And where are the rotary's? Club racing lol, the rx7 is way light , you not comparing eggs with eggs, a motor cycle with a way smaller engine than the rotary will eat it right????? I also ate rx7s with my modified 351 Cleveland, I fucked them up they couldnt do the 250 kph that I was doing, also holden monaro 327 ate that up, and a MG turboed race car ,, a Toyota supra, Subaru wrx absolutely destroyed those, I ate everything on the road even other modern falcons, was hauling in a cop car once till I noticed oooh that's the police
@@hesgotamotor8288 your talking about straight line rolling street drags on a circuit race video. You arent comparing eggs to eggs. Straight line power is king always, in a circuit it's a balance of power and handling. Power will give you a leg up on the straight outs but can be overcome in the corners with better handling.
What most people fail to understand is in IMSA/SCCA in America the rotary destroyed factory ford and Chevy V8 in all classes .They won GTO championship ,camel lights,and GTU .
Lol. Wow, FORD has more race wins than all manufactures combined, because they enter so many forms of racing. Right???? V8 supercars, WRC, nassca, drag racing, truck racing, jet boat racing, ,le man etc. The ford sierra cosworth is the most successful race car in history, and what does the mazda rx7 win? Some small comps?
ya,totally.Ford and Mazda were actually a partner company from 1974 to 2015.The fc3s rx7 in the footage even shares a similar platform to the ford probe.But these are race cars, a match that close could literally come down to who has a fresher set of tires.
2 tools , one job , truth is , lite car tight track advantage, powerful bigger track advantage Choose the right tool for the job you have Both are great tools
This is more like V8 SUPERCAR (IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS) VS rotary (in tiny letters). Because honestly, the rx7 was completely left to the side on the footage. Also, music in these types of videos is just useless. Its like going to a concert and the guy next to you grabs a megaphone and shouts at your ears through the whole event.
This has nothing to do with it being rotary vs v8. It all comes down to the rx7 being 400-500 odd kg lighter, better aerodynamics, lower centre of gravity. This really has nothing to do with the rotary vs v8. You could put a 650 hp rotary in the falcon and a 450hp v8 in the rx7 and the result would be the same
they would have no effect on the result. In any case the v8 has much better responsiveness and more torque than any rotary. Rotaries rely in turbo for their torque and power, a pushrod v8 has raw grunt. The fact is that the weight and aerodynamics favour the body of the rx7. You could put the exact same engines in both vehicles and the smaller and lighter rx7 would still come out on top. This is apples and oranges
wrong. heavier falcon requires engine with more tq, but you suggest putting in a rotary inside and pump it up for a 650 hp output - imagine how much turbo threshold&lag it would have to go through for that much power, and vice versa- put a high torque v8 in a lighter car - it would be a fricking jet.
Alloutofdonuts Sports sedan racing. It’s as close to no rules racing as you can get. Capacity/weight limits, but engines inside cockpits, transaxle sand tube frames with fibreglass bodies.
Wait, this very RX7 used to have an NA 20B, what happened? (Onboard footage in this video still shows a 20B NA sound, but the outside footage clearly sounds like a 2-rotor... wtf?)
So these are the excuses coming from the piston camp these days huh "He must've had an extra rotor" Imagine we started saying things like: "No m8, it must've been a V10, not a V8"
V8 shouldn't have to stretch anything out. It's heavy and requires lugging around an extra 100kg just in iron. The FC3s he raced is better balanced and he can carry as much power through corners as he wants because of the low torque ratio. V8 has even been beaten in top fuel around the world by rotary's and 2Js so I don't think it has the legs to stretch anyway.
V8 SUPERcar 😂😂， kick the GTRs outta the game cause the GTRs keeps winning back in days, mind as well modify the SUVs Holden and Ford makes and race those, as long as it has a v8 in, disregard it suits for cornering or not as long as faster on the straight lines.
Stupid race, 2 totally different categeory race cars.One mid engine sports sedan with aggressive aero and wide tyres, the other a front engine touring car with less tyre and less aero. Not to mention firbreglass widebody kit vs standard steel car body......
160hp less and missed a gear yet still ate the V8... All about retaining the speed through the corners
Sometimes less meant more! :)
Actually thanks for that info I gotta practice that
And where are the rotary's? Club racing lol, the rx7 is way light , you not comparing eggs with eggs, a motor cycle with a way smaller engine than the rotary will eat it right????? I also ate rx7s with my modified 351 Cleveland, I fucked them up they couldnt do the 250 kph that I was doing, also holden monaro 327 ate that up, and a MG turboed race car ,, a Toyota supra, Subaru wrx absolutely destroyed those, I ate everything on the road even other modern falcons, was hauling in a cop car once till I noticed oooh that's the police
@@hesgotamotor8288 your talking about straight line rolling street drags on a circuit race video. You arent comparing eggs to eggs. Straight line power is king always, in a circuit it's a balance of power and handling. Power will give you a leg up on the straight outs but can be overcome in the corners with better handling.
@@gamingmadesimple5510 yeh, that's where the vpower mustang with Scott mc Laughlin will destroy rotary
The rotary engine really is tiny, but it sounds like a swarm of angry bees, I love it.
Rubbish, grow up
Killer bees
hahaha that is so true
What most people fail to understand is in IMSA/SCCA in America the rotary destroyed factory ford and Chevy V8 in all classes .They won GTO championship ,camel lights,and GTU .
Dino Maxi And they banned them after that
If you beat them. Ban them lol
GTO for 10 years straight! or was it GTU?
Lol. Wow, FORD has more race wins than all manufactures combined, because they enter so many forms of racing. Right???? V8 supercars, WRC, nassca, drag racing, truck racing, jet boat racing, ,le man etc. The ford sierra cosworth is the most successful race car in history, and what does the mazda rx7 win? Some small comps?
@@hesgotamotor8288 I guess if you want to call IMSA a small comp lol.... only the highest level of sportscar racing
thats why you dont swap your rotary with an ls kids
Fuq off asshole, swap the rotary to the over weight under tired Stock Car and see what happens....
@@shaadydog1 wtf are you talking about
How about remove the turbo from the rotary so both motors are NA... See what happens...
@@thudtheace how about remove some cylinders so it has the same displacement
@@thudtheace How about you just accept that the RX-7 won the race lol
need more in car footage of the rx7
whole tur I know
164 hp advantage and the rotary still gets the win you gotta love it...
nekomatajs it also depends on weight, torque, traction, downforce, aerodynamics, fuel type.
but it's a Ford what did you expect
ya,totally.Ford and Mazda were actually a partner company from 1974 to 2015.The fc3s rx7 in the footage even shares a similar platform to the ford probe.But these are race cars, a match that close could literally come down to who has a fresher set of tires.
nekomatajs, no. fc3s shares nothing with the probe
ya,dude no lie check it out - tractors.wikia.com/wiki/Ford_Probe
nekomatajs my bad, they used the headlight mechanisms and dash cluster. The platform and mechanicals are nothing alike otherwise.
The lack of rx7 onboard footage is profoundly underwhelming and the music what in the hell
Early 2000's drum and bass lad get amongst it bruv!
Yea like did you see the FCs footwork like that's what I wanted to be not the Falcon
This was what Bathurst and touring car racing in the ‘70s and early ‘80’s was all about. Commodores v falcon v camaro v RX7 v everything else.
dont know about you, but i'm here for 2:40
Alejandro M ...yes,
Nothing like a screamin’ 12A rotary, that’s for sure!
high octane was gold still have all the dvds
False for the Rx7 footage, the outside footage is a 12a turbo the small inside footage of it is a 20bpp different car
Was waiting for someone to notice
2 tools , one job , truth is , lite car tight track advantage, powerful bigger track advantage
Choose the right tool for the job you have
Both are great tools
Ahh, and here is another reason why rotary is awesome and banned from professional motorsport xD.
This is more like V8 SUPERCAR (IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS) VS rotary (in tiny letters). Because honestly, the rx7 was completely left to the side on the footage. Also, music in these types of videos is just useless. Its like going to a concert and the guy next to you grabs a megaphone and shouts at your ears through the whole event.
This is a NZ car series made in 2000 to 05 called high-octane ofcs it will have shit music but it was cool back then
I don't think thats a 12a. I always thought it has 3-rotor 18A/20B in it.
450hp is about right for a good two rotor, the 20B will make 650+
This has nothing to do with it being rotary vs v8. It all comes down to the rx7 being 400-500 odd kg lighter, better aerodynamics, lower centre of gravity. This really has nothing to do with the rotary vs v8. You could put a 650 hp rotary in the falcon and a 450hp v8 in the rx7 and the result would be the same
Jimmy James Well said
no, the torque&hp curves would be very different
they would have no effect on the result. In any case the v8 has much better responsiveness and more torque than any rotary. Rotaries rely in turbo for their torque and power, a pushrod v8 has raw grunt. The fact is that the weight and aerodynamics favour the body of the rx7. You could put the exact same engines in both vehicles and the smaller and lighter rx7 would still come out on top. This is apples and oranges
muh rotary
wrong. heavier falcon requires engine with more tq, but you suggest putting in a rotary inside and pump it up for a 650 hp output - imagine how much turbo threshold&lag it would have to go through for that much power, and vice versa- put a high torque v8 in a lighter car - it would be a fricking jet.
The onboard footage of the rotary sounds like its got a 20b not a 12a.
Rotaries Rule!!
Where are they!? Where? In the bin
@@hesgotamotor8288 silly biased man from two years ago, stop crying
God the 20b 3 rotor sounds epic
12A turbo, riiiiiight… that’s a freaking 20B!!!
Go Kitz! I loved the Hi Octane vids back in the day.
So they pick the most twisty track around ........ do this at Mount Panorama, Bathurst ..... and the V-8 Supercar is in it's element ....
Ones quicker around corners whilst the other is quicker on a straight.. make racing far more interesting.
Power to weight and weight distribution, which the Mazda rotary has the advantage.
I love that early electronica music. Good stuff. Very hip back then.
That rotary also sounded very nice.
1:35 eurobeat intensifies
keisuke takahasi 🤣🤣🤣
More like breakbeat. But it's got that two-step feel, so: drum & bass. Who knows if Takumi even gives a shit.
The rotary sounds better, gives smoother power, is smaller, and is way lighter. Wonder why people like rotaries
Light is right
Rx7 the replacement for displacement !
Maztech Is an NZ Company. That 12A is the real deal...built by the racer at his shop :) :) :)
Hahaha, the in car shots were actually from Ivan Mikacs 20BPP sports sedan. Terrible execution!!! 😂😂
No shock here. V8 falcon starts its life as a family hack/ taxi. RX7 is a proper sports car
Rotary's great but that v8.. sounded amazing.. gotta admit
Rotary sounded better. Screaming the whole way lmao
That 3 rotor sounded better BY FAR! Like, not even in the same class. Not much can touch the sound of an all motor 3 rotor.
Precision over Power...
Dude, that was a no brainier.
Anf its only a 12a! Not even a 13b. Thats one well sorted racecar
Lighter chasis better power ratio means later braking and sooner and faster acceleration....
La mayor potencia posible en el menor peso posible
Didn't that presenter have a mean MR2?
RIP Berry 🙏
Is there a class that these cars(& more car type diversity) would be racing eachother at the same time/track?
Alloutofdonuts Sports sedan racing. It’s as close to no rules racing as you can get. Capacity/weight limits, but engines inside cockpits, transaxle sand tube frames with fibreglass bodies.
Whatever people talk about the inferior things of the engine , but the power is make any SC v8 big block tired.
Better driver in this tale! Not a rotary over V8 story.
There is a reason why they banned the fast cars from V8 Super cars
Predictable.
What is teh song doe?
Wait, this very RX7 used to have an NA 20B, what happened? (Onboard footage in this video still shows a 20B NA sound, but the outside footage clearly sounds like a 2-rotor... wtf?)
12A engine. 2 rotor only
I thought the same thing. I came across an old video of that same car and it runs a 3 rotor
12a turbo? lmfao sounds like a 20b to me.... Aussies are smarter than that, idk what they were getting on wif
FukU2222 probably a 18a turbo. basically the 3-rotor version of a 12a turbo. smaller than the more common 20b 3 rotor
So these are the excuses coming from the piston camp these days huh "He must've had an extra rotor" Imagine we started saying things like: "No m8, it must've been a V10, not a V8"
FukU2222 Yep no way that was a 2 rotor exhaust note. 12A based 3 rotor more likely. It still sounded NA.
2 different cars. Ones a 12a turbo, the other is an n/a 3 rotor.
@@Flyingdutchy33 The "Piston camp" doesn't need any excuses, the poor reliability and low thermal effeciency of the rotary engine talk for themselves
Power to weight might have a bit to do with it.
Tire size as well?
When you ask both your dear beautiful Nanna's to drive and your gay second cousin commentated 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Dorito power
is this the british version of HotVersion/SuperMotoring?
Aussie. High octane
Rotary all the way, I would have bet on the Rotary winning.
DORITOS 4EVER!!🙌
Anyone know what the music is?
A Ford Taurus is anything but a supercar.
"Track not v8 friendly" what the fuck kind of bullshit is that?
ROTARY POWER🔥
2:42 OH BOI HERE WE GO AGAIN, ROTARY: BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH~~~~~
That’s a 20b NA not 12a turbo
I only came here for the rotary only
12a in a FC chassis...weird
Switch drivers
well it is a small track, V8 cant properly stretch its legs :D
how large should it be so it could? oval? drag strip?
SchoolShooterPro2050 lol this is savage 🤣🤣
V8 shouldn't have to stretch anything out. It's heavy and requires lugging around an extra 100kg just in iron. The FC3s he raced is better balanced and he can carry as much power through corners as he wants because of the low torque ratio. V8 has even been beaten in top fuel around the world by rotary's and 2Js so I don't think it has the legs to stretch anyway.
Lol that is still the 12A if that was a 13b periphalport ,kiss that V8's ass goodbye lol
Is that Rhys Darby lol
V8 is heavy the rotary its more o less the same power of the V8
2020 and Ketzal Sterlings voice is still annoying AF
V8 SUPERcar 😂😂， kick the GTRs outta the game cause the GTRs keeps winning back in days, mind as well modify the SUVs Holden and Ford makes and race those, as long as it has a v8 in, disregard it suits for cornering or not as long as faster on the straight lines.
1.3 VS 5.0
Wieghts? Why is the Mazda on a fatter tire? What class of racing does the "Rotary" fit into if any? Ricer fanbois are so stupid...
Wow you must have graduated from the Darryl Eastlake school of commentary. Your excellent at saying nothing very loudly
More like a 3-rotor to me. Probably a 18A (three 12A rotors) or 20B engine
Stupid race, 2 totally different categeory race cars.One mid engine sports sedan with aggressive aero and wide tyres, the other a front engine touring car with less tyre and less aero. Not to mention firbreglass widebody kit vs standard steel car body......
Vtec was born to be inmortal nothing can beat high revving
but rotary ain't vtec😂😂
Vtec was born to be slow 😂
it's a ford so it's by default slow
messy driving from the falcon
so you are saying you would be a better driver?
SchoolShooterPro2050 I dont think he said that, he said the ford driver was crap.
The RX driver missed gears and was messing up too, but he still gapped him on straightaways
Not v8 friendly? Whack hahaha
Disliked it because of the stupid commentary and music. An onboard of both cars in 2 different videos would have been enough. No editing required
this is why v8s are better than rotary
v8 got fucked up lmaoooo
@@EnzedDev yes it did but we all knew that was going to happen. What this video shows is that v8s are clearly much more fun