Currently running Proxmox in prod. 7 nodes, 100 cores, 704GB of memory, ~200TB of storage. Works great, meets all of our needs well, extremely flexible and simple to admin, and because it's just debian underneath, I can more or less throw whatever hardware into the cluster and it works. Remember, Proxmox = Debian + KVM + GUI + Scripts, so, not too different than skipping the GUI bit and rolling your own KVM setup, except doing that you have much less support if you need it, and, much harder to hire useful help without potentially extensive training.
Got proxmox 8.1.1 with xfce4 desktop ,on a Z800 12 CORE, 3Ghz xenons 150 Gig ddrr3 and20Tb rust/ssd in BTRFS raid 10 ,as been runing filesystem in Fedora37,8 and 9 with BTRFS Assistant. and its in the Kernel . Thanks 4 a good program, Chris, Regards from UK.
This video is basically you coming to the realization that proxmox is not inferior to XCP. The difference between them is if you have hired professionals yourself or if you want to outsource support.
Great video! Thanks! Regarding the loss of terminal session clicking away from the WebUI: You can use "tmux" or "screen" to reattach your lost session 🙂
I moved from VMware 6.7 to XCP-ng to Proxmox over the course of 2 months in early 2023. Have not looked back and have had zero issues since moving to Proxmox. My biggest complaint is I cannot point Proxmox at a folder I already have full of ISO files and have Proxmox consume them like I could in VMware.
FYI: With iSCSI MPIO you don't need or should use Link aggregation. it's not needed. LACP, etc is for LAN traffic Also most NAS solutions have a iSCSI target so creating a LUN is super easy. Also adding a local disk if not use ZFS in part needs to be done at the node. Then added to the Datacenter as "Directory"
The old foot in mouth routine… we have all been there. Use what works, and work with what you use. Proxmox in production is fine under certain conditions, and when it isn’t, it isn’t. Move on to a more enterprise support driven solution! Time is money.
01:16 - Sorry, but you are completely wrong in that regard. I have install Proxmox professionaly for years now, cover a long range of market, enterprise or not. Proxmox is great and works pretty well.
@@kylechase4621 it's not really relevant since we backport drivers. Our kernel is not your usual distro kernel (like in Debian or CentOS), so you can't easily infer if it will work or not on some specific hardware. Also, it's the same Linux kernel between 8.2 and 8.3. But there's is some diff in terms of drivers included or not.
Why is Proxmox only good for hobbyists and why won't we ever see Proxmox in the business realm? What makes Xen/VMWare/Nutanix/Hyper-V better for the business realm?
Simple, people that say that never tried to use proxmox to that degree with the buil-in hyperconverged ceph cluster. In short lack of knowledge and effort to learn and deep dive in it. Some say they prefer to install controller separately to manage the headless nodes with XCP, thinking that you cant manage your full nodes and clusters from any proxmox server instance, and cant see that having as many controller as proxmox server as benefit, like having web gui and controller elements will eat resources to a point that it matters (its not). These people usually started back in the days with xen server and stick with its evolution as possible. The industry as far as I see already decided for while that it goes with KVM (which proxmox also uses), xen is still popular but shows its old side here and there. I will not explain further search for "Proxmox vs xcp-ng reddit" you will find a reddit thread with this exact title: Proxmox vs xcp-ng.
The illusion, that you can call a support hotline when something goes wrong and the illusion of warranties. At least that's what our CFO told me (although he firmly believes the illusion)
I'm using Proxmox in business with a few clients running Windows Server as VM . SMB server, ZFS snapshots, backups every day. Works fine in business. Don't know what Chris is on about.
What are you thinking givin your initial Proxmox perspective which I strongly agree with as Proxmox is great but by the time you properly scale it, you've recreated Rancher. Why Not use Rancher/ Harvester. Fail to understand the aversion to Suse based projects especially given your positive feedback when utilizing the project in the past. OR If you want $0 product cost & enterprise scaleable then OpenStack's MicroStack is the way to go.
I tested harvester and it’s nowhere near ready for prime time. Not stable enough for real enterprise production environments. It’s unfortunate but I will revisit it maybe 5 years or so.
Chris do what I "borrowed of the net" I HAD TO HAVE A gUI ON TOP OF pROXMOX . So it runs xfce4 gui gdmlight, and chromium. and works a freekin treat a 1 box solution.Proxmox 8,1.1 rons BTRFS raid10 20Tb, built for music production on a Z800 12 core 150gig ddr3 ram.thanks 4 the show been watching 4 years.jon
"If you are a business you won't set up proxmox" My whole TH-cam feed changed to: proxmox vs XCP-NG after watching 1 video... and a lot did end up with Proxmox as their choice. Interesting, right ?
If you're not using some kind of OFM, like Total Commander on Windows, or mc on Linux, you're doing it wrong. Tried and true. Two panels, one command line, standardized keyboard shortcuts.
I love proxmox but he is right. Proxmox does not provide the same level of support compared to the competitors so they will never really take off. they need to work outside their German time zone if they want to grow market share.
To a large extent he is right, I have seen it out in the field but I've never seen it in the datacenter (not saying no one uses it there, just that I haven't seen it myself) and the companies I have seen it at are usually on the smaller side.
Currently running Proxmox in prod. 7 nodes, 100 cores, 704GB of memory, ~200TB of storage. Works great, meets all of our needs well, extremely flexible and simple to admin, and because it's just debian underneath, I can more or less throw whatever hardware into the cluster and it works.
Remember, Proxmox = Debian + KVM + GUI + Scripts, so, not too different than skipping the GUI bit and rolling your own KVM setup, except doing that you have much less support if you need it, and, much harder to hire useful help without potentially extensive training.
so proxmox is like a wordpress for hypervisors?
@@tanmaypanadi1414yeah, except it's not shit
@@night_h4nter Exactly.
Perfect timing as always! My plan was to deploy Proxmox within my homelab this weekend.
Started watching thinking i needed to look at xcp... Ended thinking how happy i am i installed proxmox last week.
Got proxmox 8.1.1 with xfce4 desktop ,on a Z800 12 CORE, 3Ghz xenons 150 Gig ddrr3 and20Tb rust/ssd in BTRFS raid 10 ,as been runing filesystem in Fedora37,8 and 9 with BTRFS Assistant. and its in the Kernel . Thanks 4 a good program, Chris, Regards from UK.
This video is basically you coming to the realization that proxmox is not inferior to XCP.
The difference between them is if you have hired professionals yourself or if you want to outsource support.
Great video! Thanks!
Regarding the loss of terminal session clicking away from the WebUI: You can use "tmux" or "screen" to reattach your lost session 🙂
Virtualisation types:
Type 1: bare metal
Type 2: on a top of an OS
Nested Virtualisation : a hypervisor on a top of another hypervisor.
Total Commander is my choice for file management.
I moved from VMware 6.7 to XCP-ng to Proxmox over the course of 2 months in early 2023. Have not looked back and have had zero issues since moving to Proxmox. My biggest complaint is I cannot point Proxmox at a folder I already have full of ISO files and have Proxmox consume them like I could in VMware.
FYI: With iSCSI MPIO you don't need or should use Link aggregation. it's not needed. LACP, etc is for LAN traffic Also most NAS solutions have a iSCSI target so creating a LUN is super easy. Also adding a local disk if not use ZFS in part needs to be done at the node. Then added to the Datacenter as "Directory"
The old foot in mouth routine… we have all been there. Use what works, and work with what you use. Proxmox in production is fine under certain conditions, and when it isn’t, it isn’t. Move on to a more enterprise support driven solution! Time is money.
01:16 - Sorry, but you are completely wrong in that regard. I have install Proxmox professionaly for years now, cover a long range of market, enterprise or not. Proxmox is great and works pretty well.
Next time set the CPU as host, it will increase the speed immensly
Hey there! XCP-ng/Xen Orchestra founder here. What kind of hardware exactly is it? (to see if I can reproduce your issue).
Looks like a Beelink GTR7 with 32 GB RAM.
@@kylechase4621 Thanks. I wonder if our latest 8.2.1 ISO might boot on it 🤔
@@olivierlambert4101 What version is the kernel in 8.2.1?
@@kylechase4621 it's not really relevant since we backport drivers. Our kernel is not your usual distro kernel (like in Debian or CentOS), so you can't easily infer if it will work or not on some specific hardware.
Also, it's the same Linux kernel between 8.2 and 8.3. But there's is some diff in terms of drivers included or not.
Ryzen 7840HS
Why is Proxmox only good for hobbyists and why won't we ever see Proxmox in the business realm? What makes Xen/VMWare/Nutanix/Hyper-V better for the business realm?
Simple, people that say that never tried to use proxmox to that degree with the buil-in hyperconverged ceph cluster. In short lack of knowledge and effort to learn and deep dive in it. Some say they prefer to install controller separately to manage the headless nodes with XCP, thinking that you cant manage your full nodes and clusters from any proxmox server instance, and cant see that having as many controller as proxmox server as benefit, like having web gui and controller elements will eat resources to a point that it matters (its not). These people usually started back in the days with xen server and stick with its evolution as possible. The industry as far as I see already decided for while that it goes with KVM (which proxmox also uses), xen is still popular but shows its old side here and there. I will not explain further search for "Proxmox vs xcp-ng reddit" you will find a reddit thread with this exact title: Proxmox vs xcp-ng.
I's already used in business. I think he's probably speaking from his experience
The illusion, that you can call a support hotline when something goes wrong and the illusion of warranties. At least that's what our CFO told me (although he firmly believes the illusion)
I'm using Proxmox in business with a few clients running Windows Server as VM . SMB server, ZFS snapshots, backups every day. Works fine in business. Don't know what Chris is on about.
Well, Proxmix seems to be used even by my Gov
Ubuntu's LXD is pretty darn good. Offering bare metal containers sharing kernel with host and VM's / QEMU
What are you thinking givin your initial Proxmox perspective which I strongly agree with as Proxmox is great but by the time you properly scale it, you've recreated Rancher.
Why Not use Rancher/ Harvester. Fail to understand the aversion to Suse based projects especially given your positive feedback when utilizing the project in the past.
OR
If you want $0 product cost & enterprise scaleable then OpenStack's MicroStack is the way to go.
I tested harvester and it’s nowhere near ready for prime time. Not stable enough for real enterprise production environments. It’s unfortunate but I will revisit it maybe 5 years or so.
Thanks for the tip in re Rancher / Harvester. Techno Tim did a nice vid on setting it up so that's a good endorsement to at least check it out.
Chris do what I "borrowed of the net" I HAD TO HAVE A gUI ON TOP OF pROXMOX . So it runs xfce4 gui gdmlight, and chromium. and works a freekin treat a 1 box solution.Proxmox 8,1.1 rons BTRFS raid10 20Tb, built for music production on a Z800 12 core 150gig ddr3 ram.thanks 4 the show been watching 4 years.jon
Awesome
"If you are a business you won't set up proxmox"
My whole TH-cam feed changed to: proxmox vs XCP-NG after watching 1 video... and a lot did end up with Proxmox as their choice.
Interesting, right ?
how is xcp-ng different from all the other bare-metal hypervisor? like ESXI and Proxmox?
If you're not using some kind of OFM, like Total Commander on Windows, or mc on Linux, you're doing it wrong. Tried and true. Two panels, one command line, standardized keyboard shortcuts.
In the Professional field, you dont see Proxmox... -> proceed with downloading Beta version of XCP-ng
Have you tried Incus?
NixOS is great for schools that know Chromebooks are bad and decide to put Linux on old Lenovo Thinkpads.
Fanboy xcpng couldnt get it spun up. Proxmox installs in less than 3 minutes on those machines.
"youll never see proxmox in the professional environment" not true, proxmox is very useful in the professional environment
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54:56 you should do that, lol
Im impatient, that's why I like spiny wheeles...so I know it's not frozen
Better tell work to change their root password 🤣Also, What was under your network storage????
"In the professional field you dont see Proxmox ..." .... What did this guy smoke tonight?
I love proxmox but he is right. Proxmox does not provide the same level of support compared to the competitors so they will never really take off. they need to work outside their German time zone if they want to grow market share.
To a large extent he is right, I have seen it out in the field but I've never seen it in the datacenter (not saying no one uses it there, just that I haven't seen it myself) and the companies I have seen it at are usually on the smaller side.
28:54 ...🐣
lol!!!
You are sleeping on proxmox
10¨00 Get a quadro then and use one.