0:550:55 Thank you, thank you, thank you! So helpful to have trusted scripturally-qualified and knowledgeable men provide answers to Biblical and secular-based questions! -
@@dustinhuffman8089 I know but Don said that having an incorrect understanding about the connection between remission of sins and baptism invalidates the baptism. “You cannot be taught wrong and baptized right.” So according to Don, all the hundreds of thousands of baptisms done in baptist or evangelical churches (including campbell’s baptism) are invalid because they were done with incorrect understanding.
@ that presupposes a few things. 1. That anyone baptized in a denominational meeting house holds exactly the same doctrine that is being taught there. 2. That because a Baptist minister preformed the baptism of Campbell then Campbell didn’t understand the relation of baptism and remission of sins. To the first pre-supposition, there are certainly an unascertainable number of people who have been baptized in a building that says Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist etc, on the sign, without holding to the doctrine wholesale of any of those denominations, or at least in particular what they teach about baptism. I know this to be true because I know of people who have through individual study arrived at the conclusion that they need to be baptized, but they are unaware or to far away from a congregation of the lords body and so they have contacted one of these denominational organizations to ask if they would preform the baptism. By way of example, say someone who was raised in the baptist tradition comes to a point in personal study of the scripture that they need to submit to the lord in baptism, they come to their preacher and say I need you to baptize me for the remission of sins, the preacher may object or say that’s not what we believe, and the person could say that’s alright but that’s what I believe, and if they are obliged they would preform the baptism. In my estimation that person has been born again of water and the spirit, they have been added to the lords church, I would say it’s then objective on that person to either try and teach what they have found although I don’t know how much success that would be met with, or find a local congregation to worship with or if their isn’t one, start one. To the second pre-supposition, you are not the first to assert that Campbell wasn’t baptized in accordance with New Testament teaching, in response to those who accused this before you Campbells wife wrote after his death when he could not answer for himself "Alexander Campbell was baptized in the full faith of the forgiveness of his sins, when baptized into Christ's death, and a full hope of the resurrection unto eternal life; having been planted in Christ in the likeness of his death, he was assured that he should participate in his resurrection; and this burial and resurrection imply a death unto him, and an enjoyment of a new life in Christ, no longer living a servant of sin, nor yielding his members to serve sin. Of course he was freed from the guilt and pollution of sin, and fully enjoyed a new life, with pardon of all his past sins for the promise was to him". That being said whether Alexander or anyone else believed a certain thing makes no difference, Campbell didn’t start the church, Christ did, and he is the authority.
3:27 I'm the guy they're referring to in the 2nd question and they completely misquoted me. I asked them to find me a single verse that says at water immersion we come in contact with the BLOOD of Christ. I'm not sure why they would have misquoted my question here. Very strange. In the email they even admitted there's not a single verse that says that. Next time show your audience the respect of accurately quoting their question.
This is what I found out about the Epistle to the Laodiceans. EPISTLE TO THE LAODICEANS From "The Apocryphal New Testament" M.R. James-Translation and Notes Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1924 Introduction It exists only in Latin: the oldest copy is in the Fulda MS. written for Victor of Capua in 546. It is mentioned by various writers from the fourth century onwards, notably by Gregory the Great, to whose influence may ultimately be due the frequent occurrence of it in Bibles written in England; for it is commoner in English MSS. than in others. As will be seen, it is wholly uninteresting, and was merely written to justify or explain St. Paul's mention of the letter from Laodicea in Col. iv. 16.
At 8:00 ... Romans 6 does not say we come up out of the waters of baptism. The word "water" is not in Romans 6 because Romans 6 along with all the other references to baptism by Paul describes a baptism into Christ, not into water. Water baptism is a work of man, an act, deed, or thing done, and Ephesians 2:8-9 very clearly states that we are not saved by such a thing. The baptism into Christ is a work of God, not man. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Colossians 2:12
Romans 6: 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been (E)baptized into (F)Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been (G)buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was (H)raised from the dead through the (I)glory of the Father, so we too may walk in (J)newness of life. 5 For (K)if we have become [b]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [c]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our (L)old [d]self was (M)crucified with Him, in order that our (N)body of sin might be [e]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for (O)the one who has died is [f]freed from sin. Notice that the word "LIKENESS" is used. Since Christ died and arose from the dead, symbolically (likeness) represents the grave. Christ in Acts 2 said what the baptism was to be used for. Eph 2: 8 For (U)by grace you have been saved (V)through faith; and [l]this is not of yourselves, it is (W)the gift of God; 9 (X)not a result of works, so that (Y)no one may boast. Let's tear this verse apart. "By grace you have been saved. Grace in this manner is referring to Jesus Christ. This is the grace of God. If we have no faith in this Grace (Jesus) then we are still under the Law. Only my faith in Jesus as being the Son of God and through Him can I get to the Father. 1st Corinthians is proving that we can only receive the Spirit by being baptized. Colossians 2: 12 having been (AC)buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also (AD)raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who (AE)raised Him from the dead. This verse proves that baptism is a work of God and not of man.
Baptism is a work commanded by God that man must do in obedient faith in order to be saved. It is commanded by Christ in Mark 16:16. Your claim of saved by faith only doctrine is proven false by the Apostle James in James 2:14-26. Paul had to be baptized in water immersion in order to wash away his sins that were not remissed while he prayed on the road to Damascus. Acts 22:16. Baptism is necessary for salvation Galatians 3:27.
@austinholland8470 Baptism WAS a work that saved under the previous dispensation, but not under the dispensation of the grace of God given to Paul for us. If baptism is a work that saves, that directly contradicts Paul in Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 4:4-5. (Unless, of course, one just explains these verses away in order to fit an already held belief and make them say something they do not say)
@@R-H-C-3 Was Paul saved on the road to Damascus before or after he was told to be baptized in Acts 22:16? Was the Ethiopian eunoch saved before or after he was baptized by Philip? Do you believe Christ was wrong in Mark 16:16 whe said he that believes (action and a work) and IS baptized shall be saved? Yes or no? Is James, an inspired Apostle, wrong or misled by the Holy Spirit in James 2:14-26 when he said that faith without works is unjustified and dead? Does your so called saved by faith only contradict James in James 2 and Romans 6:3&4 or no? If it’s God that baptizes us as you claim in Romans 6 then how are we baptized? What does God immerse us in? Dirt? Mud? Air? Answer and dont dodge.
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9:20 I guess Alexander Campbell is damned
What? 😂
@ Campbell was baptized by a baptist minister.
@@colepriceguitar1153it has no bearing on the one being baptized, who the one is doing the baptizing.
@@dustinhuffman8089 I know but Don said that having an incorrect understanding about the connection between remission of sins and baptism invalidates the baptism. “You cannot be taught wrong and baptized right.” So according to Don, all the hundreds of thousands of baptisms done in baptist or evangelical churches (including campbell’s baptism) are invalid because they were done with incorrect understanding.
@ that presupposes a few things.
1. That anyone baptized in a denominational meeting house holds exactly the same doctrine that is being taught there.
2. That because a Baptist minister preformed the baptism of Campbell then Campbell didn’t understand the relation of baptism and remission of sins.
To the first pre-supposition, there are certainly an unascertainable number of people who have been baptized in a building that says Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist etc, on the sign, without holding to the doctrine wholesale of any of those denominations, or at least in particular what they teach about baptism. I know this to be true because I know of people who have through individual study arrived at the conclusion that they need to be baptized, but they are unaware or to far away from a congregation of the lords body and so they have contacted one of these denominational organizations to ask if they would preform the baptism. By way of example, say someone who was raised in the baptist tradition comes to a point in personal study of the scripture that they need to submit to the lord in baptism, they come to their preacher and say I need you to baptize me for the remission of sins, the preacher may object or say that’s not what we believe, and the person could say that’s alright but that’s what I believe, and if they are obliged they would preform the baptism. In my estimation that person has been born again of water and the spirit, they have been added to the lords church, I would say it’s then objective on that person to either try and teach what they have found although I don’t know how much success that would be met with, or find a local congregation to worship with or if their isn’t one, start one.
To the second pre-supposition, you are not the first to assert that Campbell wasn’t baptized in accordance with New Testament teaching, in response to those who accused this before you Campbells wife wrote after his death when he could not answer for himself "Alexander Campbell was baptized in the full faith of the forgiveness of his sins, when baptized into Christ's death, and a full hope of the resurrection unto eternal life; having been planted in Christ in the likeness of his death, he was assured that he should participate in his resurrection; and this burial and resurrection imply a death unto him, and an enjoyment of a new life in Christ, no longer living a servant of sin, nor yielding his members to serve sin. Of course he was freed from the guilt and pollution of sin, and fully enjoyed a new life, with pardon of all his past sins for the promise was to him".
That being said whether Alexander or anyone else believed a certain thing makes no difference, Campbell didn’t start the church, Christ did, and he is the authority.
3:27 I'm the guy they're referring to in the 2nd question and they completely misquoted me. I asked them to find me a single verse that says at water immersion we come in contact with the BLOOD of Christ. I'm not sure why they would have misquoted my question here. Very strange. In the email they even admitted there's not a single verse that says that. Next time show your audience the respect of accurately quoting their question.
This is what I found out about the Epistle to the Laodiceans.
EPISTLE TO THE LAODICEANS
From "The Apocryphal New Testament"
M.R. James-Translation and Notes
Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1924
Introduction
It exists only in Latin: the oldest copy is in the Fulda MS. written for Victor of Capua in 546. It is mentioned by various writers from the fourth century onwards, notably by Gregory the Great, to whose influence may ultimately be due the frequent occurrence of it in Bibles written in England; for it is commoner in English MSS. than in others. As will be seen, it is wholly uninteresting, and was merely written to justify or explain St. Paul's mention of the letter from Laodicea in Col. iv. 16.
Look at the scripture is talking about a brother that you're not supposed to call him a bad name
At 8:00 ...
Romans 6 does not say we come up out of the waters of baptism. The word "water" is not in Romans 6 because Romans 6 along with all the other references to baptism by Paul describes a baptism into Christ, not into water.
Water baptism is a work of man, an act, deed, or thing done, and Ephesians 2:8-9 very clearly states that we are not saved by such a thing.
The baptism into Christ is a work of God, not man.
1 Corinthians 12:13
Colossians 2:12
Romans 6: 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been (E)baptized into (F)Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been (G)buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was (H)raised from the dead through the (I)glory of the Father, so we too may walk in (J)newness of life. 5 For (K)if we have become [b]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [c]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our (L)old [d]self was (M)crucified with Him, in order that our (N)body of sin might be [e]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for (O)the one who has died is [f]freed from sin.
Notice that the word "LIKENESS" is used. Since Christ died and arose from the dead, symbolically (likeness) represents the grave. Christ in Acts 2 said what the baptism was to be used for.
Eph 2: 8 For (U)by grace you have been saved (V)through faith; and [l]this is not of yourselves, it is (W)the gift of God; 9 (X)not a result of works, so that (Y)no one may boast.
Let's tear this verse apart. "By grace you have been saved. Grace in this manner is referring to Jesus Christ. This is the grace of God. If we have no faith in this Grace (Jesus) then we are still under the Law. Only my faith in Jesus as being the Son of God and through Him can I get to the Father.
1st Corinthians is proving that we can only receive the Spirit by being baptized.
Colossians 2: 12 having been (AC)buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also (AD)raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who (AE)raised Him from the dead. This verse proves that baptism is a work of God and not of man.
Baptism is a work commanded by God that man must do in obedient faith in order to be saved. It is commanded by Christ in Mark 16:16. Your claim of saved by faith only doctrine is proven false by the Apostle James in James 2:14-26.
Paul had to be baptized in water immersion in order to wash away his sins that were not remissed while he prayed on the road to Damascus. Acts 22:16. Baptism is necessary for salvation Galatians 3:27.
Thank you for these straight truthful answers God bless you both
@austinholland8470
Baptism WAS a work that saved under the previous dispensation, but not under the dispensation of the grace of God given to Paul for us. If baptism is a work that saves, that directly contradicts Paul in Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 4:4-5. (Unless, of course, one just explains these verses away in order to fit an already held belief and make them say something they do not say)
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Was Paul saved on the road to Damascus before or after he was told to be baptized in Acts 22:16?
Was the Ethiopian eunoch saved before or after he was baptized by Philip?
Do you believe Christ was wrong in Mark 16:16 whe said he that believes (action and a work) and IS baptized shall be saved? Yes or no?
Is James, an inspired Apostle, wrong or misled by the Holy Spirit in James 2:14-26 when he said that faith without works is unjustified and dead?
Does your so called saved by faith only contradict James in James 2 and Romans 6:3&4 or no?
If it’s God that baptizes us as you claim in Romans 6 then how are we baptized? What does God immerse us in? Dirt? Mud? Air?
Answer and dont dodge.