes". I really like both of them (more of the last one). I like your videos by the way.
I wonder what the melt value is for the brass. 😂
Trent, should I invest in a Monette trumpet?
Can you make a 6 valve euphonium?
maybe the next one might be or involve the world cheapest Trombone
We played that first song in band
Do more please
Brillo pad, then finest grit sandpaper and blue juice
Attach straps to the valves so you can pull them back up
For the Americans out here, that's about 1/6 of a watermelon worth of valve oil.
What's the lowest note it can play with all six valves pushed down?
I think you should have the bell point to the left.
what the freak what the song called or your ending of the video
try changing out the springs in the valves
Gabriel's Hobo...
What if you press the 3rd and the 6th valve?
*sees at least 4 valves* I'm interested
Dr Seuss would be proud
Jimmyjohns Official yes he would
What do u think of them
whow amazing..can i c u in the US..where
some companies like yamaha should make one of these, but a nicer version
Trent, I'm aware that soprano and piccolo trombones have no seventh or sometimes even sixth position. Do you think you could add a trigger made from a trumpet rotary valve to a sop or pic bone? Or maybe a double slide!? Thanks
Yes, it's possible. Although you'd have to redesign the piccolo trombone as I don't think there's enough room to practically add a rotary valve.
Maybe you could try putting a nice dent in the fifth valve?
Was "Gabriel's Oboe" the song that you played in the intro?
CrimsonSax PH yes!
Isn't there some strange way to make the sound come out of two or more bells at the same time without a valve to switch between them
What was the piece you played at the beginning with the trumpet?
Hey Trent, Where does your intro and outro music come from?
This is probably impossible but you should combine the 6 valve trumpet and combine it with a bass trumbone
No 6th valve demo?
Have u tried lapping the valves
Are these going to be mass produced? ;)
maybe the 6th valve should be a key change valve so you could have a C/Bb trumpet
Just out of curiosity, what time is it where you are (Welington, New Zealand if I'm correct) ?