As a Thor fan I dislike the movie a lot, it made quick work of Gorr was too silly. For some reason heimdall had a kid, it was just to childish for marvel and Gorr’s arc in general.
Silly and I cant figure out why writers and directors has so much hatred for the source material. So sick of randos being given free reign to completely rewrite the mythology of these characters amd storylines we grew up with.
I think that you are commercial trying to please a wider audience. You are the definition of being on the fence. Hense your reviews are bad. However: The video quality is really good and the depth you use too discuss was great also.
I liked it a lot.... but it helped to watch it with 300 other fans which also laughed from time to time... and sometimes not. One of the better MCU movies this year.
It was really hard to take Gorr seriously because I felt like Thor didn't even take him seriously. I couldn't even take the kidnapped kids seriously because Axel joked, Thor joked. It felt like every line Thor said was a joke. I liked Ragnarok because there was a good balance but they took it wayyy overboard this time with the one liners and comedy
Should you be taking Thor serious? He’s a magical character from a mystical land with a flying hammer. He wears furry boots?? He only works if he’s funny.
_In my opinion this movie was just to Disney for me especially when it comes to a profound character like the god of thunder Thor._ _The making of this video on TH-cam is nothing more than a response to the mixed reviews about this movie: no one expected specifically those who love the movie to receive mixed reviews about the movie, The same thing happened to the movie Eternals but I think they did a great job with that movie plus, no one wants to give a bad review on Thor as they did with the dark world._ _Thor the dark world should’ve had more potency to it given the fact that you have beings that existed and are older than the universe itself._ _This guy quickly came out to give excuses for the directors direction, in the next Thor movie I’m hoping we would have directors to take over the Thor character on the silver screen such as The Russo brothers, James Cameron, Chloe Zhao, Sam Raimi or even Zack Snyder or maybe Christopher Nolan himself would take part in the next Thor film as Director; I think Taika David Cohen forgot that you have adults and grown men with high testosterone that like the character came to see the movie too!!_
My point of view is that he’s dealing with a lot of pain, death and not being happy. He hasn’t dealt with closure or grief. He’s trying to run away from getting attached, he doesn’t take things serious or trying to be funny by hiding his pain.
@@Bravonewyork did Taika say this thing? Did Chris say this thing in any place? Did Thor say or address this thing somewhere in the movie? Did any side character say this thing about Thor in this movie? No man, that's totally not the case. Director wanted to make Thor a clown and it has nothing to do with Thor's personal problem.
A couple times during the movie I was wondering if Korg was still narrating and we were seeing an interpretation of his exaggerated story. This had a little TOO much Taika.
My main issue is that established MCU characters like Thor and Dr. Strange are starting to behave like caricatures of themselves. They don't act like people anymore, cracking jokes all the time regardless of circumstances. Ragnarok is really great, and Thor in that movie still appeared to have real genuine moments even if he was joking most of the time. In Love and Thunder, those moments are far in between and I started not seeing him as an individual with struggles anymore. Don't get me wrong, they're there but those moments started to seem like afterthoughts more and more. Ragnarok was able to balance the all its serious elements with its comedic ones, while Love and Thunder leaned too heavily in the latter, compromising what could have been a profound emotional story. I hope Guardians 3 will not suffer the same fate.
@@CrystalSki67You're completely missing the point. I loved both Guardians 1 & 2. And I love comedy in general, but both Guardian films knew when to treat serious matters seriously, and when to use comedy. Both Guardian movies had real emotional moments that honest to god made me tear up inspite of being funny as heck. On the other hand, Love and Thunder treated almost every scene as a comedy sketch. The ones in the film that seemed authentic, like the ones with Jane, are easily the best parts of Love and Thunder, but they were severely underutilized in favor of using comedic scenes. If you still don't understand, it's all about balancing both the comedic and story elements so that each part services the other. It's something that Phase 4 films appear to be sorely lacking, and something that Guardians 3 needs to perform well.
@@d.maxwell8669 were there any jokes about cancer or kidnapping/death in this movie? Did I miss it? Or did you just miss how your comment also applies to this movie? Which is a play on rom coms and mythological story telling. The next film isn't Infinity War, like Ragnarok was, this film can breath a bit
@@CrystalSki67I literally just mentioned that the best parts of Love and Thunder were those genuine moments with Jane, which include stuff involving cancer. I also said there were good moments in the film, though in my honest opinion, not nearly enough. I think they just leaned a little bit too much in the comedic aspect, thus compromising what could have been a more meaningful story (which is evident in almost all Phase 4 films). Not sure why you purposely misinterpret my statements on a consistent basis, but just to be clear, I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings for the film or attack you. You're free to love it just as I am free to criticize it. I love MCU films and I just want them to be better.
They need to release those extra scenes about Gor going after the gods. I think the comedy could’ve been toned down just a bit. They should’ve really pushed the boundary of almost being rated R like madness of multiverse teetered on that line. Gor is an awesome character. And they should’ve made us a little more anxious/scared/uncomfortable while he was on screen. Bale definitely deserved those cut scenes as well as more time. I would love to see him come back if they were to do the secret wars reset.
Now THIS I agree with. They just cut too much from it. To where the film leaned more comedy than anything else. Which I loved. But I DEFINITELY agree with your take
I wanted more of a "god killer". I wanted to see him actually kill a few gods....less of making Thor look like an idiot and more of making both have epic battles leading up to the climax. I just don't understand why they seem intent on making a very old being like Thor an idiot. He must have learned a few things over the centuries.
In ragnarok, they had some comedy but thor was mainly a straight man . love and thunder was mainly a comedy with thor being a buffoon . Ragnarok was one of my favorite marvel movies, love and thunder was def a thumbs down for me
When Zeus said he was fear of All-Black, I was thinking that it will give Gorr a clear advantage when fighting a proper god and that would lead to a scene where Jane held the key to defeat Gorr since she was still a human weilding god power. They don't even bother to show that clear advantage.
I would suggest reading some other mythologies than the Abrahamic ones - gods tend to be petty and foolish in those despite their immortality so I don't feel it is anything out of the ordinary. In fact most polytheistic religion gods are just humans reimaged to have magic and superpowers but with our flaws amplified, rather than "be all and end all" of the monotheistic religions. From the POV that gods are immensely powerful and usually have immortality, to think they don't learn as well as humans because mistakes are much less consequential to them actually makes more sense IMO. EDIT: Take Zeus in Greek mythology since he's in this movie too, how many times did he cheat on his wife Hera, got found out, and STILL does it?
@@nanaholic01 but my memory of Marvel comics is Thor is intelligent. There is a difference between being a fool and being foolish.....powerful beings might act foolish because they don't care or worry about what consequences their actions might have but their knowledge is extensive....sometimes in this movie Thor seems like an idiot.
@@iang8169 I wanted super angry pissed off Thor....I though they could have did a better job making Thor mad.....show a couple of his God friends being killed....then maybe having Sif die infront of him while he was trying to save her. Thor was only angry when he thought Korg was killed.....I wanted to see him fly up and kick Zues ass....just tossing his lightning bolt back into him was sort of blah lol This wasn't a bad movie but I just suppose I expected more....Gorr as some cosmic evil not an upset father.....Gorr maybe even an Avenger class bad guy....just with Thor universe allies teaming up like Ragnarok....his Sister Hela was pretty bad ass and so was Surtur....both way tougher than a supposed God killer
I COMPLETELY agree with Matt Singer here. Not only is it tonally inconsistent, but it's the cliff notes version of both the Gorr and Jane Foster storylines. Neither one grabs me the way either of them should. Gorr's not scary enough, and Jane's affliction did not resonate with me, the way a cancer storyline should, even though I also know what that's like.
Tonally inconsistent? I guess that just means a movie having more than one tone? If a movie is comedic and has serious moments, then I guess it's tonally inconsistent. You can only have one. Whenever something serious happens in this movie, it is never broken by a joke. Jane's cancer is never joked about. The entire third act with Gorr in shadow realm is never interrupted by a joke. His final confrontation with Etnerity is never broken by a joke. This movie has more restraint than most MCU movies. I think you just hate comedies my guy.
@@kyledahlquist9423 Did you miss the part where he's worried about her, hauls ass to get to her, is glad that she's alive and cracks a joke to lighten her mood?
This should have been a disney plus series. You get to explore more of Gorr’s background, more of Thor and Jane’s love story, still enough comedy and we get to see serious savage Thor that we miss from Infinity War. The movie was by no means bad, there was just way too much left in the air regarding his character.
This would be a great movie to release a Director's Cut, as the original tone of the film was meant to be much darker, more Tragic Love Story, and Marvel intervened to make it more Rom-Com for 'broader appeal'. I think the reason some stuff feels very incongruous is that they had to change a lot after the fact and that's always a bad idea.
Oh I would love to watch directors cut, would be a single comment of, "and this is where we screwed over all the avid fans and took thier money" *insert evil laugh here*
I spent almost all of 2019 in the hospital. I survived by laughing as often as possible. As someone who, at one point, was literally dying for many months, I found the tonal switches between “cancer” and “jokes” to be 100 on target. And as a dad, yeah, the end got me too. The movie was exactly what I expect from Waititi - dark themes attacked with brash humor.
It occurs to me that TLaT might have been more wacky than previous movies because the entire movie is ACTUALLY being told by Korg, as he is heard recapping major events (Story of Thor, story of Jane, their relationship, etc) and thus actually an unreliable narrator due to his personality and sometimes more simple-minded views. While the facts remain true enough (Thor learning to roller skate, them living together, etc), things like all the women in the God realm all fainting at the sight of his...err, mighty hammer, could have been hammed up by Korg because of how HE might have felt or just to give the story more entertainment. Meanwhile, all the flashbacks were Korg imagining how Thor and Jane acted (also explains the misspelling of Nick Fury and him having a cell phone despite not knowing how things like email and phones work as mentioned in Ragnarok; yeah it's also a callback to his comedy shorts, but as a narrative perspective that makes more sense). The only times the movie "present time" gets really serious is at the end when Korg isn't there and clearly Thor made sure his retelling the story was accurate. But storytelling plays a major role in the entire movie, with Korg and the followers, Axel and the kids, Thor and the kids, and even Gorr and his child in their religious beliefs.
Very well said, and I can definitely see this being an interpretation of a god through the lens of a disciple. It’s reminiscent of the epochs that used to be passed down through stories told in the olden times.
Telling the story to kids I see a parallel if Disney pressure caused this 2 hour Family friendly cut resulting from 4 hours of footage that included other god butchering. Must prepare everyone for young avengers
the spelling of Nick Fury as Furry was an easter egg from the Join Team Thor promo before Civil War. If you haven't seen it I suggest watching it, it was hilarious!
That's my problem with marvel movies, I don't watch Hollywood that much, they are like 1 hrs 35 min long not counting credits and post credit scenes. They feel like finale of TV series. Atleast make them 2 hrs long. Idk
I can’t pin it down perfectly, but I didn’t enjoy Love and Thunder. I’d hope to see some real butchering scenes, but no, and agree that the silliness at times was off putting to a story I read in the comics. Forgetting what happened after an hour of seeing the film made me realise I just didn’t connect
That's a great way to put it and you're absolutely right, a good movie leaves me thinking about it afterwards... & that's any quality film, this movie didn't do that for me at all.
I actually believe this movie could be solved by simply adding a few more moments of sadness to each tragedy: children being kidnapped, Korg body disintegrated, thor finds out Jane has cancer, Valkyrie being stabbed, Jane getting worse with cancer. All of these moments I just wanted to sit with and see Thor sit with the emotion longer. Without that it didn’t feel real. The danger of the kids being harmed didn’t feel real. I actually think it’s a simple fix that would make the comedy of this movie so much more impactful.
I think it should've just been the Jane storyline considering the tone of the love & thunder theme. Jane's Mighty Thor and the issues with Zeus could've been a balanced storyline. They really did the Godbutcher storyline a disservice. That should've been the main focus of another film. So the tone wasn't really the main problem, the antagonist just didn't fit.
Yes, the movie should have been longer. However, IMO too many reviewers and casuals have a fixation on Ragnarök to the point I don't even want to hear the word, an obsession trying to make sense of "Phase 4", false expectation of GOTG being in half the movie (despite them clearly leaving in the trailer) and taking themselves and the film way too serious. It's a comic book movie have some fun. Also, the movie is a very smart, detailed movie hidden behind a very goofy facade. That's a Taika joint. Is there fair complaints? Yes. People, including myself, wanted more. We wanted more Gorr and more Jane. The story moves at a breathtaking pace, it could have been extended 30 minutes and let the scenes breathe more. Also, the themes of the movie are great and deep but never fully explored.
" Also, the movie is a very smart, detailed movie hidden behind a very goofy facade." Yeah you lost me there. There is nothing very smart about this movie. It's a dumb stupid fun movie. Nothing more, nothing less.
I enjoyed most of Love and Thunder, I think where it falls short for me or it feels like a missed opportunity is the character of Gorr. Gorr is a serial killer, he is 'Gorr the God Butcher' and after he kills the first god, his god; Gorr is depicted as less of a butcher and more of a boogey man as the film progresses. One of the things Marvel is having a problem with in phase four (we are in phase four, yes?) is showing and not telling and boy howdy, is that Gorr's problem. We see very little of his mind games, of his murders or his battles. Instead, we see the aftermath, the deed after it is done and then him traumatizing children and this is the exact opposite of Gorr in the comics. I think if we would have gotten two scenes of him felling gods and debating them and their worth as he is doing it, we would SEE him in his corruption and his goal could have been more dynamic. Gorr could have been a Thanos villain in which we, the audience, actually debate our own values and morals when it comes to gods and belief structures. Instead, he is another Dark Elf ala Thor 2. In my head canon, as Thor debates/battles Zeus, we flash back and forth with Gorr killing/debating a good god or a god that devoted itself to its followers and yet, Gorr STILL kills it. We see the parallels of the two debates and how complicated the issue of being a god can be. Zeus the arrogant All Father vs Jesus or a Sacrificial type of god and our Protagonist and Antagonist debating them for relatability.
I agree with your "show don't tell" point. It also applied to Thor's personal struggles. We kept being told that he was having a hard time figuring out who he was and what he wanted out of life, but we never actually saw him going through any of that.
Joshua, reading your post was more interesting than watching Thor: Love and Thunder. If I could move this to the top of the comment section I would, but all I can offer is a like.
6.5/10 Not bad, but not great, it had some great emotional beats, but the jokes and humor overshadowed the emotional beats, plus they did the Guardians of the galaxy dirty.
Same problem with Shang Chi, you've got an excellent villain but lacks the time to develop them. It should have been a two part movie Wen Wu and the Legend of Ten Rings, and Shang Chi in the Legend of Ta Lo. And for this it should have been Gorr: Rise of God Butcher and Thor: Love and Thunder.
Given it was so short, having more Gorr in the first Act would have really worked to set the stakes rather than just giving us a bunch of distress signals. Also, I didn't really like how they basically reset Thor to how he was in Thor 1, it's almost like Ragnarok, Infinity War and End Game didn't happen...they could have told the same story without doing that for the sake of making a few extra jokes. Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't nearly as strong as Ragnarok.
I didn't think it reset Thor. He closed off his heart because of all the people he cared about dying. His friends, family, etc. This movie taught Thor to open his heart again.
@@tmmnago2722 He's a complete goof at the beginning of the movie and delusional as well. That's not a guy with his "closed off heart", that's the guy from Thor 1 but played up more for laughs. He's not even close to the "Bring me Thanos" Thor in Infinity War, or the "Let's kill him properly this time" Thor from End Game. They didn't need to make Thor a goofball to make this movie funny.
@@andrewshandle Some people just try to hide their emotions/push people out by making jokes and acting silly.And I don't know if that's what taika waititi was going for,but for me it didn't feel out of place.
100% Agree with everything Matt said on this. I love Ragnarok, but am very conflicted on L&T. Taika Waititi's antics suited the environment of Sakaar, which itself served as a brilliant counterpoint to Hela's and Asgard's imperial majesty. But there's nothing in this story beyond the Guardians that benefits from that wackiness.
As a HUGE fan of Taika’s, I loved it, though as you said, Ragnarok is still one of my favorite MCU films. Some of my friends are among those who just couldn’t get into it. For me those are the films I enjoy talking about - divisive ones. If a film is getting mixed reactions that doesn’t mean it’s “bad” as clearly there are many who like it as well as dislike it. My biggest issue is when people get upset over films and go off online telling others their opinion is the right one. I personally like how phase 4 is giving directors more freedom, of course people are noticing a downside to this as sometimes films or shows feel out of place in the mcu after 11 years. Still, the MCUs success giving more creative freedom to filmmakers is something that makes me happy - especially as a soon-to-be filmmaker myself. The silliness was fine for me as I left with a smile on my face. My biggest gripe was not getting enough of Gorr. Hela got so much screen time between Thor’s scenes that it built the climax better when they finally had their big confrontation. In this one Gorr just sits around waiting for Thor. I think the film would’ve benefited from seeing Gorr travel around and fight other gods.
Agree with everything you said. Gorr should've gotten more development. And Valkyrie barely had any screentime. I love that Phase 4 is giving more creative freedom to directors.
Wouldn't it have been great if Omnipotent City was decimated by Gorr just after Thor and company leaves (and Zeus is incapacitated). That would be the God Butcherer's ultimate buffet....
Well said! I feel like Marvel has expanded enough that we are now getting movies made for everyone - and some fans are confused by that and don't like it. But it's great for others. I loved LaT while the Cap movies are, personally, some of my least favorite (although I like his character). And that's okay. It should be a "to each their own" situation. Especially because that's how the comic books are. 😊
I'll say this: I enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would. I just had the title and the trailer to base my judgment on. From those, I was not impressed. But because Thor is my favorite Avenger, I figure I would give it a shot. And I was surprised that I liked it as much as I did. Not my favorite Thor movie (that would be Ragnorok), but I was still entertained.
I'm on the same page as Rachel. People needs to go with the flow. I loved every single minute of this movie. That's coming from someone who's a Huge fan of Jason Aaron's run of Thor. I'm just happy to see these characters on the big screen.
Yeah, for sure it was too silly, it was the right amount in Ragnarok and came across refreshing. I found myself cringing too much in this one waiting for a scene to get over with too often.
The worst part for me was the damn goats. That was a tired meme a decade ago. If he really must use it again, at least remember the rule of three. Repeating a joke more than three time kills it. (Although for me, the screaming goats joke was already dead on arrival).
I don’t know who the man is on the show, not Ryan but I completely disagree. Even tho it’s the same layout as Ragnarok it’s completely new and it felt fresh.. I loved this film.
I’m guessing the amount of MCU content is bound to bring about so much criticism. I’m confused with the amount of negativity towards this movie but happy to hear the poll taken revealed that most of the viewers liked this movie. I loved it. Ultimately it really seems that the MCU requiem entertainment to Edit these movies down to 2 hours resulted in this movie being edited down to what we got, a (Taika Watiti comedy space adventure). I guess the editing has to happen it just seems that they may have cut off too much Goor with his death and destruction and kept lots of laughs. I’m cool with it but would’ve loved to have more violence
Why is constructive criticism all of sudden perceived as negativity??? The film clearly had a boatload of tonal inconsistencies that hurt the film tremendously. The film is based on a bleak story. Why insert so much comedy into? Why not just do another story altogether instead of serious one??
Honestly terrible movie. Once again the comic book characters that the fans love have been screwed over with goofy ones. Massive plot holes. So much of the movie didn't make sense at all. Really bad acting. Kids fighting omg wtf is that about. It's one big joke.
I almost feel as if Taika Waititi is the 21st century Paul Veerhoven. There's a lot going on in his movies that people just aren't getting now. One day, retrospective viewings will see them in a different light.
That’s exactly my issue with this newer Thor movie. This man literally lost EVERYTHING and he’s making a joke about everything? Spider-Man lost everything and it proceeded to be emotional and didn’t undermined the emotional part
@@KangSupreme 5000 year old space viking who, AGAIN, lost everything. Literally right after the other. His mom, his dad, his Asgardian friends, his home, almost all his ppl, his brother, his Avenger friends, then the love of his life. I think time span of 10 years.
I loved the "silliness". I am also a Blazing Saddle, Robinhood Men in Tights, Airplane, Naked Gun, Scary Movie, I'm Going to Get You Sucka, The 3 Stooges, Marx Brothers, Red Skelton, Carol Burnette fan. It's what I was raised on along with my Comics.
I still definitely put Ragnorok as one of best MCU films and better than L&T. I don't think its fair to say this movie was "too silly", it's a Waititi Film I feel like you have to expect the jokes. I also think the original 4hr cut would've explored the intricate details alot better and made more sense. Overall 7.5/10 for me :)
Some of the more intricate deleted scenes like Gorr screaming, going around killing gods and exploring some of the mini arcs more would be acceptable. The movie had way too much content which struggled for sub 2 hour movie.
While I’d like to see a 4hr cut, we can’t expect every movie now to be a super extended version; there are filmmakers that can develop a fully fledged story within a shorter running time
Nothing in this movie cohered. Calling the movie "fun" as a way of saying it's somewhat good is like calling getting blackout drunk and attending a meaningful event fun--because getting drunk is supposed to be fun, uh, yeah, uh, I smort. Wasted characters, completely undermined emotion thanks to overused jokes. Some jokes would've been absolutely fantastic, had they not been thrown in with and at you every excuse to make them. There is nothing good to say about it.
I had no problems enjoying Thor: Love and Thunder. The know it all critics and naysayers may slam it all they like but the movie stood on its own merits. Depending on what Rotten Tomatoes says or claims to decide to watch a movie or not is like relying on what Oprah’s Book Club to decide to get a book. People can still think for themselves. Taika Waititi had a lot thinking that Love and Thunder will end up campy like 1997’s Batman and Robin but if one took time to listen to the dialog the story was fairly good. It wouldn’t have done for it to have been as serious as Dr. Strange In the Multiverse of Madness, and to exactly copy the God Butcher arc would more likely invite comparison to Endgame with the present day Thor, the younger Thor and King Thor all in one film. Jane Foster as the Mighty Thor was excellent, ditto Christian Bale as Gorr the God Butcher. He said it best: “And how many times have you prayed to your gods and not received an answer?” . The mid credits with Zeus resenting the fact that people now put their faith in superheroes more than gods sets up a really good throw down between Thor and Hercules.
I honestly had the same problem with the marvel what if series, the episodes I liked were the one’s they took seriously, and did not fill with a movie worth of jokes. Mainly the zombies episode, way too many dad jokes in that.
No hate to Matt singer, but people react to bad things different, when my grandma died and we were at the funeral, i started to joke around but thats because my default feeling is happiness and joke around, and when you do not know how to feel you go back often to your default feelings, so that Thor joked about Sif losing a arm i understand it fully.
There's a lot of great stuff beneath the surface of the film. Jane going to Valhalla not because she died in the battle, but because her fight vs cancer was a battle. Stormbreaker and Mjolnir were metaphors for Thor and Jane's emotions. The importance of love and childlike imagination in a cynic world. But the humour mostly didnt work which will make people forget about this
"Jane going to Valhalla not because she died in the battle, but because her fight vs cancer was a battle." She literally only got into Valhalla because died in battle lol. They point this out multiple times throughout the film. Her cancer with battle was a battle of morals and learning what is of utmost importance when your own frail life is at stake.
@@shinkounova8485 Jane died after the physical fight was over. By the same rule Thor quoted to Sif earlier in the movie, that disqualifies her from entry to Valhalla.
I felt ragnarok was us finally becoming friends with thor, after we've been work bros for months. Then love and thunder was just us going on a road trip with him.
I agree with Matt Singer. Perfect explanation of this movie is two halves of an amazing sandwich mushed together. Plus I am sad that Gorr is gone.... Christian Bale did such a good job
One more thing. I liked the ending because it wasn't just about stopping a bad guy ,and the bad guy just killing God s for no reason. All gor wanted was his daughter, and Thor finally reopened his heart for love. So much so to take in the badguy heart, but I do agree it should of been a little more expanded on at the end. Could of definitely been a longer ending. Maybe the seed being planted right after the necropo sword being broken.
Dude, the best Thor yet. As a father, I can tell you nerds who don't understand the journey of a boy to being a man to being a father is the very foundation of the Thor series. So guys without kids or a long enough life to understand how he feels, then they are missing out on it. And the scene at the end had me jumping out my seat it was so good. Also, the whole story was told as a story being told by his friend so the details may have been different.
I think as a movie is fun, action packed and dont have any problems. but the majority of the criticism is the fact that taika chose to "adapt" 2 of the most beloved thor stories of the comics and they dont look alike at all. And that is a fair point too, but, in hindsight, they really shoudnt, because of the maturity of the thor stories in the comics are not the target audience of the disney's MCU (Im sorry my misspelling, but english is not my primary language)
_In my opinion this movie was just to Disney for me especially when it comes to a profound character like the god of thunder Thor. The making of this video on TH-cam is nothing more than a response to the mixed reviews about this movie: no one expected specifically those who love the movie to receive mixed reviews about the movie, The same thing happened to the movie Eternals but I think they did a great job with that movie plus, no one wants to give a bad review on Thor as they did with the dark world, this guy quickly came out to give excuses for the directors direction, in the next Thor movie I’m hoping we would have directors to take over the Thor character on the silver screen such as The Russo brothers, James Cameron, Chloe Zhao, Sam Raimi or even Zack Snyder or maybe Christopher Nolan himself would take part in the next Thor film as Director; I think Taika David Cohen forgot that you have adults and grown men with high testosterone that like the character came to see the movie too!!_
It's actually a fusion Of comedy drama and horror... Every Scene Christian Bale was in Especially the one with the children in the cage... Was like something out of a hellraiser flick... That's what made the scene with the powered up kids so satisfying
You know, I really disliked this movie but I will 100% agree with everything you just said. Lets see Gorr butcher some gods, massively ramp up his screen time, increase the horror, keep a few jokes and that would be a movie I would watch.
Thor pouring beer and petting his hammer is silly. Goats can’t stop screaming, silly. Sif loosing her arm and Thor jokes about it, silly. Valkerie scratching Thor’s nose while he teleports himself is silly. Zeus is completely silly looking. First god at the oasis with Gorr is silly. Alien that looks like chicken is goofy and silly. Many more
Just saw it today for the first time. I wasn't very impressed overall. It was somewhat entertaining, but the beginning felt VERY rushed, and the rest just lacked something that I can't quite put my finger on. The humor felt a bit too much this time around. "Thor: Ragnarok" is still my favorite. I could watch that movie over and over...this one I have no desire to see again.
Matt said exactly what I couldn’t put my finger on. It was like there were totally different movies. Sadness and Grief against silliness and jokes. I like a roller coaster as much as the next person, but geeze.
Make a thriller/horror movie about Gorr and his god butchering ways. Make a tearjerker movie about Jane, cancer and loss. Make a silly movie for children, hosted by Korg. Don't try to jam all three into one film.
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Totally agree with your opinion, Ryan. The movie was light, not THAT funny (IMO), VERY entertaining and explores new parts of the cosmic/larger-than-life Marvel universe that I love. Also, loved the debate format! Keep it up (:
I thought it was good, not as good as Ragnarok--I liked those themes better. I didn't quite connect with Love, the character. But I have heard from some people who are parents that their kids really liked the idea that they could be heroes too (not just with Love but with the empowering of the Asgardian children) so I think this one might skew younger, which isn't a bad thing for Marvel. Waititi described this as Thor's "mid-life crisis" movie and also a romantic melodrama. I think those are accurate. I'm not sure I need to see another Thor movie. I would like a Valkyrie film with Waititi, maybe. And more puppet aliens. (Help those poor CGI VFX artists + more puppets = win win)
Especially coming off of Dr Strange which was super dark I thought it was a well needed break from the doom and gloom. Actually glad that it doesn’t create all the giant MCU questions and it’s just a good movie without having to immediately lead into something else
@@surgegraphicnovel oh I know, I'm just more surprised people found it funny? I might have just been too connected to that hidden plot point so it wasn't going to be humorous to me, just kinda heartbreaking
Nothing worked in my opinion...It was like watching 2 diferrent movies at the same time...Kinda made me wish that Gorr was the protagonist, and saw him acutally killing some gods...
I’m sorry but I hate Matt’s take. It feels inch deep. Sure Waititi’s thor is the same kind of character. It wouldn’t have made sense for him not to be since this Thor is both wildly successful and being influenced by the same director. If all the magic of Ragnorok was just in that it was a surprising one time magic trick then this movie was doomed for you no matter what. I think this movie tells a more interesting story than Ragnorok and does so in a completely fresh and fun way. Without ever feeling preachy it tackles some really interesting ideas about how we express love. That’s just my opinion but I think if the bar is surprising the audience with a new thor character every time then we’re being unrealistic and we aren’t opening ourselves up enough to enjoy the other parts of the story.
Although I enjoyed the film as a whole, I felt Gorr was out of place as a villian. The God Butcher saga happened to Thor after I got out of buying monthly comics but from my understanding it's a vast, multi year saga. So it could've been a new trilogy of movies. I mean a God killer with he power of Thanos with the necro sword (which in the comics is a venom symbiote or somehting, crazy I know) is too small for 1 movie.
The sword was created by the god of the symbiote Knull, and it has the power to kill even celestials but I feel like with Sony owning Venom and I think anything attached to him they have to alter a bit
Can't do it as a trilogy. Chris might not have 3 more movies in him. So it had to be one and done. Now, they should have put more focus in it. I agree with that. Maybe get rid of the other subplots.
The so-called "funny moments" continuously interrupt the serious ones. One scene turns into many and it becomes very annoying. This is the first MCU movie in which I actually considered leaving the theater after the first 15 minutes
If someone hadn't paid for my ticket to take me there and I had paid for my ticket on my own I would have walked out on that movie after he met and killed the first and only God that we got to see him kill
I loved the movie, but it tried to do _way_ too much in a limited span, and threw way too much new stuff at the audience for my liking. (Major spoilers ahead.) Introducing Gorr and the Necrosword, Zeus and several pantheons worth of deities (including two more Celestials who were a cool inclusion but also a confusing one- you'd think they'd have bigger concerns than watching Zeus preen his feathers), a new thunderbolt weapon that Thor just takes and uses no problem, Eternity and his wish-granting powers (which just so happen to be locked with the Bifrost of all things, how convenient; and the center of the universe is apparently relatively easy to get to, with Thor getting there with little issue... yet no one thought to use Eternity's wish until right now?), Jane and everything tied to her, Valhalla, and littler but still hitherto-unseen things like Heimdal's son... it's a *lot*, and a fair chunk of these concepts could have used a lot more breathing room or otherwise been cut for future use. What we got was a fun time, but place the fun element to one side for a moment and analyze the thing, and the movie suddenly looks and feels cobbled together and unfocused.
My main gripes are 1. Gorr was under utilized: as a being who got the name “god butcher” you would think that the other gods would be a bit more serious about it, but they chalked up his kills to being “low level gods”. He also wasn’t as scary as I hoped, though he would’ve played more mind games. 2. The end scenes: mainly Gorrs daughter, she felt out of place at the end, she should’ve been a motivating character and not a two timer. In my opinion, thor isn’t ready to be a dad yet, he still has to much to go through before he is fit. 3. Korg: while I love Korgs character, he felt out of place In the movie. Sounding both sarcastic and joking at the same time. He also doesn’t fit the narrative of the story and he should’ve stayed at Asgard to oversee the place instead of join the others
1. The whole point of this - and the movie in fact - is that the gods are full of themselves and couldn't care less. The time where Gorr met his deity sets this up. And as Ryan had pointed out in the breakdown, this is a social commentary on wealthy elites living in their own little reality bubble not caring about anything else. To make the gods "care more", would in fact, defeat the theme of the movie.
yeah so he killed low level gods right, and the other gods didnt pay attention and then what if he killed a major god or two and then we see the gods become scared and shit and wed be like wow this god buthcer is actually legit. and then the eternity plan was just thrown out there by zeus like we dont even know why zeus knows gorr's plan. what if they showed like zeus was actually scared but woudlnt show it thats why he knows what gorr might do. the movie was rushed i think.
Also this movie shouldn’t just be about Thor. There are so many good characters that were suppose to balance him. We all know that he is hurt but that’s why Jane and Valkyrie are their. They’re the grown ups. Valkyrie should’ve have been so so so so soft and immature. She’s a badass.
I think in this movie, we got to see parts of the "Nordic Viking god Thor" Careless, making fun of battle and that if you die in battle(as a viking), it doesn't matter as something better awaits in valhalla. But he is also aware that there are different realms/dimensions/afterlifes depending on your beliefs. And that is why he doesn't want Jane to die( and pf course because he loves her). I really enjoyed it, and had fun.
Thor lost his mother, father, brother, friends and half of all asgard and the movie jokes about it. Maybe he's trying to hide hide pain by joking about and if he is then atleast address about it. It's as if the past movies events didint even happen. When ever Christian bale comes on the screen it's intense and felt like something bads gonna happen but the way he's written he is not that intimidating at times. As Matt said a combination of two good things which are bad when combined. Thanos wouldn't like this movie as it's not balanced.
I'm not a fan of the comedy in this movie either but the joke about Lady Sif's arm making it to Valhalla was the only scene my theater actually laughed at
The Altar of Eternity was a lot like that water world after Thanos snapped. It seemed that both Gorr and Thor had to make a sacrifice to Eternity in order to bring about the resurrection of Gorr’s daughter. Gorr gave up his life and Thor lost Jane Foster.
I just realised that the reaso Gorr did not wish to be with his daughter is that he was too embarrassed to thing that he was worthy of us. He had done so many atrocious things, killed so many gods by that point that he thought himself irredemable and likely to corrupt his daughter if he stayed alive. However on the other hand he sees a god in thor so unlike the ones he encountered, one that is caring and still evolving that he consiously made the choice of leaving her with Thor. I am also not entirely sure if love is 100% his daughter. When she comes back, the reflection on the water is eternity, not his daughter. As for Thor being silly for most of the film, let's not forget, he is 1500 year old. A sort of cynicism and sillyness is required if you don't want to fall to depression after living for so long. Furthermore, Thor is also, without realising, making himself stronger. It is established in Moon Knight that the more people believing in a God the more powerful that God becomes. Thor, has ledt the asgardians and is now well knowj throughout the universe, woth many people worshipping him as dofferent kinds of god (Thunder, destruction, etc). I do think that we will eventually see that taking fruit at some point
We open with Korg telling the story of Thor but I think he does it for the whole movie. The whole first fight scene is told with Thor center stage, with no need for the Guardians. Even the way Quill acts and speaks to Thor before they leave seemed a little bit out of character. Most prominent when Jane asks about Eternity and Valkirye looks straight ahead and speaks as if in a play. I dunno, that was my thought when first watching this movie and as I did it put some context, at least in my mind, why the jokes didn’t quite seem to line up with the gravity of the situation. Like in those old movies with Errol Flynn where the hero is cracking jokes as he is being prepared to walk the plank or something dire. Thor Love and Thunder is an adventure story told from the point of view of one of his disciple Korg. I’m going to watch it again and see how or if the dialogue changes when Korg is not in the scene
I think this too. I think that’s why it was too silly. I think that was jus my Korg telling the story in his words which we know he’s silly and funny to us the watchers. It made the movie a little bit better when I realized this an hour after I watched it lol
Given the tone of this movie, I think Christian Bale was a weird choice and I wonder if thats reason why he had so little screen time. I think he did a good job and if they had gone hard R, his portrait would have been amazing. That’s the movie I want to see. But I felt like the tone of this was out of his range a little. Also, he did say in an interview that he did most of his scenes by him self and that’s how it felt watching
This review is outstandingly hilarious One side loves Branagh Thor and the Other Loves the Watiti Thor. The problem for criticism in these times is that no one loves the Mystery anymore people want it the way they portray it in their selfish minds.
I wanted to see more of Gorr. We should of got to see him kill more gods, we only actually see him kill one at the very beginning so his threat level doesn't really seem that high
I loved the movie, more than Ragnarok. Ragnarok was fun, but Love & Thunder had so much emotion and character growth. I also lost my mom to cancer, so I could relate to the struggle Jane went through, and the ending was so beautiful I couldn’t help shedding some tears. I agree with Taika’s philosophy of using laughter to counteract sadness. And Thor is probably one of the most tragic characters in the MCU (along with Wanda). He lost both his parents, his brother, his best friends… the scene with Starlord was played for laughs, but Thor really doesn’t have anyone to love anymore, so for him to find Love at the end of the movie was beautiful. The humor overall has hit or miss, but I interpreted a lot of it as Thor trying to deal with his pain by putting on a smile and seeing the humor in life.
Yeah, except they already played the "sad Thor has lost everyone" in Endgame when he is in the spaceship with Rocket. They tossed a low-key joke at that and it worked. But on the flip side, yes I agree with the idea of humor during sadness. It is a great coping mechanism. So sorry about your mom, friend.
It's a comic.. brought to life... why do people have to hate on something that has a comedic value when the actual storyline in the comics is comedic.. yeh avengerngers and all was serious but thor an hulk and Dr strange have always been fun characters there positive and above the realm of humanity's bounds... thats the point. Watch some taika waititi interviews and you will understand.. you don't have to cry everytime something happens thats the point...
Rachel Leishman totally describes my experience. The humor was a little heavy handed sometimes, but I had a lot more sympathy for Gorr than I expected. I was literally crying several times during the movie thinking about my relationship with my mother and my children.
Having humour in a serious movie and I understand how taiko likes to have bit of lights in the darkness. But here, it made Thor look like an idiot and/or a jerk. Because they wanted to force humour, he appeared as careless, inconsiderate,... Like when he destroy the temple and doesn't seem to care. Or whenever he makes a speech that is supposed to be powerful and he just sounds ridiculous, like he was not believing what he was saying, or like he couldn't understand the people he's talking to... To me the silliness of the movie was at the expense of the characters and the story, not at his service.
I loved Love & Thunder, and in your recap of the film you helped me see things I didn’t notice which made me love it even more. Can Taika Waititi just make every movie? He’s so damn good at it. So…. Did The Rock finally make it into the MCU???
Overall I enjoyed the movie but I had two complaints - 1) We did not see enough of Gorr - those scenes of him self-mutilating by removing his religious tattoos would have been so great. We should have seen him kill a few more gods on-screen instead of just seeing pictures. I mean even the battle where Sif lost her arm - SHOW SOME OF THAT BATTLE! 2) Marvel has been introducing many many gods and afterlife realms recently - the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight, Black Panther, the Dragons in Shang Chi, Celestials, etc. They literally introduced a character with " god butcher" in his name yet he did not mention or attempt to kill any of these recently introduced gods. Killing one of the gods from Moon Knight (for example) before going after Thor would have added some real stakes.
My feelings are: there are things in the third act that are super awesome and I wouldn't change a thing. But it feels like they rushed plot points in the first act. Chekov got to fire his gun at the end, boy did he. And that gun was there in the first act....but, not all the chambers in the revolver had a bullet. And that ending was a pistol twirl, shoot six shots in the air, pistol twirl again, and holster it. But you ask yourself, "Was that six shots, or only three. Might have been four. I'm sure I didn't hear a fifth"
I went to watch L&T with low expectations, based on people's reactions, but I liked it a lot more than even Ragnarok. The movie is aware of itself and it's goofiness, but still strikes really hard with it's feelings. Jane is the best female character in the entire mcu, it's the first time I felt there was a feminist character not being forced in a role (like Captain Marvel, which felt even more patriarchal than other women in the mcu). Here, Jane can be strong, heroic but she is free to be silly or lose a battle, she and thor feel really at the same level without the movie having to remind us about it every second.
I always appreciate your critique. You dive deeper into the emotions and motivations of the characters and the lore. Most critics are focusing on how they felt while watching the movie and what should be criticized. Most viewers want to be entertained- hopefully.
It cured the problem of Bathos in Marvel films. It kept on prodding and poking for laughs and chuckles, as it should. It humanizes the vibe with all the silliness, while still going serious with certain scenes’ mood when needed. It’s how to fix the burden of Thor being a god and someone who’s unrelatable; this still remains the problem for most DC franchise characters. DC characters are too much of gods among men and not enough of us to connect with. Such that, we are left to spectate. Thor’s first film humanized him when he fell from grace and was cast down to Earth. The 2nd film’s screenplay was burdened by Thor’s own mythos. Being a god once again, Thor’s story was how his life is as a god of Asgard that deals with the fantastical and mythical. There was no way to scale that grandiosity down. This is where Marvel is treading carefully as well I think with the multiversal war endgame. It’s putting bits in pieces that people might not easily appreciate right now because everything’s fragmented (and maybe people who don’t get things easily already have this air of disappointment to why this grand design doesn’t seem so easy to grasp). Can you imagine heavily complex intersectional plots being comprehensible to complainants like them? It could only go sourer if the bigger plot was dumped on them because dealing with space and time across multiverses goes all over and not as straightforward as the Infinity Saga. Going back to Thor, I think his personal saga is the best among MCU characters. His character growth is the most complete through all the films he’s appeared in. Even as a god, he’s shown his flaws and arrogance, but also has been depicted to be on his path to true grace like his father, Odin, who ruled with grace and kindness (even taking in and raising the child of his sworn enemy). His vulnerability humanizes him, as he could be depicted as the best of us (what humans could be) despite so much personal loss, that he’s really left with nothing (Jane just died too). Despite his personal tragedies, he treks forward to personal realizations and maturity. And in context given all his films, he’s the most inspirational.
No idea what all the "ehh its okay" is about. Understandable that people want something different, but what kind of different? I feel like this IS Thor now. He learned to adapt to our current society. Where else can his character go, in this darker serious tone? IDK, I loved it. They need to release the 4 hour cut.
Of course he'd make jokes about Siff losing her arm. He doesn't have the emotional maturity to be compassionate in the heat of the moment, and he's used Asgardians coming back whole again if they want. Please consider the world building that has been set-up already
I didn't really liked Ragnarok (except for Hela) so I share the same thing with this one And for the super hero genre, I find James Gunn a better director than Taika Waititi when it comes to balance serious topics with comedy and lighthearted moments (GotG and Suicide Squad 2 especially) Marvel also wasted Gorr like they usually waste their villains, the character was only saved because of Bale's performance
I loved this movie. This movie is gif and meme bait with some good heart felt beats in the middle and some decent action. It’s not really a great film but it is a lore dump that adds to the legend of Thor.
What did you think of the movie?
I enjoyed it more than multiverse of madnesses
As a Thor fan I dislike the movie a lot, it made quick work of Gorr was too silly. For some reason heimdall had a kid, it was just to childish for marvel and Gorr’s arc in general.
Silly and I cant figure out why writers and directors has so much hatred for the source material. So sick of randos being given free reign to completely rewrite the mythology of these characters amd storylines we grew up with.
I think that you are commercial trying to please a wider audience. You are the definition of being on the fence. Hense your reviews are bad.
However: The video quality is really good and the depth you use too discuss was great also.
I liked it a lot.... but it helped to watch it with 300 other fans which also laughed from time to time... and sometimes not. One of the better MCU movies this year.
It was really hard to take Gorr seriously because I felt like Thor didn't even take him seriously. I couldn't even take the kidnapped kids seriously because Axel joked, Thor joked. It felt like every line Thor said was a joke. I liked Ragnarok because there was a good balance but they took it wayyy overboard this time with the one liners and comedy
Should you be taking Thor serious? He’s a magical character from a mystical land with a flying hammer. He wears furry boots?? He only works if he’s funny.
@@versewonderstrikes5353 but marveltards take it serious. If you criticize a movie or a character they personally insult you.
_In my opinion this movie was just to Disney for me especially when it comes to a profound character like the god of thunder Thor._
_The making of this video on TH-cam is nothing more than a response to the mixed reviews about this movie: no one expected specifically those who love the movie to receive mixed reviews about the movie, The same thing happened to the movie Eternals but I think they did a great job with that movie plus, no one wants to give a bad review on Thor as they did with the dark world._
_Thor the dark world should’ve had more potency to it given the fact that you have beings that existed and are older than the universe itself._
_This guy quickly came out to give excuses for the directors direction, in the next Thor movie I’m hoping we would have directors to take over the Thor character on the silver screen such as The Russo brothers, James Cameron, Chloe Zhao, Sam Raimi or even Zack Snyder or maybe Christopher Nolan himself would take part in the next Thor film as Director; I think Taika David Cohen forgot that you have adults and grown men with high testosterone that like the character came to see the movie too!!_
My point of view is that he’s dealing with a lot of pain, death and not being happy. He hasn’t dealt with closure or grief. He’s trying to run away from getting attached, he doesn’t take things serious or trying to be funny by hiding his pain.
@@Bravonewyork did Taika say this thing? Did Chris say this thing in any place? Did Thor say or address this thing somewhere in the movie? Did any side character say this thing about Thor in this movie?
No man, that's totally not the case. Director wanted to make Thor a clown and it has nothing to do with Thor's personal problem.
A couple times during the movie I was wondering if Korg was still narrating and we were seeing an interpretation of his exaggerated story. This had a little TOO much Taika.
eh I disagree. I personally think that the movie was good. I think it had just enough Taika.
me too, i thought it was Korg's narrative to explained the awful acting of the Guardians.
I agree
There is no such thing as too much Taika. There isn’t enough out there. After watching Our flag means death, I just wanted to see more of his work.
There is no such thing as "too much taika" ...
My main issue is that established MCU characters like Thor and Dr. Strange are starting to behave like caricatures of themselves. They don't act like people anymore, cracking jokes all the time regardless of circumstances. Ragnarok is really great, and Thor in that movie still appeared to have real genuine moments even if he was joking most of the time. In Love and Thunder, those moments are far in between and I started not seeing him as an individual with struggles anymore. Don't get me wrong, they're there but those moments started to seem like afterthoughts more and more. Ragnarok was able to balance the all its serious elements with its comedic ones, while Love and Thunder leaned too heavily in the latter, compromising what could have been a profound emotional story. I hope Guardians 3 will not suffer the same fate.
You're expecting Guardians of the Galaxy to be SERIOUS!? Oh no.....
@@CrystalSki67You're completely missing the point. I loved both Guardians 1 & 2. And I love comedy in general, but both Guardian films knew when to treat serious matters seriously, and when to use comedy. Both Guardian movies had real emotional moments that honest to god made me tear up inspite of being funny as heck. On the other hand, Love and Thunder treated almost every scene as a comedy sketch. The ones in the film that seemed authentic, like the ones with Jane, are easily the best parts of Love and Thunder, but they were severely underutilized in favor of using comedic scenes. If you still don't understand, it's all about balancing both the comedic and story elements so that each part services the other. It's something that Phase 4 films appear to be sorely lacking, and something that Guardians 3 needs to perform well.
@@d.maxwell8669 were there any jokes about cancer or kidnapping/death in this movie? Did I miss it? Or did you just miss how your comment also applies to this movie? Which is a play on rom coms and mythological story telling. The next film isn't Infinity War, like Ragnarok was, this film can breath a bit
@@CrystalSki67I literally just mentioned that the best parts of Love and Thunder were those genuine moments with Jane, which include stuff involving cancer. I also said there were good moments in the film, though in my honest opinion, not nearly enough. I think they just leaned a little bit too much in the comedic aspect, thus compromising what could have been a more meaningful story (which is evident in almost all Phase 4 films). Not sure why you purposely misinterpret my statements on a consistent basis, but just to be clear, I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings for the film or attack you. You're free to love it just as I am free to criticize it. I love MCU films and I just want them to be better.
I saw a character with struggles, and I enjoyed it, from a movie standpoint.
They need to release those extra scenes about Gor going after the gods. I think the comedy could’ve been toned down just a bit. They should’ve really pushed the boundary of almost being rated R like madness of multiverse teetered on that line. Gor is an awesome character. And they should’ve made us a little more anxious/scared/uncomfortable while he was on screen. Bale definitely deserved those cut scenes as well as more time. I would love to see him come back if they were to do the secret wars reset.
Now THIS I agree with. They just cut too much from it. To where the film leaned more comedy than anything else. Which I loved. But I DEFINITELY agree with your take
I wanted more of a "god killer". I wanted to see him actually kill a few gods....less of making Thor look like an idiot and more of making both have epic battles leading up to the climax.
I just don't understand why they seem intent on making a very old being like Thor an idiot. He must have learned a few things over the centuries.
In ragnarok, they had some comedy but thor was mainly a straight man . love and thunder was mainly a comedy with thor being a buffoon . Ragnarok was one of my favorite marvel movies, love and thunder was def a thumbs down for me
When Zeus said he was fear of All-Black, I was thinking that it will give Gorr a clear advantage when fighting a proper god and that would lead to a scene where Jane held the key to defeat Gorr since she was still a human weilding god power. They don't even bother to show that clear advantage.
I would suggest reading some other mythologies than the Abrahamic ones - gods tend to be petty and foolish in those despite their immortality so I don't feel it is anything out of the ordinary. In fact most polytheistic religion gods are just humans reimaged to have magic and superpowers but with our flaws amplified, rather than "be all and end all" of the monotheistic religions. From the POV that gods are immensely powerful and usually have immortality, to think they don't learn as well as humans because mistakes are much less consequential to them actually makes more sense IMO.
EDIT: Take Zeus in Greek mythology since he's in this movie too, how many times did he cheat on his wife Hera, got found out, and STILL does it?
@@nanaholic01 but my memory of Marvel comics is Thor is intelligent.
There is a difference between being a fool and being foolish.....powerful beings might act foolish because they don't care or worry about what consequences their actions might have but their knowledge is extensive....sometimes in this movie Thor seems like an idiot.
@@iang8169 I wanted super angry pissed off Thor....I though they could have did a better job making Thor mad.....show a couple of his God friends being killed....then maybe having Sif die infront of him while he was trying to save her.
Thor was only angry when he thought Korg was killed.....I wanted to see him fly up and kick Zues ass....just tossing his lightning bolt back into him was sort of blah lol
This wasn't a bad movie but I just suppose I expected more....Gorr as some cosmic evil not an upset father.....Gorr maybe even an Avenger class bad guy....just with Thor universe allies teaming up like Ragnarok....his Sister Hela was pretty bad ass and so was Surtur....both way tougher than a supposed God killer
I COMPLETELY agree with Matt Singer here. Not only is it tonally inconsistent, but it's the cliff notes version of both the Gorr and Jane Foster storylines. Neither one grabs me the way either of them should. Gorr's not scary enough, and Jane's affliction did not resonate with me, the way a cancer storyline should, even though I also know what that's like.
Tonally inconsistent? I guess that just means a movie having more than one tone? If a movie is comedic and has serious moments, then I guess it's tonally inconsistent. You can only have one. Whenever something serious happens in this movie, it is never broken by a joke. Jane's cancer is never joked about. The entire third act with Gorr in shadow realm is never interrupted by a joke. His final confrontation with Etnerity is never broken by a joke. This movie has more restraint than most MCU movies. I think you just hate comedies my guy.
@@garuna5688 Singer's point in the video about Thor finding his good friend missing an arm and cracking a joke was pretty bad though.
Very true
@@kyledahlquist9423 Did you miss the part where he's worried about her, hauls ass to get to her, is glad that she's alive and cracks a joke to lighten her mood?
Well expressed Christopher! With such great actors in this film, it has the potential to be more.
This should have been a disney plus series. You get to explore more of Gorr’s background, more of Thor and Jane’s love story, still enough comedy and we get to see serious savage Thor that we miss from Infinity War. The movie was by no means bad, there was just way too much left in the air regarding his character.
Isn't it weird that the Disney+ series are so much better than the movies now?
The last sentence is exactly what I thought after watching it!
It almost feels like everything could be a series now other than the major event movies
probably right but hmm Thor attracts a big audience so maybe that's why its a movie
Based on the mini arcs a 8 episode series with a big budget would have done it justice.
This would be a great movie to release a Director's Cut, as the original tone of the film was meant to be much darker, more Tragic Love Story, and Marvel intervened to make it more Rom-Com for 'broader appeal'. I think the reason some stuff feels very incongruous is that they had to change a lot after the fact and that's always a bad idea.
That and plus apparently Jeff Goldblum and Peter Dinklage reprised their roles for filming and their parts were cut.
I would love to see a darker version of this movie
@@IcyDiamond "Necro Cut?"
@@amonnanjaku Butcher Cut!
Oh I would love to watch directors cut, would be a single comment of, "and this is where we screwed over all the avid fans and took thier money" *insert evil laugh here*
I spent almost all of 2019 in the hospital. I survived by laughing as often as possible. As someone who, at one point, was literally dying for many months, I found the tonal switches between “cancer” and “jokes” to be 100 on target.
And as a dad, yeah, the end got me too.
The movie was exactly what I expect from Waititi - dark themes attacked with brash humor.
I didn't like the humor in the movie, but I'm glad you're still with us.
It occurs to me that TLaT might have been more wacky than previous movies because the entire movie is ACTUALLY being told by Korg, as he is heard recapping major events (Story of Thor, story of Jane, their relationship, etc) and thus actually an unreliable narrator due to his personality and sometimes more simple-minded views. While the facts remain true enough (Thor learning to roller skate, them living together, etc), things like all the women in the God realm all fainting at the sight of his...err, mighty hammer, could have been hammed up by Korg because of how HE might have felt or just to give the story more entertainment. Meanwhile, all the flashbacks were Korg imagining how Thor and Jane acted (also explains the misspelling of Nick Fury and him having a cell phone despite not knowing how things like email and phones work as mentioned in Ragnarok; yeah it's also a callback to his comedy shorts, but as a narrative perspective that makes more sense). The only times the movie "present time" gets really serious is at the end when Korg isn't there and clearly Thor made sure his retelling the story was accurate. But storytelling plays a major role in the entire movie, with Korg and the followers, Axel and the kids, Thor and the kids, and even Gorr and his child in their religious beliefs.
Very well said, and I can definitely see this being an interpretation of a god through the lens of a disciple. It’s reminiscent of the epochs that used to be passed down through stories told in the olden times.
Telling the story to kids
I see a parallel if Disney pressure caused this 2 hour Family friendly cut resulting from 4 hours of footage that included other god butchering.
Must prepare everyone for young avengers
If this was the case it's the only way they can redeem it.
the spelling of Nick Fury as Furry was an easter egg from the Join Team Thor promo before Civil War. If you haven't seen it I suggest watching it, it was hilarious!
If you liked this you should go check out my REVIEW for Thor love and thunder
“Christian Bale’s arc?!” He had like 4 damn scenes!! He acted great! Story wise: I expected more exploration for his character
That's my problem with marvel movies, I don't watch Hollywood that much, they are like 1 hrs 35 min long not counting credits and post credit scenes. They feel like finale of TV series. Atleast make them 2 hrs long. Idk
I can’t pin it down perfectly, but I didn’t enjoy Love and Thunder. I’d hope to see some real butchering scenes, but no, and agree that the silliness at times was off putting to a story I read in the comics. Forgetting what happened after an hour of seeing the film made me realise I just didn’t connect
That's a great way to put it and you're absolutely right, a good movie leaves me thinking about it afterwards... & that's any quality film, this movie didn't do that for me at all.
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I actually believe this movie could be solved by simply adding a few more moments of sadness to each tragedy: children being kidnapped, Korg body disintegrated, thor finds out Jane has cancer, Valkyrie being stabbed, Jane getting worse with cancer. All of these moments I just wanted to sit with and see Thor sit with the emotion longer. Without that it didn’t feel real. The danger of the kids being harmed didn’t feel real. I actually think it’s a simple fix that would make the comedy of this movie so much more impactful.
Agreed! They were just too quick to move on to the next screaming goats joke or whatever. None of the danger felt real or important.
I think it should've just been the Jane storyline considering the tone of the love & thunder theme. Jane's Mighty Thor and the issues with Zeus could've been a balanced storyline. They really did the Godbutcher storyline a disservice. That should've been the main focus of another film. So the tone wasn't really the main problem, the antagonist just didn't fit.
Exactly. They had to cut Gorr killing other gods scenes. The movie should of focused on one story. Too many plots in a limited amount of time.
Do you think the fans would be okay with Thor taking care of Gorrs daughter if he was shown more as a ruthless God killer?
Yes, the movie should have been longer. However, IMO too many reviewers and casuals have a fixation on Ragnarök to the point I don't even want to hear the word, an obsession trying to make sense of "Phase 4", false expectation of GOTG being in half the movie (despite them clearly leaving in the trailer) and taking themselves and the film way too serious. It's a comic book movie have some fun. Also, the movie is a very smart, detailed movie hidden behind a very goofy facade. That's a Taika joint. Is there fair complaints? Yes. People, including myself, wanted more. We wanted more Gorr and more Jane. The story moves at a breathtaking pace, it could have been extended 30 minutes and let the scenes breathe more. Also, the themes of the movie are great and deep but never fully explored.
" Also, the movie is a very smart, detailed movie hidden behind a very goofy facade."
Yeah you lost me there. There is nothing very smart about this movie. It's a dumb stupid fun movie. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah the themes bit off more than they could chew.
I do what to say the scene with Jane and Thor on the boat that was the best acting I’ve ever seen by Chris hemsworth. More of that.
@@shinkounova8485 I imagine you get lost a lot
@@twiglet2205 Not very clever nor is it a good counter-argument.
I enjoyed most of Love and Thunder, I think where it falls short for me or it feels like a missed opportunity is the character of Gorr. Gorr is a serial killer, he is 'Gorr the God Butcher' and after he kills the first god, his god; Gorr is depicted as less of a butcher and more of a boogey man as the film progresses. One of the things Marvel is having a problem with in phase four (we are in phase four, yes?) is showing and not telling and boy howdy, is that Gorr's problem. We see very little of his mind games, of his murders or his battles. Instead, we see the aftermath, the deed after it is done and then him traumatizing children and this is the exact opposite of Gorr in the comics. I think if we would have gotten two scenes of him felling gods and debating them and their worth as he is doing it, we would SEE him in his corruption and his goal could have been more dynamic. Gorr could have been a Thanos villain in which we, the audience, actually debate our own values and morals when it comes to gods and belief structures. Instead, he is another Dark Elf ala Thor 2.
In my head canon, as Thor debates/battles Zeus, we flash back and forth with Gorr killing/debating a good god or a god that devoted itself to its followers and yet, Gorr STILL kills it. We see the parallels of the two debates and how complicated the issue of being a god can be. Zeus the arrogant All Father vs Jesus or a Sacrificial type of god and our Protagonist and Antagonist debating them for relatability.
I agree with your "show don't tell" point. It also applied to Thor's personal struggles. We kept being told that he was having a hard time figuring out who he was and what he wanted out of life, but we never actually saw him going through any of that.
None of the characters in that film are done well, so it was a missed opportunity in it's entirety.
Joshua, reading your post was more interesting than watching Thor: Love and Thunder.
If I could move this to the top of the comment section I would, but all I can offer is a like.
Another great take. I would've had no problem with this at all.
6.5/10 Not bad, but not great, it had some great emotional beats, but the jokes and humor overshadowed the emotional beats, plus they did the Guardians of the galaxy dirty.
Same problem with Shang Chi, you've got an excellent villain but lacks the time to develop them. It should have been a two part movie Wen Wu and the Legend of Ten Rings, and Shang Chi in the Legend of Ta Lo. And for this it should have been Gorr: Rise of God Butcher and Thor: Love and Thunder.
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Yes on both counts! Love it!
ay shang chi was amazing
Given it was so short, having more Gorr in the first Act would have really worked to set the stakes rather than just giving us a bunch of distress signals. Also, I didn't really like how they basically reset Thor to how he was in Thor 1, it's almost like Ragnarok, Infinity War and End Game didn't happen...they could have told the same story without doing that for the sake of making a few extra jokes.
Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't nearly as strong as Ragnarok.
I didn't think it reset Thor. He closed off his heart because of all the people he cared about dying. His friends, family, etc. This movie taught Thor to open his heart again.
@@tmmnago2722 this movie taught no one anything. Lol
It was a cringefest.
@@tmmnago2722 He's a complete goof at the beginning of the movie and delusional as well. That's not a guy with his "closed off heart", that's the guy from Thor 1 but played up more for laughs.
He's not even close to the "Bring me Thanos" Thor in Infinity War, or the "Let's kill him properly this time" Thor from End Game.
They didn't need to make Thor a goofball to make this movie funny.
@@andrewshandle Some people just try to hide their emotions/push people out by making jokes and acting silly.And I don't know if that's what taika waititi was going for,but for me it didn't feel out of place.
@@andrewshandle do you even understand human emotions ☠️☠️
100% Agree with everything Matt said on this. I love Ragnarok, but am very conflicted on L&T.
Taika Waititi's antics suited the environment of Sakaar, which itself served as a brilliant counterpoint to Hela's and Asgard's imperial majesty. But there's nothing in this story beyond the Guardians that benefits from that wackiness.
As a HUGE fan of Taika’s, I loved it, though as you said, Ragnarok is still one of my favorite MCU films. Some of my friends are among those who just couldn’t get into it. For me those are the films I enjoy talking about - divisive ones. If a film is getting mixed reactions that doesn’t mean it’s “bad” as clearly there are many who like it as well as dislike it. My biggest issue is when people get upset over films and go off online telling others their opinion is the right one. I personally like how phase 4 is giving directors more freedom, of course people are noticing a downside to this as sometimes films or shows feel out of place in the mcu after 11 years. Still, the MCUs success giving more creative freedom to filmmakers is something that makes me happy - especially as a soon-to-be filmmaker myself.
The silliness was fine for me as I left with a smile on my face. My biggest gripe was not getting enough of Gorr. Hela got so much screen time between Thor’s scenes that it built the climax better when they finally had their big confrontation. In this one Gorr just sits around waiting for Thor. I think the film would’ve benefited from seeing Gorr travel around and fight other gods.
Agree with everything you said. Gorr should've gotten more development. And Valkyrie barely had any screentime. I love that Phase 4 is giving more creative freedom to directors.
Wouldn't it have been great if Omnipotent City was decimated by Gorr just after Thor and company leaves (and Zeus is incapacitated). That would be the God Butcherer's ultimate buffet....
Well said! I feel like Marvel has expanded enough that we are now getting movies made for everyone - and some fans are confused by that and don't like it. But it's great for others. I loved LaT while the Cap movies are, personally, some of my least favorite (although I like his character). And that's okay. It should be a "to each their own" situation. Especially because that's how the comic books are. 😊
I'll say this: I enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would. I just had the title and the trailer to base my judgment on. From those, I was not impressed. But because Thor is my favorite Avenger, I figure I would give it a shot. And I was surprised that I liked it as much as I did. Not my favorite Thor movie (that would be Ragnorok), but I was still entertained.
I'm on the same page as Rachel. People needs to go with the flow. I loved every single minute of this movie. That's coming from someone who's a Huge fan of Jason Aaron's run of Thor. I'm just happy to see these characters on the big screen.
I saw Thor's clowning around the way I saw Robin William's clowning around-- a mask on deep sadness and enduring pain.
Yeah, for sure it was too silly, it was the right amount in Ragnarok and came across refreshing. I found myself cringing too much in this one waiting for a scene to get over with too often.
Exactly, especially the beginning with the guardians.
The worst part for me was the damn goats. That was a tired meme a decade ago. If he really must use it again, at least remember the rule of three. Repeating a joke more than three time kills it. (Although for me, the screaming goats joke was already dead on arrival).
"Taserface anyone?" LOL@@testfire3000
So you’re telling me they managed to make time travel possible but can’t find a cure for cancer 😭
I'd have dialed back the comedy by about 30%
How bout no comedy at all
@@kodesh1674 perfectly balanced, as all things should be
i would completely rewrite the script
I don’t know who the man is on the show, not Ryan but I completely disagree.
Even tho it’s the same layout as Ragnarok it’s completely new and it felt fresh..
I loved this film.
I’m guessing the amount of MCU content is bound to bring about so much criticism. I’m confused with the amount of negativity towards this movie but happy to hear the poll taken revealed that most of the viewers liked this movie. I loved it. Ultimately it really seems that the MCU requiem entertainment to Edit these movies down to 2 hours resulted in this movie being edited down to what we got, a (Taika Watiti comedy space adventure). I guess the editing has to happen it just seems that they may have cut off too much Goor with his death and destruction and kept lots of laughs. I’m cool with it but would’ve loved to have more violence
Why is constructive criticism all of sudden perceived as negativity??? The film clearly had a boatload of tonal inconsistencies that hurt the film tremendously. The film is based on a bleak story. Why insert so much comedy into? Why not just do another story altogether instead of serious one??
Movie sucked
Especially when u know that taika said the movie had about 4 hours. So we „lost“ a lot of content due to editing to fit in cinema
Honestly terrible movie. Once again the comic book characters that the fans love have been screwed over with goofy ones. Massive plot holes. So much of the movie didn't make sense at all. Really bad acting. Kids fighting omg wtf is that about. It's one big joke.
@@famousgoldentouch thank god it wasn't 4 hours I couldn't wait for it to end
I almost feel as if Taika Waititi is the 21st century Paul Veerhoven. There's a lot going on in his movies that people just aren't getting now.
One day, retrospective viewings will see them in a different light.
That’s exactly my issue with this newer Thor movie. This man literally lost EVERYTHING and he’s making a joke about everything? Spider-Man lost everything and it proceeded to be emotional and didn’t undermined the emotional part
But then one is a 16 year old human and the other is a 5000 year old space Viking.
@@KangSupreme 5000 year old space viking who, AGAIN, lost everything. Literally right after the other. His mom, his dad, his Asgardian friends, his home, almost all his ppl, his brother, his Avenger friends, then the love of his life. I think time span of 10 years.
@@MrGA555 Yes, but 5000 year old space Viking vs 16 year old teen
I loved the "silliness". I am also a Blazing Saddle, Robinhood Men in Tights, Airplane, Naked Gun, Scary Movie, I'm Going to Get You Sucka, The 3 Stooges, Marx Brothers, Red Skelton, Carol Burnette fan. It's what I was raised on along with my Comics.
GORR NEEDED MORE TIME AND A FULL STORY
Should have been a full movie about him. Give Jane her own film, they glossed over any sad parts about that with screaming goats.
I still definitely put Ragnorok as one of best MCU films and better than L&T. I don't think its fair to say this movie was "too silly", it's a Waititi Film I feel like you have to expect the jokes. I also think the original 4hr cut would've explored the intricate details alot better and made more sense. Overall 7.5/10 for me :)
Nah most of the deleted stuff were just jokes and goofing around that wasnt funny/didnt fit.
It’s too much silliness
Some of the more intricate deleted scenes like Gorr screaming, going around killing gods and exploring some of the mini arcs more would be acceptable. The movie had way too much content which struggled for sub 2 hour movie.
While I’d like to see a 4hr cut, we can’t expect every movie now to be a super extended version; there are filmmakers that can develop a fully fledged story within a shorter running time
Nothing in this movie cohered. Calling the movie "fun" as a way of saying it's somewhat good is like calling getting blackout drunk and attending a meaningful event fun--because getting drunk is supposed to be fun, uh, yeah, uh, I smort.
Wasted characters, completely undermined emotion thanks to overused jokes. Some jokes would've been absolutely fantastic, had they not been thrown in with and at you every excuse to make them. There is nothing good to say about it.
I had no problems enjoying Thor: Love and Thunder.
The know it all critics and naysayers may slam it all they like but the movie stood on its own merits. Depending on what Rotten Tomatoes says or claims to decide to watch a movie or not is like relying on what Oprah’s Book Club to decide to get a book.
People can still think for themselves.
Taika Waititi had a lot thinking that Love and Thunder will end up campy like 1997’s Batman and Robin but if one took time to listen to the dialog the story was fairly good. It wouldn’t have done for it to have been as serious as Dr. Strange In the Multiverse of Madness, and to exactly copy the God Butcher arc would more likely invite comparison to Endgame with the present day Thor, the younger Thor and King Thor all in one film.
Jane Foster as the Mighty Thor was excellent, ditto Christian Bale as Gorr the God Butcher. He said it best: “And how many times have you prayed to your gods and not received an answer?”
. The mid credits with Zeus resenting the fact that people now put their faith in superheroes more than gods sets up a really good throw down between Thor and Hercules.
My Dad currently is battling stage 4 throat cancer and this movie really got to me, never felt anything relatable, I really enjoyed it
I honestly had the same problem with the marvel what if series, the episodes I liked were the one’s they took seriously, and did not fill with a movie worth of jokes. Mainly the zombies episode, way too many dad jokes in that.
We are now seeing the Thor from “What if?” And they failed to mention that to us
Am I the only one that only sees screen crush videos because of Doug? 🤔🤔🤔
No hate to Matt singer, but people react to bad things different, when my grandma died and we were at the funeral, i started to joke around but thats because my default feeling is happiness and joke around, and when you do not know how to feel you go back often to your default feelings, so that Thor joked about Sif losing a arm i understand it fully.
There's a lot of great stuff beneath the surface of the film. Jane going to Valhalla not because she died in the battle, but because her fight vs cancer was a battle. Stormbreaker and Mjolnir were metaphors for Thor and Jane's emotions. The importance of love and childlike imagination in a cynic world. But the humour mostly didnt work which will make people forget about this
No, not really
@@yoryiyork care to explain why
I feel this movie is similar to the Star Wars prequels: a lot of grand material wrapped in an ill-fitting presentation.
"Jane going to Valhalla not because she died in the battle, but because her fight vs cancer was a battle."
She literally only got into Valhalla because died in battle lol. They point this out multiple times throughout the film. Her cancer with battle was a battle of morals and learning what is of utmost importance when your own frail life is at stake.
@@shinkounova8485 Jane died after the physical fight was over. By the same rule Thor quoted to Sif earlier in the movie, that disqualifies her from entry to Valhalla.
I felt ragnarok was us finally becoming friends with thor, after we've been work bros for months. Then love and thunder was just us going on a road trip with him.
I agree with Matt Singer. Perfect explanation of this movie is two halves of an amazing sandwich mushed together. Plus I am sad that Gorr is gone.... Christian Bale did such a good job
One more thing. I liked the ending because it wasn't just about stopping a bad guy ,and the bad guy just killing God s for no reason. All gor wanted was his daughter, and Thor finally reopened his heart for love. So much so to take in the badguy heart, but I do agree it should of been a little more expanded on at the end. Could of definitely been a longer ending. Maybe the seed being planted right after the necropo sword being broken.
Dude, the best Thor yet. As a father, I can tell you nerds who don't understand the journey of a boy to being a man to being a father is the very foundation of the Thor series. So guys without kids or a long enough life to understand how he feels, then they are missing out on it. And the scene at the end had me jumping out my seat it was so good. Also, the whole story was told as a story being told by his friend so the details may have been different.
For the guy who said Thor shouldn’t joke about her arm being in Valhalla that’s your friend… he clearly doesn’t have real close friends
I think as a movie is fun, action packed and dont have any problems. but the majority of the criticism is the fact that taika chose to "adapt" 2 of the most beloved thor stories of the comics and they dont look alike at all.
And that is a fair point too, but, in hindsight, they really shoudnt, because of the maturity of the thor stories in the comics are not the target audience of the disney's MCU
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_In my opinion this movie was just to Disney for me especially when it comes to a profound character like the god of thunder Thor. The making of this video on TH-cam is nothing more than a response to the mixed reviews about this movie: no one expected specifically those who love the movie to receive mixed reviews about the movie, The same thing happened to the movie Eternals but I think they did a great job with that movie plus, no one wants to give a bad review on Thor as they did with the dark world, this guy quickly came out to give excuses for the directors direction, in the next Thor movie I’m hoping we would have directors to take over the Thor character on the silver screen such as The Russo brothers, James Cameron, Chloe Zhao, Sam Raimi or even Zack Snyder or maybe Christopher Nolan himself would take part in the next Thor film as Director; I think Taika David Cohen forgot that you have adults and grown men with high testosterone that like the character came to see the movie too!!_
Totally agree with Rachel. I love how Thor makes jokes in tough emotional situations as his way to cope. Very relatable to myself lol
Relatable to you but not at all who Thor is supposed to be
Yes thank you!! Said it perfectly.
nothing like an ancient god of thunder being relatable to angsty millennials with social anxiety.
Marvel is a crime against humanity.
@@Senumunu quite funny! And I'm not a millennial.
@@melissareynolds6520 you are a cognitive millennial :)
It's actually a fusion Of comedy drama and horror... Every Scene Christian Bale was in Especially the one with the children in the cage... Was like something out of a hellraiser flick... That's what made the scene with the powered up kids so satisfying
You know, I really disliked this movie but I will 100% agree with everything you just said. Lets see Gorr butcher some gods, massively ramp up his screen time, increase the horror, keep a few jokes and that would be a movie I would watch.
Thor pouring beer and petting his hammer is silly.
Goats can’t stop screaming, silly.
Sif loosing her arm and Thor jokes about it, silly.
Valkerie scratching Thor’s nose while he teleports himself is silly.
Zeus is completely silly looking.
First god at the oasis with Gorr is silly.
Alien that looks like chicken is goofy and silly. Many more
Just saw it today for the first time. I wasn't very impressed overall. It was somewhat entertaining, but the beginning felt VERY rushed, and the rest just lacked something that I can't quite put my finger on. The humor felt a bit too much this time around.
"Thor: Ragnarok" is still my favorite. I could watch that movie over and over...this one I have no desire to see again.
Matt said exactly what I couldn’t put my finger on. It was like there were totally different movies. Sadness and Grief against silliness and jokes. I like a roller coaster as much as the next person, but geeze.
Make a thriller/horror movie about Gorr and his god butchering ways. Make a tearjerker movie about Jane, cancer and loss. Make a silly movie for children, hosted by Korg. Don't try to jam all three into one film.
Totally agree with your opinion, Ryan. The movie was light, not THAT funny (IMO), VERY entertaining and explores new parts of the cosmic/larger-than-life Marvel universe that I love. Also, loved the debate format! Keep it up (:
The mighty Thor didn’t deserve the hammer , she didn’t want it to save everyone but to save herself. Which only called to because of Thor
I thought it was good, not as good as Ragnarok--I liked those themes better. I didn't quite connect with Love, the character. But I have heard from some people who are parents that their kids really liked the idea that they could be heroes too (not just with Love but with the empowering of the Asgardian children) so I think this one might skew younger, which isn't a bad thing for Marvel.
Waititi described this as Thor's "mid-life crisis" movie and also a romantic melodrama. I think those are accurate. I'm not sure I need to see another Thor movie. I would like a Valkyrie film with Waititi, maybe. And more puppet aliens. (Help those poor CGI VFX artists + more puppets = win win)
The creature designs were so good!
I needed morr Valkyrie scenes in TLAT
Especially coming off of Dr Strange which was super dark I thought it was a well needed break from the doom and gloom. Actually glad that it doesn’t create all the giant MCU questions and it’s just a good movie without having to immediately lead into something else
My problem is when the audience accidentally laughs when Jane tells him she has cancer. That tells me the movie is unbalanced.
Man apparently I'm very different from the people that were in your theatre
@@xero1134 I'm sure. It's just when you edit a film you have to know mood and balance
@@surgegraphicnovel oh I know, I'm just more surprised people found it funny? I might have just been too connected to that hidden plot point so it wasn't going to be humorous to me, just kinda heartbreaking
@@xero1134 I know what you mean.
They turned Eternity into a god damn genie hahaha
Nothing worked in my opinion...It was like watching 2 diferrent movies at the same time...Kinda made me wish that Gorr was the protagonist, and saw him acutally killing some gods...
I’m sorry but I hate Matt’s take. It feels inch deep. Sure Waititi’s thor is the same kind of character. It wouldn’t have made sense for him not to be since this Thor is both wildly successful and being influenced by the same director. If all the magic of Ragnorok was just in that it was a surprising one time magic trick then this movie was doomed for you no matter what.
I think this movie tells a more interesting story than Ragnorok and does so in a completely fresh and fun way. Without ever feeling preachy it tackles some really interesting ideas about how we express love. That’s just my opinion but I think if the bar is surprising the audience with a new thor character every time then we’re being unrealistic and we aren’t opening ourselves up enough to enjoy the other parts of the story.
Although I enjoyed the film as a whole, I felt Gorr was out of place as a villian.
The God Butcher saga happened to Thor after I got out of buying monthly comics but from my understanding it's a vast, multi year saga.
So it could've been a new trilogy of movies.
I mean a God killer with he power of Thanos with the necro sword (which in the comics is a venom symbiote or somehting, crazy I know) is too small for 1 movie.
The sword was created by the god of the symbiote Knull, and it has the power to kill even celestials but I feel like with Sony owning Venom and I think anything attached to him they have to alter a bit
Can't do it as a trilogy. Chris might not have 3 more movies in him. So it had to be one and done. Now, they should have put more focus in it. I agree with that. Maybe get rid of the other subplots.
I totally agree with Rachel! I loved LaT. Not every movie has to be for everyone.
The so-called "funny moments" continuously interrupt the serious ones. One scene turns into many and it becomes very annoying. This is the first MCU movie in which I actually considered leaving the theater after the first 15 minutes
Lol I was audibly cringing and covering my eyes when dumb stuff was happening. I didn’t even watch the end credit scenes
@@markelliott32 You missed some great end credits.
@@cha0sking220 I was ready to go I’ll wait until they come out on TH-cam
If someone hadn't paid for my ticket to take me there and I had paid for my ticket on my own I would have walked out on that movie after he met and killed the first and only God that we got to see him kill
I agree
The other reviewer that you brought on came across as a disingenuous tool. “I don’t like it because it was similar to the other movie that I liked.”
I loved the movie, but it tried to do _way_ too much in a limited span, and threw way too much new stuff at the audience for my liking. (Major spoilers ahead.)
Introducing Gorr and the Necrosword, Zeus and several pantheons worth of deities (including two more Celestials who were a cool inclusion but also a confusing one- you'd think they'd have bigger concerns than watching Zeus preen his feathers), a new thunderbolt weapon that Thor just takes and uses no problem, Eternity and his wish-granting powers (which just so happen to be locked with the Bifrost of all things, how convenient; and the center of the universe is apparently relatively easy to get to, with Thor getting there with little issue... yet no one thought to use Eternity's wish until right now?), Jane and everything tied to her, Valhalla, and littler but still hitherto-unseen things like Heimdal's son... it's a *lot*, and a fair chunk of these concepts could have used a lot more breathing room or otherwise been cut for future use.
What we got was a fun time, but place the fun element to one side for a moment and analyze the thing, and the movie suddenly looks and feels cobbled together and unfocused.
These videos are always better with just Ryan. Nothing wrong with the guests, just spoiled with how well Ryan presents his ideas.
My main gripes are
1. Gorr was under utilized: as a being who got the name “god butcher” you would think that the other gods would be a bit more serious about it, but they chalked up his kills to being “low level gods”. He also wasn’t as scary as I hoped, though he would’ve played more mind games.
2. The end scenes: mainly Gorrs daughter, she felt out of place at the end, she should’ve been a motivating character and not a two timer. In my opinion, thor isn’t ready to be a dad yet, he still has to much to go through before he is fit.
3. Korg: while I love Korgs character, he felt out of place In the movie. Sounding both sarcastic and joking at the same time. He also doesn’t fit the narrative of the story and he should’ve stayed at Asgard to oversee the place instead of join the others
1. The whole point of this - and the movie in fact - is that the gods are full of themselves and couldn't care less. The time where Gorr met his deity sets this up. And as Ryan had pointed out in the breakdown, this is a social commentary on wealthy elites living in their own little reality bubble not caring about anything else. To make the gods "care more", would in fact, defeat the theme of the movie.
yeah so he killed low level gods right, and the other gods didnt pay attention and then what if he killed a major god or two and then we see the gods become scared and shit and wed be like wow this god buthcer is actually legit. and then the eternity plan was just thrown out there by zeus like we dont even know why zeus knows gorr's plan. what if they showed like zeus was actually scared but woudlnt show it thats why he knows what gorr might do. the movie was rushed i think.
Also this movie shouldn’t just be about Thor. There are so many good characters that were suppose to balance him. We all know that he is hurt but that’s why Jane and Valkyrie are their. They’re the grown ups. Valkyrie should’ve have been so so so so soft and immature. She’s a badass.
I think in this movie, we got to see parts of the "Nordic Viking god Thor"
Careless, making fun of battle and that if you die in battle(as a viking), it doesn't matter as something better awaits in valhalla. But he is also aware that there are different realms/dimensions/afterlifes depending on your beliefs. And that is why he doesn't want Jane to die( and pf course because he loves her).
I really enjoyed it, and had fun.
Just watched it again. This is my top three MCU flicks. It’s great.
Thor lost his mother, father, brother, friends and half of all asgard and the movie jokes about it. Maybe he's trying to hide hide pain by joking about and if he is then atleast address about it. It's as if the past movies events didint even happen.
When ever Christian bale comes on the screen it's intense and felt like something bads gonna happen but the way he's written he is not that intimidating at times. As Matt said a combination of two good things which are bad when combined. Thanos wouldn't like this movie as it's not balanced.
I'm not a fan of the comedy in this movie either but the joke about Lady Sif's arm making it to Valhalla was the only scene my theater actually laughed at
It needed to be less silly.
The Altar of Eternity was a lot like that water world after Thanos snapped. It seemed that both Gorr and Thor had to make a sacrifice to Eternity in order to bring about the resurrection of Gorr’s daughter. Gorr gave up his life and Thor lost Jane Foster.
I just realised that the reaso Gorr did not wish to be with his daughter is that he was too embarrassed to thing that he was worthy of us. He had done so many atrocious things, killed so many gods by that point that he thought himself irredemable and likely to corrupt his daughter if he stayed alive. However on the other hand he sees a god in thor so unlike the ones he encountered, one that is caring and still evolving that he consiously made the choice of leaving her with Thor. I am also not entirely sure if love is 100% his daughter. When she comes back, the reflection on the water is eternity, not his daughter.
As for Thor being silly for most of the film, let's not forget, he is 1500 year old. A sort of cynicism and sillyness is required if you don't want to fall to depression after living for so long.
Furthermore, Thor is also, without realising, making himself stronger. It is established in Moon Knight that the more people believing in a God the more powerful that God becomes. Thor, has ledt the asgardians and is now well knowj throughout the universe, woth many people worshipping him as dofferent kinds of god (Thunder, destruction, etc). I do think that we will eventually see that taking fruit at some point
We open with Korg telling the story of Thor but I think he does it for the whole movie. The whole first fight scene is told with Thor center stage, with no need for the Guardians. Even the way Quill acts and speaks to Thor before they leave seemed a little bit out of character. Most prominent when Jane asks about Eternity and Valkirye looks straight ahead and speaks as if in a play. I dunno, that was my thought when first watching this movie and as I did it put some context, at least in my mind, why the jokes didn’t quite seem to line up with the gravity of the situation. Like in those old movies with Errol Flynn where the hero is cracking jokes as he is being prepared to walk the plank or something dire. Thor Love and Thunder is an adventure story told from the point of view of one of his disciple Korg. I’m going to watch it again and see how or if the dialogue changes when Korg is not in the scene
I think this too. I think that’s why it was too silly. I think that was jus my Korg telling the story in his words which we know he’s silly and funny to us the watchers. It made the movie a little bit better when I realized this an hour after I watched it lol
Given the tone of this movie, I think Christian Bale was a weird choice and I wonder if thats reason why he had so little screen time. I think he did a good job and if they had gone hard R, his portrait would have been amazing. That’s the movie I want to see. But I felt like the tone of this was out of his range a little. Also, he did say in an interview that he did most of his scenes by him self and that’s how it felt watching
Probably did it for his kids
@@charlesludwig8672 and I actually think that’s rad. I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same.
I’ll keep it simple… I enjoyed everything about T.L.A.T
Everything from plot to music 🤘
This review is outstandingly hilarious
One side loves Branagh Thor and the Other Loves the Watiti Thor.
The problem for criticism in these times is that no one loves the Mystery anymore people want it the way they portray it in their selfish minds.
I wanted to see more of Gorr. We should of got to see him kill more gods, we only actually see him kill one at the very beginning so his threat level doesn't really seem that high
I loved the movie, more than Ragnarok. Ragnarok was fun, but Love & Thunder had so much emotion and character growth.
I also lost my mom to cancer, so I could relate to the struggle Jane went through, and the ending was so beautiful I couldn’t help shedding some tears.
I agree with Taika’s philosophy of using laughter to counteract sadness. And Thor is probably one of the most tragic characters in the MCU (along with Wanda). He lost both his parents, his brother, his best friends… the scene with Starlord was played for laughs, but Thor really doesn’t have anyone to love anymore, so for him to find Love at the end of the movie was beautiful.
The humor overall has hit or miss, but I interpreted a lot of it as Thor trying to deal with his pain by putting on a smile and seeing the humor in life.
Yeah, except they already played the "sad Thor has lost everyone" in Endgame when he is in the spaceship with Rocket. They tossed a low-key joke at that and it worked.
But on the flip side, yes I agree with the idea of humor during sadness. It is a great coping mechanism.
So sorry about your mom, friend.
It's a comic.. brought to life... why do people have to hate on something that has a comedic value when the actual storyline in the comics is comedic.. yeh avengerngers and all was serious but thor an hulk and Dr strange have always been fun characters there positive and above the realm of humanity's bounds... thats the point. Watch some taika waititi interviews and you will understand.. you don't have to cry everytime something happens thats the point...
Despite all the criticism, it's still top 15. My personal 9th favorite MCU film
Love And Thunder was great. While watching it, I wouldn't change anything about it. I also wouldn't mind seeing that 4 hour original cut either lol.
Rachel Leishman totally describes my experience. The humor was a little heavy handed sometimes, but I had a lot more sympathy for Gorr than I expected. I was literally crying several times during the movie thinking about my relationship with my mother and my children.
Having humour in a serious movie and I understand how taiko likes to have bit of lights in the darkness. But here, it made Thor look like an idiot and/or a jerk. Because they wanted to force humour, he appeared as careless, inconsiderate,... Like when he destroy the temple and doesn't seem to care. Or whenever he makes a speech that is supposed to be powerful and he just sounds ridiculous, like he was not believing what he was saying, or like he couldn't understand the people he's talking to... To me the silliness of the movie was at the expense of the characters and the story, not at his service.
I loved Love & Thunder, and in your recap of the film you helped me see things I didn’t notice which made me love it even more. Can Taika Waititi just make every movie? He’s so damn good at it.
So…. Did The Rock finally make it into the MCU???
Overall I enjoyed the movie but I had two complaints - 1) We did not see enough of Gorr - those scenes of him self-mutilating by removing his religious tattoos would have been so great. We should have seen him kill a few more gods on-screen instead of just seeing pictures. I mean even the battle where Sif lost her arm - SHOW SOME OF THAT BATTLE! 2) Marvel has been introducing many many gods and afterlife realms recently - the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight, Black Panther, the Dragons in Shang Chi, Celestials, etc. They literally introduced a character with " god butcher" in his name yet he did not mention or attempt to kill any of these recently introduced gods. Killing one of the gods from Moon Knight (for example) before going after Thor would have added some real stakes.
My feelings are: there are things in the third act that are super awesome and I wouldn't change a thing. But it feels like they rushed plot points in the first act. Chekov got to fire his gun at the end, boy did he. And that gun was there in the first act....but, not all the chambers in the revolver had a bullet. And that ending was a pistol twirl, shoot six shots in the air, pistol twirl again, and holster it. But you ask yourself, "Was that six shots, or only three. Might have been four. I'm sure I didn't hear a fifth"
you really wrote all that just to say something as corny as that
I went to watch L&T with low expectations, based on people's reactions, but I liked it a lot more than even Ragnarok. The movie is aware of itself and it's goofiness, but still strikes really hard with it's feelings. Jane is the best female character in the entire mcu, it's the first time I felt there was a feminist character not being forced in a role (like Captain Marvel, which felt even more patriarchal than other women in the mcu). Here, Jane can be strong, heroic but she is free to be silly or lose a battle, she and thor feel really at the same level without the movie having to remind us about it every second.
I always appreciate your critique. You dive deeper into the emotions and motivations of the characters and the lore. Most critics are focusing on how they felt while watching the movie and what should be criticized. Most viewers want to be entertained- hopefully.
Spot on. Ryan is the best.
It cured the problem of Bathos in Marvel films. It kept on prodding and poking for laughs and chuckles, as it should. It humanizes the vibe with all the silliness, while still going serious with certain scenes’ mood when needed. It’s how to fix the burden of Thor being a god and someone who’s unrelatable; this still remains the problem for most DC franchise characters. DC characters are too much of gods among men and not enough of us to connect with. Such that, we are left to spectate. Thor’s first film humanized him when he fell from grace and was cast down to Earth. The 2nd film’s screenplay was burdened by Thor’s own mythos. Being a god once again, Thor’s story was how his life is as a god of Asgard that deals with the fantastical and mythical. There was no way to scale that grandiosity down. This is where Marvel is treading carefully as well I think with the multiversal war endgame. It’s putting bits in pieces that people might not easily appreciate right now because everything’s fragmented (and maybe people who don’t get things easily already have this air of disappointment to why this grand design doesn’t seem so easy to grasp). Can you imagine heavily complex intersectional plots being comprehensible to complainants like them? It could only go sourer if the bigger plot was dumped on them because dealing with space and time across multiverses goes all over and not as straightforward as the Infinity Saga. Going back to Thor, I think his personal saga is the best among MCU characters. His character growth is the most complete through all the films he’s appeared in. Even as a god, he’s shown his flaws and arrogance, but also has been depicted to be on his path to true grace like his father, Odin, who ruled with grace and kindness (even taking in and raising the child of his sworn enemy). His vulnerability humanizes him, as he could be depicted as the best of us (what humans could be) despite so much personal loss, that he’s really left with nothing (Jane just died too). Despite his personal tragedies, he treks forward to personal realizations and maturity. And in context given all his films, he’s the most inspirational.
I liked the movie, but my issue with it was the pacing. I didn't think it was too silly. With Gorr was in it more though
Ryan, I can respect your perspective, but it doesn't change the fact that I left the theater after watching this movie feeling let down.
I loved it. I’m tired of this ‘darker wanna be MCU’. As you see it it’s perfect. It’s serious enough, in the stories and sub-plots it tell…
This is honestly a really refreshing and fabulous take.
No idea what all the "ehh its okay" is about. Understandable that people want something different, but what kind of different? I feel like this IS Thor now. He learned to adapt to our current society. Where else can his character go, in this darker serious tone? IDK, I loved it. They need to release the 4 hour cut.
Darker wanna be MCU? The MCU has literally never been known for that. That was DC's take not Marvel's. Where is this even coming from? Lol
@@shinkounova8485 Exactly. What “dark” MCU movie is there?
Of course he'd make jokes about Siff losing her arm. He doesn't have the emotional maturity to be compassionate in the heat of the moment, and he's used Asgardians coming back whole again if they want. Please consider the world building that has been set-up already
I didn't really liked Ragnarok (except for Hela) so I share the same thing with this one
And for the super hero genre, I find James Gunn a better director than Taika Waititi when it comes to balance serious topics with comedy and lighthearted moments (GotG and Suicide Squad 2 especially)
Marvel also wasted Gorr like they usually waste their villains, the character was only saved because of Bale's performance
Loved Rachel’s opinion! I thought it was amazing and was crying at the end
I loved this movie. This movie is gif and meme bait with some good heart felt beats in the middle and some decent action. It’s not really a great film but it is a lore dump that adds to the legend of Thor.