Getting many. Just reorganized my studio. I apologize for commenting on other stuff before I said that. I didn’t mean to be rude. By “focus on work,” I meant you already do and you won’t need anyone’s help. …and planning on getting samples and the collab asap. For real. Have a great day ~ stefan
Not just on beat stars. I even experienced Universal/ Interscope asking their songwriters to copy melodies in order to cut out young songwriters/producers not signed to them. Literally experienced this twice already with one client.
@@DJPain1 One of the most famous examples is the theme to Mortal Kombat. The sample comes from a once popular song called Twilight Zone by 2 Unlimited and this was admitted by the maker of the Mortal Kombat Theme. The Mortal Kombat beat you hear at sporting events is that sample so I don't know who gets the money when that sample is played. Anyways the only credits on the theme song, called Techno Syndrome, is Oliver Adams and The Immortals. I guess the only credit is in the title Mortal Kombat II Unlimited.
Bundle of rights every composer/producer/songwriter is entitled to them as soon as that idea is in a fixed and tangible form. I think every producer should look into copyright law and music publishing truly an important and crucial topic to understand to protect yourself and get what you are owed.
I'd venture to say 90% of the beatstars consumers don't even read the paraphrase agreement. You could sell a beat with your tag still on it and they wouldn't know until it's too late.
If the rappers think that they make 🔥 songs without Poducers or Beatmakers. They need to do a WHOLE accappella album. Kinda like what 3000 did with the flute. 🤷🏾♂️
I'm sure very soon you can purchase a service that can identify your song being used by someone without your authorization. TH-cam is already using AI to identify songs uploaded in an entire mix. It can even identify bad quality uploads like on the channel Tape Deck Wreck for instance where it was an old hip hop show from 1979 recorded live.
"A lot of people don't realize they're doing something wrong." Yeah, they do. No one is dumb enough to think reselling a beat as their own creation is ok. They're just hustling and playing dumb.
could NFT´s solve this problem? i mean everything is tracked on the blockchain, so there is a chance that you can 100% prove that you are the one who made the beat,sample pack what ever. i think that NFT´s could be an answer for this problem in the future, maybe im totaly wrong, but i see chances :) what you think?
Creating beat tapes and uploading them to DSP's and leasing them is something i only wanna do, and i guess that would stop most of the BS but would that cause issues with artist when they upload one of those leased tracks?
@@DJPain1 tbh that answer confuses me a bit. Maby I am using the term content-id wrong. I am refering to services like beatstarts-id and distrokid, etc.
@@DJPain1 just basic questions for the uninformed (me). Why would anyone buy a licensed beat is a question about the advantages the buyer gains - how can they use it without violating the producer's rights?
@@tzodearf2596 your original question was ‘why would somebody buy a license for a beat’ which is a totally different question. To answer your question, because they’re being scammed
16:32 ain't it odd how the truth affects sensitive ppl?? I suppose they'd rather be lied to, run thru the mud, have money lost, than just have it all laid out upfront.. ppl are frigging funny man 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@DJPain1I’m sorry that happened to you bro these fake artists are vultures. You know the song classic man is a plagiarized version of my song Sassy the lead melody was changed to a base line. Found that out this year.
He stole beats and cut out the composers completely? Or he produced sessions with session players and co-writers who retained their equity after signing an agreement with him? 🤔
@@DJPain1 lord finesse, daz,DJ quick etc weren't credited thier composition on many records and have stated as such by them. Being a "session player" who gets paid $5000 to help drecbeat like Mel man doesn't negate your composition rights, now dre owns masters of session which he can sell as song but he should not refuse Co writer/composition right$ to them 💡
You can sell beats with anything you want. You could sell a whole tag in fact. But we’re not telling people to sell tagged beats in this video just to be clear
I dont understand the industy ive been trying since befor sound click days .. myspace removed my beats when they changsd over. I realy dont understand anything and have been making music for over 20 years! Someone please help me. If you know what your talking about! Ive been listening to this chanelmand still dont underetand . You guys get me to wat h content but i dont stillmunderstad jack!
Bro specially the paypal chargeback.. I tried the tracking number receipt trick by mailing it to their address .. dint work ... customer won. $150 gone.. isnt there any way to ban those email?
How did you go about it? You provided the tracking info, told PayPal the person was scamming and they still didn’t honor their seller protection terms?
@@DJPain1 yes I uploaded the BS receipt and told them customer got the licence as well as the beat. paypal said case is pending with the buyer's financial institution (Bank). after few days i checked in case has been closed in buyers favor. And the problem with this is that in that beat 2 people were on loop. So i got 50% they got 25 25.. so i had provided the tracking number of the $75 but the remaining loopmakers share that is 37.5 each .. that was not included in the receipts. I think that created a complexity. Thats what I think has hapenned. but i have heard few prod.s in the past loosing money this way. I am searching for ways to ban their emails in my store.
And one more thing. There was written that seller protection not elligible. I think they dont provide seller protection for digital products. Even if i somehow later add tracking info. I used the method you described in one of your videos. But that was 2 years back. I think paypal policies have changed
Yes. Scale it up times millions with traceable sub audible metadata? There is an optional service on many platforms to track the sub audible tags and cross reference them to see who made them and if it is licensed, if not, royalties to you. It’s an additional cost that works for you, now. So they get a tagged banger that goes platinum? Ok. If it’s sub audibly tagged on public platforms? Bonus. No dispute, no call, no email,…wish them the best and collect the royalties. …and yes I figured that out by watching people reverse engineer that to happen on purpose and they started retiring (um, sketchy, yes)…I’ll email, if you have more questions. No pitch, I had a similar problem: it can get deep fast. Royalty protection service? People rereleasing licensed anything do you a favor, every time. This is not applicable to everyone. Just established, known, big producers with gold and platinum albums, like you. Observation, not compliment. Respectfully ~ stefan
@@DJPain1 Respect. Not an argument. It’s a book within a book that is in the preferences set in paid, auxiliary, and built in tools. You and I as normal people getting started, it’s like your advice to not register beats. Excellent advice. Me? Not going to need this with beats for a while. However, there is a tipping point where we are equal in the eyes of the divine and we are not equal when you have beats being taken frequently. To be clear, there are many ways to do this and it is a form of income for some people who use strategies we do not. The legit way to get paid is not technically royalties. You are precise and correct and I like that about you. Thank you. No. Not royalties. However. In TH-cam, it is called “The Copyright Match Tool.” It is technical and not accessible easily. It is there. Labels can use these tools like doing ballet on a trampoline, reading a paper, and drinking coffee, blindfolded, while sleep walking. It doesn’t do royalties. In some cases (especially when there are source files and sub audible tags to quickly prove to a platform you own and originated)? They will direct ad revenue to you on the major platforms. It is a mental backflip and not worth thinking about until it is a daily thing. That is first. Then there is an opt in service on Distrokid. A label can run a mid level artist through the release gauntlet where they know the work will be taken and make more off that artist than they could with their music. Mental backflips and worse situations for me to get here. And for the situation you are describing? With sub audible tags and an extra fee? The service on Distrokid is called "TH-cam Content ID." Working with the first tool, mentioned above, on TH-cam? This service figures out who is doing what and coordinates directing ad revenue to you. Some labels distribute through their own and Distrokid to have that service. None of what I’m saying is hypothetical. Used unethically? I don’t do that. I don’t think about it. Used ethically with the correct settings there and in the administration sections of the major platforms? There is legal compensation without a lengthy copyright suit (3 years and you know how much), provided we are talking about a whale beat and loop maker that is getting copied by beat factories outside copyright jurisdiction. The oh sh__ on that final detail. The icing on the cake and proof there is, as you said, no way to collect royalties on the majority of work appropriated…unless it is published on public platforms with these services. Not easy to find. I am sure major labels know people in these departments by name. It’s a marathon, not a set of sprints. Right now? Some people call it quickening. Some call it brinking. I tend to think it is the cumulative effect of doing this every day till it is part of us, like putting on our shoes. Whatever you call it? If you look at the waves and frequency? You have big stuff happening. That is where it gets complicated. I’m sure you will figure it out as you focus on the work. Best ~ stefan
Grab my soulful sample packs here: djpain1beats.com/sound-kits/soul-samples-vintage-supreme-166605
Getting many. Just reorganized my studio. I apologize for commenting on other stuff before I said that. I didn’t mean to be rude. By “focus on work,” I meant you already do and you won’t need anyone’s help. …and planning on getting samples and the collab asap. For real. Have a great day ~ stefan
@@metacouturelooking forward to working with you 🙏🏽
Not just on beat stars. I even experienced Universal/ Interscope asking their songwriters to copy melodies in order to cut out young songwriters/producers not signed to them. Literally experienced this twice already with one client.
Damn how do u stop stuff like dat from happening? I hope u filed a law suit. That’s not cool.
Who?
Happened to me as well. It hurts.
@@hitzoneproductions7858 who?
@@DJPain1 One of the most famous examples is the theme to Mortal Kombat. The sample comes from a once popular song called Twilight Zone by 2 Unlimited and this was admitted by the maker of the Mortal Kombat Theme. The Mortal Kombat beat you hear at sporting events is that sample so I don't know who gets the money when that sample is played. Anyways the only credits on the theme song, called Techno Syndrome, is Oliver Adams and The Immortals.
I guess the only credit is in the title Mortal Kombat II Unlimited.
Damn buying beats on beatstars and reselling them is pure low life behavior
The worst part is, a lot of people respect it as legitimate business
Always lead with kindness and positivity!! i definitely need to remember this more...
As always, Pain, you got another banger here!
Always Love
I appreciate that
Video cuts out at 20:13 .. Hope to get to see the rest!
yea i was confused thought my internet went out but the preview is blacked out too
It’s supposed to end there, the extra space isn’t supposed to be there though
@@DJPain1 dafuq what about the rest of the conversation?
@@ehvmixedit it’s a different topic. Part two coming soon. Be cool
@@DJPain1 😂
Whenever people ask me questions about anything i send them link to your channel. You answered a lot of everybody's questions. Salute to you brother
Appreciate you
Yeah great video as always
What is real will prosper, nothing else
We hope
Hey Pain, super relevant topic as always! Just to let you know the stream cuts off halfway.
It’s supposed to cut there but there’s extra space at the end for some reason
Excellent content
Much appreciated
Bundle of rights every composer/producer/songwriter is entitled to them as soon as that idea is in a fixed and tangible form. I think every producer should look into copyright law and music publishing truly an important and crucial topic to understand to protect yourself and get what you are owed.
I'd venture to say 90% of the beatstars consumers don't even read the paraphrase agreement. You could sell a beat with your tag still on it and they wouldn't know until it's too late.
@16:00 I remember watching that video too misinformation is dangerous!
So dangerous
Big up DJ Pain nothing but respect from North Carolina
Thank you 🙏🏽
Thank you for shedding light on scamstars!
I wonder if all the people stealing from beatstars users call themselves scamstars
@@DJPain1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol, ikr
If the rappers think that they make 🔥 songs without Poducers or Beatmakers. They need to do a WHOLE accappella album. Kinda like what 3000 did with the flute. 🤷🏾♂️
thanks for the share
Thanks for watching
Laziness at it best, those don't deserve to call themselves producers
I think they just want the money tbh
I feel like I brought this topic of beat theft to Kloudnines attention not to long ago on twitter he didn’t realize people were doing that too
People are sick out here evidently
I'm sure very soon you can purchase a service that can identify your song being used by someone without your authorization. TH-cam is already using AI to identify songs uploaded in an entire mix. It can even identify bad quality uploads like on the channel Tape Deck Wreck for instance where it was an old hip hop show from 1979 recorded live.
Beatstars has BeatID, although I've never used it and can't vouch for it's efficiency.
But who will this technology be meant for?
@@XLBeats810 BeatID catches thieves, but no technology will automatically block unauthorized usage like that
@@DJPain1 it will be meant for artist who want to cyber protect their property.
@@Sneakycat1971 so far it hasn’t been
"A lot of people don't realize they're doing something wrong." Yeah, they do. No one is dumb enough to think reselling a beat as their own creation is ok. They're just hustling and playing dumb.
A lot of people including the producers think this is how business works
@@DJPain1 They think business is taking credit for someone else's work?
Yes, they absolutely do. @@verbone
@@DJPain1 Damn, that's sad. Maybe this is what happens when people devalue creativity.
could NFT´s solve this problem? i mean everything is tracked on the blockchain, so there is a chance that you can 100% prove that you are the one who made the beat,sample pack what ever.
i think that NFT´s could be an answer for this problem in the future, maybe im totaly wrong, but i see chances :) what you think?
We could solve it right now without any web3 tech
Creating beat tapes and uploading them to DSP's and leasing them is something i only wanna do, and i guess that would stop most of the BS but would that cause issues with artist when they upload one of those leased tracks?
Yep, that’s why I don’t do it
I dont get why people are even able to upload beats they dont own. Ain't this what content-id is suppose to prevent?
ContentID is just meant to make money for huge companies
@@DJPain1 tbh that answer confuses me a bit. Maby I am using the term content-id wrong. I am refering to services like beatstarts-id and distrokid, etc.
It's only for TH-cam as well.
Why do these videos end abruptly?! These no link to join a podcast or something to hear the rest lol
I'm assuming they both got sniped for calling out producers reselling beats 😂
They got too close to the truth 😮
Why buy a license for a beat? What are three easy ways to get educated about the issues discussed in this video?
Pardon?
@@DJPain1 just basic questions for the uninformed (me). Why would anyone buy a licensed beat is a question about the advantages the buyer gains - how can they use it without violating the producer's rights?
@@tzodearf2596 your original question was ‘why would somebody buy a license for a beat’ which is a totally different question. To answer your question, because they’re being scammed
@@DJPain1 ah. The explicit truth - it sounded like a scam but was presented like it may be a legitimate enterprise, even on Beatstars - thanks
@@tzodearf2596it has nothing to do with beatstars ftr
16:32 ain't it odd how the truth affects sensitive ppl?? I suppose they'd rather be lied to, run thru the mud, have money lost, than just have it all laid out upfront.. ppl are frigging funny man 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I can’t wrap my head around it 🤷🏽
Yep it’s true my beats were stolen from top rap and r&b artists and claimed like they made it.
who?
Ok I’ll name one Lil Flip. There’s others though
@@dave3987 damn he took credit for the beat too?! Jim Jones stole my unmixed demo beat from a studio and sold it to E1
Do you have time to chat rather not on here. How can I get in contact with you?
@@DJPain1I’m sorry that happened to you bro these fake artists are vultures. You know the song classic man is a plagiarized version of my song Sassy the lead melody was changed to a base line. Found that out this year.
10:20 fix the problem
Bro @DJPain, How do we protect our stuff??
We discussed in the video
4:46 ironic cuz later Dre did that
He stole beats and cut out the composers completely? Or he produced sessions with session players and co-writers who retained their equity after signing an agreement with him? 🤔
@@DJPain1 lord finesse, daz,DJ quick etc weren't credited thier composition on many records and have stated as such by them. Being a "session player" who gets paid $5000 to help drecbeat like Mel man doesn't negate your composition rights, now dre owns masters of session which he can sell as song but he should not refuse Co writer/composition right$ to them 💡
Had that happen a few times
A few? Wow
hey DJ Pain, the stream cuts off halfway through....just wanted to let you know. Good topic of discussion though.
I know, I clipped it, it's gonna take time for TH-cam to fix it
I see it on TH-cam all the time Beats being Recycled
The same beat being stolen and resold?
UM sure A.I. can track out beats so you can removw tags. if i'm not mistakin, Beat Stars dont let you sell beats with tags.
You can sell beats with anything you want. You could sell a whole tag in fact. But we’re not telling people to sell tagged beats in this video just to be clear
they re sellem with or without tags or whatever else.@@DJPain1
most of the video is blank towards the middle end.
It’s supposed to end there. Have to trim off the blank dpace
@@DJPain1 was hoping for more hahahah
@@playeveryday01part two is next, different topic though
I dont understand the industy ive been trying since befor sound click days .. myspace removed my beats when they changsd over. I realy dont understand anything and have been making music for over 20 years! Someone please help me. If you know what your talking about! Ive been listening to this chanelmand still dont underetand . You guys get me to wat h content but i dont stillmunderstad jack!
whoa
dont know how you manage to stay calm bro 😂 you deserve a million dollars only for your patience lol im traumatized by some comments
I agree. I check my mailbox every day for that million dollar check
Bro specially the paypal chargeback.. I tried the tracking number receipt trick by mailing it to their address .. dint work ... customer won. $150 gone.. isnt there any way to ban those email?
How did you go about it? You provided the tracking info, told PayPal the person was scamming and they still didn’t honor their seller protection terms?
@@DJPain1 yes I uploaded the BS receipt and told them customer got the licence as well as the beat. paypal said case is pending with the buyer's financial institution (Bank). after few days i checked in case has been closed in buyers favor. And the problem with this is that in that beat 2 people were on loop. So i got 50% they got 25 25.. so i had provided the tracking number of the $75 but the remaining loopmakers share that is 37.5 each .. that was not included in the receipts. I think that created a complexity. Thats what I think has hapenned. but i have heard few prod.s in the past loosing money this way. I am searching for ways to ban their emails in my store.
And one more thing. There was written that seller protection not elligible. I think they dont provide seller protection for digital products. Even if i somehow later add tracking info. I used the method you described in one of your videos. But that was 2 years back. I think paypal policies have changed
I had it happen
Really? Damn I should have interviewed you
stream cuts off halfway
It’s supposed to end there
more Mike Trampe!, but not on this subject.
wat
Yes. Scale it up times millions with traceable sub audible metadata? There is an optional service on many platforms to track the sub audible tags and cross reference them to see who made them and if it is licensed, if not, royalties to you. It’s an additional cost that works for you, now. So they get a tagged banger that goes platinum? Ok. If it’s sub audibly tagged on public platforms? Bonus. No dispute, no call, no email,…wish them the best and collect the royalties. …and yes I figured that out by watching people reverse engineer that to happen on purpose and they started retiring (um, sketchy, yes)…I’ll email, if you have more questions. No pitch, I had a similar problem: it can get deep fast. Royalty protection service? People rereleasing licensed anything do you a favor, every time. This is not applicable to everyone. Just established, known, big producers with gold and platinum albums, like you. Observation, not compliment. Respectfully ~ stefan
There’s no service that automatically collects royalties from streaming/radio/etc off a sub audible. If there were, this wouldn’t be a conversation.
@@DJPain1 Respect. Not an argument. It’s a book within a book that is in the preferences set in paid, auxiliary, and built in tools.
You and I as normal people getting started, it’s like your advice to not register beats. Excellent advice. Me? Not going to need this with beats for a while.
However, there is a tipping point where we are equal in the eyes of the divine and we are not equal when you have beats being taken frequently.
To be clear, there are many ways to do this and it is a form of income for some people who use strategies we do not.
The legit way to get paid is not technically royalties. You are precise and correct and I like that about you. Thank you.
No. Not royalties. However. In TH-cam, it is called “The Copyright Match Tool.” It is technical and not accessible easily. It is there. Labels can use these tools like doing ballet on a trampoline, reading a paper, and drinking coffee, blindfolded, while sleep walking. It doesn’t do royalties. In some cases (especially when there are source files and sub audible tags to quickly prove to a platform you own and originated)? They will direct ad revenue to you on the major platforms.
It is a mental backflip and not worth thinking about until it is a daily thing.
That is first.
Then there is an opt in service on Distrokid. A label can run a mid level artist through the release gauntlet where they know the work will be taken and make more off that artist than they could with their music.
Mental backflips and worse situations for me to get here.
And for the situation you are describing? With sub audible tags and an extra fee? The service on Distrokid is called "TH-cam Content ID." Working with the first tool, mentioned above, on TH-cam? This service figures out who is doing what and coordinates directing ad revenue to you. Some labels distribute through their own and Distrokid to have that service. None of what I’m saying is hypothetical.
Used unethically? I don’t do that. I don’t think about it.
Used ethically with the correct settings there and in the administration sections of the major platforms? There is legal compensation without a lengthy copyright suit (3 years and you know how much), provided we are talking about a whale beat and loop maker that is getting copied by beat factories outside copyright jurisdiction. The oh sh__ on that final detail. The icing on the cake and proof there is, as you said, no way to collect royalties on the majority of work appropriated…unless it is published on public platforms with these services. Not easy to find. I am sure major labels know people in these departments by name.
It’s a marathon, not a set of sprints. Right now? Some people call it quickening. Some call it brinking. I tend to think it is the cumulative effect of doing this every day till it is part of us, like putting on our shoes.
Whatever you call it? If you look at the waves and frequency? You have big stuff happening. That is where it gets complicated.
I’m sure you will figure it out as you focus on the work.
Best ~ stefan