By Act 3, you've likely already seen a fair share of murderous lunatics, so with players generally finding Minthara to be an excellent judge of character, this is a nice way to establish Orin as a creditable threat that managed to slip past her radar.
I loved how Orin kept appearing as different people in Act 3. It was a really nice touch. Gave that part of the game a really creepy feeling leading up to the fight.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149well put it this way. Orin is fucking TERRIFIED of Dark Urge. That’s why she does all the stupid shapeshifting stuff and kidnaps your companion so you don’t just rush straight to her and kill use on the spot.
I've seen a clip of this before, but it's such a beautiful dialogue and pretty rare. Most players save the grove and kill Minthara- no chance for this dialogue. If you don't kill Minthara, you might not rescue her from Moonrise. Even then, you might not talk with her much/at all, or have low approval. Really cool scene. Have to ask, what is that crown from?
Orin in the lore: Orin in the actual fight: Me spending 15 turns letting her awkwardly do nothing to me in slayer form while I try to figure out the best way to get around her shield before finally managing to disable the cultists Shadowheart life cleric and Perilous Stakes > Orin the Red
Or you could use the multi attacks that are terribly weak and underrated just to squeeze away the charge of the buffs on Orin, such as duel wield attack or magic missile
Uh, so quick question: Does Sword of Chaos *normally* ignore her Unstoppable stacks? Like, is that supposed to happen? Both times I fought her I stuck that on Karlach and let her go to fucking town in Bear Rage. EDIT: for reference, Karlach had init 8 and init 7 respectively, so she went either 1st or 2nd in the turn order before my other party members. Unstoppable was at 5-7 stacks per round.
I spammed magic missile and scorching ray at higher levels to remove her shield and then my paladin smited her to oblivion. She died before I even touched the cultists.
nah give me that tragic shit. life’s too short for a never ending blockade of happy endings. i love having characters with such hellbent personal quests that go against your own personal values. makes you squirm like a mindflayer worm as you realize there’s no way to please everyone and just take chances on the ones you actually love. even if their end is fucked, it’s my choice to make and it feels like there’s weight for it
The themes of bodily autonomy, brainwashing and cycles of abuse throughout this game, even on characters who are easily missed, is very well done. While the nature of a Drow is more evil, this encounter explains a lot about her actions in Act 1. It is essentialy not her true self.
+ Sidenote, genuine lore question if anyone knows: wouldn't Minthara have led women soldiers? Is 'men' just the, like, less formal plural for 'fighters'?
By Act 3, you've likely already seen a fair share of murderous lunatics, so with players generally finding Minthara to be an excellent judge of character, this is a nice way to establish Orin as a creditable threat that managed to slip past her radar.
I wonder what her opinion on pre-betrayal Durge would be.
I loved how Orin kept appearing as different people in Act 3. It was a really nice touch. Gave that part of the game a really creepy feeling leading up to the fight.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149well put it this way. Orin is fucking TERRIFIED of Dark Urge. That’s why she does all the stupid shapeshifting stuff and kidnaps your companion so you don’t just rush straight to her and kill use on the spot.
For such an evil person, she does make great puppy eyes!
You can't fix her
@@ShermTank7272I can fix her
@@ShermTank7272 ...but she can fix you.
Dang. It's really disturbing to know how terrified Minthara must be when Orin kidnaps her in Act 3 😦
I've seen a clip of this before, but it's such a beautiful dialogue and pretty rare. Most players save the grove and kill Minthara- no chance for this dialogue. If you don't kill Minthara, you might not rescue her from Moonrise. Even then, you might not talk with her much/at all, or have low approval. Really cool scene.
Have to ask, what is that crown from?
it is a mod my dear, from the basket of equipment that I've got from Nexus mods
Orin in the lore:
Orin in the actual fight: Me spending 15 turns letting her awkwardly do nothing to me in slayer form while I try to figure out the best way to get around her shield before finally managing to disable the cultists
Shadowheart life cleric and Perilous Stakes > Orin the Red
Exploding Arrows I haven't used all game sitting in my inventory:
"Allow us to introduce ourselves...."
Or you could use the multi attacks that are terribly weak and underrated just to squeeze away the charge of the buffs on Orin, such as duel wield attack or magic missile
My monk did hilarious short work of her.
Uh, so quick question:
Does Sword of Chaos *normally* ignore her Unstoppable stacks? Like, is that supposed to happen?
Both times I fought her I stuck that on Karlach and let her go to fucking town in Bear Rage.
EDIT: for reference, Karlach had init 8 and init 7 respectively, so she went either 1st or 2nd in the turn order before my other party members. Unstoppable was at 5-7 stacks per round.
I spammed magic missile and scorching ray at higher levels to remove her shield and then my paladin smited her to oblivion. She died before I even touched the cultists.
THIS IS WHY MINTHARA NEEDS A REDEMPTION STORY! THIS IS WHY LARION NEEDS TO STOP RAILROADING US INTO CHOOSING BETWEEN HER AND HALSIN!
THIS!!! 🤌
nah, give me that expansion saving karlach from hell.
@@aethertech Why not both?
fair enough
But let me have that crazy drow bloodmage chick in act 2 too!@@KollbjornYT
nah give me that tragic shit. life’s too short for a never ending blockade of happy endings. i love having characters with such hellbent personal quests that go against your own personal values. makes you squirm like a mindflayer worm as you realize there’s no way to please everyone and just take chances on the ones you actually love. even if their end is fucked, it’s my choice to make and it feels like there’s weight for it
Her actress is so GOOD godDAMNIT
Wow, not only did Orin screw up the Durge. Might try to get all the characters in my next Durge run.
The themes of bodily autonomy, brainwashing and cycles of abuse throughout this game, even on characters who are easily missed, is very well done. While the nature of a Drow is more evil, this encounter explains a lot about her actions in Act 1. It is essentialy not her true self.
You can now get Minthara in your party without being evil in act 1. Yay!
HOW ?!?!??!?!?!!
@@alundor spoiler alert for those wanting to avoid them:
Knock her out during her fight with non-lethal damage. She will appear later in act 2.
@@YoboYTYou have to commit a crime in front of her or it doesn't work i learnt the hard way :(
Wow she and the dark urge have more in common than I thought
+ Sidenote, genuine lore question if anyone knows: wouldn't Minthara have led women soldiers? Is 'men' just the, like, less formal plural for 'fighters'?
Omg samesies wife, twinning fr
Glad to see that no matter what, a Bhaal-spawn is making people squeamish
What everyone looks smoking hot on this? Mods? lol
Yeah, the outfits atleast are modded from the base game