One of the things they taught me when I went for PPG3 and learning spot landings was to start the "S"'s sharp, (no more than 90deg so you could keep the LZ in sight), but you could turn parallel if you need to lose altitude. As you got closer and lower and needed to tweak your glide to hit the spot you start to "shallow out" your S's until you had a straight line in. I still practice this and find it to be a nice way to "adjust" your altitude and distance to the LZ to get close to your intended spot. If drawn out on paper, it would be steep curves that progressively get shallower until its just a straight line. Sort of like a sine-wave "ringing out" to "flat" if that makes sense.
So good Trev! I always learn from these casual discussion style instructional vids. I hope you and crew are doing well and enjoying your time at Salton Sea.
Salton is a great place to practice - didn't realize they blocked off so much of it because I really like doing touch and go there. Very consistent wind for practicing this type of landing.
Good advice!! 2 years ago i broke my leg, I didn't have a landing spot and was aware of it. Just was climbing out about at a 200 feet ( 65-70m ) and the engine just went .. brrr. Silent. 19 sec, from motor out till impact! But there was a very small grassy area were i could land, but overshot it and thought of landing in the bushes, but it was bushes and trees. landed into a tree ( 2-3 feet above ground) and broke my left leg in 2 places. If i had done this practice i wouldn't have broken my leg.
This is one of those things that I think paraglider pilots have the advantage in because we never have the option to go around, and we are often landing in mid day conditions having to adjust for lift and wind gusts.
Great video! Just what I need. Thank you. One question I have, what if you have an engine out and you are too far away to get back to your regular LZ, not sure of the wind direction and can only see a tight spot to try and land? (yes, enough challenges, I know)
Educated guess on wind direction Or Best approach for the landing spot regardless of wind direction Then Butt land the landing if you’re not 100% confident in wind direction or speed. Butt landings can be tame/soft and not break anything. More importantly they can protect your ankles, knees, legs, etc from getting hurt. I’d rather butt landing than try to stand it up and end up on my face.
Trevor- what about using brakes to decrease glide slope? I know it’s less safe but as I practice i notice being new can leave you in a weird situation often where you can no longer do a turns or 360 and still on the path for an overshoot so this is the only option. That is a decent technique right? As long as you give yourself height to go hands up and let it dive/flatten after. Or does that “extra” swoop type energy actually result in the same landing spot as the initial, no brake, slope would? I’m not consistent enough to test these against each other but I figured using brakes surely helps cut the glide and the extra flare doesn’t result is much more flare glide on landing (at least with my spyder)… anyway this exercise is much harder and more important living with places that have trees because you are limited to your landing spot by how high the trees around it are
I have a question. after pulling left brake to turn into final do you release left brake before flaring? Or do you just flare with the brake you have left?
@@chromeaviation i will always try to release brake so I have it for set down. I will also try to always turn high enough to release the brake. If it’s not safe to release the brake, I won’t.
One of the things they taught me when I went for PPG3 and learning spot landings was to start the "S"'s sharp, (no more than 90deg so you could keep the LZ in sight), but you could turn parallel if you need to lose altitude. As you got closer and lower and needed to tweak your glide to hit the spot you start to "shallow out" your S's until you had a straight line in. I still practice this and find it to be a nice way to "adjust" your altitude and distance to the LZ to get close to your intended spot. If drawn out on paper, it would be steep curves that progressively get shallower until its just a straight line. Sort of like a sine-wave "ringing out" to "flat" if that makes sense.
So good Trev! I always learn from these casual discussion style instructional vids. I hope you and crew are doing well and enjoying your time at Salton Sea.
Salton is a great place to practice - didn't realize they blocked off so much of it because I really like doing touch and go there. Very consistent wind for practicing this type of landing.
I see you are flying the PAP frame. How do you like the PAP.
Pap is cool
Good advice!! 2 years ago i broke my leg, I didn't have a landing spot and was aware of it. Just was climbing out about at a 200 feet ( 65-70m ) and the engine just went .. brrr. Silent. 19 sec, from motor out till impact! But there was a very small grassy area were i could land, but overshot it and thought of landing in the bushes, but it was bushes and trees. landed into a tree ( 2-3 feet above ground) and broke my left leg in 2 places. If i had done this practice i wouldn't have broken my leg.
I have a clip on my chan.. YT doesn't let me post link to it!
If you wanna see a vid. It's out there somewhere..Can't post here.. Dunno why. ( it's on this platform!! )
Title is:
Rab (Croatia) - Super Nice flight with unexpected ending. 29-7-2022
This is one of those things that I think paraglider pilots have the advantage in because we never have the option to go around, and we are often landing in mid day conditions having to adjust for lift and wind gusts.
Nice vid... can't wait to practice spot landings. Thanks for the pointers...🎯
Nice PAP! 😉
Much appreciated, thanks!
Thank you for the insights
Hey that's me! lol. I really made it mom!
Haha!!
Great video! Just what I need. Thank you. One question I have, what if you have an engine out and you are too far away to get back to your regular LZ, not sure of the wind direction and can only see a tight spot to try and land? (yes, enough challenges, I know)
Educated guess on wind direction
Or
Best approach for the landing spot regardless of wind direction
Then
Butt land the landing if you’re not 100% confident in wind direction or speed. Butt landings can be tame/soft and not break anything. More importantly they can protect your ankles, knees, legs, etc from getting hurt.
I’d rather butt landing than try to stand it up and end up on my face.
Interesting. Show us a butt landing sometime. Tell us what your doing and what it looks like. I assume I have to lean forward so the cage doesn’t hit.
@ I life my legs, and drag the frame. I’d rather break the frame then hurt myself
When were you at Salton Sea?
Still am
@ Had my first engine out there… not my last! Thanks for the videos; keep it up!
Trevor- what about using brakes to decrease glide slope? I know it’s less safe but as I practice i notice being new can leave you in a weird situation often where you can no longer do a turns or 360 and still on the path for an overshoot so this is the only option. That is a decent technique right? As long as you give yourself height to go hands up and let it dive/flatten after. Or does that “extra” swoop type energy actually result in the same landing spot as the initial, no brake, slope would? I’m not consistent enough to test these against each other but I figured using brakes surely helps cut the glide and the extra flare doesn’t result is much more flare glide on landing (at least with my spyder)… anyway this exercise is much harder and more important living with places that have trees because you are limited to your landing spot by how high the trees around it are
Technically, yes
I have a question. after pulling left brake to turn into final do you release left brake before flaring? Or do you just flare with the brake you have left?
@@chromeaviation i will always try to release brake so I have it for set down. I will also try to always turn high enough to release the brake. If it’s not safe to release the brake, I won’t.
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yeah i still suck at landing
Haha I was forced to get good at landing motor outs
Lol...what motor you flying?
@@KentTexas vittorazi, had 6 in a row after the first few flights
moster 185 +
Clickbait thumbnail but good vid otherwise