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  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ars Technica made a brilliant interview with the prince of persia developer explaining how many computational limits he had to overcome purely because of the platform he initially started with and realizing that during the development the evolution had already taken both the audience and performance elsewhere.

  • @Nam3Iess
    @Nam3Iess 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the enthusiasm in him. Such a great guy and I loved this video!

  • @Correctrix
    @Correctrix 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Jeez, this guy knows a lot about computer history.

  • @cpt_nordbart
    @cpt_nordbart 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    A computer combined with a phone? Who needs that?
    (Send from my iPhone)

  • @flamencoprof
    @flamencoprof 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A fascinating tour with a knowledgeable guide. So many names I remember. I am glad to hear they are collecting the stories as well as the machines. C64 was my first, got into opcodes becoz Basic was too slow, still took 24hrs to do one screen of the Mandelbrot set!

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh wow, that 8 track! That's just precious lol
    Ironically, I've been thinking of doing that with an hard drive and my 1970's receiver hehehe

  • @njharper1983
    @njharper1983 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The "Pizza Oven" reminded me of the pizza re-hydrator from Back to the Future 2. I bet the production designer used it as inspiration.

    • @Ceelvain
      @Ceelvain 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damn, my exact thought! I don't know who inspired who, but they're definitely related.
      It's the "black & decker hydrator".

  • @timwilcox5158
    @timwilcox5158 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    superb video. i've been to this museum and its amazing.

  • @Locut0s
    @Locut0s 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the neat things about watching this video as someone from North America is to see the regional historical variations. These days computing is so global in nature that most products are marketed world wide. Although they exist, you don’t see very much in the way of local regional product variation. An iPhone, or Samsung galaxy phone is the same product here or in the UK. But back then the market was a lot more fragmented. North America didn’t have the BBC micro or ZX spectrum for example.

  • @stevec00ps
    @stevec00ps 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooh I've been in there after my dad moaned there wasn't enough IBM kit on display - Jason had to prove us otherwise :) Once of the most amazing places I've been to!

  • @PhilHibbs
    @PhilHibbs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw a Superbrain in the background! My dad had a couple of those, he designed a graphics card for it and had the boards printed, my brother and I soldered the chips onto them. Then someone else came out with a higher resolution card and took our market. I wonder if the museum happens to have one somehow! That would be awesome.

  • @suicidalbanananana
    @suicidalbanananana 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, and that Compaq portable almost brought a tear to my eye, my dad had one of those for work and i learned myself the basic programming language/started my life as a programmer on that thing.

  • @paulalancaster1
    @paulalancaster1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this! What a ride down Memory Lane. I built an Altair 8800a from a kit in 1976 and ended up at Digital Research working under Gary Kildall in the last of the CP/M glory days just as IBM PC/DOS was about to dethrone it. Used a Compaq luggable in the mid-80's to do software development at home in the evenings to supplement my day work at Symantec on an IBM PC/XT (the first model with integral hard drive). Etc. etc.
    Yes, I agree. The hardware is a great excuse to revel in the stories.

  • @flintsteel7
    @flintsteel7 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the tour, this was amazing!

  • @TheCoryKid
    @TheCoryKid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh man, I want a separate video for every single one of these machines.

  • @mfbfreak
    @mfbfreak 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Imagine a cat staring at a bird in the backyard, That's how i'm looking at this video.

  • @FoxyRhino
    @FoxyRhino 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Visited last year (having seen some of Ashens' videos going through the archives). Fascinating place if you are ever in Cambridgee

  • @burkiwa
    @burkiwa 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhh, the old Compaq 'Lugable'. I carried one for many years as a piece of test equipment. They were a solid piece of kit.

  • @TheWarTurkey
    @TheWarTurkey 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw an Apple II GS in the beginning! We used to have a GS in school, and that was in the 2000s!

  • @pthomasgarcia
    @pthomasgarcia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    50 Shades of Beige

    • @Thorpe
      @Thorpe 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, gotta help alleviate that eye strain.

  • @mikeklaene4359
    @mikeklaene4359 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have any of you ever seen or heard of a system that had been made by Singer Business Machines called the 1500? I was working for Singer when the business machines division was bought by ICL . The systems were renamed the ICL 1500 . These units were made in Utica, NY and were designed by a George Cogar. The 1500 was an early desktop device with two tape drives, a 256 character CRT and a keypunch style keyboard. These systems were quite popular in Europe in the mid 1970s into early 80s. 16 of them could be networked together and share a 20MB disk manager.

  • @DuckGWR
    @DuckGWR 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    As soon as the Exidy Sorcerer got pulled out I hoped the 8 track cartridges would be mentioned and was very happy when they were.

  • @stuartthegrant
    @stuartthegrant 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an amazing collection.

  • @waldsteiger
    @waldsteiger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great! short, but great. could watch this for hours.

  • @ManWithBeard1990
    @ManWithBeard1990 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You know, the PowerPC Macs didn't run the Motorole 68000 chip. Those came earlier. But they did have an emulation library on them so they could run the older software, much like they later did with Rosetta when they switched to x86.

    • @MichaelOglesby
      @MichaelOglesby 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ManWithBeard1990 Yeap. The PowerPC Macs has the PowerPC 603 and 604 CPU, some models had PowerG3 CPU.
      What most people don’t know, the PowerPC CPUs were better in computing and performance power than the Intel CPUs of the time.
      Of course, people didn’t know or care, they just wanted a Windows PC :)

    • @Computerphile
      @Computerphile  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I really wanted to post some video I edited on one but I couldn't find any.... (well there's an old Mac format CD here, will see what I can do with it) >Sean

    • @ManWithBeard1990
      @ManWithBeard1990 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I still have one of the floppies that MacOS 7.1 came on. I don't know where the other five went but it's a nice nostalgia piece.

    • @MattExzy
      @MattExzy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      PowerPCs were 'better' than Pentiums, true. Problem being it was the terribly aged Mac OS that crippled them. Mid 90s Apple was also incredibly stingy with hardware design; a string of Macs with 68040 based boards had PowerPCs hacked onto them, for instance. Having said that.. as a young teenager, I first had a home internet connection in 98' on a 68040-based Mac, and I'm probably clouded by nostalgia, but it didn't seem all *that* slow itself. Now I am delirious with nostalgia...

  • @Dawwwg
    @Dawwwg 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:54 That Sony MSX2 machine - well one from that series - was used in the MIR space-station as a video-digitizer, just to add a story :)

  • @jdlives8992
    @jdlives8992 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 of those I had in my youth. Wish I still had them.

  • @BlankBrain
    @BlankBrain 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quite a few Prime Computers were sold in the UK. They were still being made until about 1999. Also, Floating Point Systems built (attached) array processors that were amazing in their day. I wonder if any have survived.

  • @tbthegr81
    @tbthegr81 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How does the Center for Computing History stand on retrobrighting?
    Is it a feature that the computers look like when they where used or is the aim to have as many computers as possible as they where when they where new?
    I saw some comps there that still had stickers left from their donors, so either those haven't been cleaned up/used since they where donated or the idea is to keep them like that?

    • @tbthegr81
      @tbthegr81 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, everything is a big task when you have a thousand computers in storage.
      And most probably don't even need the treatment, there was a lot of metal-case computers there that doesn't yellow and I expect that the boxed-computers are in the best of shape.
      Other than that there is always a risk of striping and other results you don't want but if the goal is to preserve history it could be well worth the risk on systems that isn't so unusual.
      And the workload can always be dropped on volunteers or other cheap labor!

    • @turke47
      @turke47 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      retrobright damages plastic and makes them brittle

  • @nathangek
    @nathangek 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    anodizing in the kitchen sink < That's kind of high level DIY is amazing

  • @ChristofferOlofsson
    @ChristofferOlofsson 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It looks like he forgot to put that note back in the Osborne 1!

  • @modelchili
    @modelchili 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    All these computers will be in fashion again according to Alien.

  • @KurtGodel432
    @KurtGodel432 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interview Oded Lachish from the Birkbeck department of computer science please. His research in theoretical computer science in my view merits him a Gödel prize because it is so cutting-edge.

  • @pmcgee003
    @pmcgee003 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh wherefore art thou, my old Exidy Sorcerer. :D

  • @DrRChandra
    @DrRChandra 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    probably the best quote: "The hardware is just an excuse to tell those stories"

  • @Willumpie
    @Willumpie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent! I like the long form! Great stories.
    Too bad you passed by the beautiful SGI machines a few times. I don’t know why or how exactly but those machines intrigue me a lot. The Irix operating system as well. I would love a more in depth demo of the platform!

    • @matthewkriebel7342
      @matthewkriebel7342 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I think they're newer than the museums typical fare, but quite awesome. Maybe some day I'll dust of my Indigo 2 and O2. There was a big community online, again, probably because the machines were from the Internet age, but I doubt it's very active any more.

    • @swiftfox3461
      @swiftfox3461 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. I'd like to see one in real life at some point.

  • @mofisbroth
    @mofisbroth 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thoroughly enjoyed this!

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker4662 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You don't have to drag all the tape out of an 8-Track cartridge, once you've opend it up, all the tape is on a single deck spool that can be lifted out. It's a lot less mess but not as much fun. :)

  • @maxcap60
    @maxcap60 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "the hardware is just the excuse to tell the stories."

  • @redhaze8080
    @redhaze8080 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:40 "286 it's for games" luv it. I had an unlicensed Apple IIE, remember it fondly. They got any MicroBee's there ??

  • @tokeeptrackofrandomsubs5899
    @tokeeptrackofrandomsubs5899 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder how long the tour would take if time was not an issue and he'd be able to talk about all the machines that interested him back there... I kinda want a video like that.

  • @dotHTM
    @dotHTM 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Acorn "pizza oven" reminds me of the pizza re-hydrator machine in the background of Back to the Future Part 2

  • @LMacNeill
    @LMacNeill 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Commodore did in fact make PC-compatible hardware with four different Intel CPUs - an 8088, an 80286 (in both 10MHz and 12 MHz speeds), an 80386SX at 16 MHz, and an 80386DX at 25 MHz. They were reasonably-priced, decent, but not spectacular. PC-compatible machines for the mid- to late-1980s.

  • @U014B
    @U014B 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    20:39 Woah! A computer with a synthesizer built in? Did it have a keyboard, or was it just like a pre-AdLib sound card deal?

  • @EscapeMCP
    @EscapeMCP 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember the pizza oven, although I'm sure I remembered it as a toaster, but that might have been innacurate reporting. What you said about the intel chip thing would make sense, as the RPC had a Intel card in to allow the RPC to run dos stuff without any emulation (oh, how I wanted one of those to make the ultimate machine... riscos OS with PC compatibility). Maybe the oven was immediately above the pc card to make the joke stick (the toaster was certainly near the top)
    Where are the other 5 slices of that monster machine though? It had 7 slices IIRC :)

  • @TGC40401
    @TGC40401 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool way to make me feel old!

  • @EU_DHD
    @EU_DHD 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm still using a Power Macintosh :)
    Brilliant machine!

  • @Membrane556
    @Membrane556 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Exidy Sorcerer has to be one of the most 1970s computers ever.

  • @RealLuckless
    @RealLuckless 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The lack of sorting within the storage seems to really bug me for some reason. Maybe they should have a challenge for guests: Write a program to take the list of current inventory and sort them, generating a pull-push list. Program that generates the "Best" sorted with minimum of movements wins.

  • @justice4g
    @justice4g 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    archive.org has a huge computer magazine archive too

  • @gajbooks
    @gajbooks 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ashens made some videos here. Pretty cool place.

  • @feelings-arent-facts
    @feelings-arent-facts 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not to jinx, but what's the fire protocol there?

  • @donaldhobson8873
    @donaldhobson8873 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you have some old computers in the garage, will they accept them?

  • @pierregabory8772
    @pierregabory8772 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are those steven hackett’s imacs?

  • @tocsa120ls
    @tocsa120ls 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No Amigas?

    • @tocsa120ls
      @tocsa120ls 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scratch that, I think I caught a glimpse of a 1500 in the background :)

    • @Computerphile
      @Computerphile  7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      they definitely have Amigas :) - Hoping to do some Commodore stuff soon >Sean

    • @U014B
      @U014B 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bit of a stretch to expect Spanish women in England, innit?

    • @slartibartfast336
      @slartibartfast336 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was watching intently just to see my old 1000, but alas.

  • @davel8116
    @davel8116 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    all that glorious dead-end technology

  • @NyanSten
    @NyanSten 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want that keyboard with a phone. Not necessarily running Sinclair QL.

  • @itaco8066
    @itaco8066 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.
    Thank you

  • @thefakecanadian2651
    @thefakecanadian2651 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually have a question why do some countries even with the same language have different keyboards like UK keyboards vs US keyboard?

  • @recklessroges
    @recklessroges 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you share your digital archive with archive.org?

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    24:42 Because they're *transportable* (aka "luggable") not portable...

  • @Sth0r
    @Sth0r 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Computerphile
    What is the origin of the phrase hold/halt and catch fire?

    • @thenorup
      @thenorup 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A debugging CPU instruction that causes the computer to enter an infinite loop(like reading all the memory forever), and in rare cases actually catching on fire.
      The name is not very good, since it actually causes the computer NOT to halt.

    • @Sth0r
      @Sth0r 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      thenorup thanks...

    • @wisteela
      @wisteela 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 6800 or 6809 has the HCF instruction

  • @thenorup
    @thenorup 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys really need a table somewhere in that area.

  • @andljoy
    @andljoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    That displaywriter beamspring keyboard ..... drool

  • @nikoerforderlich7108
    @nikoerforderlich7108 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:58
    It's a toaster! :D

  • @stevebriggs6469
    @stevebriggs6469 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    380z! First micro I used.

  • @stevec00ps
    @stevec00ps 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did that with Encarta and Compton's too! Original Video For Windows, Intel Indeo and the like

  • @jackdeansmith
    @jackdeansmith 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want the keyboard from the OPD so bad.

  • @macronencer
    @macronencer 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh wow, I didn't know Prince of Persia was made by Brøderbund. They also made the Myst series.

  • @ArnimSommer
    @ArnimSommer 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about a white pointer of destiny?

  • @Ehmiiz
    @Ehmiiz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this guy! gr8 vid

  • @MaGsSv33r
    @MaGsSv33r 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool

  • @Puneet3016
    @Puneet3016 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will probably faint out there ....

  • @wisteela
    @wisteela 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So much cool old stuff. Oddly, I have a similar Toshiba large laptop style portable next to me. I have a couple of training manuals for the IBM Display Writer which I'm willing to donate. I also have an ICL OPD which I'm selling, if anybody wants it. The system box on top of the IBM PC appears to be the expansion unit with one hard disk fitted.
    Oh yes, I remember reading about that pizza oven. Amazing to see it.

  • @rapturas
    @rapturas 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn't Apple chosen because it would come first in a phone book and seen before IBM?

  • @confusedwolf7157
    @confusedwolf7157 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Apple what? (Just joking guys)...CP/M = CONTROL PROGRAM MONITOR. Is OS NOT a LANGUAGE.

  • @feanenatreides
    @feanenatreides 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:35 Guess you could call that a retro smartphone.

  • @hi-friaudioman
    @hi-friaudioman 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could only imagine how many of those machines have replaced cmos batteries... Hopefully there are no original batteries laying around... :-x

  • @hydrochloricacid2146
    @hydrochloricacid2146 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:20 Hey i have one of these ! Rainbow 100A !

  • @RuggTomcat
    @RuggTomcat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lazy Game Reviews would cream himself to be in there...

  • @Giwrg0s
    @Giwrg0s 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still better than my build 😎

  • @mate8609
    @mate8609 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought the video was running on 1.25x speed, I set it to 0.75x and even with this speed this guy is speaking so fast :D

    • @Thorpe
      @Thorpe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seems fine to me but I'm English.

    • @andrewe3165
      @andrewe3165 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mate B. Native language is binary

  • @callistasmith8318
    @callistasmith8318 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is ok

  • @titaniumdiveknife
    @titaniumdiveknife 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh... mama mia!

  • @krisztiannemeth6148
    @krisztiannemeth6148 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are really interesting, but are increasingly hard to watch without an upset stomach. Please *use a tripod*! Or at least try to hold the camera still! Thanks!

  • @dominikschutz6300
    @dominikschutz6300 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Sony MSX doesn't like its place :)

  • @johnbouttell5827
    @johnbouttell5827 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talking of fruit, Banana Computers specializes in refurbished CAD Workstations

  • @bamdadkhan
    @bamdadkhan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    so if CP/M and DOS are 'languages', what is FORTRAN or c? operating systems? xDDDD

  • @baronvonbasscat
    @baronvonbasscat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    That whole place stinks of Rick.

  • @prprtypwner
    @prprtypwner 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Second

  • @CatfoxOps
    @CatfoxOps 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    First!

  • @hungvuhoang7680
    @hungvuhoang7680 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    7th

  • @andrestifyable
    @andrestifyable 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    32 minutes maan... Why don't just divide this video in 2 or 3 parts?

    • @bennylofgren3208
      @bennylofgren3208 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andre Angelo What would the point of that be?

    • @MattExzy
      @MattExzy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Take it like a man, RAWGH

    • @Correctrix
      @Correctrix 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just come back to it later if you're busy.

  • @sebastianelytron8450
    @sebastianelytron8450 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love this channel as much as the next person but 32 minutes?? If I wanted documentaries I'd watch Discovery Channel.......

    • @TheOlian04
      @TheOlian04 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Sebastian Elytron there's maybe one episode like this per year... Some topics just can't be summarized in

    • @richbuilds_com
      @richbuilds_com 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Too short. I could listen to this sort of thing for hours.

    • @tacos7522
      @tacos7522 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      doesn't seem you know much about the channel you so much love ,-, these are common..

    • @hanniffydinn6019
      @hanniffydinn6019 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the future they will invent fast forward ! The future is bright !

    • @calculon000
      @calculon000 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually like the occasional video that's more than 10 minutes. The more you're interested in any topic, the shorter the video seems, and vice/versa.