Another thing that was not said in the video is to clock your CV joints. It will help when the axles are at extreme angles. Thanks to everyone who brought this to my attention in the comments.
OK, So far so good this video. You can always spent more money (and mass) on a car, that is no problem. Porsche 944 joints, that sound great. (great price too?) The standard joints under a T3-Synchro allow also more angular motion....probably the same joint you bought. And now the cheap method. Remind that the axle torque works in one direction for 99% of the time. This means that the dent (=wear) in the race for the balls is located on one side of that race. The other side is virgin. Remove the both the axles, donot remove the 4 joints. Shift the rubberboot a little to the middle. Degrease and clean thoroughly (white spirit in a bucket). Apply new joint grease, the thick black sludge. Replace the rubber boots at original location. (That is important , endurance drops rapidly if not done.) Now mount the left axle on the right side and the right axle on the left side. Torque the bolts. Check, recheck again. especially the outers. (hard to reach). The balls in the races of the CV joints are now running on nearly new race surface, were only used in reverse. Normally the CV endurance is 200 Kkm, so you have 400 kKm in one set of CVs ...costs: 2 liter white sprit, 1 pot CV-grease. Wash your hands 10 times to get the black grease out of your fingerprints and pores... ...and take your boy or girl-friend to an expensive restaurant with the money spared. Groeten, Onkel Louis (408.000 km with the CU engine)
I enjoy watching your videos too! Big props to you Pops for always helping you out especially with the hard stuff.your lucky to have such help. I liked his hammer technique while torquing the bolts down tight,pretty smart!
OldVolks 67 Thank you!!! Yeah, he’s a huge help. Haha, yeah. We were using the in and out of gear method, then he was like “just shove the hammer under the tire.” I think even he was surprised it worked so well. For sure a time saver.
Looks great, good advice on the cupped part. I thought that spring washer is there for a reason. Its to seat the CV on the splined shaft, and not let it wobble or chatter. I am curious why (specific technical reason) you chose to omit it, let alone with such disdain. I found it easy to install. I put the first clip on, the washer on, then the cv, and then the clip, and use a socket to push down the final Circlip washer, and give it a good smack with the rubber mallet.. it went in fairly easy. It was snug, not tight. Without the clip, I'd imagine it could be less secure. and clocking joints is also a great idea..I'm lifted. damn.. thanks for the vid!
Thanks for watching! I didn't put the spring washers on the axles because the new axle shafts that I bought didn't have a hip for them to seat against. They would have just been floating around the boot behind the CV joint. I like the original axle shaft design better than the ones I ended up using because I agree that the joints seat better on the shafts with that washer in place.
I just started doing an axle swap on my 81 Westy and 82 Tintop. Thanks for your video! Going through the project on my channel now, along with other projects of course.
Thanks!!! I usually remember to put the seatbelt on, but I guess I forgot. Definitely need to be more consistent with that though, especially here in Miami where the drivers are crazy.
Awesome man! I just got a set of 944 joints for my 1.8t swapped westy. Love watching your vanagon progress! I noticed in one of your videos your fuel filter zip tied up. I think I have a factory mount for the filter I could send you if u want I manage to dig it up.
Thank you!!! Glad you’re enjoying the videos! Slowly but surely the van will be ready for some more serious traveling. That would be awesome, but I’m not too sure I actually have the holes for the fuel filter mount. My engine was originally a 1.9L and I did the swap over to a 2.1L style fuel filter.
@@gottasplit5707 the 2 I just checked had them. Should just be 2 rectangle slots right behind where the pump mounts. I'll look around for the spare mount I have laying around see if I can come across it in my stash.
@@jeffkovacs2823 Oh man, that would be nice to have on there. If you’re sure you’re not going to use it and happen to come across it I’ll definitely use it. If you don’t find it though, no worries. Zip ties are holding up strong.
@@gottasplit5707 I'll look for it tonight. I'm not sure if I have it at home in my stuff or in my shop where I keep my bus and vanagon or if it's at work but I know I have a spare somewhere. If it's at work I probably wont be stopping there until i go back on monday. If i find it it's yours man. We will just have to exchange info somehow so i can ship it out without putting ur info up in the comments section! Lol
I bought all the parts from Burley Motorsports. They are 944 LOBRO joints and JXO axles. The kit on their website is $240, but looks like it is currently out of stock. Here's the link: burleymotorsports.net/product/lobro-944-cvs-and-axle-kit-for-2wd-and-4wd/
Ok sooo just a small thing to add. Go westy recommend leaving the c clip (or the little circle clips) closest to the wheel off so the axel can float back and forth a little supposed make them last longer !
The C clip that attaches the axle shaft to the CV? That seems a little Scary to leave off. If You're talking about the clamps that secure the rubber boots to the shaft then I have heard that doing that keeps them from ripping. To make sure grease doesn't fling out everywhere you can lightly secure zip ties instead of the metal clamps, which has worked well for me.
I've heard that it is only necessary to clock them when they are angled to their limits. I didn't even know about clocking when I did the install, as I said in the video, I am not a mechanic, but when I take them off for the inevitable boot change and clean, I'll be sure to clock them just incase.
Just one thing I would add... clocking your CV joints. Especially if you intend to do the lift you mentioned. Clocking the CV joints will (or should) give you an additional 3 to 5 degrees of travel. Just sayin....
At the time I put these in, I didn't even know about doing that. If I ever have to take them apart again, hopefully not, I will definitely make a point to do this.
I didn't 'clock' mine, and unfortunately they didn't last. I think it's because the original 14" vanagon wheels/tires aren't as steep an angle as the 16" and this can cause more stresses on the joints. Clocking is important with the larger wheels!
Appreciate the video - ordered mine today! I have some clicking and clacking and also that woob woob thing with at lower speeds...so maybe this will clear it all up! Just subbed to the channel! cheers.
So from your video your saying that clunking when putting into reverse or first can be from having worn out cv axles as the gears are a little space out? I have that clunking and it made think the transmission was the issue
@@gottasplit5707 and your speaking on the rear CV’s, as those are connected to the gearbox/trans, and as the cv’s are old they have play, and that play causes thumping from 1’s and reverse gear. Sound right? I think that may be my issue with my van, as mine thumps into reverse and first on occasion, and the transmission seems to check out everywhere else
burleymotorsports.net Not sure on the exact model number. when I bought these, the axles and CV joints came as a kit. They are LOBRO 944 CV joints, and JXO axle shafts.
Great timing on the video as I'm about to do the same to my rig. Unfortunately I put the GoWesty 1.5 lift springs on first then found out that I need to upgrade the CV's for the extra articulation. Did lots of research on the 944 CV's and you pretty much nailed everything in your video. There are some really good videos on disassembling and reassembling the CV's in case they come assembled incorrect as one of yours did. The one thing I found interesting is how to clock them when placing them on the axle to give an extra 3-4 degrees of articulation. Here is a link for anyone that wants to see how to do it. th-cam.com/video/unBUhRf8MB0/w-d-xo.html . Great Vid's, keep them up!
Thanks! A buddy on instagram did the same thing and bought the springs first. He ended up chewing up his original CVs and told me to do these before the springs. I definitely wouldn’t have known to get these done before. Also, here’s another link to the video I used to do mine. super helpful: th-cam.com/video/KOma2BMhrzc/w-d-xo.html That is part two of the videos he posted. part one is about taking them apart.
Gowesty has been copying successful products and selling them cheaper than other companies, one clear example is their center console which is a knock off from vanagon life. I have a VL center console and it is so well made but it was an expensive piece. The same is true with the axles and CV joints, gowesty recently launched a version of the 944 burley CV joints and they are cheaper, have you heard anything about them? 1990 vanagon 2wd 2" lift 1.8t conversion.
Another thing that was not said in the video is to clock your CV joints. It will help when the axles are at extreme angles. Thanks to everyone who brought this to my attention in the comments.
OK, So far so good this video.
You can always spent more money (and mass) on a car, that is no problem.
Porsche 944 joints, that sound great. (great price too?)
The standard joints under a T3-Synchro allow also more angular motion....probably the same joint you bought.
And now the cheap method. Remind that the axle torque works in one direction for 99% of the time. This means that the dent (=wear) in the race for the balls is located on one side of that race. The other side is virgin.
Remove the both the axles, donot remove the 4 joints. Shift the rubberboot a little to the middle.
Degrease and clean thoroughly (white spirit in a bucket). Apply new joint grease, the thick black sludge. Replace the rubber boots at original location. (That is important , endurance drops rapidly if not done.)
Now mount the left axle on the right side and the right axle on the left side. Torque the bolts. Check, recheck again. especially the outers. (hard to reach).
The balls in the races of the CV joints are now running on nearly new race surface, were only used in reverse. Normally the CV endurance is 200 Kkm, so you have 400 kKm in one set of CVs ...costs: 2 liter white sprit, 1 pot CV-grease.
Wash your hands 10 times to get the black grease out of your fingerprints and pores... ...and take your boy or girl-friend to an expensive restaurant with the money spared.
Groeten, Onkel Louis (408.000 km with the CU engine)
I enjoy watching your videos too! Big props to you Pops for always helping you out especially with the hard stuff.your lucky to have such help. I liked his hammer technique while torquing the bolts down tight,pretty smart!
OldVolks 67 Thank you!!! Yeah, he’s a huge help. Haha, yeah. We were using the in and out of gear method, then he was like “just shove the hammer under the tire.” I think even he was surprised it worked so well. For sure a time saver.
Great job on the CV joints and the video! I just had mine swapped to 944 units, and did a 400 mile round trip with them this past weekend.
Thanks!!! That’s awesome, hopefully I’ll be putting mine to the test sometime soon.
good video, thanks for the upload. your dad failed to mention what a PITA it is mounting the new axles back onto the van once everything is done! :)
Facing forward, Inboard - outboard from the centerline (keel) for reference.
Looks great, good advice on the cupped part. I thought that spring washer is there for a reason. Its to seat the CV on the splined shaft, and not let it wobble or chatter. I am curious why (specific technical reason) you chose to omit it, let alone with such disdain. I found it easy to install. I put the first clip on, the washer on, then the cv, and then the clip, and use a socket to push down the final Circlip washer, and give it a good smack with the rubber mallet.. it went in fairly easy. It was snug, not tight. Without the clip, I'd imagine it could be less secure.
and clocking joints is also a great idea..I'm lifted. damn.. thanks for the vid!
Thanks for watching! I didn't put the spring washers on the axles because the new axle shafts that I bought didn't have a hip for them to seat against. They would have just been floating around the boot behind the CV joint. I like the original axle shaft design better than the ones I ended up using because I agree that the joints seat better on the shafts with that washer in place.
I just started doing an axle swap on my 81 Westy and 82 Tintop. Thanks for your video! Going through the project on my channel now, along with other projects of course.
Great vid on the CVs. Kind words....Need to wear that seat belt ALWAYS.
Thanks!!!
I usually remember to put the seatbelt on, but I guess I forgot. Definitely need to be more consistent with that though, especially here in Miami where the drivers are crazy.
Just got these in the mail today and am putting them on tomorrow! Thanks for the vid dude!
Michael Awesome! Good luck with the install and thanks for watching!
Rather than call it 'cupped', call it a chamfered edge😉
Great video! Thanks! I'm excited to do mine now!
Awesome man! I just got a set of 944 joints for my 1.8t swapped westy. Love watching your vanagon progress! I noticed in one of your videos your fuel filter zip tied up. I think I have a factory mount for the filter I could send you if u want I manage to dig it up.
Thank you!!! Glad you’re enjoying the videos! Slowly but surely the van will be ready for some more serious traveling.
That would be awesome, but I’m not too sure I actually have the holes for the fuel filter mount. My engine was originally a 1.9L and I did the swap over to a 2.1L style fuel filter.
@@gottasplit5707 lemme run outside and check a 1.9 vanagon see if they have the holes. Weve got a few laying around for parts.
@@gottasplit5707 the 2 I just checked had them. Should just be 2 rectangle slots right behind where the pump mounts. I'll look around for the spare mount I have laying around see if I can come across it in my stash.
@@jeffkovacs2823 Oh man, that would be nice to have on there. If you’re sure you’re not going to use it and happen to come across it I’ll definitely use it. If you don’t find it though, no worries. Zip ties are holding up strong.
@@gottasplit5707 I'll look for it tonight. I'm not sure if I have it at home in my stuff or in my shop where I keep my bus and vanagon or if it's at work but I know I have a spare somewhere. If it's at work I probably wont be stopping there until i go back on monday. If i find it it's yours man. We will just have to exchange info somehow so i can ship it out without putting ur info up in the comments section! Lol
So glad the noise is gone! Please share where you bought the CV joints, part numbers and cost...
I bought all the parts from Burley Motorsports. They are 944 LOBRO joints and JXO axles. The kit on their website is $240, but looks like it is currently out of stock. Here's the link: burleymotorsports.net/product/lobro-944-cvs-and-axle-kit-for-2wd-and-4wd/
@@gottasplit5707 Thanks for the info...
Ok sooo just a small thing to add. Go westy recommend leaving the c clip (or the little circle clips) closest to the wheel off so the axel can float back and forth a little supposed make them last longer !
The C clip that attaches the axle shaft to the CV? That seems a little Scary to leave off. If You're talking about the clamps that secure the rubber boots to the shaft then I have heard that doing that keeps them from ripping. To make sure grease doesn't fling out everywhere you can lightly secure zip ties instead of the metal clamps, which has worked well for me.
Yep 2 clips on the cv on engine side just one clip on the wheel side .
not a how to video, more like I feel your pain -- LOL ..... You Dad's comment about old grease, dang, I should at least repack mine...thanks
I'm a year late but you didn't mention about clocking the CV to the opposite cv.. ..it's very important to do so..
I've heard that it is only necessary to clock them when they are angled to their limits. I didn't even know about clocking when I did the install, as I said in the video, I am not a mechanic, but when I take them off for the inevitable boot change and clean, I'll be sure to clock them just incase.
Just one thing I would add... clocking your CV joints. Especially if you intend to do the lift you mentioned. Clocking the CV joints will (or should) give you an additional 3 to 5 degrees of travel. Just sayin....
At the time I put these in, I didn't even know about doing that. If I ever have to take them apart again, hopefully not, I will definitely make a point to do this.
I didn't 'clock' mine, and unfortunately they didn't last. I think it's because the original 14" vanagon wheels/tires aren't as steep an angle as the 16" and this can cause more stresses on the joints. Clocking is important with the larger wheels!
hi, nice work, what are those tires?🙂
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@@gottasplit5707 thanks they look very nice on those rims and the vw bus, i have also the same bus and rims, so i will go for that tire you have😀
Nice work! Good improv on the workspace with the clamps :thumbsup:
Haha, Thanks! Have to use what you've got some times.
Appreciate the video - ordered mine today! I have some clicking and clacking and also that woob woob thing with at lower speeds...so maybe this will clear it all up! Just subbed to the channel! cheers.
So from your video your saying that clunking when putting into reverse or first can be from having worn out cv axles as the gears are a little space out? I have that clunking and it made think the transmission was the issue
It could be the issue. That was what was happening with mine and swapping the CV's worked.
@@gottasplit5707 and your speaking on the rear CV’s, as those are connected to the gearbox/trans, and as the cv’s are old they have play, and that play causes thumping from 1’s and reverse gear. Sound right? I think that may be my issue with my van, as mine thumps into reverse and first on occasion, and the transmission seems to check out everywhere else
One quick question - do splines on 944 joints match the original axles or a person must use JXO axles? Thanks!
I think you could use the old axles, but id email the company just to be sure.
Great job brotha!! 🤙
LoveLiftAdventure Thank you!!! 😄✌️
Can you elaborate on the "wooob wooob wooob" you had? I have one in the rear that I can hear between 25 and 35mph. Thinking maybe CV's.
That could definitely be the CVs or maybe a bearing. The problem on mine would only happen at low speeds also, and would make the car kind of bounce.
Hello, do you have part nr for the CV joints or link to webshop?
no clacking, no clicking, no seat belt
I bought the exact same CV joint, and it was also wrongly put together.
Must be a common problem with them.
what wheels are those?
stock 14s
Perfect video to watch as I eat my pub sub, nice!!🎉
Haha, the perfect sandwich for any occasion.
Why arent you wearing seatbelt?
Because I like to live dangerously
Found you via Rob Riccardo! If you make it to Oregon. Let's collaborate.
Haha, awesome! Amazing how good music brings people together. If I'm ever up that way, I'll give you a shout.
@@gottasplit5707 whoop whoop!
Do you have the model numbers and place of buisness you ordered your parts from?
burleymotorsports.net
Not sure on the exact model number. when I bought these, the axles and CV joints came as a kit. They are LOBRO 944 CV joints, and JXO axle shafts.
One other question. Did you have to have your cv joints pressed on? If so, did you do it?
No, everything went together without the use of any presses.
crazy!
Great timing on the video as I'm about to do the same to my rig. Unfortunately I put the GoWesty 1.5 lift springs on first then found out that I need to upgrade the CV's for the extra articulation. Did lots of research on the 944 CV's and you pretty much nailed everything in your video. There are some really good videos on disassembling and reassembling the CV's in case they come assembled incorrect as one of yours did. The one thing I found interesting is how to clock them when placing them on the axle to give an extra 3-4 degrees of articulation. Here is a link for anyone that wants to see how to do it. th-cam.com/video/unBUhRf8MB0/w-d-xo.html . Great Vid's, keep them up!
Thanks! A buddy on instagram did the same thing and bought the springs first. He ended up chewing up his original CVs and told me to do these before the springs. I definitely wouldn’t have known to get these done before. Also, here’s another link to the video I used to do mine. super helpful: th-cam.com/video/KOma2BMhrzc/w-d-xo.html
That is part two of the videos he posted. part one is about taking them apart.
Gowesty has been copying successful products and selling them cheaper than other companies, one clear example is their center console which is a knock off from vanagon life. I have a VL center console and it is so well made but it was an expensive piece. The same is true with the axles and CV joints, gowesty recently launched a version of the 944 burley CV joints and they are cheaper, have you heard anything about them?
1990 vanagon 2wd 2" lift 1.8t conversion.
Haven't heard anything about those yet. If they use Lobro joints, I'm sure they are pretty good. GW makes some great products.
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