Quick note: The reason that the general can't move into unobstructed alignment with the opposing general is that there's a rule called "flying general" where if it's your turn and the opposing general is in line with yours, you can move straight across the board and capture it. This never happens during actual play for the same reason a king is never captured in chess.
This comment basically says nothing under the context of a rule video ... "I cannot move my general to that position because it is prohibited by the rule" lmao
Acutally the last part is wrong. The last part is defined as "Perpetual Check" (长将) by Red. It is defined as repeating the position 3 times which one side continuously puts his opponent in check. If "Perpetual Check" happens, the checking side instantly loses. So in the last example, red will lose the game if he checks white with his Horse one more time after white has moved back his General. So red is forced to make other moves in his next turn.
The reason of this rule is to prevent the losing side from making perpetual checks. Since the General in Chinese Chess is less mobile (can't move diagonally & confined to the palace) compared to the King in Chess, giving perpetual checks is significantly easier compared to Chess, so it is very easy for a losing side to find a perpetual check, therefore allowing perpetual checks and declaring a draw like what's done in Chess makes the game boring and you will see most games drawn by perpetual checks if so. Other than "Perpetual Check", "Perpetual Attack" and "Perpetual Mating-Threat" are also prohibited. Making these prohibited moves instantly loses the game. Also one more point that the video didn't mention: Stalemating your opponent is a win.
Just to add on, repeating a position where both sides are counter-checking their opponents is defined as "Perpetual Check vs Perpetual Check" situation. In this situation, it is a draw since both sides are making prohibited moves. This also apply to any other combinations like "Perpetual Check vs Perpetual Attack" or "Perpetual Check and Attack vs Perpetual Attack and Mating-Threat"
@@HD-fy2wu he did mention it at the beginning, you win if the opponent is forced to move into check on their turn (regardless of them currently being in check) both checkmate and stalemate meet this condition, tho he only called it checkmate
The story behind the flying general is that during the chu-han war The black general once saw and shoot the red general with an arrow and almost kill him. That's why you can't move your general Infront of the opponent's general
@@Astrovert296 the first emperor of Han dynasty (Liu Bang) is the 'main cast' in the story. He meet up with the opponent general, Xiang Yu, to make a joke on him by the river but ends up with an arrow in his chest and almost made him killed. He never actually recovered from this wound and eventually died from it many years later.
With whom are you playing these casual games? I've played xiangqi for around 35 years, here in Japan, with both Chinese and Japanese opponents. NOT ONCE has anyone ever said "check" in either Japanese (王手) or Mandarin (将).
Well, you're able to capture The General if you didn't say a check(or "Jiang-Jun" in Chinese) and your opponent didn't find out he's in check, but that's not good for your manner
Conventional wisdom says that the double cannon check (雙炮將) is almost impossible to escape: unless you're able to either move the general to another column or row, or capture the cannon furthest from the general, this will always result in checkmate, since putting any piece in between the general and the closer cannon won't block the check
If there's a western chess variant of the Xiangqi, a pawn on the 5th rank can move sideways but never promotes. And the cannon could be OP if you're not careful. Chinese Knights getting blocked sucks, so it retains the western version.
There's also grasshopper chess which was inspired by those cannons(though they can also move diagonally, and only go to one square beyond the jumped piece)
Western Chess have been played before Cannon was made. At first people wanted to add Cannon into Chess but there is a problem that we have to change the whole chessboard structure, so Cannon will never be added to Chess. That was disappointing. You can share this comment to other people if they complain about the existence of Cannon in chess.
So: Chariot =Rook the strongest piece Solder=Pawn but doesn’t capture pieces diagonally and getting stronger after pass the river and can’t promote to any piece. Horse=Knight but don’t know how to jump Genaral=King but can’t move diagonally or go out the palace, the piece you must protect as all costs. And the funniest thing is you can’t let your General face to face with the enemy’s General. Guard=King but can’t move vertically or horizontally or go out the palace Elephant= Bishop but pretty nerf, can’t even pass the river, move 2 points diagonally Cannon: actually move like a Rook/Chariot but capture pieces by jumping over a piece’s head, doesn’t care about what piece it jump over to capture a piece behind it. Fun fact: In my country-Vietnam this game is really popular and it is played most by the elderly people.
I used to play that game back in my school days but I changed and went with western chess because of the tournaments they host. Most of the time Asian schools host Chinese chess but rarely western chess.
If you have a chess piece blocking your knight in any vertical way, you cant move the knight, in chinese it is called "顶马脚" Edit: you cant move the knight over the blocking chess piece
checking your opponent 3 times in a row does not let either win, but if the check contines, the side giving the check must change a move or else he lose pls change the rules there is: 长将作负 长捉作负 长拦作和 一将一杀作负 一将一捉作负 and more...
The cannon is my fav piece! Love setting up sneaky snipes with that thing. There’s also a checkmate move that became (or derived from?) a saying: 馬後炮 (cannon behind the horse). It’s a checkmate move where the enemy general is stuck either getting taken by the horse or sniped by the cannon hidden behind it. As a saying, it’s the equivalent of “Monday morning quarterback”.
I can teach you one of the openings: + If the opponents move the Cannon from h3 or b3 to e3, move your cannon (on the same side) to e8. + The opponents are likely to defend their center soldier with one of their Horses, move your center cannon down to e9. + Then, they are likely to take your center soldier cuz' it's undefended. Move your other Cannon between yours and theirs. + R.I.P their cannon. - This opening is called the "Center-threatening Cannons" or something.
Cannon in the Center is just quite powerful. Double cannon with nothing else in the Center is instant checkmate, and the cannon itself prevents blocks, so it’s a huge blow because you are kinda forced to move general, which is as bad as moving the king out
In Chinese Chess, there’s no h3, moving of piece are called ‘(type) (column) (forward/backward/horizontal) (destination)’ Example: cannon from 2nd column (counted from R to L) moves to centre is called ‘Cannon 2 horizontal to five’ (炮二平五)
I'm Chinese and it's funny because Chess and XiangQi(Chinese Chess) has many similarities. In China, we tend to call a rook in chess a "chariot", and a bishop "elephant", because they have similar moves
You mentioned 3 ways to get out of check, but the cannon capturing by jumping over a piece between itself and the piece it captures implies a 4th way to get out of check, which is to move the piece that is between the cannon and your general so that there is no longer a piece between the cannon and your general.
One more important rule: If you have no legal move can make, you loss, instead of a stalemate. I always think that the rule of no legal move in the chess end up with stalemate is unreasonable... Also, when the soldier got the bottom line of the opposing side, it does nothing, it cannot be promoted like the chess.
Rather than saying that you lose instead of having a stalemate, it is more accurate to say that getting stalemated results in a loss, unlike chess, where a stalemate is a draw by default.
@@roycevanbeethoven I think no move is lose because the Xiang Yu suicide when he was surrounded by Han army. He tried his best, to kill up to hundreds of enemy, but he was wounded heavily, can’t even fight anymore. Instead of killed by enemy, he suicide.
I can see how historically accurate this is. Many small Chinese nations would fight by a river, so it would make sense to add a river. If there were a 3 player version, it would definitely be where the river creates a fork path.
1. Pawns or soldiers are worth 1 point (2 points after crossing the river). 2. Elephant worth is 2 points 3. Advisors are worth 2 points 4. Knights or horses worth 4 points 5. Cannons are 4.5 points 6. Chariots are 9 points 8. Finally is the King which worths most and cannot aim the other King, just for sure
Cannon is a hopper Hoppers add an important extra dimension to chess: they make it possible to show ‘antiforms’ of rider effects (such as antipin & antibattery)
now, for the epic battle everyone waits for: western chess vs chinese chess: they both respectively have a VERY broken chess piece (pawn, cannon, queen, chariot and rook) they both have different rules and placements, so you might want to get a special board that fits the pieces, but works too. and then, you can have the epic battle. probably western chess will be winning, because they have much more broken pieces than the cannon, like the queen and rook. soldier can outmatch the pawn, while cannon outmaches rook. the western horse outmaches chinese horse, and a lot more differences that make the battle interesting. but mostly its just depending on how big brain you are
No one would win since no piece can be captured. Western chess pieces sit on squares while chinese chess pieces sit on intersections. No piece can land on another.
@@noobychoco454 Unless, of course, if a western or chinese piece captures a piece from the opposite faction, it turns into the opposite faction version of that piece. Like, a pawn becomes a soldier and vice versa XD
It's a nice casual game I used to play back in school. But today is mostly western chess, even Chinese grandmasters like Ding Liren & Hou Yifan play western chess instead.
if you know Chinese characters it will be more interesting，the horse and elephant actually moves in Chinese “日”，and “田”， now 田 is not so special coz its square，but 日 could be horizontal and vertical ，（aka: half 田 stay horizontal，so horse is a big factor in Chinese chess，coz it can moves very different ）also，horse can be tripped if there is one chess in between the same side of the horse，Chinese chess combines great wisdom of our culture and ancient war . It contains various changes，really an intellectual game to play.
3:06 is false, it is actually the other way around. Three-fold repetition check is an imediate loss for the person doing that. Note that it is only a loss for the person doing it only if the same position is repeated 3 CONSECUTIVE times while IN CHECK.
The video did not mention any draw rules, which in xiangqi is much more complicated than in chess. These are the actions which is an automatic draw in chess, but not in xiangqi: 1. Stalemate is a loss for the person being stalemated 2. Three-fold check repetition is a loss for the person doing it (I have mentioned it) 3. Three-fold ATTACK repetition is also a loss for the person doing it. Similar to the 2nd rule, the three-fold must be consecutive. Note that rule 2 and 3 have MANY exceptions. I will mention it in the next part. 4. 50-move rule in xiangqi is if after 50 moves (each person has finished 50 turns), no piece is captured. It is not an automatic draw if the 50-move rule is reached, unless one person claims a draw. These are ways to draw a xiangqi match: - Both sides agree to a draw (easiest) - Draw due to some exceptions of rule 2 and 3 (these situations are extremely rare): + One side does three-fold check repetition is a loss. But both side do this consecutively, one after the other is an automatic draw + A chariot (rook) do three-fold attack repetition to a canon is a loss. But if that canon is protected (by other pieces), it is an automatic draw + A canon do three-fold attack repetition to a chariot is a loss. But a canon do three-fold attack repetition to 2 chariots consecutively is a draw + Within 2 moves, a piece from side A attacks a piece from side B twice, all in a while B attacks A only once. Do this 3 times (6 moves in total) and A loses
3:05 iirc if you use the same piece to continuously attempt to capture an opponent's piece (general or not) such that the position repeats three times, then the attacker must forfeit the game. However, if the same position is achieved three times but using different pieces to attempt capture, it is a draw. Overall nice video! I had been waiting for this to drop as I am a big fan of Chinese Chess myself :)
I am looking at my 2 childrens watching winnie the pooh while visiting the beautiful country of taiwan, i changed the tv to watch the history channel instead, luckily it is about tiananmeng square at 1989, then i proceed to play video games for 10 hours straight
Very interesting. Specifically because a few buddies of mine learned korean chess a few years back. It uses the same board and pieces, but slightly different rules. I'd be curious to see a video comparing the two, since translated rules leave some questions wanting.
@@hanwentian8096 In chess, depending on the event, sometimes the first illegal move is some other minor penalty rather than an immediate lose. While in Xiangqi no "event rule" can overwrite that putting yourself in check is an immediate lose.
Can you introduce korean chess? idk about north one tho but at least in south korea, it uses the similar layout with chinese chess, but there are no river, general(king) starts on middle of palace and able to move diagonally along drawn line, elephant go one step forward two step diagonally without jumping over, and cannon must jump over the piece to move, etc...
Japan has its own chess called Shogi, I was wondering a GM named Hikaru Nakamura was from Japan, he was born there but moved to the US. I'm sure he knows about Shogi
I'm just now wondering if there's a Mongolian or Siberian (east russian) chess. And I've been wondering if there was a varient in native North and South America
There's a thing called stalemate, like chess, the general is not in check but no legal moves, but in this case, whoever performs it wins like checkmate. For the checking 3 times, idk but sometimes if u check too many times u lose. For general, the exception to move more than one step and out of the palace is the situation where two generals are on the same line without other pieces, where one general can take the other one in, which this rarely can happen as if u move ur general into danger is already illegal.
Btw insufficient material can also be draw, where no attacking pieces are left like the ones who can perform check, unless in some games where moving general into check isn't illegal, which is super rare
there is another rule for the solider instead of forcing the solider to move diagonally or vertically after crossing the river some people (including my friends and I) have the solider move left, right, or forward
You and your friends are right. Soldiers are only allowed to move forward until they cross the river, after which, they are allowed to move one space orthogonally in three directions, but never backwards. No variant of xiangqi that I am aware of allows diagonal movement for soldiers.
For the horse, its movement pattern is very specific, in that it moves 1 point horizontally or vertically before moving 1 point diagonally. If there is a piece in the way horizontally or vertically, then the horse may not jump over it.
Chess variants West of India: only slightly changes to the game compared to original (Indian), you can play basically using the same board and pieces (unless you are really picky about the aesthetics of elephants looking like bishops, bishops looking like elephants or something like that) Chess variants East of India: LET'S REPLACE BOARD AND CHANGE MOST OF PIECES
Mostly because this isn't even chess. It's just a game that the Chinese played and for which westerners didn't have a word. Often, when that happens and a new "translation" has to be invented, the new thing just gets called "[country name] + [whatever the translator is reminded of by that thing]". Think of the Chinese "dragons" or the Chinese "zodiac", for example.
@@xeno2752 Except this game originated from the same Indian "original chess" as "western chess", it still belongs to the same "family". What I am referring to is that Persia, Arabic World and Europe didn't alter game that much, making basically "variants" while in China and Japan it evolved into basically separate games with similarities.
The minister (elephant) is originally from Xiangqi as you can see it was designed for a 9x10 board. The counselor or scholar was designed for the 3x3 palace so they could guard each other. When these pieces were moved to the squares, one counselor was removed but the move stayed the same which was a rather useless piece that only moves diagonal one square. The original movements of the minister and scholar obviously came from the 9x10 intersection board and they didn't fit the 8x8 square board so the pieces minister became a modern day bishop and the scholar became a modern day queen.
Captured pieces are removed from the board and may no longer be used, that's why the general may move only 1 point horizontally and vertically, and it's confined to the 9 points within the palace.
Have you, or your team if it's many people ever tried making up specific rules for a modified chess? Or do you only do chess variants made by someone else?
Wait, the repetition rules are kinda vague. You cannot repeat moves more than twice, but if you force your opponent to repeat the same three times with (the same or varied checks?), they must forfeit? There needs to be more clarification.
The repetition rules are not only vague, they are wrong. Placing your opponent in perpetual check with one piece (e.g., continuously checking your opponent with just a horse) for more than six times results in an automatic loss for the player attempting the perpetual check. Placing your opponent in perpetual check with two pieces (e.g., using a horse and a cannon to continuously check the opponent's general) has a repetition limit of twelve, after which it is an automatic loss for the player attempting the perpetual check. Perpetual checks with three pieces have a repetition limit of eighteen. There is also perpetual chasing, where a player chases an opponent's piece perpetually. Automatic losses also apply for the chasing player similarly after six repetitions with one piece, twelve repetitions with two pieces, eighteen repetitions with three pieces. If one player is perpetually checking and the other player is perpetually chasing, the player perpetually checking must stop doing so, or it will be an automatic loss for the perpetually checking player.
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There are parts you did not mention : 1. The Pawn doesn't capture diagonally, sideway capture allowed after crossing the river, once it reaches the end of the board, it doesn't Promote 2. A bonus, if both knights confront each other, if a piece blocks one of the knight's movement, that knight cannot capture that knight but allowed vice versa, unlike western chess' knights.
Point 1 Doesn’t matter because he didn’t say the rules were the same as regular chess, he said at the start that a capture works by landing on a piece through regular movement unless explicitly stated otherwise. He didn’t mention promotion for the same reason.
very interesting. I like the fact that the general and the guard is confined in a palace like the base or spawn in bas. The cannon is a very interesting piece but I think it's a bit situational and gimmicky. good chess mod 7/10
It's an actual board game come from China, popular mostly in Asian countries but not the world, even Chinese grandmasters like Ding Liren & Hou Yifan played Western chess instead.
They don't exactly have flying general in Xiangqi either, since creating this scenario involves placing your general in check, which is an illegal move in the first place.
Chess and xiangqi, as well as other regional variants such as janggi and shogi, are believed to have a common ancestor, chaturanga, which originated in the area which is now modern-day India.
As the other person said, it does. It's just phrased that way in some variations because of some kind of restriction. In this case, it's a restriction to help with determining if a horse has jumped a piece. If a horse would hit another piece on it's first move (the one in any of the four cardinal directions), it can't take that move, or either diagonal after.
@@deadersurvival4716 Yes you land on the same square. But in Chinese chess you cannot move the piece through occupied squares, so it does make a difference.
I have invented a game rule which is "Chinese Chess VS Chess" The player of the "chess" has only two pieces: Queen and King The player of the "Chinese chess" has all of the pieces that this video mentioned The player of the "Chinese chess" determines who goes first if the "chess" goes first, the starting position of the queen and king is determined by the "Chinese chess" player if the "Chinese chess" goes first, starting position of the queen and king is determined by the "chess" player The King can move diagonally and out of the palace(King is not general, it's the classic king) The Queen moves just like normal queen who wins?
Chinese chess. No way the queen matches up for all the other Chinese chess pieces combined. Even in international chess a queen might not be able to beat two rooks
WHY THE TWO GENERAL CANNOT FACE TO FACE ? BECAUSE IN THE REAL HISTORY, 項羽（BLUE GENERAL ）USED BOW AND ARROW TO SHOOT 劉邦（RED GENERAL ）WHEN THEY FACE TO FACE
@@rednetherbrick3178 it means if there is a piece that can check the general/king but its position is behind the general, that move will be considered is invalid
Quick note: The reason that the general can't move into unobstructed alignment with the opposing general is that there's a rule called "flying general" where if it's your turn and the opposing general is in line with yours, you can move straight across the board and capture it. This never happens during actual play for the same reason a king is never captured in chess.
I can counter; I have been in checkmate with a flying general.
"Sir! The kingdom can't run without you!"
"I must go, for it is a warlord's duty to kill."
*Flys Hong Kong movie style across the board*
@@deedeeen As in the actual capture doesn’t happen, similar to how king isn’t captured in chess
@@kohwenxu that line is just not needed
This comment basically says nothing under the context of a rule video ... "I cannot move my general to that position because it is prohibited by the rule" lmao
Acutally the last part is wrong.
The last part is defined as "Perpetual Check" (长将) by Red. It is defined as repeating the position 3 times which one side continuously puts his opponent in check. If "Perpetual Check" happens, the checking side instantly loses. So in the last example, red will lose the game if he checks white with his Horse one more time after white has moved back his General. So red is forced to make other moves in his next turn.
The reason of this rule is to prevent the losing side from making perpetual checks. Since the General in Chinese Chess is less mobile (can't move diagonally & confined to the palace) compared to the King in Chess, giving perpetual checks is significantly easier compared to Chess, so it is very easy for a losing side to find a perpetual check, therefore allowing perpetual checks and declaring a draw like what's done in Chess makes the game boring and you will see most games drawn by perpetual checks if so.
Other than "Perpetual Check", "Perpetual Attack" and "Perpetual Mating-Threat" are also prohibited. Making these prohibited moves instantly loses the game.
Also one more point that the video didn't mention: Stalemating your opponent is a win.
Just to add on, repeating a position where both sides are counter-checking their opponents is defined as "Perpetual Check vs Perpetual Check" situation. In this situation, it is a draw since both sides are making prohibited moves.
This also apply to any other combinations like "Perpetual Check vs Perpetual Attack" or "Perpetual Check and Attack vs Perpetual Attack and Mating-Threat"
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@@HD-fy2wu thanks mate
@@HD-fy2wu he did mention it at the beginning, you win if the opponent is forced to move into check on their turn (regardless of them currently being in check)
both checkmate and stalemate meet this condition, tho he only called it checkmate
"Chinese Chess:How to play."
Me:"The rules are the same as regular chess except for these changes..."
"The object of the game..."
Me:Wait
Same. My head was so used to this that is turned into "Waaaaaait"
Relatable
I did this.
Yup, that was me too.
For a refresher of those rules check out this video
The story behind the flying general is that during the chu-han war
The black general once saw and shoot the red general with an arrow and almost kill him.
That's why you can't move your general Infront of the opponent's general
is it real. can i see the source?
@@Astrovert296 It is true. This war happened 2200 years ago.
@@Astrovert296 the first emperor of Han dynasty (Liu Bang) is the 'main cast' in the story. He meet up with the opponent general, Xiang Yu, to make a joke on him by the river but ends up with an arrow in his chest and almost made him killed. He never actually recovered from this wound and eventually died from it many years later.
@@Astrovert296 lmao
@@yaoyuchen7301 lmao
2:35 You don't have to say check. This rule has been officially abolished many years ago. Although in casual games most people tend to say check.
Wrong
With whom are you playing these casual games? I've played xiangqi for around 35 years, here in Japan, with both Chinese and Japanese opponents. NOT ONCE has anyone ever said "check" in either Japanese (王手) or Mandarin (将).
@@benjaminskymaverickp4464 Wrong. See I can make contrarian comments have zero context or backing too! Isn't this nice!
@@DieFlabbergast thats the thing
they're not cassuals
Well, you're able to capture The General if you didn't say a check(or "Jiang-Jun" in Chinese) and your opponent didn't find out he's in check, but that's not good for your manner
Conventional wisdom says that the double cannon check (雙炮將) is almost impossible to escape: unless you're able to either move the general to another column or row, or capture the cannon furthest from the general, this will always result in checkmate, since putting any piece in between the general and the closer cannon won't block the check
It's just really hard to block a double cannon check.
You need to cover the cannon behind house (馬後炮), that's a killer move. Also this idiom is so common that it changes its meaning throughout time.
Just put one piece between the double cannons.
@@bj031i6vup ahhhh si, this move is quite favoured in national tournaments
@@vibinmikegothyped3270 what if the cannons are together
This actually dope, i really like the palace part
It's a unique twist, just like the River and Cannon.
The Elephant has been done outside this, so it's not _as_ unique
The cannon is the unique piece here. Imagine cannon in normal chess.
Fun fact: In Serbian, rook is called cannon. So cannon is canon.
It's OK, I'll show myself out...
If there's a western chess variant of the Xiangqi, a pawn on the 5th rank can move sideways but never promotes. And the cannon could be OP if you're not careful. Chinese Knights getting blocked sucks, so it retains the western version.
There's also grasshopper chess which was inspired by those cannons(though they can also move diagonally, and only go to one square beyond the jumped piece)
Western Chess have been played before Cannon was made. At first people wanted to add Cannon into Chess but there is a problem that we have to change the whole chessboard structure, so Cannon will never be added to Chess. That was disappointing.
You can share this comment to other people if they complain about the existence of Cannon in chess.
@@LuxisAlukard bruh
So:
Chariot =Rook the strongest piece
Solder=Pawn but doesn’t capture pieces diagonally and getting stronger after pass the river and can’t promote to any piece.
Horse=Knight but don’t know how to jump
Genaral=King but can’t move diagonally or go out the palace, the piece you must protect as all costs. And the funniest thing is you can’t let your General face to face with the enemy’s General.
Guard=King but can’t move vertically or horizontally or go out the palace
Elephant= Bishop but pretty nerf, can’t even pass the river, move 2 points diagonally
Cannon: actually move like a Rook/Chariot but capture pieces by jumping over a piece’s head, doesn’t care about what piece it jump over to capture a piece behind it.
Fun fact: In my country-Vietnam this game is really popular and it is played most by the elderly people.
I used to play that game back in my school days but I changed and went with western chess because of the tournaments they host. Most of the time Asian schools host Chinese chess but rarely western chess.
@@pronixnood yup that’s right
@@pronixnood yeah I like that rule a lot
If you have a chess piece blocking your knight in any vertical way, you cant move the knight, in chinese it is called "顶马脚"
Edit: you cant move the knight over the blocking chess piece
Unless it is two step away from your knight, you can't move it
checking your opponent 3 times in a row does not let either win, but if the check contines, the side giving the check must change a move or else he lose
pls change the rules
there is:
长将作负
长捉作负
长拦作和
一将一杀作负
一将一捉作负
and more...
The Soldier be like: I crossed this dangerous river that was in my way, now let's go alongside the river.
Normal chess: king can go anywhere even being check.....
Chinese chess: General: I can't escape the palace and you all need to guard me or else....
@@syahmimisnan1734 Chinese Cheers general: ...but hey, I got this cool particle cannon. I wonder how it does to the enemy general though...
@@Schinshikss The cannon is actually OP. I used it quite often to mate my opponent, and to trap their Chariots, too lol.
Btw, one OP thing about cannons is that if there are two cannons on the General’s row it’s an instant checkmate
So long as there isn’t anything else in the way that is.
The cannon is my fav piece! Love setting up sneaky snipes with that thing.
There’s also a checkmate move that became (or derived from?) a saying: 馬後炮 (cannon behind the horse). It’s a checkmate move where the enemy general is stuck either getting taken by the horse or sniped by the cannon hidden behind it. As a saying, it’s the equivalent of “Monday morning quarterback”.
I can teach you one of the openings:
+ If the opponents move the Cannon from h3 or b3 to e3, move your cannon (on the same side) to e8.
+ The opponents are likely to defend their center soldier with one of their Horses, move your center cannon down to e9.
+ Then, they are likely to take your center soldier cuz' it's undefended. Move your other Cannon between yours and theirs.
+ R.I.P their cannon.
- This opening is called the "Center-threatening Cannons" or something.
Cannon in the Center is just quite powerful.
Double cannon with nothing else in the Center is instant checkmate, and the cannon itself prevents blocks, so it’s a huge blow because you are kinda forced to move general, which is as bad as moving the king out
In Chinese Chess, there’s no h3, moving of piece are called ‘(type) (column) (forward/backward/horizontal) (destination)’
Example: cannon from 2nd column (counted from R to L) moves to centre is called ‘Cannon 2 horizontal to five’ (炮二平五)
@@bryansiew9707 Yup, thanks for the info, I am not a professional player by any means. Just trying to get people to understand the trap.
nope, the REAL opening is just to copy move
I'm Chinese and it's funny because Chess and XiangQi(Chinese Chess) has many similarities.
In China, we tend to call a rook in chess a "chariot", and a bishop "elephant", because they have similar moves
I forgot what a rook is called in Chinese
@@freeeggs3811the red elephant it means chief advisor in Chinese
@@freeeggs3811the guard too it has two meanings one being guard or the more common one in ancient China the scholar
this is no surprise because chess and xiangqi both come from the indian game chaturanga, meaning they have the same origins
i have never heard anyone called the bishop the elephant, i do hear lots of people calling the rook the chariot tho
You mentioned 3 ways to get out of check, but the cannon capturing by jumping over a piece between itself and the piece it captures implies a 4th way to get out of check, which is to move the piece that is between the cannon and your general so that there is no longer a piece between the cannon and your general.
Oh yes thats also another way to get out of check
One more important rule: If you have no legal move can make, you loss, instead of a stalemate.
I always think that the rule of no legal move in the chess end up with stalemate is unreasonable...
Also, when the soldier got the bottom line of the opposing side, it does nothing, it cannot be promoted like the chess.
It can be moved horizontal after the river, it won’t do nothing even in the last row
Rather than saying that you lose instead of having a stalemate, it is more accurate to say that getting stalemated results in a loss, unlike chess, where a stalemate is a draw by default.
If you’re pro enough, soldier also can checkmate your opponent.
@@roycevanbeethoven I think no move is lose because the Xiang Yu suicide when he was surrounded by Han army.
He tried his best, to kill up to hundreds of enemy, but he was wounded heavily, can’t even fight anymore. Instead of killed by enemy, he suicide.
Stalemate in chess makes sense because the pieces have more freedom, so stalemate is rarer
"The rules and object are the same as regular chess except for the following changes.
Chinese chess and international chess is different game，the only coincidence is the totally pieces is 32， 16 pieces each side
I can see how historically accurate this is.
Many small Chinese nations would fight by a river, so it would make sense to add a river.
If there were a 3 player version, it would definitely be where the river creates a fork path.
This existed earlier than chess
@@auberninja5090 among us irl (sus)
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@@Tay10rd bruh its the opposite way
I love xiangqi. It feels a lot puzzlier trying to put together a check without the aid of really any diagonals.
We play this all the time even though we are not chinese.
i eat ramen all the time even though im not japanese
i eat baguette all the time even though I am not French
I eat people all the time even though my name isn't Hannibal.
I'm Chinese and I don't even play it
I eat pizza even though I'm not Italian
1. Pawns or soldiers are worth 1 point (2 points after crossing the river).
2. Elephant worth is 2 points
3. Advisors are worth 2 points
4. Knights or horses worth 4 points
5. Cannons are 4.5 points
6. Chariots are 9 points
8. Finally is the King which worths most and cannot aim the other King, just for sure
Cannon is a hopper
Hoppers add an important extra dimension to chess: they make it possible to show ‘antiforms’ of rider effects (such as antipin & antibattery)
Ive always been interested in this one
Me too, it's been way overdue since the last time he covered the Animal Chess while I was searching his video gallery for the Chinese Chess.
now, for the epic battle everyone waits for:
western chess vs chinese chess:
they both respectively have a VERY broken chess piece (pawn, cannon, queen, chariot and rook)
they both have different rules and placements, so you might want to get a special board that fits the pieces, but works too. and then, you can have the epic battle. probably western chess will be winning, because they have much more broken pieces than the cannon, like the queen and rook. soldier can outmatch the pawn, while cannon outmaches rook. the western horse outmaches chinese horse, and a lot more differences that make the battle interesting. but mostly its just depending on how big brain you are
According to my experience in chess the rook is actually more powerful than the cannon
@@OW0974 yeah technically but you can treat cannon as an extra rook
No one would win since no piece can be captured. Western chess pieces sit on squares while chinese chess pieces sit on intersections. No piece can land on another.
@@MansMan42069 true
@@noobychoco454 Unless, of course, if a western or chinese piece captures a piece from the opposite faction, it turns into the opposite faction version of that piece.
Like, a pawn becomes a soldier and vice versa XD
Regular Chess 🤝 Chinese Chess: Horses have a funky way of moving
China's chess is kinda interesting ngl
It's a nice casual game I used to play back in school. But today is mostly western chess, even Chinese grandmasters like Ding Liren & Hou Yifan play western chess instead.
if you know Chinese characters it will be more interesting，the horse and elephant actually moves in Chinese “日”，and “田”， now 田 is not so special coz its square，but 日 could be horizontal and vertical ，（aka: half 田 stay horizontal，so horse is a big factor in Chinese chess，coz it can moves very different ）also，horse can be tripped if there is one chess in between the same side of the horse，Chinese chess combines great wisdom of our culture and ancient war . It contains various changes，really an intellectual game to play.
3:06 is false, it is actually the other way around. Three-fold repetition check is an imediate loss for the person doing that. Note that it is only a loss for the person doing it only if the same position is repeated 3 CONSECUTIVE times while IN CHECK.
The video did not mention any draw rules, which in xiangqi is much more complicated than in chess.
These are the actions which is an automatic draw in chess, but not in xiangqi:
1. Stalemate is a loss for the person being stalemated
2. Three-fold check repetition is a loss for the person doing it (I have mentioned it)
3. Three-fold ATTACK repetition is also a loss for the person doing it. Similar to the 2nd rule, the three-fold must be consecutive.
Note that rule 2 and 3 have MANY exceptions. I will mention it in the next part.
4. 50-move rule in xiangqi is if after 50 moves (each person has finished 50 turns), no piece is captured. It is not an automatic draw if the 50-move rule is reached, unless one person claims a draw.
These are ways to draw a xiangqi match:
- Both sides agree to a draw (easiest)
- Draw due to some exceptions of rule 2 and 3 (these situations are extremely rare):
+ One side does three-fold check repetition is a loss. But both side do this consecutively, one after the other is an automatic draw
+ A chariot (rook) do three-fold attack repetition to a canon is a loss. But if that canon is protected (by other pieces), it is an automatic draw
+ A canon do three-fold attack repetition to a chariot is a loss. But a canon do three-fold attack repetition to 2 chariots consecutively is a draw
+ Within 2 moves, a piece from side A attacks a piece from side B twice, all in a while B attacks A only once. Do this 3 times (6 moves in total) and A loses
3:05 iirc if you use the same piece to continuously attempt to capture an opponent's piece (general or not) such that the position repeats three times, then the attacker must forfeit the game. However, if the same position is achieved three times but using different pieces to attempt capture, it is a draw.
Overall nice video! I had been waiting for this to drop as I am a big fan of Chinese Chess myself :)
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Fun fact: the chariot moves the same as the rook in classic chess because the rook comes from the word "rukh" in persian wich means chariot.
Very interesting. Specifically because a few buddies of mine learned korean chess a few years back. It uses the same board and pieces, but slightly different rules. I'd be curious to see a video comparing the two, since translated rules leave some questions wanting.
Is stalemate still a draw in this?
No
Technically there is no stalemate since putting yourself in check IS a legal move and the opponent wins by capturing your king.
Stalemate is a win for the player who stalemates, not a draw.
@@liweicai2796 If it makes you lose than what is the point of it being legal?
@@hanwentian8096 In chess, depending on the event, sometimes the first illegal move is some other minor penalty rather than an immediate lose. While in Xiangqi no "event rule" can overwrite that putting yourself in check is an immediate lose.
Can you introduce korean chess?
idk about north one tho but at least in south korea, it uses the similar layout with chinese chess, but there are no river, general(king) starts on middle of palace and able to move diagonally along drawn line, elephant go one step forward two step diagonally without jumping over, and cannon must jump over the piece to move, etc...
Japan has its own chess called Shogi, I was wondering a GM named Hikaru Nakamura was from Japan, he was born there but moved to the US. I'm sure he knows about Shogi
I'm just now wondering if there's a Mongolian or Siberian (east russian) chess.
And I've been wondering if there was a varient in native North and South America
I like how you explain the use of 🐎 horse馬… it’s easy understand by foreigner…
There's a thing called stalemate, like chess, the general is not in check but no legal moves, but in this case, whoever performs it wins like checkmate. For the checking 3 times, idk but sometimes if u check too many times u lose. For general, the exception to move more than one step and out of the palace is the situation where two generals are on the same line without other pieces, where one general can take the other one in, which this rarely can happen as if u move ur general into danger is already illegal.
Btw insufficient material can also be draw, where no attacking pieces are left like the ones who can perform check, unless in some games where moving general into check isn't illegal, which is super rare
Is there promotion for soldiers once they reach the back rank?
Is there stalemate (one side has no legal moves)?
Can you offer a draw?
No promotion. Soldiers can move horizontally along the back rank.
Stalemate is a victory for the attacking player, not a draw.
You can offer a draw
@@jojbenedoot7459 Thxx
you need a video about Korean Janggi, it's got differently shaped and sized pieces, with varied rules (like no river)
some of the other play of the chess works on Chinese chess as well.
Palace?
Why not call it commander's tend
as i imagine that kind of battle
Very informative, Thankyou. Now I’m off to play Chinese chess.
Yeah, I have played Chinese Checkers, this game seems fun, I love the mechanic of rivers in chess games too.
there is another rule for the solider instead of forcing the solider to move diagonally or vertically after crossing the river some people (including my friends and I) have the solider move left, right, or forward
You and your friends are right. Soldiers are only allowed to move forward until they cross the river, after which, they are allowed to move one space orthogonally in three directions, but never backwards. No variant of xiangqi that I am aware of allows diagonal movement for soldiers.
I did play this until the time I was blink, and I can't remember which one is my Chariot since the piece written in Chinese
Blink?
I used to see many oldman playing this in my local coffee shop... And i never know the rules until now
pao is very tricky
horsy was nerfed horsy can’t cross other pieces
Actually, red aka Han dynasty goes first. And you must do stalemate if it’s the same as original chess. Then you win
For the horse, its movement pattern is very specific, in that it moves 1 point horizontally or vertically before moving 1 point diagonally. If there is a piece in the way horizontally or vertically, then the horse may not jump over it.
correct
Chess variants West of India: only slightly changes to the game compared to original (Indian), you can play basically using the same board and pieces (unless you are really picky about the aesthetics of elephants looking like bishops, bishops looking like elephants or something like that)
Chess variants East of India: LET'S REPLACE BOARD AND CHANGE MOST OF PIECES
fun fact: in Russian, bishop is called elefant
Mostly because this isn't even chess. It's just a game that the Chinese played and for which westerners didn't have a word. Often, when that happens and a new "translation" has to be invented, the new thing just gets called "[country name] + [whatever the translator is reminded of by that thing]". Think of the Chinese "dragons" or the Chinese "zodiac", for example.
@@xeno2752 Except this game originated from the same Indian "original chess" as "western chess", it still belongs to the same "family".
What I am referring to is that Persia, Arabic World and Europe didn't alter game that much, making basically "variants" while in China and Japan it evolved into basically separate games with similarities.
@@nothernstar2576 And in Polish "bishop" is called "messenger"
And "knight" is called "jumper" or "horse"
The minister (elephant) is originally from Xiangqi as you can see it was designed for a 9x10 board. The counselor or scholar was designed for the 3x3 palace so they could guard each other. When these pieces were moved to the squares, one counselor was removed but the move stayed the same which was a rather useless piece that only moves diagonal one square.
The original movements of the minister and scholar obviously came from the 9x10 intersection board and they didn't fit the 8x8 square board so the pieces minister became a modern day bishop and the scholar became a modern day queen.
Captured pieces are removed from the board and may no longer be used, that's why the general may move only 1 point horizontally and vertically, and it's confined to the 9 points within the palace.
3:12 pretty sure that’s not true. I not really good at it but I have played Chinese chess since I was 6
I'm pretty sure that if one side's pieces can't move then the side that can move wins.
Why general and guard CAN'T move out of the PALACE?
Because it is the rule?
I still don’t even fricking understand
I was planning on buying checkers but got one of these and now I’m still confused
Taking what makes chess good and then putting something that feels like it on top of regular chess is what's happening with national variants
Thanks brother
tefaz!!! 🤣
Ah! Reminds me of the good ol’ days when I used to play this!
Have you, or your team if it's many people ever tried making up specific rules for a modified chess? Or do you only do chess variants made by someone else?
im here to learn this thing so when i get older i get to play this while drinking a tea and act like a retired general or a wise man.
Like your explaination!
I have play this before when I was kid... Sadly the general can't escape the palace...
Wait, the repetition rules are kinda vague. You cannot repeat moves more than twice, but if you force your opponent to repeat the same three times with (the same or varied checks?), they must forfeit? There needs to be more clarification.
The repetition rules are not only vague, they are wrong. Placing your opponent in perpetual check with one piece (e.g., continuously checking your opponent with just a horse) for more than six times results in an automatic loss for the player attempting the perpetual check. Placing your opponent in perpetual check with two pieces (e.g., using a horse and a cannon to continuously check the opponent's general) has a repetition limit of twelve, after which it is an automatic loss for the player attempting the perpetual check. Perpetual checks with three pieces have a repetition limit of eighteen.
There is also perpetual chasing, where a player chases an opponent's piece perpetually. Automatic losses also apply for the chasing player similarly after six repetitions with one piece, twelve repetitions with two pieces, eighteen repetitions with three pieces.
If one player is perpetually checking and the other player is perpetually chasing, the player perpetually checking must stop doing so, or it will be an automatic loss for the perpetually checking player.
One to say:stalemate in Chinese chess is also a winning position
Can you do one on Janggi (Korean Chess)?
I'll look into it
You forgot "The rules are the same as regular chess, except for these changes". LOL
So basically its exactly the same as english chess? (Please correct me if im wrong) You juist use a different set of pieces.
There are pieces like elephant, guard and cannon which doesn’t exist is chess
On a roll with the possibility free games.
COL thanks for teaching us
Thanks for sharing basic rules of Xiangqi chess😀
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Battle Chess had a version of Chinese Chess back in the 80s.
There are parts you did not mention :
1. The Pawn doesn't capture diagonally, sideway capture allowed after crossing the river, once it reaches the end of the board, it doesn't Promote
2. A bonus, if both knights confront each other, if a piece blocks one of the knight's movement, that knight cannot capture that knight but allowed vice versa, unlike western chess' knights.
Point 1 Doesn’t matter because he didn’t say the rules were the same as regular chess, he said at the start that a capture works by landing on a piece through regular movement unless explicitly stated otherwise. He didn’t mention promotion for the same reason.
This helped me out👍
No stalemate in this chinese chess its very popular in china, yes is basic, and in vnamese tho
Really nice video!
THE GENERAL AND HIS TWO GUARDS CANNOT LEAVE THE PALACE
Can you make how to play mahjong ?
I play pieces captured on the bottom the piece that captured it on top
yes, its finally here
very interesting. I like the fact that the general and the guard is confined in a palace like the base or spawn in bas. The cannon is a very interesting piece but I think it's a bit situational and gimmicky. good chess mod 7/10
Well it is not a mod.
It is created quite earlier (I might be wrong) tho.
Both aren't affected to each other in term of anything.
@@runeblade099 we'll you got the point that it's technically not a chess mod. But I call all chess variants mods though. That's the point
It's an actual board game come from China, popular mostly in Asian countries but not the world, even Chinese grandmasters like Ding Liren & Hou Yifan played Western chess instead.
It's more of a relation between Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress than just a mod for a game.
@@arrowghost That's kind of sad, that we lose cultural diversity. Japanese people don't abandon their chess, maybe Chinese follow take their example
What if they have flying general in modern chess?
They don't exactly have flying general in Xiangqi either, since creating this scenario involves placing your general in check, which is an illegal move in the first place.
老将对脸就是死
Was this based off of chess, was chess based off this, were they both based on something else, or were they both original ideas?
Chess and xiangqi, as well as other regional variants such as janggi and shogi, are believed to have a common ancestor, chaturanga, which originated in the area which is now modern-day India.
which is better chinese chess or shogi(japanese chess)
Xiangqi
There is no need to compare
My grandpa plays this game all the time. I can never beat someone in this game lol.
why did my father not tell me about the "cannot be in the same column as the enemy general unless you're blocked"
Maybe it's kind of like en passant move in chess - commonly forgotten about
Hi, I am love Chinese Chess ❤
are u chinese
colour by choose
For some reason I keep thinking the horse/knight moves like an L
it does though 1 forward and diagonal is the same thing just said in a defferent way
As the other person said, it does.
It's just phrased that way in some variations because of some kind of restriction.
In this case, it's a restriction to help with determining if a horse has jumped a piece. If a horse would hit another piece on it's first move (the one in any of the four cardinal directions), it can't take that move, or either diagonal after.
It is, but the restriction is you can't play that move if the long L is being blocked. We move 2 squares then 1 square.
@@arrowghost That's the same thing. Literally, exactly the same thing.
@@deadersurvival4716 Yes you land on the same square. But in Chinese chess you cannot move the piece through occupied squares, so it does make a difference.
I have invented a game rule which is "Chinese Chess VS Chess"
The player of the "chess" has only two pieces: Queen and King
The player of the "Chinese chess" has all of the pieces that this video mentioned
The player of the "Chinese chess" determines who goes first
if the "chess" goes first, the starting position of the queen and king is determined by the "Chinese chess" player
if the "Chinese chess" goes first, starting position of the queen and king is determined by the "chess" player
The King can move diagonally and out of the palace(King is not general, it's the classic king)
The Queen moves just like normal queen
who wins?
Chinese chess. No way the queen matches up for all the other Chinese chess pieces combined. Even in international chess a queen might not be able to beat two rooks
@@chieuleyang6768 but the king is vulnerable to diagonal attacks
Yes
You're first.
Yeah
WHY THE TWO GENERAL CANNOT FACE TO FACE ? BECAUSE IN THE REAL HISTORY, 項羽（BLUE GENERAL ）USED BOW AND ARROW TO SHOOT 劉邦（RED GENERAL ）WHEN THEY FACE TO FACE
Black not blue
the Chinese chess also called Xiangqi
Now do how to play chess and Chinese chess on 1 board do 8x8 board and 9x10 board
The cannon in fairy chess combines the powers of a queen, a knight, and a camel.
I dont ever having announce checkmate I thought it was an online thing
Im pretty sure repetition of checks is a stalemate, i've played with my grandpa and father. This is also the case with universal chess
I think there is also a rule that you can not check below the general horizontally
"check below the general horizontally" what is that even supposed to mean
@@rednetherbrick3178 it means if there is a piece that can check the general/king but its position is behind the general, that move will be considered is invalid
@@ucnguyen6375 i dont think thats a rule
wow, it's more different from Korean Chess than I expected, despite the identical pieces!
They're same in origins, but Korean Chess is more like a variation of it, so some rules are different
Can you play Chinese chess well
the guard also called advisor
sorry actually red should always go first it is the rules.
So basically
General:king
Horse:knight
Elephant:bishop
Chariot:rook
Canon:queen
Soldier:pawn
Guard:🗿
Canon is not the queen