I'd say the fact they only gave the vibe of vogue and did not full dip into it, in my opinion, is super respectful to the culture and everything. They wanted to include vogue and its culture while respecting it and not trying to switch it up or try and do it and not make it look correct. I think this is being super self aware, they did amazing.
The reason why they didn’t go full out is cuz they have to perform this song on so many stages. It would definitely take a toll on their health if they did
heavy agree. i thought it was a very appropriate display of cultural appreciation, and it didn't feel like a weird departure from where their music was prior to this.
I love how your comment boils down to "not fully embracing a culture is respecting it" and "if you don't do it exactly how it was supposed to be done, it's disrespectful". It's like you have no concept of creativity.
they never meant to vogue perfectly, as you said it's not even fully vogue, it's just inspired and i think it's soooo nice to see a kpop group try other dance styles
Hi, as a Deaf Queer Artist, thank you for putting in the caption. I agree with your feedback about them putting vibes, and I like to think they are paying respect to Vogue. It's such a great collaboration between House of Juicy Couture, and providing aesthetics is an excellent chef's kiss!
I think, as you said, it’s better for kpop artists to incorporate elements and inspirations from voguing while still keeping it within their skill set so it can still be executed properly. I think most kpop choreos involving voguing do this, but I like that Le Sserafim actually highlighted real vogue performers.
@@pupupurin143 Some of y’all are acting so weird towards chungha now😂 like calm downnnn. Chungha actually has a dance background in mainly waacking + some voguing before being an idol. She’s shown that in her projects, working with prominent dancers from the biggest kiki house in the South Korean ballroom scene. Had queer dancers in high heels and makeup in an MV when that wasn’t something super common in kpop during its time of release, especially being a soloist from a small company. So when ppl mention chungha in relation to voguing/waacking in the kpop scene it’s not surprising or to disregard. Like she deadass is one of the few artists in Kpop who has heavy ties to those genres. It’s amazing what lesserafim has done here, even more representation of ballroom in kpop!! But like literally no need to disrespect chungha + the South Korean ballroom community.
@@pupupurin143I feel like she was respectful of the culture tho. Like she works with one of the biggest ballroom houses in Korea when she does any projects. She had a background in wacking and a little voguing too. Not this energy of villainizing Chungha when’s she’s always been an ally. Yes, she didn’t include a major house from the west, but she was still pushing ballroom in the mainstream with the help of a Korean House.
Great insight, really appreciate it. The pros and experts always objectively saying great things about Le Sserafim, it's the obsessed and probably jobless people who love to throw hate disguised as critics to them.
@@thisismyaccount6174 Well there're a lot of pro singers and vocal experts who praised them. Oh there're sure lot of obsessed and probably jobless people who even deny their dance ability, at least you acknowledge them.
@thisismyaccount6174 it's the fact that ppl like you only point out lsf vocals in every single video, if you're so particular about vocals then why are u in their comment sections? and they DO sing good, i don't see yall in other group's videos 'constructively criticising' them when they do make mistakes. coachella was bloody lit btw.
@@mangomochi439 because that's their whole existence, they have no other identity other than constantly hate watching lsf content and always be the there to tell everyone how much they hate and jealous of lsf, is the worst kind of loser mentality because they will never let it go. Don't bother with loser like @thisismyaccount6174 because they are just wasting your time, and don't expect them to own up to anything, they always run as soon as anyone challenge them on anything.
As someone who doesn’t know much about vogue, this was an interesting video with great insights! I’d definitely be interested in your take on the full choreo, and also echo the request for a look at Solar’s Colors :)
With KPOP, I feel like they choose an aesthetic just for the because and not to honor its value like when T-ARA dressed like Native Americans and Cherry Bullet used Aloha 'oe (a song about losing the Hawaiian kingdom, I believe) as a base for one of their songs. For this, I love that the creative and visual directors included the members of Juicy Couture and made the members an additional creative director for filming to ensure the girls understood what they were dealing with, and then fully proceed to give Juicy Couture members at least 2 solo filming scenes.
OMG, you really worded this in a way I highly agree with! As a long-time K-pop fan, I and many others I believe have come to notice and see that when K-pop groups need a new "aesthetic" or "theme" they often take from other cultures without really doing the necessary research and without giving credit where credit is due. However, in this instance, Le Sserafim has ticked every box on what actually needs to be done to do something different when it comes from something with a heavy cultural history and background.
Lots of groups been dipping into Y2K in the past years but LSF is one of the only who constantly pull immaculate looks that really capture early 2000s.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CAPTIONS!!! i appreciate this sosososo much💛💛💛 i really like what you said here: "they are echoing the vibe of Vogue Fem and the like language of of it without necessarily doing the actual elements", i think styles met up to create something really crazy fun here and i'm glad we all get to experience it 💙 your insight was so interesting to hear!! i really loved this reaction, you're beautiful, thank you for this videoooo
Chungha is trained in waacking and vogue and has multiple choreographies incorporating them!! Also naughty by Irene and Seulgi is a completely tutting choreography!!
Fun fact, the hands move at 1:38 was already spoiled on their end of the year awards performance in November 2023. Le Sserafim is one of the best (if not the very best) planned group.
this was so interesting!! I appreciate you elaborating on the balance needed for Vogue choreo on non-vogue dancers. Some people in comment sections are being hard on them for it being Vogue-adjacent. I would love to see your take on an Idol like Chungha who has had a lot of training in Vogue and Wackking.
There is a ballroom scene in Korea! It’s small, as to be expected. I’m not involved in any kind of ballroom but I’d recommend looking at Chungha, she works a lot with the house of love
It was a treat watching you perform at the Le Sserafim Crazy ball! Seeing your style live in person is unmatched with seeing it on screen. Thanks for the react too! Super Informative
i definitely think that echoing vogue and not going fully into the style as some people have pointed out is a very good way to respect the culture. i also think its a good way to work with the girls backgrounds and the way kpop idols are trained without pushing them too far into something that will look bad because they're not used to working in such a style. its a genius way of doing things!
Okay Chungha really did exactly that in Stay Tonight, I'm Ready and Dream of You with actually studying Vogue Fem. Each video kinda takes on different elements of Ballroom/Vogueing. Also, Irene and Seulgi spent three months learning Tutting for their Naughty music video and performances. Those are the best examples of KPop performancing Vogue Fem.
Love hearing your take! You provided some essential nuance and context on the realities of incorporating Vogue and ballroom into kpop beyond just the movement and choreography
As someone interested in vogue but not a dancer, I learned a lot here. Thank you for your respectful review of this music video! Side note: I love what you said about having a group train in vogue, it's something I've talked about with my friends (who are also vogue enthusiasts).
also i'd recommend looking at the video for the vogueing remix of this song! the video is entirely the house of juicy couture going off and having fun!
The dance practice MV just came out, so that's something you can watch, too. Or the choreo stage cam. Thanks for reacting to Lesserafim.❤ This is a dance style that's new to them and a sound that they are experimenting with after Eve, Psyche song. This is how they keep their sound fresh. Their discography taps on different music genres. Voguing during the time of Madonna😅 was more in my scope of experience with lots of arm movements plus poses; Crazy is its😂resurfacing, lol, after 30 years. Loving it!
lol, Vogue was before Madonna but Madonna brought it to the mainstream. It was good seeing these young people bringing back dances from the mid to late 70s, dancing and fashion are so cyclical. Also I agree with you that a sample or take on House Music is great way to make their music more fresh.
@@judycarson7996 Indeed, Madonna is so iconic. I had lots of fun as a fan during Madonna/Tiffany's pop reign. And I'm enjoying the fact that I am transported back to that time through Crazy. :) Even better is the English version of the song that came out yesterday. Another way to enjoy the craziness is to sing along, lol.
I really appreciate you taking the time to break this down. And i agree, id rather see an artist showcase dancers from the scene and just have vogue elements to their choreo than theybtry to do it all themselves and look a mess. The ending of the video is so fun and joyful im sure everyone on set must have had a blast
you probably already know, but Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone has a lot of predebut videos whacking and tutting! unfortunately we havent seen him do it much since he debut, especially whacking. He did do tutting at a special performance for his Artist Of The Month video! you should check it out if you havent seen it :D
I recommend Kwon Eun Bi 's "Glitch". I love the performance and the choreographer also record the demo version of the choreography. It would be great to hear you break down the choreography!
No shade, LoveRan would have gotten them together choreography wise, but Juicy Couture bring showcased and credited was ideal to bring real (real enough) Vogue to KPop audience that usually just attribute vogue-esque elements to Drag Race's influence
there are definitely some incredible vogue choreographers and dancers in Korea who can (and have!) worked with girl groups! but from experience, training experienced dancers to look like VOGUERS and not dancers doing vogue elements is a long and tricky process that requires a lot more time and intention than most turnarounds for these projects allow
You should check Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone, he has a professional and beautiful background in styles like voguing, tutting, and waacking and has taken part and won in battles as well. Would love you could take a look at his videos
highly recommend reacting to Colors by kpop artist Solar!! There’s a lot of vogue elements in the choreography and the popular Korean voguers House of Love choreographed and directed the dance and are featured in the video
Yea I agree. I do think that mainstream artists don’t have to be that professional and things to be that serious.It’s good already when they can bring these dance moves to the public like everyone just vibe and have fun! But I also think it would be better if the dances are given more shots in this music video. Since here’s a lack of “wow the dance” moment or big party vibe.
if you want to react to more KPOP idols doing vogue choreography on their song, here's the list for you: -Colors by Solar -Glitch by Kwon Eunbi (there's an original choreography by LoveRan) -Who am I by WekiMeki (it's a b side so there's only stage performance and demo choreography) -Stay Tonight by Chungha -Ladida by Everglow
Attitude by HyunA is also a very vogue song, and the chore in MV has some vogue elements, although the video here is partially vogue. Another choreographer version of that song that HyunA didn't use is a fully vogue, has vogue fem and even old way in the end: th-cam.com/video/lKeLMjBpbnE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qwMx_xPO1ZBbcV_F
@@polycereal ugh not rozalin, people call her devil's talent because she's a talented dancer but also a really bad person, she studied waacking and got kicked out because of her attitude then studied voguing under love ran and got kicked out again because of her attitude
Thanks for this, Gravity! Love when expertise of your kind is applied to this fascinating industry--I've been a kpop fan for about eight years now and love looking at it all through an analytical9, creative, & academic lens (kind of embarrassing how many of my uni essays and presentations were on the subject). I'm particularly interested in how queer/POC culture is adopted, appreciated, and appropriated by the industry, and this release is so exciting to me! I'm SO glad to see you've also done a video on Chungha's Stay Tonight, one of my favourite collaborations with Kim Ran--going to watch it right now!
I loved hearing your thoughts about the choreo and the song, I knew you would probably react to it too considering the fact that you used to duet Remi’s tiktoks, which I thought was pretty cool. Other kpop artists have a background in voguing such as Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone, who learned voguing from Titch Ninja. He is also specialized in waacking, like Chungha, who also often includes voguing in her choreos and works with dancers in Korea who are part of houses. Solar from Mamamoo also released a song and its choreography was fully created by the House of Love in Korea and which includes pretty much all five elements of vogue. I would love to see more voguing in Kpop choreos in the future and it was refreshing and awesome to see LE SSERAFIM highlight the House of Juicy Couture in their music video. It gives me hope for the future !
Because K-pop isn't always great about honoring their influences, I was so happy to see the House of Juicy Couture in the video as well as credited. Unfortunately, lack of time is always an issue with groups, so I don't know if an existing group could get the training in. Like you mentioned, I would love a GG that specializes more in that world.
@ocaortega69 Hard agree. XG and LE SSERAFIM are a head and shoulders above other kpop GGs when it comes to dancing. I'd add Itzy but they didn't do the conditioning required for that intense of choreo and wore themselves out with repeated injuries. I know it's not his genre but I'd love to see him react to Easy, The Garage.
No need to compare groups. So I should start by saying LSF is obviously top tier when it comes to dancing. However, whenever other groups do dance challenges, you can see that most current idols are perfectly capable of doing other styles pretty well. If they don't in their own output, it's because their group concept limits the styles they might explore. LSF is basically defined by not really having a distinct style and being very different from song to song. That gives them a lot of breadth in performance, but I don't think they're better than others for it.
I really enjoyed your reaction and insight as someone who is part of the scene. For more of the culture in kpop, I suggest you check out Chungha, she has worked with vogue and waacking communities from Korea in her songs 'stay tonight' and 'i'm ready' which have fantastic performances featuring actual korean ballroom dancers and teams such as comingout crew, la chica and house of love. For stay tonight it is best to watch the coreography or studio choom version and for i'm ready the dance practice version.
i would LOVE to see how you react to sung hanbins artist of the month performance video, he has a lot of experience in waackong tutting and voguing so i would love to see what you'd think of it!
If someone were to make this a full on vogue track with the crashes and comments it would go crazy. The song is already sickening as it is but a vogue/ballroom remix would be chefs kiss
you should check out Hanbin from zerobaseone!!! He has trained for a lot of years in the vogue, waacking and tutting style and he's and amazing dancer ❤
it was so nice to see lsf do an homage to the style without it looking like nogueing. obviously it's not the first time kpop artists work with ballroom dancers, but sometimes i almost wish they didn't 💀 like y'all are good at waacking, bring it back more often !! but crazy was a pleasant surprise. i would've loved to see more of house of juicy couture just having a kiki, but it is what it is, i'll take it
loved this video, the way id dieee for you to react to chungha and sung hanbin (more specifically his predebut videos but his aotm does have some incredible tutting too!) they're both amazing
i love the track, but regardless of what people think of the actual song, i'm so impressed with how the video and the company in general engaged with the ballroom scene. co-choreographed by actual ballroom dancers, full credits, included in the video, they had their own video visualiser for the track. like, this is APPRECIATION instead of APPROPRIATION - and it's so important to me how korean audiences will get to learn more about the black and queer cultures that their music scene draws so significantly from. again, i get that the song is divisive, but the the whole album release has really impressed me. thanks for all of your thoughts on the dance!
As their fan I was a little disappointed because the performance doesn't include that many vogue elements. I was kinda hoping they would go full out on it like Chungha, Kwon Eunbi and Solar did on some of their performances. Thank you for the video, it was great to know the opinion of someone who has been voguing for a while! I would love to know your opinions and see your reactions to other K-pop performances that include vogue in it!!!
You should watch to Solar's music video 'Colors', she's also a kpop artist. She's from a group called Mamamoo, they're all amazing, but this song in particular is one her solos. It's really good.
I think it’s smart cuz you know Korea is still a super conservative country like this is sort of like that dipping the toe in the water before we submerge
Multiple people in the comments have mentioned him, however, I believe someone in the k-pop sphere that could be of interest to you is Sung Hanbin of zerobaseone. He is a professional dancer and choreographer who specilises in tutting and waacking. Though he isn't a voguer, he does have multiple videos of him voguing pre-debut which I believe you would enjoy. While he doesn't get to show this side of his dance speciality a lot, a performance he did recently showed more of his waacking and tutting; he performed on 'Studio chooms' artist of the month and part of the dance was choreographed by Spella, a famous Korean tutter and one of his dance teachers! The link to that performance if you ever decide you are interested: th-cam.com/video/E_2f5RLsT_o/w-d-xo.html
As a fan of ballroom but a non-dancer, I struggled to explain all the ways this MV reminded me of that culture. I am so glad to understand the references better myself too!
You should react to Changha! Specifically Stay tonight, a vogueing based song, I'm ready, a wackking (her specialty) based song w/ voguing elements, and Algorithm, a song with some vogue (and tutting?) elements.
Heyyyy!!!!! Me encanta el grupo, siempre hacen diferentes generos musicales y lo adaptan a su estilo, siempre dejan un mensaje en sus canciones 😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
I'd say the fact they only gave the vibe of vogue and did not full dip into it, in my opinion, is super respectful to the culture and everything. They wanted to include vogue and its culture while respecting it and not trying to switch it up or try and do it and not make it look correct. I think this is being super self aware, they did amazing.
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and the vogue remix is fucking amazing
The reason why they didn’t go full out is cuz they have to perform this song on so many stages. It would definitely take a toll on their health if they did
heavy agree. i thought it was a very appropriate display of cultural appreciation, and it didn't feel like a weird departure from where their music was prior to this.
I love how your comment boils down to "not fully embracing a culture is respecting it" and "if you don't do it exactly how it was supposed to be done, it's disrespectful".
It's like you have no concept of creativity.
The sheer fact that they brought in House of Juicy Couture was amazing. Like the research was done the respect was paid and the love was shown!!
Perfectly said 👌🏾
they never meant to vogue perfectly, as you said it's not even fully vogue, it's just inspired and i think it's soooo nice to see a kpop group try other dance styles
check Red Velvet Irene and Suelgi - Naughty
@@humphreychannel582 That's tutting
@@humphreychannel582 a better example would be Solar's Colors
im so glad they finally got a song that fits them in their vocal range and arent too hard on the choreo.
@@humphreychannel582 No, check Colors by Solar
I can tell you're a teacher. I felt like I learned something along with girling girling.
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I think this MV is a great example of appreciating and not appropriating.
Hi, as a Deaf Queer Artist, thank you for putting in the caption. I agree with your feedback about them putting vibes, and I like to think they are paying respect to Vogue. It's such a great collaboration between House of Juicy Couture, and providing aesthetics is an excellent chef's kiss!
I think, as you said, it’s better for kpop artists to incorporate elements and inspirations from voguing while still keeping it within their skill set so it can still be executed properly. I think most kpop choreos involving voguing do this, but I like that Le Sserafim actually highlighted real vogue performers.
Nice. Chungha’s ‘Stay Tonight’ & ‘I’m Ready’ I highly recommend too! She was in a waacking team & does the vogue parts amazingly!
Stay Tonight does more vogue & a bit of waack (imo I’m Ready does both realllyy well)
!! Chung Ha is mother
no one cares, the difference is le sserafim is giving credit and flowers to the people who created and originated ballroom culture
@@pupupurin143 Some of y’all are acting so weird towards chungha now😂 like calm downnnn. Chungha actually has a dance background in mainly waacking + some voguing before being an idol. She’s shown that in her projects, working with prominent dancers from the biggest kiki house in the South Korean ballroom scene. Had queer dancers in high heels and makeup in an MV when that wasn’t something super common in kpop during its time of release, especially being a soloist from a small company. So when ppl mention chungha in relation to voguing/waacking in the kpop scene it’s not surprising or to disregard. Like she deadass is one of the few artists in Kpop who has heavy ties to those genres. It’s amazing what lesserafim has done here, even more representation of ballroom in kpop!! But like literally no need to disrespect chungha + the South Korean ballroom community.
@@pupupurin143I feel like she was respectful of the culture tho. Like she works with one of the biggest ballroom houses in Korea when she does any projects. She had a background in wacking and a little voguing too. Not this energy of villainizing Chungha when’s she’s always been an ally. Yes, she didn’t include a major house from the west, but she was still pushing ballroom in the mainstream with the help of a Korean House.
Great insight, really appreciate it.
The pros and experts always objectively saying great things about Le Sserafim, it's the obsessed and probably jobless people who love to throw hate disguised as critics to them.
He’s not a vocal coach. No one’s denying their ability to dance.
@@thisismyaccount6174 Well there're a lot of pro singers and vocal experts who praised them. Oh there're sure lot of obsessed and probably jobless people who even deny their dance ability, at least you acknowledge them.
@thisismyaccount6174 it's the fact that ppl like you only point out lsf vocals in every single video, if you're so particular about vocals then why are u in their comment sections? and they DO sing good, i don't see yall in other group's videos 'constructively criticising' them when they do make mistakes.
coachella was bloody lit btw.
@@thisismyaccount6174girl who cares aslong as they can make good music who gaf abt the vocals you care tew much get a life
@@mangomochi439 because that's their whole existence, they have no other identity other than constantly hate watching lsf content and always be the there to tell everyone how much they hate and jealous of lsf, is the worst kind of loser mentality because they will never let it go. Don't bother with loser like @thisismyaccount6174 because they are just wasting your time, and don't expect them to own up to anything, they always run as soon as anyone challenge them on anything.
As someone who doesn’t know much about vogue, this was an interesting video with great insights! I’d definitely be interested in your take on the full choreo, and also echo the request for a look at Solar’s Colors :)
Yes, I’d love if he reacted to Solar’s Colors!!!
Yasss please react to colors!!
Came to say the exact same thing!!
With KPOP, I feel like they choose an aesthetic just for the because and not to honor its value like when T-ARA dressed like Native Americans and Cherry Bullet used Aloha 'oe (a song about losing the Hawaiian kingdom, I believe) as a base for one of their songs.
For this, I love that the creative and visual directors included the members of Juicy Couture and made the members an additional creative director for filming to ensure the girls understood what they were dealing with, and then fully proceed to give Juicy Couture members at least 2 solo filming scenes.
OMG, you really worded this in a way I highly agree with! As a long-time K-pop fan, I and many others I believe have come to notice and see that when K-pop groups need a new "aesthetic" or "theme" they often take from other cultures without really doing the necessary research and without giving credit where credit is due. However, in this instance, Le Sserafim has ticked every box on what actually needs to be done to do something different when it comes from something with a heavy cultural history and background.
the white top and jeans look in the chorus look soooooooo much to that gap comercial with madonna in 2003
Lots of groups been dipping into Y2K in the past years but LSF is one of the only who constantly pull immaculate looks that really capture early 2000s.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CAPTIONS!!! i appreciate this sosososo much💛💛💛
i really like what you said here: "they are echoing the vibe of Vogue Fem and the like language of of it without necessarily doing the actual elements", i think styles met up to create something really crazy fun here and i'm glad we all get to experience it 💙
your insight was so interesting to hear!! i really loved this reaction, you're beautiful, thank you for this videoooo
Chungha is trained in waacking and vogue and has multiple choreographies incorporating them!! Also naughty by Irene and Seulgi is a completely tutting choreography!!
Chungha is not trained in vogue, only waacking. She works with voguers though who then incorporate certain vogue movements into her choreography.
Fun fact, the hands move at 1:38 was already spoiled on their end of the year awards performance in November 2023. Le Sserafim is one of the best (if not the very best) planned group.
They just released a Crazy (Vogue Remix) (feat. Dashaun Wesley) Official Visualizer
I will recommend Irene and Seulgi’s “Naughty” choreo and to hear your perspective, specifically on the tutting.
Yassss this one!!! 😫❤💅
Naughty is a masterpiece
WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THIS!! I'd love to see his perspective, I love that mv
that would be a great choice!
yes its great. i would also recomend colors by solar
this was so interesting!! I appreciate you elaborating on the balance needed for Vogue choreo on non-vogue dancers. Some people in comment sections are being hard on them for it being Vogue-adjacent. I would love to see your take on an Idol like Chungha who has had a lot of training in Vogue and Wackking.
10:32 REMII I WILL NEVER FORGET HER DOING YOUR ARMS CHOREO
There is a ballroom scene in Korea! It’s small, as to be expected. I’m not involved in any kind of ballroom but I’d recommend looking at Chungha, she works a lot with the house of love
as a house/hiphop choreographer who don’t know that much about vogue, i appreciate this a lot!
2:21 she does sing live while walking that duck too btw
doesn't matter, if her form isn't perfect he's gonna point it out
@@ava-pu3nu but still, she's not a voguer, she's a idol, her attempt was far beyond amazing
It was a treat watching you perform at the Le Sserafim Crazy ball! Seeing your style live in person is unmatched with seeing it on screen. Thanks for the react too! Super Informative
LE SSERAQUEENS 👑
i definitely think that echoing vogue and not going fully into the style as some people have pointed out is a very good way to respect the culture. i also think its a good way to work with the girls backgrounds and the way kpop idols are trained without pushing them too far into something that will look bad because they're not used to working in such a style. its a genius way of doing things!
Okay Chungha really did exactly that in Stay Tonight, I'm Ready and Dream of You with actually studying Vogue Fem. Each video kinda takes on different elements of Ballroom/Vogueing. Also, Irene and Seulgi spent three months learning Tutting for their Naughty music video and performances. Those are the best examples of KPop performancing Vogue Fem.
Love hearing your take! You provided some essential nuance and context on the realities of incorporating Vogue and ballroom into kpop beyond just the movement and choreography
heres what i love about watching pros watching and reacting, always smth to learn
As someone interested in vogue but not a dancer, I learned a lot here. Thank you for your respectful review of this music video!
Side note: I love what you said about having a group train in vogue, it's something I've talked about with my friends (who are also vogue enthusiasts).
also i'd recommend looking at the video for the vogueing remix of this song! the video is entirely the house of juicy couture going off and having fun!
OH AND CHUNGHA'S SONG STAY TONIGHT, OR I'M READY.
The dance practice MV just came out, so that's something you can watch, too. Or the choreo stage cam. Thanks for reacting to Lesserafim.❤ This is a dance style that's new to them and a sound that they are experimenting with after Eve, Psyche song. This is how they keep their sound fresh. Their discography taps on different music genres. Voguing during the time of Madonna😅 was more in my scope of experience with lots of arm movements plus poses; Crazy is its😂resurfacing, lol, after 30 years. Loving it!
lol, Vogue was before Madonna but Madonna brought it to the mainstream. It was good seeing these young people bringing back dances from the mid to late 70s, dancing and fashion are so cyclical.
Also I agree with you that a sample or take on House Music is great way to make their music more fresh.
@@judycarson7996 Indeed, Madonna is so iconic. I had lots of fun as a fan during Madonna/Tiffany's pop reign. And I'm enjoying the fact that I am transported back to that time through Crazy. :) Even better is the English version of the song that came out yesterday. Another way to enjoy the craziness is to sing along, lol.
@@neljade3341 good to know. I’m going to listen to the English version.
I really appreciate you taking the time to break this down. And i agree, id rather see an artist showcase dancers from the scene and just have vogue elements to their choreo than theybtry to do it all themselves and look a mess. The ending of the video is so fun and joyful im sure everyone on set must have had a blast
THEY JUST PUT OUT A DESHAUN REMIX LIKE 20 MINUTES AGOOO
you probably already know, but Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone has a lot of predebut videos whacking and tutting! unfortunately we havent seen him do it much since he debut, especially whacking. He did do tutting at a special performance for his Artist Of The Month video! you should check it out if you havent seen it :D
I recommend Kwon Eun Bi 's "Glitch". I love the performance and the choreographer also record the demo version of the choreography. It would be great to hear you break down the choreography!
The girls ate! I like that they didn’t try to own everything. They did well!
Yall can tell he’s professional when he dipped his own head at the dip at 7:25
they have released another special version to highlight only the dancers. check that tooo pls
I love that her moves are vogue inspired but not too hard, makes it easier to learn when you're a beginner
No shade, LoveRan would have gotten them together choreography wise, but Juicy Couture bring showcased and credited was ideal to bring real (real enough) Vogue to KPop audience that usually just attribute vogue-esque elements to Drag Race's influence
there are definitely some incredible vogue choreographers and dancers in Korea who can (and have!) worked with girl groups! but from experience, training experienced dancers to look like VOGUERS and not dancers doing vogue elements is a long and tricky process that requires a lot more time and intention than most turnarounds for these projects allow
You should check Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone, he has a professional and beautiful background in styles like voguing, tutting, and waacking and has taken part and won in battles as well. Would love you could take a look at his videos
highly recommend reacting to Colors by kpop artist Solar!!
There’s a lot of vogue elements in the choreography and the popular Korean voguers House of Love choreographed and directed the dance and are featured in the video
Yea I agree. I do think that mainstream artists don’t have to be that professional and things to be that serious.It’s good already when they can bring these dance moves to the public like everyone just vibe and have fun! But I also think it would be better if the dances are given more shots in this music video. Since here’s a lack of “wow the dance” moment or big party vibe.
if you want to react to more KPOP idols doing vogue choreography on their song, here's the list for you:
-Colors by Solar
-Glitch by Kwon Eunbi (there's an original choreography by LoveRan)
-Who am I by WekiMeki (it's a b side so there's only stage performance and demo choreography)
-Stay Tonight by Chungha
-Ladida by Everglow
Attitude by HyunA is also a very vogue song, and the chore in MV has some vogue elements, although the video here is partially vogue. Another choreographer version of that song that HyunA didn't use is a fully vogue, has vogue fem and even old way in the end: th-cam.com/video/lKeLMjBpbnE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qwMx_xPO1ZBbcV_F
@@polycereal ugh not rozalin, people call her devil's talent because she's a talented dancer but also a really bad person, she studied waacking and got kicked out because of her attitude then studied voguing under love ran and got kicked out again because of her attitude
This !!!
and ladida by everglow
@@huafish-z6y oh yeah gonna put that on the list
Nice presentation, dude. You're not just a teacher. You're a GOOD teacher. It's clear.
loved your insight on this!! also you look beautiful as always
Thanks for this, Gravity! Love when expertise of your kind is applied to this fascinating industry--I've been a kpop fan for about eight years now and love looking at it all through an analytical9, creative, & academic lens (kind of embarrassing how many of my uni essays and presentations were on the subject). I'm particularly interested in how queer/POC culture is adopted, appreciated, and appropriated by the industry, and this release is so exciting to me! I'm SO glad to see you've also done a video on Chungha's Stay Tonight, one of my favourite collaborations with Kim Ran--going to watch it right now!
I loved hearing your thoughts about the choreo and the song, I knew you would probably react to it too considering the fact that you used to duet Remi’s tiktoks, which I thought was pretty cool. Other kpop artists have a background in voguing such as Sung Hanbin from Zerobaseone, who learned voguing from Titch Ninja. He is also specialized in waacking, like Chungha, who also often includes voguing in her choreos and works with dancers in Korea who are part of houses. Solar from Mamamoo also released a song and its choreography was fully created by the House of Love in Korea and which includes pretty much all five elements of vogue. I would love to see more voguing in Kpop choreos in the future and it was refreshing and awesome to see LE SSERAFIM highlight the House of Juicy Couture in their music video. It gives me hope for the future !
Thank you for coming to the LA listening party and dancing for us!!! I was in the front row and was having a blast watching you perform for us!!!
Loved this and rooted for you the whole way on Legendary! Would love to see you react to Sung Han Bin and Lip J's mini battle on Boys Planet
Because K-pop isn't always great about honoring their influences, I was so happy to see the House of Juicy Couture in the video as well as credited. Unfortunately, lack of time is always an issue with groups, so I don't know if an existing group could get the training in. Like you mentioned, I would love a GG that specializes more in that world.
your hair is SO GORGEOUS
LE SSERAFIM are open to dance to different genres, the only capable group that can showcase all!
@ocaortega69 Hard agree. XG and LE SSERAFIM are a head and shoulders above other kpop GGs when it comes to dancing. I'd add Itzy but they didn't do the conditioning required for that intense of choreo and wore themselves out with repeated injuries. I know it's not his genre but I'd love to see him react to Easy, The Garage.
Let’s be honest, all of these artists from bigger labels can showcase different genres of performance, that’s what their industry is all about.
No need to compare groups. So I should start by saying LSF is obviously top tier when it comes to dancing. However, whenever other groups do dance challenges, you can see that most current idols are perfectly capable of doing other styles pretty well. If they don't in their own output, it's because their group concept limits the styles they might explore. LSF is basically defined by not really having a distinct style and being very different from song to song. That gives them a lot of breadth in performance, but I don't think they're better than others for it.
@@mbvgliderWelp they are Top 2 nad not 2 best performers in 4th gen. Argue with wall, facts doesnt change
@@mbvglider we can compare groups as long as its respectfully. All groups excel in different skills compared to others.
I really enjoyed your reaction and insight as someone who is part of the scene. For more of the culture in kpop, I suggest you check out Chungha, she has worked with vogue and waacking communities from Korea in her songs 'stay tonight' and 'i'm ready' which have fantastic performances featuring actual korean ballroom dancers and teams such as comingout crew, la chica and house of love.
For stay tonight it is best to watch the coreography or studio choom version and for i'm ready the dance practice version.
i would LOVE to see how you react to sung hanbins artist of the month performance video, he has a lot of experience in waackong tutting and voguing so i would love to see what you'd think of it!
If someone were to make this a full on vogue track with the crashes and comments it would go crazy. The song is already sickening as it is but a vogue/ballroom remix would be chefs kiss
I love the song. Crazy !
Thank you sharing!
I love VOGUE dancer💖
I love Le sserafim💝
Thank you for the knowledge! Vogue is so so cool
you should check out Hanbin from zerobaseone!!! He has trained for a lot of years in the vogue, waacking and tutting style and he's and amazing dancer ❤
I suggest checking out a full choreo video and the MV for the English version in which you can see a lot more choreo with more vogue elements!
I loved learning so much more about vogue, thank you for this video
i love that kpop are taking more vogue inspiration in their MV's and choreos, as a dancer i feel so excited.
it was so nice to see lsf do an homage to the style without it looking like nogueing. obviously it's not the first time kpop artists work with ballroom dancers, but sometimes i almost wish they didn't 💀 like y'all are good at waacking, bring it back more often !! but crazy was a pleasant surprise. i would've loved to see more of house of juicy couture just having a kiki, but it is what it is, i'll take it
Colors by Solar is a full vogue choreo
a horrific attempt at it paired with a horrific track maybe
The choreography is cringe and the song scream I need gays approbation so bad
@@freshrainbow7823 haters be hating 👀
@@DISCO_Potat Would it be hating if its true though?
don't recommend that atrocity
Recommend Sung Hanbin’s TikTok challenge version for this song! You can see the vogue is in his bonessss
Your thorough and concise breakdown of the choreo will have be back regularly. Really enjoyed your perspective as a pro!
Love hearing your professional takes on this!
i’ve seen you around the internet and I like you, I didn’t realize you did youtube until just now but this is awesome for me
loved this video, the way id dieee for you to react to chungha and sung hanbin (more specifically his predebut videos but his aotm does have some incredible tutting too!) they're both amazing
i love the track, but regardless of what people think of the actual song, i'm so impressed with how the video and the company in general engaged with the ballroom scene. co-choreographed by actual ballroom dancers, full credits, included in the video, they had their own video visualiser for the track. like, this is APPRECIATION instead of APPROPRIATION - and it's so important to me how korean audiences will get to learn more about the black and queer cultures that their music scene draws so significantly from. again, i get that the song is divisive, but the the whole album release has really impressed me. thanks for all of your thoughts on the dance!
They just released a vouge remix of crazy!! Would love to see you react or even dance to it ❤
I don't know much about vogue/dance, so it nice to hearing a more in-depth talk about it. thank you!
As their fan I was a little disappointed because the performance doesn't include that many vogue elements. I was kinda hoping they would go full out on it like Chungha, Kwon Eunbi and Solar did on some of their performances.
Thank you for the video, it was great to know the opinion of someone who has been voguing for a while! I would love to know your opinions and see your reactions to other K-pop performances that include vogue in it!!!
You should watch to Solar's music video 'Colors', she's also a kpop artist. She's from a group called Mamamoo, they're all amazing, but this song in particular is one her solos. It's really good.
would love to see your thoughts on SOLAR's song called COLORS (also a 'vogue' song and choreography from an SK house) love you! keep it up angel!! 💜
I think it’s smart cuz you know Korea is still a super conservative country like this is sort of like that dipping the toe in the water before we submerge
Multiple people in the comments have mentioned him, however, I believe someone in the k-pop sphere that could be of interest to you is Sung Hanbin of zerobaseone. He is a professional dancer and choreographer who specilises in tutting and waacking. Though he isn't a voguer, he does have multiple videos of him voguing pre-debut which I believe you would enjoy. While he doesn't get to show this side of his dance speciality a lot, a performance he did recently showed more of his waacking and tutting; he performed on 'Studio chooms' artist of the month and part of the dance was choreographed by Spella, a famous Korean tutter and one of his dance teachers!
The link to that performance if you ever decide you are interested: th-cam.com/video/E_2f5RLsT_o/w-d-xo.html
i think with kpop focusing a lot in choreo in recent years, it's becoming it's own style where things are the ✨vibe✨ of more stablished dance styles
As a fan of ballroom but a non-dancer, I struggled to explain all the ways this MV reminded me of that culture. I am so glad to understand the references better myself too!
Enjoyed your insight and agree with the points you made! I think their creative choices were the right one. Thanks for sharing!
I was waiting for you to make a video on this!!
You should react to Changha! Specifically Stay tonight, a vogueing based song, I'm ready, a wackking (her specialty) based song w/ voguing elements, and Algorithm, a song with some vogue (and tutting?) elements.
Id be interested to know your thoughts about the "colors" performance video by Solar!
I WAS HOPING YOU'D REACT TO THIS!!! I loved the song and all the vogue/ballroom elements, I def feel this is the best K-Pop/Ballroom crossover yet!
Loved the insights
Loved the music video and your analysis!
You absolutely need to react to Chungha’s “Stay Tonight” and “I’m Ready”. She has a background in waacking and bits of vogue.
I loved this video and your insight! Please make more videos like this
Would love more reactions like this ❤
100k view in 9days!!!!! Wow kpop fans really like professional mv reaction. Do more reactions please.
thank you for your insights!! currently binging your videos
Great insights! As a longtime kpop fan and a total outsider to vogue, you really broke things down in a way that I could understand. 👍👍
bro you're like the final boss of vogue
loved this vid so much, learned so much! would be curious to see your reaction to chungha's stay tonight performance vid if you ever consider it!
They just released their choreography! That’ll be easier to analyze the dancing :)
They have a vogue remix featuring dashaun wesley in the video!😊
You should see Colors by solar, is also really inspired by vogue choreos and hella good!!!
Thank you for explaining!
Heyyyy!!!!! Me encanta el grupo, siempre hacen diferentes generos musicales y lo adaptan a su estilo, siempre dejan un mensaje en sus canciones 😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤