Building My Dream Listening Room: The Sound Shed is Complete!
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"Unveiling The Sound Shed: From Metal to Masterpiece 🎶 | Part One Recap!
🔊 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to embark on a sonic journey as we unveil the transformation of a simple metal shed into the ultimate listening haven - The Sound Shed! In this exhilarating 5-part series, join me as I spill all the behind-the-scenes secrets, from the shed's inception to its jaw-dropping completion.
🎉 In this first episode, we lay the foundation (literally!) by delving into the shed's design, original concept, and the strategic decisions that set the stage for what's to come. From the architectural dance between metal and wood to the meticulous spray foam insulation, every step of this audio adventure is a testament to the pursuit of perfection.
🔍 But that's not all - we'll also address potential pitfalls, share lessons learned, and showcase the pivotal role of sponsors like ATS Acoustics in bringing this dream to life. Discover the power of intentional acoustics, learn about unexpected isolation revelations, and witness the magic that turned a bland metal structure into a haven for audiophiles.
🎬 So, whether you're an audio enthusiast, DIY aficionado, or simply curious about the alchemy of sound design, this series promises to be an immersive experience. Subscribe, hit that notification bell, and join me in The Sound Shed adventure. Let the symphony of craftsmanship begin! 🚀🔊✨ #TheSoundShed #AudioMasterpiece #DIYMagic"
00:00 Start
04:30 Attachment Issues
10:49 Isolating Expectations
12:55 Floor Facing
13:32 Opening Doors
15:05 Inner Workings
18:23 Studly Decisions
19:37 Whats Up?
21:34 Potential Power
24:04 Mineral Wool
25:33 Drywall Sucks
26:42 Finish Line
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This is one of the most inspiring TH-cam audiophile videos I have ever seen. Congrats. You achieved the dream.
I admire your willingness to do all that you did. As a tradesman myself I feel your pain. Your commitment to this hobby is incredible. Well done.
Thank you very much!
This is unreal man. It’s been a blast following along with the videos over the past while. Super admirable. Hope it provides decades of great experiences.
Great video, once again, Ron. I second your comment on ATS. 20 years ago they designed the treatment for my first dedicated room build and the result was phenomenal. 8 years later I moved and thus sold the house and took the same audio equipment into a different home, which didn't have a dedicated space and I've never been able to get sound to be nearly as good in the new space because I can't treat appropriately. Anyone who who dismisses the importance of addressing the room and its acoustics is missing out, or fooling themselves. Good on ya.
I never comment on anybody's video on TH-cam, but this series is without any doubt something I'm extremely looking forward to, bring on the rest of the videos, can't wait
The best part of drywall is writing the check to someone else that installed it!
NRD, absolute banger of a video. Can’t wait for the follow ups. Also 100% on drywall, those drywall pro’s are like pro athletes of their field. I’ve tried it, no thanks. They do it and it looks easy 😂
When the student is ready. The teacher appears. I didn't know anything about op amp rolling. Randy showed me. I don't know anything about room treatment. Here you are. Thank you.
Great work mate!
Your hard work has paid off.
Room is king, gear is just coming along for the ride
I am glad you didn't use resilient channel (which is the typical solution for what you were trying to do with the strips of carpet pad), and the walls will be absorbing bass energy as it is. And more absorption of bass would skew how much bass a given speaker will produce in your room vs other people's listening room/space. You can avoid some problems, but it is best to also not be too far from "the norm", I think.
The gabled steel structural beam "arches" and horizontal purlins, are depending on the metal skin for all the wind bracing. I am sorry the ceiling isn't (slightly) vaulted - this would have varied the height so the resonance frequency would have been varied. And the reflections / reverberations would shift around over time; because of some surfaces being non-parallel / perpendicular.
I am looking forward to the next 4 videos on this project!
Thanks Neil! Always appreciate your comments.
This has to be one of the best audio videos on all of youtube. Amazing work
I do my own drywall, but never hang the ceiling get someone else !! How you did that solo,I more than know never again LOL!
Been waiting for this set of videos. Thanks for the start. Was not aware that you were in Texas. When i briefly lived in Houston in the eighties, my coworkers would have horror stories of flooding in their rural subdivision homes. All were slab on grade. All floors were barely 4 inches above the dirt for the slab. Houston is all of 50 feet above sea level so it is pretty flat to Galveston. The termites were also a menace. One fellow actually bug sprayed his framing before closing in the wood frames.
Wtf? How does anyone learn anything if they quit. I need to know what the perfect room sounds like. That way, in my own space, I can understand what the goal is. I never heard of op amp rolling until Randy talked about it. Do I do it. You bet your ass I do. I haven't done anything to my room, except for furniture. My ears are open. Please proceed. You are giving a stellar performance. Onward and upward, we are waiting patiently. When the students are ready, the teacher appears.
Long overdue video. Can't wait to see the rest!
I'm jealous of you, yob extremely well done.👍🏻👍👍🏽.
Danny’s speakers look like they found a home!😜
Can’t tell you how awesome this is and how proud I am of you bro.
me too
Rockwool is way better than Fibreglass in an audio room. It is far more dense. For sound transmission remember that when you double the mass you reduce sound transmission by 3 db. Rockwool must have 10 times the mass - guessing than fibreglass.
Anyway, great job and yes, one does need to prime drywall before paint. At least you bought the best paint available, ha.
Not necessarily. There is sound absorption, and there is soundproofing. As for sound absorption, they are about the same, corning 706 and 707 rigid fiberglass boards perhaps having the best acoustical absorption of the two, similar to roxul rockboard 60/80. Of course thickness and air gaps behind the material is necessary for lower frequencies dissipation. And then there are open cell products, and carbon pellets. And you have to factor in cost.
Love rockwool. Anything but spray foam tbh.
My 1946 Victory home in Toronto had some inadequacies in the electric department. Only one outlet in each bedroom, 3 in the kitchen, all on the same fuse. Enter puppy panel 14 /3 gauge wire so that each individual socket is on its own breaker. Did the same for the HiFi outlet but 12/3 wire same phase. Would love to do a sound shed. But the WAF won't even let me use the Kid's room even though she has married and moved out.
Great series, interesting and so cool if it helps someone else out who is fortunate enough to be able to build a custom listening space like this. It's a dream that I hope I can tackle some day in retirement.
I still like "Music Tomb", but you're really stuck on "Sound Shed", it seems. Now comes the building nomenclature nitpicky lesson. When standing inside looking up, that's the ceiling. When you're on top of the building looking down at your feet, that's the roof. And FWIW, cement is a component of concrete, which is what your floor's made of. Now you're an expert and can bandy about with the best of the tradespeople. You're welcome!
Just making sure you were paying attention Peter! You passed.
@@Newrecordday2013 Phew!
This whole series has just been a BRILLANT watch, Ron. I wont bother doing something similar on my channel now 🙂 and just point my viewers to these! Brillant work covering the most important gift any audiophile can give themselves.
Thanks man! I just subscribed to your channel and will definitely look into your work!
@@Newrecordday2013 your channel is being saluted on the channel page too 🙂and I will feature it in the next newsshow.
@stjernholmreviews 🫡
Congratulations on your "Listening Room". Before I were to spend a crazy amount of money on some crazy speakers creating a place for your system that has ideal acoustics, or certainly better than a standard home is a really good idea. It makes so much sense. But I keep looking, and I don't see the most crucial feature in your Listening Room. A disco Ball. lol
Wow, congratulations Ron
This is going to be a great series. I have to say for me piece of mind I would have had to get a high quality electrical outlet and breaker box. From my understanding there is some sonic improvements to be gained there. But perhaps it would make for a great video down the road. 👍🏻
Killer video, Ron!! ❤️
I love this video! Well done Ron 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
as one that build room acoustics for living I look forward to the sequel! Good job man 😁
Thanks a lot!
Absolutely love the video 🤩 your passion and care are so evident, it's great to see 👍👍👍 you did what many dream of
Hey thanks!
This was a nice video. The bit about filling the walls with sand made me laugh.
Great to follow someone with high demands of audio quality and the cash to make it possible.
Your language and the way you express your self is top notch. Everything smells perfection and is a real joy to listen and watch. What about the roof? Did you not use any isolation above your beloved dry walls there? Just an empty space? Can´t wait for next video :)
An absolutely glorious video.
Stupid question: you have rockwool insulation across all walls. Why not face that with acoustically transparent fabric, so you then have a fully treated room?
SOSO happy for you .. Congrats on an amazing project.
Thank you so much!
Hi Ron, I really appreciate your breakdown of the shed building. Please appreciate my great Thanks !
Great stuff!!
I used closed cell for my pole barn shop. The energy efficiency is crazy. Wish I could do my house with it. I've always avoided kitty litter because of its moisture absorbing ability. I just worry what it'll look like years down the road. Do you have any rugs on the floor? Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Yup - rugs are down!
Another electrical concern, using 10 AWG at the panel isn’t a problem, the hassle would come at the other end: terminating it at the receptacle. From what I understand, some folks step the gauge down ahead of the receptacle, in a separate J-box, I’m assuming. The value is the reduction in voltage drop across the length of the run and greater current capability. What doesn’t work in plumbing will (kinda) work with electricity. ⚡️ If you had run EMT, both the isolated ground and 10 AWG issues could be addressed at a later date, or perhaps you have a trick up your sleeve. 🙂
I didn’t bother with 10ga. 12ga was fine for my needs and I haven’t regretted it.
My OCD hero ! Love it!
Great 1st vid Ron!
Love the build and your almost universal experience with drywall. Everybody seems to do drywall once, after that it seems like a bargain to hire it out.
Love hate. Love hate....
The sound shed is inspirational, except for the teal color of the walls. In all seriousness, thanks for posting the lessons learned in building the shed.
I could see your wall stud cavities filled up with 12 or 15 feet vertical sand. And overtime the weight blowing out the bottom of the sheet rock at the floor. And all the sand come pouring out into the room like the old Egyptian pyramid pharaoh movie. When they break the sand plugs that flow into the openings to allow the large stone columns, to collapse and close off all the entrances sealing it.
Very interesting and a lot to learn from... But one (two?) question lingers in my head: if there was no limitation to room layout why parallel sidewalls? Wouldn't be a trapeziod room with wider back acoustically superior? Same question for the ceiling, isn't the original pitched roof better for sound?
some of ben moore’s paint lines are primer and paint in one! just fyi. their aura line is impressive and great; two coats on bare drywall and done.
I’m a little disappointed by some of your decisions but also impressed by others. I’m currently finishing my basement into a big listening / hang out / gaming room. It’s simple and complicated all at once. I’ve dropped thousands and I haven’t even put walls up yet! 😅😭🤪 It seems simple but it’s a Schiit ton of work. Also kudos for ATS!
Thanks man!
Great video! Good drywallers are worth their weight in gold.
Yes they are!
This shed would have been energy efficient even in my northern Wisconsin location.
Drooling…..
Ya dont just pour sand between the studs, it goes into bags 1st! Its an excellent insulator and sound proofer.
The shed seems slightly nicer than my 10x10 bedroom turned listening room. LOL
The OSB molding looks great and unique.
I think so too!
I am definitely not an acoustical expert but I would have thought that leaving the crown in the ceiling would have been beneficial.
Congratulations! Nice video and great build. Not a drywall fan myself too. I would have used OSB and primed (!) and painted that. 🙂
Thanks for the tips!
You didn’t mention it, but I hope you ran separate grounds to each lower receptacle. Perhaps because they were all ‘home runs’, the extra ground was superfluous, but I’ve seen videos which emphasized its advantages. It does require special receptacles, but they’re not much more money; just can’t buy ‘contractor packs’ of them at Lowe’s (although Lowe’s does sell them individually).
I considered running separated grounds for the front wall but in the end decided just to star ground back to home. Hard to say how much better a system would perform using this method but I’m sleeping sound at night with where I landed.
Excellent video. Thank you !
How many electrical outlets did you end up using? Especially the lower ones 😁
Sand in your walls? Haha that's crazy talk. All my audiophile homies put Kitty litter in their walls instead!
Did you consider Insulated Concrete Form (ICF) construction? You end up with a R-40 thermal envelope and a dead quiet environment.
Whelp people turn shopping containers into under ground prepped end of the world stuff hit the fan scenario prepper Arcs .
Congratulations Ron! What brand of kitty litter do you recommend for the best damping? 😂
I think the chance of me getting a 20X30X12 metal shed permitted in my backyard are the square root of zero.
Absolutely stunned by your resolute and, quite frankly, Herculean energy levels expended throughout the whole construction, thus far. Beyond *anything* I could, even in my most self-delusional 'other' savant-esque self's pipe-dream fugue, ever come close to hitting - ....... by at least a few hundred country miles or a voyage to the bottom of the Marianas trench inside a humongous steel-framed, (triple-MMA welded), shopping-cart full of breeze-blocks. I sincerely hope that you get what I'm inadequately trying to convey... You, good Sir are 1,000 parts Spartan multiplied to the Nth degree. Move along, Kirk Douglas - there's a *new record day* guy in town.
Chapeau!! (W/ awe >>> mixed with cubic yards of sheer, "what in tarnation-ness".
All the very best from Japan, (ex-Scotland; and I somehow thought WE were meant to be the 'crazy people' : - )
This is the greatest comment ever.
@@Newrecordday2013 Every word I wrote & every personal feeling I tried to convey was completely & utterly 100% heartfelt & honest. You, Sir, have done a simply amazing job. All power to you, Ron.
I'm now off to your Patreon to sign up to help you out each month. It's the least I can do.
Time for some big speakers and subwoofers.
Has anyone thought of using "Vermiculite" well known in gardening circles, rather than Kitty Litter, as I believe it is a fraction of the weight. Let me know what you think. :)
Me again. Could you please tell me why you didn't carpet the entire floor, is this to allow some measure of resonance from the concrete that is exposed?
I didn’t put that much thought into it. I liked the look of the concrete and called it a day with a giant rug and rug pad.
Sounds like an opportunity for another experiment in the future, I wonder what difference it would make? Either way I think you should be rightly proud of what you and the team have built, it's a real credit to your open mind and willingness to learn. Thank you sooo much for sharing the journey with us, I've found it fascinating :)... Sand in the walls..FFS!...Faceplants with hand 🙄@@Newrecordday2013
it might be a stupid question and obviously I may not have watched all of the videos, but. What is the end goal for the Sound Shed? Both in a practical sense and in theory? What will it do for you or whoever? Is it an experiment? Or just a space to conduct reviews? Or recordings? Just curious. As it seems an awful lot of work and $
I love these guys coming in here to comment about a “sound shed” not having windows, restrooms, ceiling fans, a drinking fountain, or a full bar in the back 😂. This is exactly what it should be - Ron wasn’t building a freaking mother in law suite. And who cares about resale value if you plan on being buried in the said sound shed? 😂 ☠️
Why didn’t you build bass traps into the walls and ceiling?
bc he’s not a mix engineer? plus can build outside the wall plus nobody puts bass traps into a ceiling that i’ve ever heard of.
The inter walls are parallel?
Yes - I considered getting creative with it and angling the walls but man, I just didn’t have the confidence to do it knowing I was solo and doing this for the first time.
@@Newrecordday2013Ron, as with any system you’ve built in your storied audiophile career to date, just consider this the first take. 😂 Lots of time for you to reap the benefit of wisdom to be proffered in the inevitable firehouse of commentary.
OT from this thread, but hafta say I loved your honesty on the recent Klipsch video. Did you get a chance to hear the GR upgraded XO version?
Ron so what are the finished interior dimensions?
Next video 👍
Is there no damping material in the ceiling?
Mineral wool is in each bay above the ceiling.
One work guy “skylights”
Intricate framing techniques must be a secret class they teach to CIA agents lol
OSB-you were doing so well until then!
Nice work Ron. How much did all of this cost?
Under 50k for everything.
@@Newrecordday2013 not bad at all. That’s about what an old double wide would cost.
That's what a good preamp costs! Seems like a deal 😢
@@erics.4113oh nooo. 50k lol... don’t get boomerscammed!
Hi Ron,
Do you think that having non-parallel walls and an apex ceiling would help the room acoustics? I guess not because you haven't done that. The Acoustics Insider here on TH-cam says that non-parallel walls don't help eliminate standing waves in the listening room. However, many speaker designers employ trapezoidal cabinets with non-parallel surfaces to reduce standing waves. Robert Harley, the editor of Absolute Sound magazine had a listening room built with non-parallel walls which works superbly.
With non-parallel you just shift room modes and it’s unpredictable
Most concert halls also have non-parallel walls.
@@Mark-rw3kw non-parallel surfaces do not lower standing waves. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact of acoustics. That’s not to say that non-parallel surfaces can’t help with flutter echo…but in a hi-fi room flutter echo is the easiest problem to solve 😉
@@Mark-rw3kwI think that is to project the sound to the back row thru the hall like a wave guide or a trumpet.
@@seanb3303 I didn't mention anything about standing waves in my comment. I just mentioned that most concert halls I have seen have non-parallel walls.
Now get @KEF to send you some Blade Metas
Muons
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Randy - Are those Encores in the background that you set up first? - If so, why?
Who is Randy and why not?
@@Newrecordday2013 - Mixed Ron and Danny from a brain lapse - Came up with Randy. Maybe it can be a name for the sound-shed? - My 'why' was not meant as a "WHY?". It was more of a why? - You have reviewed lots of speakers and the Encore's are definitely a standout. However, with all of the technical details and fine tuning of the sound-shed - I thought it would be interesting to hear your reasoning for choosing the Encores as the mascot. Thanks
I know a gentleman doesn’t discuss money with strangers, however, at the end of this …. I’m gonna need an all in ballpark number 😂. I should probably be asking your wife… what’s her email ? 😂😂😂😂
As always, great video/great insights !
How come you didn’t use OSB on the walls before Drywall
Thought about it, Wasn’t necessary. I had plenty of isolation.
You have come a long way, you almost died.
Hahaha
he doesnt look well
No windows?
Nope!
No windows in concert halls either. Windows are expensive, and then you have additional expense in providing heavy duty curtains to absorb the sound waves.
But it would be nice to listen to Zarathustra and to look in the sky...
I spend a lot of time in a foto-darkroom. Never more... 😉
Yo this really pays that well? I believe it. The man is the TH-cam audio review OG
Wish I had a spare 50 grand to do this too. Why kitty litter and not the heaviest thing you could find like literally concrete quick mix or sand? Maybe the answer is weight.
Mass alone is not necessarily the only factor to damping. The irregular shaped surfaces of the clumps of the litter and friction between them go a long way to dissipating the mechanical energy of the vibrations.
@@fonkenful interesting! Thank you!
@@NanoDex Employed that tactic on more than a few DIY speaker builds when active starting a couple of decades ago. Over the years I experimented with tumbled glass blasting media, dried silica sand, shotgun shot beads - you name it - to deaden hollow voids of speaker enclosures and equipment stands, and found that in all but the smallest of volumes the kitty litter did just fine.
@@fonkenful As long as the clumps don't form from its intended use!
@@1mctous 🤭 Dry, not recycled.
edit: if sufficient moisture entered the void cavities for that to occur, I think there’s bigger issues of concern.
No widows or restroom will hurt the resale value. The door is too small for vehicles or stock.
Windows and doors can be installed later when it's use as a musicatoreum is finished
His kids and fire are sure to kill any resale value before a lack of windows or restroom.
Well, the door is wide enough for your mom so let’s give credit where credit is due.
@@Newrecordday2013 LMAO gottem
But did you star earth your power supply?
Hate to tell you, foam insulation is going to make you sick. Worst shit in the world, and it’s impossible to remove. Hate that stuff, still have off-gassing in the one room where I was convinced/tricked into using it in the ceiling.
Ron this isn’t a kick so please don’t get it twisted. No insulation in the ceiling? Really? Not the best time to mention it after the fact. Bad dog shame on me. I would have doubled the rock wool in the ceiling, but that is me. The cavity above the ceiling should be addressed. I’m not an acoustician, just a guy who is keen on these sorts of things. Little things mean a lot Ron. May not be so little and especially now. What do you think?
I insulated the ceiling. In the corners I doubled up on the rockwool as well. All good man!
@@Newrecordday2013, glad to hear it. Most outstanding!
@markphilpot8734 absolutely! Every square inch of the shed is lined with mineral wool buddy!
Do you realise all your trying to achieve is the reverse of recording studio
Bla bla bla! Just show us the freakin she’d already!
Triggered.