Stanier Black 5's | Steam Locomotive | Ambleford Junction Model Railway | OO Gauge Railway | Hornby
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- A quick video of my two Stanier Black 5's running around my layout. I acquired a second hand Black 5 off eBay recently - No 44781, so I thought I'd run it alongside the existing Black 5 I own No 45289.
Your weathering looks great on the wagons, did you also do the black 5 or is that factory's? Also scenics really well crafted. 🎉thanks 👍
Thank you ! I did the weathering on the wagons and coaches myself. I don't quite trust myself to take on a locomotive yet, so both Locos are factory weathered. It looks like the Previous owner of 45289 has added some extra details as well though.
You can do the tin bath then.
Love the Black 5's great layout and running session.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👍
is OO the same as HO scale? I would not mind getting a couple of British locos in my collection some day
Hi John. OO Gauge is slightly different to HO. The scale is the same so the figures, buildings and accessories are the same but the gauge of the track is slightly different - so OO gauge Locos cannot run on HO track. I think outside of the UK OO gauge is pretty rare. The only UK outline model of a steam loco in Ho, that I personally know of, is this one of the flying Scotsman :
www.hattons.co.uk/1167009/trix_22886_class_a3_4_6_2_60103_flying_scotsman_in_br_green_with_late_crest_digital_sound/stockdetail
It seems pricey for what it is but as it has not been released yet I can't comment. Some of the most expensive OO gauge models are around £200-£250 so £500 for a HO Flying Scotsman seems excessive. There may be alternatives though if you shop around. Let me know if you find anything, hope this helps and answers your question 👍
I have a new Hornby Black 5. it killed a TTS decoder and two non decoders last night. Runs great under DC operation.
Yeah both of these examples run well on DC. They still hold up well as models even though the tooling is quite old now. I wonder what caused it to kill two chips ?
@@amblefordjunctionmodelrailway I really don't know. My mate is checking over the locomotive
What LMS service would have double headed Black 5's? Heavily laden Euston-Holyhead semi-fast? The infamous Leeds-Glasgow evening train? The Bristol-York on a summer Saturday? (BTW, Is that a Renown or a Bridgemaster? Might be a lowbridge Regent, but that's doubtful)
FREIGHT TRAIN OPERATIONAL TIPS
Nice layout, but your freight train as seen, would not have been allowed to leave its starting point, as its current formation doesn't comply with operational rules ! BR wagons painted Bauxite or displaying the letters "XP" are "fitted" wagons, along with a few other types mentioned below. Meaning they had vacuum brakes fitted and controllable from the train engine. ALL BR (pale) Grey wagons had NO train brakes, only a handbrake, so stopping them was an obvious problem !
PART FITTED FREIGHTS
Therefore the "fitted" or "XP" marked wagons MUST be coupled behind the locomotive, with the Grey (unfitted) wagons coupled BEHIND the "fitted" ones. In this order you have what is known as a "Part fitted" freight. The front part with the fitted braked wagons can obviously be controlled by the locomotives vacuum brake. The grey wagons at the rear of the train, having NO brakes, creates a minor danger. As the locomotive & fitted wagons have to be capable of holding the non braked (grey) wagons, when the limited braking available is applied. Hence "part fitted" freight trains were usually limited to a maximum 45mph.
UNFITTED FREIGHTS
With "Unfitted" freights (no wagons AT ALL have train brakes,) so usually a train load of pale grey coloured wagons, & were normally limited to 30mph.
FULLY FITTED FREIGHTS
"Fully Fitted" freight trains were ones made up COMPLETELY of wagons with vacuum brakes. So Bauxite coloured wagons, ones marked XP; Refrigerated (white) wagons; Banana vans (often yellow). Most types of tank type wagons, including Cement, (but NOT MILK wagons) as most of these carried hazardous loads. Such "fully fitted" freights were limited to a maximum 60mph.
MILK TANK CARS
These vehicles were often 6 wheeled & Glass lined, and therefore UNSUITABLE to run in freight trains. As a result they were actually part of the passenger fleet, like Horse Boxes & Prize Cattle Vans. They were of course vacuum braked, and could & were often added to secondary passenger trains. They were also often found in complete Milk Trains formed of both Tank cars, Milk Vans & even special flat wagons carrying road Milk lorry trailers. Such special Milk Trains often ran in Express passenger train timings. Many heading in the early mornings to the capital, & beginning their empty return journeys in the afternoon. Both Hornby & Dapol make such models. Hornby also make the "BY" 4 wheel passenger brake van normally used in Southern Region milk trains.
WAGONS MARKED "XP"
Wagons marked "XP" (meaning Express Passenger) also meant these types could be included between the locomotive & carriages in passenger trains, usually to a maximum of three such wagons. But this also put a speed limit on such a train at 60mph. (All passenger vehicles were of course fitted with vacuum brakes by the time BR began in 1948.)
BRAKE VANS
Obviously a Brake van was required as the last vehicle of all types of freight trains in BR steam days. On a "part fitted" or "unfitted" freight the brake van at the rear could be a "grey" painted one with only a handbrake ! On Fully fitted freights a Bauxite coloured brake van was obviously required, as it had a brake valve to apply the trains vacuum brake in an emergency.
NOTE: Passenger trains were also required to have the last vehicle in the train fitted with a guards compartment with a handbrake & brake valve to control the vacuum brake. Such as a BSK; BFK; BSO; BFO; BCK; PB; SOBS or BG. If for some strange reason the last vehicle did not contain a brake compartment. The passengers were not allowed to ride in any such vehicle, and any "Gangway" connections to such vehicle(s) had to be locked.
STOP TO PIN DOWN BRAKES !
Part fitted & Unfitted freight trains, were often required at the top of steep hills to stop. While the Guard walked along "pining down brakes". Which meant he put the handbrakes ON, on a number of the unfitted wagons. To increase the brakeforce available, to prevent "runaways" (trains out of control). At the bottom of the hill, the train had to stop again for the Guard to go along and release those handbrakes he had applied. Because this took time, many dangerous hills like the "Lickey incline" near Birmingham, had freight loops at the top & bottom of the hill. So the freight trains could be "looped" while the Guard did his job, and so avoid holding up other traffic !
REAL LIFE WAGON COUPLING TYPES
Unfitted wagons normally had the simple "three link" (chain type coupling). While Fitted wagons often had "Instanter" couplings, where the centre link was a triangular shaped casting, with a "T" shaped hole. This "T" shape hole allowed for a short or long setting. Wagons marked "XP" had to have the "screw link" type coupling, where the centre link had a screw thread with a "wind up" handle, to allow couplings to be tightened up. The Screw link was also used on virtually all LMS & GWR coaches, but NOT mainline LNER or SR types. Which had begun using the Automatic Buckeye couplings from around 1923-25. Locomotives normally used the "Screw link" type, although purely freight locos & Shunting locos often only had three link couplings. LNER steam locos with Gangway tenders (Some class A1; A3 & A4 locos), had to be fitted with the Buckeye Auto coupling. Because these tenders had the Pullman type gangway connection with its sprung rubbing bar & retractable buffers.
For the Record: As a real life Railway Mechanical Engineer who has worked for BR and a number of railways around the World, I'm well versed in many railway operational practices !!!
Very interesting. Thanks for the detailed and well thought out reply.
good vid thanks lee
Glad you enjoyed it, Lee. Thanks for watching !
Lovely details~ Best Wishes~ Elizabeth @Tauraco00🎉
Thanks Elizabeth!