Sorry, you are creating news that isn't there. Like you said it probably didn't filter down to social media team like it should. Also, the article mentioned when they learned about it being pulled but was it verified the same day? Maybe the verification took awhile. Like you said anyway they have sold most of their product already so it would only benefit the secondary market at the most. Maybe if the LA fires didn't interfere with things maybe we would have known a couple weeks earlier. IMO Topps doesn't owe an explanation. This is the risk we take buying cards. You have better things to report on.
I can’t believe I’m saying this to a cowboy fan, Ha Ha I couldn’t agree with you more I stated in an earlier video that he did Topps sold out of the product so what does it matter? They can’t go up on the price or neither can Nike when they sell a Jordan Travis Scott for 225 and the resale is 1000$ + the product has been sold out for quite some time so once they sold out, Topps owes us absolutely nothing. They need to get better customer service and someone to answer the phone, for once I clicked off the video halfway through. I’ve heard enough about this congratulate the kid I bought a few boxes on release day. I didn’t hit it, but I didn’t buy the product to hit the Paul Skeens anyway if I hit great but I didn’t don’t hate congratulate ,, Just collect what you enjoy, and you’ll never go wrong in this hobby regardless of what the price is! Take care
They still benefit greatly from the hype around it and from breakers selling hand over fist on Fanatics Live. I just think as these debut patches become a bigger deal they should disclose as soon as they are redeemed.
@@Yankees4TheWin Why was Topps posting about it if they don't benefit. They have paid employees making social posts abouts card being pulled because they know there is value in publicity, so it is nonsense to claim they don't benefit. More important perhaps though is that there is a precedent for publishing redemtions. When Topps issued the bounties on the duplicate Bowman 1/1s they had a website up withing days listing which bounties had been claimed. So they certainly can do something IF they want to. That said, I think there is a case to be made that a steady drumbeat of x is pulled and y is still available is probably good easy content for them to stay in front of folks and keep hype high. As NEO says we are often just on to the next thing, but if they were regularly saying what is out there it could keep old product in the news.
Yes, Topps benefits from the coverage. I never said they didn't. It's smart of Topps to milk this moment for everything they can get out of it. There is nothing wrong with that. That's a totally different issue. My comment was purely based on the "redemption date" being disclosed in a certain way. We are refusing to be grown ups about this and instead contribute to the angst people have about the hobby. I'm not against Topps disclosing a redemption date but saying that they owe customers this information is non-sense.
When fanatics acquired topps I believe people misinterpreted when they said they were going to 10X the hobby. They weren’t talking about people coming in. They were talking about their profit.
Topps knew what they were doing. The social media stuff was one big push to get people to spend again because they knew they had to come out with the info.
Just like the NFL is now the new WWE (last night Chiefs game ended that discussion), Topps & Fanatics are in "bed" together to squeeze as much money out of the market as humanly possible (Smart business decision, lousy on the PR side) because eventually people, when they realize they are being screwed sideways with no lube by Topps/Fanatics, will not believe what is being reported and that is when people will start pulling their dollars. BUT Topps/Fanatics also knows that Panini is about to loose all the meaningful licenses and you have no options to purchase licensed product. AND as long as the money continues to flow (i.e. Breakers, whatnot, etc) Topps/Fanatics will do NOTHING except what they are doing
It seems odd that it would be a California kid where the fires are. Neighborhoods that you can't go into anymore. People aren't allowed back in the homes even if it didn't burn because it's too toxic now. So the whole story just becomes more BS the more you look at it. In the whole country lmao. What are the odds, a kid with adult money from a place that burned
When is a redemption officially redeemed? When it is entered into the system and verified, or when it is delivered? I think it is when it is delivered and due to the fires that took a while to happen. The beginning of the article states the family has been diligent on keeping their identity secret. Topps was clearly in contact with them, maybe it was their directive to not announce it had been pulled until after their life was somewhat back to normal and not having to worry about such an expensive item while evacuating their home twice.
Topps worded that post waaaay to specificly. They knew what they were doing. Why say "publicly surfaced". That means all the debut cards could be redeemed. Some were just kept private. An easy solution would be to put up a webpage anyone can check that shows a little check box next to all the debut cards. If it was redeemed it gets a check. That's the very minimum Topps could do. ✅
Does the lottery announce when someone hits the biggest prize on a scratch ticket? Yet people buy them up in hopes of hitting it big. No different here. Would it be great from the collector/buyer standpoint if Topps announced when it was redeemed. Yes. Are they obligated to? I don’t believe so.
The things people choose to focus on is laughable sometimes. There are things in the real world worse than when fanatics (who has no responsibility to do so) tells the world a card has been redeemed, it's the owner of the card that gets to make the determination of when and if it ever goes public. This is Bantha fodder.
It’s seems that Topps is sending their fan boys to fill chats discussing these issues. The fan boys defending should tell the rational people something. So many people are dependent on Topps for a living. Fanatics has an army to come and defend them. And they have defended Topps in each of your videos. This is just a small sample of the a larger picture and I wouldn’t give Topps and Fanatics the benefit of the doubt. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
I agree with you. Maybe Topps was keeping the Skenes chase hype going as long as possible. Then next year they can charge more for 2025 Chome update or pump up production.
Neo slurping Topps official narrative... (Conspiracy theorist shaming) "Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for new product" - NEO
Using "not surfaced" versus "not pulled/redeemed" is irrelevant, if its misleading to the consumer then companies can't use the verbiage (or hide something in fine print). If someone who lived in a state with strict gambling laws filed a lawsuit, it might be interesting.
You can look on lottery websites and see which scratch tickets have been hit. Obviously the biggest concern is Fanatics earning the commission on the breaks with insider information. Wasn't there a MJ redemption set that not all of the cards were claimed. Could really go down a rabbit hole and if they didn't grade the skenes would Topps have even reported it.
I get Topps not wanting to announce the card was pulled until the owner took possession of it, especially with the wildfire aspect and the kid and his family evacuating twice bc they wanted to trickle out all this news around the same time. Instead of them announcing it on January 4th then 20 days later showing the PSA 10 photos and the kids story. I am 100% certain the breakers on Fanatics Live didn’t know the card wasn’t pulled. I get that Topps does get a cut off those breaks though. I don’t think there was any story about this card being pulled that people wouldn’t be up in arms about it.
If they profited off false statements via higher prices on fanatics live, that’s at best unethical, bordering on consumer fraud. Your solution of requiring all to be redemptions with a website showing pulls is a great idea. It should be the case for all superfractor autos at this point too. Lotteries post how many prizes have yet to be pulled. It’s a lottery with their marketing of 1/1 patches.
I don’t think Topps will ever do the complete transparency thing, what happens when one of the D-bag breakers pulls the product hit on release day before Topps sells out of the product? I don’t think Topps would be too thrilled having to announce that and watch sales dwindle afterward. OR, what they will start doing is holding some of the product hits back a bit and release them into products toward the end of the run of that product so they do not get pulled on or around release day…just my 2 cents on the topic…
Just be happy that we were publicly informed. Topps and Fanatics aren't obligated to tell the public anything regardless of the hype and marketing. Everything in the hobby is a lottery, NOT just Topps Chrome update.
All the “Tin Foil Hat” people were spending big bucks from the 4th to the 20th. And even if it was for marketing, marketing is about making money. It was a scumbag move. And I didn’t spend a dime on Topps Chrome.
I don’t see many people asking the right questions. Could Fanatics release the name of the prize winner(s) without permission? (Privacy agreements) Is there some legal obligation on Fanatics part to announce a prize has been redeemed? Are people under some illusion that there is much more than self regulation in this space, compared to regulations in State lotteries and casinos?
NEO, reach out to your LCS contacts for the real deal...ask them when Topps offered the "2nd wave" of product of 2024 Chrome Update. That could be very interesting, and if you all dont know about the 2nd wave offerings, NEO can fill you in.
Was going to comment on your last video about the Skenes card, but just watched this one and decided to throw my two cents here. I couldn't agree more on the lack of transparency by Fanatics/Topps. It just looks bad. I have no problem with family keeping the son out of the limelight, but the journal letter is over the top for me. Sorry (and you know I have kids around the same age). It almost looks the only reason Fanatics did the post was a marketing ploy since they are selling the card and also did not have a choice since it was graded by PSA. Until next time...
Is this a "don't hate the player, hate the game" scenario? They're baseball cards. It's not gambling. It isn't regulated. No matter how much some people treat the modern card hobby like a Vegas casino...these are just baseball cards. Don't buy a box with hopes of a million dollar payday. Don't get pissed when a card company isn't going out of its way to align their business practices to those of a regulated industry.
They were wrong in how they handled it. Despite you saying they wouldn't risk their business over creating a false story about "the kid" and whether they actually pulled it or not, I believe they would do it, because they think they are immune to scrutiny, because they have all of the licenses. They are pushing gambling to increase sales and profits, so why not gamble it all, if you feel like you hold all of the cards and can't lose? Just my 2 cents.
The hobby: We hate redemptions NEO: Make more redemptions Kudos to the parents for doing the right thing and keeping these idiots on the internet away from their 11 year old kid.
I’m thinking it could be as easy as running an inventory report, listing the cards still in inventory, aka not yet redeemed. Any inventory management system should have that available to run very easily.
I dont even know who skenes is…. since I’m an average person in the USA i’m thinking most also dont know…. this card to MOST people means nothing… to people in the hobby maybe its a big name.. but long term is the thing… scenes. schmes… skims…. I’m thinking the average persone knows nothing about this name… I’’m in the hobby and heard the name 2 times..
Then the other issue is nobody knew about it and they made sure it got on Fanatics Collect to be sold so they’re going to make even more commission on that when golden didn’t even know, the card was even pulled. He had no opportunity to talk to him.
Sorry, you are creating news that isn't there. Like you said it probably didn't filter down to social media team like it should. Also, the article mentioned when they learned about it being pulled but was it verified the same day? Maybe the verification took awhile. Like you said anyway they have sold most of their product already so it would only benefit the secondary market at the most. Maybe if the LA fires didn't interfere with things maybe we would have known a couple weeks earlier. IMO Topps doesn't owe an explanation. This is the risk we take buying cards. You have better things to report on.
I can’t believe I’m saying this to a cowboy fan, Ha Ha I couldn’t agree with you more I stated in an earlier video that he did Topps sold out of the product so what does it matter? They can’t go up on the price or neither can Nike when they sell a Jordan Travis Scott for 225 and the resale is 1000$ + the product has been sold out for quite some time so once they sold out, Topps owes us absolutely nothing. They need to get better customer service and someone to answer the phone, for once I clicked off the video halfway through. I’ve heard enough about this congratulate the kid I bought a few boxes on release day. I didn’t hit it, but I didn’t buy the product to hit the Paul Skeens anyway if I hit great but I didn’t don’t hate congratulate ,, Just collect what you enjoy, and you’ll never go wrong in this hobby regardless of what the price is! Take care
They still benefit greatly from the hype around it and from breakers selling hand over fist on Fanatics Live. I just think as these debut patches become a bigger deal they should disclose as soon as they are redeemed.
@@Yankees4TheWin Why was Topps posting about it if they don't benefit. They have paid employees making social posts abouts card being pulled because they know there is value in publicity, so it is nonsense to claim they don't benefit. More important perhaps though is that there is a precedent for publishing redemtions. When Topps issued the bounties on the duplicate Bowman 1/1s they had a website up withing days listing which bounties had been claimed. So they certainly can do something IF they want to. That said, I think there is a case to be made that a steady drumbeat of x is pulled and y is still available is probably good easy content for them to stay in front of folks and keep hype high. As NEO says we are often just on to the next thing, but if they were regularly saying what is out there it could keep old product in the news.
Yes, Topps benefits from the coverage. I never said they didn't. It's smart of Topps to milk this moment for everything they can get out of it. There is nothing wrong with that. That's a totally different issue. My comment was purely based on the "redemption date" being disclosed in a certain way. We are refusing to be grown ups about this and instead contribute to the angst people have about the hobby. I'm not against Topps disclosing a redemption date but saying that they owe customers this information is non-sense.
@@CowboysFanTradingCards which dept do you work in at Fanatics?
There was no kid. TOPPS already had the story line before the card even was made.
When fanatics acquired topps I believe people misinterpreted when they said they were going to 10X the hobby. They weren’t talking about people coming in. They were talking about their profit.
They clearly sat on the information.
Topps knew what they were doing. The social media stuff was one big push to get people to spend again because they knew they had to come out with the info.
I spent $2m in the last 2 weeks since that social media post by Topps chasing that card. I’m getting my lawyers ready.
Bro...what are you on about? 😅😅
Just like the NFL is now the new WWE (last night Chiefs game ended that discussion), Topps & Fanatics are in "bed" together to squeeze as much money out of the market as humanly possible (Smart business decision, lousy on the PR side) because eventually people, when they realize they are being screwed sideways with no lube by Topps/Fanatics, will not believe what is being reported and that is when people will start pulling their dollars. BUT Topps/Fanatics also knows that Panini is about to loose all the meaningful licenses and you have no options to purchase licensed product. AND as long as the money continues to flow (i.e. Breakers, whatnot, etc) Topps/Fanatics will do NOTHING except what they are doing
It seems odd that it would be a California kid where the fires are. Neighborhoods that you can't go into anymore. People aren't allowed back in the homes even if it didn't burn because it's too toxic now. So the whole story just becomes more BS the more you look at it. In the whole country lmao. What are the odds, a kid with adult money from a place that burned
When is a redemption officially redeemed? When it is entered into the system and verified, or when it is delivered? I think it is when it is delivered and due to the fires that took a while to happen. The beginning of the article states the family has been diligent on keeping their identity secret. Topps was clearly in contact with them, maybe it was their directive to not announce it had been pulled until after their life was somewhat back to normal and not having to worry about such an expensive item while evacuating their home twice.
Topps worded that post waaaay to specificly. They knew what they were doing. Why say "publicly surfaced". That means all the debut cards could be redeemed. Some were just kept private.
An easy solution would be to put up a webpage anyone can check that shows a little check box next to all the debut cards. If it was redeemed it gets a check. That's the very minimum Topps could do. ✅
Does the lottery announce when someone hits the biggest prize on a scratch ticket? Yet people buy them up in hopes of hitting it big. No different here. Would it be great from the collector/buyer standpoint if Topps announced when it was redeemed. Yes. Are they obligated to? I don’t believe so.
The things people choose to focus on is laughable sometimes. There are things in the real world worse than when fanatics (who has no responsibility to do so) tells the world a card has been redeemed, it's the owner of the card that gets to make the determination of when and if it ever goes public. This is Bantha fodder.
It’s seems that Topps is sending their fan boys to fill chats discussing these issues. The fan boys defending should tell the rational people something. So many people are dependent on Topps for a living. Fanatics has an army to come and defend them. And they have defended Topps in each of your videos. This is just a small sample of the a larger picture and I wouldn’t give Topps and Fanatics the benefit of the doubt. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
I agree with you. Maybe Topps was keeping the Skenes chase hype going as long as possible. Then next year they can charge more for 2025 Chome update or pump up production.
Neo slurping Topps official narrative... (Conspiracy theorist shaming) "Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for new product" - NEO
Ruben and topps was lying to get more money 💰 🤑 and used you as sucker's.
Money can't save he's life Luigi made a statement by putting that CEO 6 ft under
“Are you accepting the Pirates offer if you pull this card” is what they said on Instagram on January 8.
Welcome to the Red Kingdom!!! Tech9
They do this on whatnot a lot. Dont disclose important info so people keep spending
Using "not surfaced" versus "not pulled/redeemed" is irrelevant, if its misleading to the consumer then companies can't use the verbiage (or hide something in fine print). If someone who lived in a state with strict gambling laws filed a lawsuit, it might be interesting.
You can look on lottery websites and see which scratch tickets have been hit. Obviously the biggest concern is Fanatics earning the commission on the breaks with insider information. Wasn't there a MJ redemption set that not all of the cards were claimed. Could really go down a rabbit hole and if they didn't grade the skenes would Topps have even reported it.
Like the powerball and mega millions they know exactly when and where it is!
Yeah, you are right. It feels they did the community dirty on this.
I get Topps not wanting to announce the card was pulled until the owner took possession of it, especially with the wildfire aspect and the kid and his family evacuating twice bc they wanted to trickle out all this news around the same time. Instead of them announcing it on January 4th then 20 days later showing the PSA 10 photos and the kids story.
I am 100% certain the breakers on Fanatics Live didn’t know the card wasn’t pulled. I get that Topps does get a cut off those breaks though.
I don’t think there was any story about this card being pulled that people wouldn’t be up in arms about it.
1000000% on the up in arms part.
Nothing about this should be surprising to anyone. Topps is going to Topps.
If they profited off false statements via higher prices on fanatics live, that’s at best unethical, bordering on consumer fraud. Your solution of requiring all to be redemptions with a website showing pulls is a great idea. It should be the case for all superfractor autos at this point too. Lotteries post how many prizes have yet to be pulled. It’s a lottery with their marketing of 1/1 patches.
I don’t think Topps will ever do the complete transparency thing, what happens when one of the D-bag breakers pulls the product hit on release day before Topps sells out of the product? I don’t think Topps would be too thrilled having to announce that and watch sales dwindle afterward. OR, what they will start doing is holding some of the product hits back a bit and release them into products toward the end of the run of that product so they do not get pulled on or around release day…just my 2 cents on the topic…
I’m not buying a single sku from this monopoly. SMH the biggest scalpers in the hobby. The manufacturers.
Just be happy that we were publicly informed. Topps and Fanatics aren't obligated to tell the public anything regardless of the hype and marketing.
Everything in the hobby is a lottery, NOT just Topps Chrome update.
As a company they had to verify the authenticity of the claim before essentially crashing the tc update market
All the “Tin Foil Hat” people were spending big bucks from the 4th to the 20th. And even if it was for marketing, marketing is about making money. It was a scumbag move. And I didn’t spend a dime on Topps Chrome.
I don’t see many people asking the right questions. Could Fanatics release the name of the prize winner(s) without permission? (Privacy agreements)
Is there some legal obligation on Fanatics part to announce a prize has been redeemed? Are people under some illusion that there is much more than self regulation in this space, compared to regulations in State lotteries and casinos?
It's better to sell product and make more profit if you give people false hope the card is still available.
Card collecting is really toxic, sports and pokemon etc.
NEO, reach out to your LCS contacts for the real deal...ask them when Topps offered the "2nd wave" of product of 2024 Chrome Update. That could be very interesting, and if you all dont know about the 2nd wave offerings, NEO can fill you in.
Was going to comment on your last video about the Skenes card, but just watched this one and decided to throw my two cents here. I couldn't agree more on the lack of transparency by Fanatics/Topps. It just looks bad. I have no problem with family keeping the son out of the limelight, but the journal letter is over the top for me. Sorry (and you know I have kids around the same age). It almost looks the only reason Fanatics did the post was a marketing ploy since they are selling the card and also did not have a choice since it was graded by PSA. Until next time...
The Skenes is not the only card in the set, people wer3 chasing all sort of stuff, I wasn’t chasing anything I just wanted best cards I could get
leave it up to whoever pulled the redemption card if they want the public to know they have last say
It is Shady and they should be sued for having ppl spend millions on Topps Chrome after the 3rd chasing that 1 of 1
Is this a "don't hate the player, hate the game" scenario? They're baseball cards. It's not gambling. It isn't regulated. No matter how much some people treat the modern card hobby like a Vegas casino...these are just baseball cards. Don't buy a box with hopes of a million dollar payday. Don't get pissed when a card company isn't going out of its way to align their business practices to those of a regulated industry.
They were wrong in how they handled it. Despite you saying they wouldn't risk their business over creating a false story about "the kid" and whether they actually pulled it or not, I believe they would do it, because they think they are immune to scrutiny, because they have all of the licenses. They are pushing gambling to increase sales and profits, so why not gamble it all, if you feel like you hold all of the cards and can't lose? Just my 2 cents.
Why are we shocked? Fanatics is beyond shady.
I collect vintage so sitting back laughing at the sheep chasing a card they have literally almost no chance of getting. Cry harder!
Yeah every product gonna be 88% more expensive too
2:24 oh come on….
Hopefully there house didn't burn. Serious stuff, and the journal survived as well. Less is more in this case. Say less and this all goes away.
So the tin foil hat is back on??
Sus......
The hobby: We hate redemptions
NEO: Make more redemptions
Kudos to the parents for doing the right thing and keeping these idiots on the internet away from their 11 year old kid.
Most these are redemptions anyway
@anyone who is going to chase these needles in haystacks deserves what they get
Its always about the money neo…
Everyone made money so that is good
Awesome
I’m not buying any of it, especially marked up after the Chase card has been pulled.
Who’s wearing a tinfoil hat now?
Seems like a ton of work if Topps has to make list about which cards are redeemed and not redeemed. I would be surprised if they ever do that
If its just for debut patches it's not a ton of work at all.
If there is a public bounty for a huge hit, then yes, they should publicly say when that has been pulled imo.
I’m thinking it could be as easy as running an inventory report, listing the cards still in inventory, aka not yet redeemed. Any inventory management system should have that available to run very easily.
@@Hoosierdaddyjones812 but Topps isn’t the one putting out the bounties.
@ryanra44 sure they aren't
It would be ok if both the Chiefs and Eagles lost.
I dont even know who skenes is…. since I’m an average person in the USA i’m thinking most also dont know…. this card to MOST people means nothing… to people in the hobby maybe its a big name.. but long term is the thing… scenes. schmes… skims…. I’m thinking the average persone knows nothing about this name… I’’m in the hobby and heard the name 2 times..
You 101% know who Skenes is. Please stop
Go Chiefs...Let the Patrick Mahomes lore continue! I hate the green bird team!
Then the other issue is nobody knew about it and they made sure it got on Fanatics Collect to be sold so they’re going to make even more commission on that when golden didn’t even know, the card was even pulled. He had no opportunity to talk to him.