Trillia, Petralona WHERE THE FIRST HUMAN WAS BORN, Mani, Theopetra, Rodopi, Drama, Perdikka of Epirus, New Nikomideia, Elateia, Sesklos, Attica, Dimini, the Cyclades, Lerni, Crete, Lesvos etc , . . The country of Achilles is the place Ellas was born MILLIONS of years prior to his birth. From those days it has continued living and enduring the stubborness of many enemies and "friends"NOURISHING IT'S CIVILIZATION GIVING IT TO THE WORLD,MANY TIMES WHICH IS STILL EXISTS TODAY RUNNING THE WORLD!
Pelasgians are so ancient that they were called proselene (before the moon). They were living before the appearance of the moon from the Earth's perspective. (Nonnos places the appearance of the moon around 26,147 BC, today scientists place it at 4.5 billion years, but the fact is that the moon came into orbit around the Earth. So only the sacred knowledge of Nonnos, proves how far back in time the History of Greeks began).
True! But now referrring to the theory of ''Phoenician alphabet'' it is quite outstanding that Phoenicians NEVER introduced any ''Phonician alphabet'' in Cyprus which was next-door but rather adopted the Linear C from the pre-existing Greeks using it till their disappearence there. Which sets the whole ''Phoenician hypothesis'' in serious doubt explaining also the sudden appearence of Greek alphabet in at least 4 variations in the early 8th century (this would require centuries of evolution).
And this is for the reason that back then the main shipping force in the Mediterranean were the Mycenaean Greeks (with Phoenicians rising too about that time). However Phoenicians came from the Levantine coastline while Greeks came from the highly-coastal, highly-islandic Aegean - and Egyptians clearly mention that the Sea People came on their ships from their islands in the north. Seeing the map of the Mediterranean leaves not a lot of doubt on where did they come from.
Ilus was son and heir to Tros of Dardania and brother of Assaracus and Ganymede...Ilus was father of Laomedon who succeeded him. His wife was said to be either Eurydice (daughter of Adrastus), or Leucippe. Other children of Ilus include two daughters, Themiste (or Themis) and Telecleia, who married Capys and Cisseus, respectively. ALL GREEK!
Yes! But it needs more elaboration : Under the term Sea Peoples we refer to a large number of tribes which appeared in Egypt either as enemy invaders or as mercenaries later turning against Egyptians. Egyptians mentioned them casually as if they knew them well and as if they came ''from the neighborhood''. As such they all came from the Eastern Mediterranean all sides (Greece, Minor Asia, Palestine and Libya). However, there is good reason to suspect the main Sea People being Greeks
From there on, since the Sea Peoples were at times (not always) a loose alliance of different tribes they certainly included other tribes from Minor Asia, Libya. Phoenician coastline but then there is much talk too of a generalised mobility under a time of crisis and famine against not just Egypt but all main Empires of the times with independent events caused by independent tribes eventually being chaptered together as 1 common event branded as '"Sea Peoples attacks''.
..In the first place you remember a single deluge only,..SAID THE EGYPTIAN PRIEST TO SOLON,THE GREEK STATESMAN WHO VISITED EGYPT AROUND 600 B.C,.. but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived.. TIMAEUS PAGE 2...HAVE A NICE DAY!
Tyrens; the people of Argos called it Tyrentha when they walled it. From Tyrenthos and Alo's daughter, who was Amphitryon's (Amphitryons is Herakles' earthly father) sister. But it was first called Alieis. • -«Τύρινς: οί δ’Άργος τ’είχον Τίρυνθα τε τειχιόεσσαν.. Από Τίρυνθος τής Άλω θυγατρός, ήτις Αμφιτρύωνος ήν αδελφή. Εκαλείτο δέ πρότερον Αλιείς» (Στ.Βυζαντ.).
The Myceneaeans not Greeks? Because you say so? Please, do yourself a favour and read about Linear B writing system. It has been decoded since 1950s. It is 65 years now that Mycenaeans are scientifically proved to be nothing else than Greek. Which is exactly what ancient writers had written themselves but 19th-early20th century Europeans (for any parapolitical reasons) did not want to accept. They swallowed it all though when Ventris did the decoding. So are you searching to swallow anything?
Greek: Ἴλιον, Ilion, Τροία, =TROY... Dardanus = Δάρδανος, from the verb δαρδάπτω to wear, to slay, to burn up was a son of Zeus and Electra, daughter of Atlas, and founder of the city of Dardania on Mount Ida in the Troad.Dardanus' children by Batea were Ilus, Erichthonius, Idaea and Zacynthus...Ilus was the founder of the city called Ilion to which he gave his name,and became the chief city of the Trojan people it was also often called Troy, the name by which it is best known today....
Those kings were the ancestors of Priam. Hector was Priam's eldest son by Hecuba, and heir to the Trojan throne. Paris also known as Alexander, another son, was the cause of the Trojan War. Other children of Priam and Hecuba include the prophetic Helenus and Cassandra; eldest daughter Ilione; Deiphobus; Troilus; Polites; Creusa, wife of Aeneas; Laodice, wife of Helicaon; Polyxena, who was slaughtered on the grave of Achilles; and Polydorus, his youngest son. GREEK NAMES GREEK PEOPLE!..BEHAVE !
Anyway, Myceneans are known to be Greeks for decades now. Their writing system,Linear B, has been identified as an early greek alphabet, before the Greeks adopted and modified the Phoenician one. Also the Pelasgians are different from them. They are even older and could even be the forefathers of Greeks.
Your mind does not work properly !In the second millennium BC Mycenae was one of the major centres of Greek civilization, a military stronghold which dominated much of southern Greece. The period of Greek history from about 2000 BC to about 1100 BC is called Mycenaean in reference to Mycenae....BEHAVE!
@37Dionysos And they were probably a lot more peaceful -- well, at least, there was no evidence of warfare and it seemed that they had a more egalitarian culture.
Untrue statement. They were Proto-Greeks. Do your research before being dogmatic. What you could call ''Pelasgians'' are the Pro-Greek Minoans and the people of the Cycladic civilisation who were most likely relatives of the Minoans. As for the Myceneans, search for the Linear B writing system to see the Proto-Greek form of words and then the way they became in Classical Greek. For example: ''wanaks''= άναξ= lord, gwasileus= βασιλεύς= king, elaiwon= έλαιον= olive oil etc.
... in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived,..........said the Egyptian priest to Solon the Athenian statesman who visited Egypt the year 600 b.c... and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived.
. If people are to preserve true history these days they should simply educate themselves. . Western-Europe America ,AND MOSTLY ZIONISM, feels it has a need to shape a theory that would make them superior in opposition to their dependents. Imposing forcibly on the Greeks a difficult indoeuropean ethnicity, they are extremely lucky if they can connect their civilization to the Hellenes, stealing essentially from Hellenic greatness and conforming it to their needs.
The names, Pasiphaë, Ariadne, Androgeus, Deucalion, Phaedra, Glaucus, Catreus, Acacallis and Xenodike., Pareia, Eurymedon, Nephalion, Chryses and Philolaus, Heracles Dexithea, Minos ,Euxanthius if they are not Greek,what are they?... JEWISH?...EEEE?....OR ALBANIAN?....BEHAVE NOW AND DO NOT SMART OUT WITH ME!
Greece Was The First Civilization of Mankind to rose up and develope back in the late Stone Age and Early Bronze Age before and right after the last Ice Age period to creat for its self a Human Civilization of Mankind.long before anybody else, Greece was the first Western Civilization and of Mankind to create.THE GREEKS NEVER CAME FROM ANYWHERE,..THEY WERE ALWAYS LIVING IN THE LAND OF GREECE,.SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME!
There never existed a void in Greek History The Greeks are autohthones. From here the white people travel all over the world,giving knowledge and language to everybody.Each era of history transitions logically and smoothly into the next. The Hellenes from their creation, the creation of man until today, have lived continuously on this Earth and the lands called Greece. Palaeolithic places are found all over the entire country of Greece,proving they were always in this land.
The Myceneans have been proved to be Greeks for decades now....
Trillia, Petralona WHERE THE FIRST HUMAN WAS BORN, Mani, Theopetra, Rodopi, Drama, Perdikka of Epirus, New Nikomideia, Elateia, Sesklos, Attica, Dimini, the Cyclades, Lerni, Crete, Lesvos etc , . . The country of Achilles is the place Ellas was born MILLIONS of years prior to his birth. From those days it has continued living and enduring the stubborness of many enemies and "friends"NOURISHING IT'S CIVILIZATION GIVING IT TO THE WORLD,MANY TIMES WHICH IS STILL EXISTS TODAY RUNNING THE WORLD!
ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΟ !! 5*
Pelasgians are so ancient that they were called proselene (before the moon). They were living before the appearance of the moon from the Earth's perspective. (Nonnos places the appearance of the moon around 26,147 BC, today scientists place it at 4.5 billion years, but the fact is that the moon came into orbit around the Earth. So only the sacred knowledge of Nonnos, proves how far back in time the History of Greeks began).
True! But now referrring to the theory of ''Phoenician alphabet'' it is quite outstanding that Phoenicians NEVER introduced any ''Phonician alphabet'' in Cyprus which was next-door but rather adopted the Linear C from the pre-existing Greeks using it till their disappearence there. Which sets the whole ''Phoenician hypothesis'' in serious doubt explaining also the sudden appearence of Greek alphabet in at least 4 variations in the early 8th century (this would require centuries of evolution).
And this is for the reason that back then the main shipping force in the Mediterranean were the Mycenaean Greeks (with Phoenicians rising too about that time). However Phoenicians came from the Levantine coastline while Greeks came from the highly-coastal, highly-islandic Aegean - and Egyptians clearly mention that the Sea People came on their ships from their islands in the north. Seeing the map of the Mediterranean leaves not a lot of doubt on where did they come from.
Ilus was son and heir to Tros of Dardania and brother of Assaracus and Ganymede...Ilus was father of Laomedon who succeeded him. His wife was said to be either Eurydice (daughter of Adrastus), or Leucippe. Other children of Ilus include two daughters, Themiste (or Themis) and Telecleia, who married Capys and Cisseus, respectively. ALL GREEK!
3:55..........H.Schlieman was the epitome of the sensible business man who had more in his head than profit margins!
Yes! But it needs more elaboration :
Under the term Sea Peoples we refer to a large number of tribes which appeared in Egypt either as enemy invaders or as mercenaries later turning against Egyptians. Egyptians mentioned them casually as if they knew them well and as if they came ''from the neighborhood''. As such they all came from the Eastern Mediterranean all sides (Greece, Minor Asia, Palestine and Libya).
However, there is good reason to suspect the main Sea People being Greeks
The Dorians didn't migrate from the North. Because the North was covered with ice prior to 12,000 years ago.
From there on, since the Sea Peoples were at times (not always) a loose alliance of different tribes they certainly included other tribes from Minor Asia, Libya. Phoenician coastline but then there is much talk too of a generalised mobility under a time of crisis and famine against not just Egypt but all main Empires of the times with independent events caused by independent tribes eventually being chaptered together as 1 common event branded as '"Sea Peoples attacks''.
not only Mycenean , Kition was the first Phoenician colony in fact they used Cyprus as a platform from where they pushed westward .
The soundtrack refers correctly to "before the 3rd and the 2nd millenium before the birth of Christ", but onscreen I'm sure it says 3rd - 2nd century.
..In the first place you remember a single deluge only,..SAID THE EGYPTIAN PRIEST TO SOLON,THE GREEK STATESMAN WHO VISITED EGYPT AROUND 600 B.C,.. but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived.. TIMAEUS PAGE 2...HAVE A NICE DAY!
Tyrens; the people of Argos called it Tyrentha when they walled it. From Tyrenthos and Alo's daughter, who was Amphitryon's (Amphitryons is Herakles' earthly father) sister. But it was first called Alieis.
• -«Τύρινς: οί δ’Άργος τ’είχον Τίρυνθα τε τειχιόεσσαν.. Από Τίρυνθος τής Άλω θυγατρός, ήτις Αμφιτρύωνος ήν αδελφή. Εκαλείτο δέ πρότερον Αλιείς» (Στ.Βυζαντ.).
The Myceneaeans not Greeks? Because you say so?
Please, do yourself a favour and read about Linear B writing system. It has been decoded since 1950s. It is 65 years now that Mycenaeans are scientifically proved to be nothing else than Greek. Which is exactly what ancient writers had written themselves but 19th-early20th century Europeans (for any parapolitical reasons) did not want to accept.
They swallowed it all though when Ventris did the decoding.
So are you searching to swallow anything?
Greek: Ἴλιον, Ilion, Τροία, =TROY... Dardanus = Δάρδανος, from the verb δαρδάπτω to wear, to slay, to burn up was a son of Zeus and Electra, daughter of Atlas, and founder of the city of Dardania on Mount Ida in the Troad.Dardanus' children by Batea were Ilus, Erichthonius, Idaea and Zacynthus...Ilus was the founder of the city called Ilion to which he gave his name,and became the chief city of the Trojan people it was also often called Troy, the name by which it is best known today....
Those kings were the ancestors of Priam. Hector was Priam's eldest son by Hecuba, and heir to the Trojan throne. Paris also known as Alexander, another son, was the cause of the Trojan War. Other children of Priam and Hecuba include the prophetic Helenus and Cassandra; eldest daughter Ilione; Deiphobus; Troilus; Polites; Creusa, wife of Aeneas; Laodice, wife of Helicaon; Polyxena, who was slaughtered on the grave of Achilles; and Polydorus, his youngest son. GREEK NAMES GREEK PEOPLE!..BEHAVE !
Anyway, Myceneans are known to be Greeks for decades now.
Their writing system,Linear B, has been identified as an early greek alphabet, before the Greeks adopted and modified the Phoenician one.
Also the Pelasgians are different from them.
They are even older and could even be the forefathers of Greeks.
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Your mind does not work properly !In the second millennium BC Mycenae was one of the major centres of Greek civilization, a military stronghold which dominated much of southern Greece. The period of Greek history from about 2000 BC to about 1100 BC is called Mycenaean in reference to Mycenae....BEHAVE!
So the seas people were the Greeks?
No. Cyprus is culturally separate in the Mycenaean period (MH-LHIIIB)
@37Dionysos And they were probably a lot more peaceful -- well, at least, there was no evidence of warfare and it seemed that they had a more egalitarian culture.
Untrue statement. They were Proto-Greeks. Do your research before being dogmatic. What you could call ''Pelasgians'' are the Pro-Greek Minoans and the people of the Cycladic civilisation who were most likely relatives of the Minoans. As for the Myceneans, search for the Linear B writing system to see the Proto-Greek form of words and then the way they became in Classical Greek. For example: ''wanaks''= άναξ= lord, gwasileus= βασιλεύς= king, elaiwon= έλαιον= olive oil etc.
... in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived,..........said the Egyptian priest to Solon the Athenian statesman who visited Egypt the year 600 b.c... and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived.
. If people are to preserve true history these days they should simply educate themselves. . Western-Europe America ,AND MOSTLY ZIONISM, feels it has a need to shape a theory that would make them superior in opposition to their dependents. Imposing forcibly on the Greeks a difficult indoeuropean ethnicity, they are extremely lucky if they can connect their civilization to the Hellenes, stealing essentially from Hellenic greatness and conforming it to their needs.
I have find that 99% of any people know VERY little history
no lower city in troy.
NOT TRUE, IDIOT.
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I wanted to know about Mycenaeans not the fucking siege of Troy
cyprus is mycenean
Historians would disagree with you...
The names, Pasiphaë, Ariadne, Androgeus, Deucalion, Phaedra, Glaucus, Catreus, Acacallis and Xenodike., Pareia, Eurymedon, Nephalion, Chryses and Philolaus, Heracles Dexithea, Minos ,Euxanthius if they are not Greek,what are they?... JEWISH?...EEEE?....OR ALBANIAN?....BEHAVE NOW AND DO NOT SMART OUT WITH ME!
Greece Was The First Civilization of Mankind to rose up and develope back in the late Stone Age and Early Bronze Age before and right after the last Ice Age period to creat for its self a Human Civilization of Mankind.long before anybody else, Greece was the first Western Civilization and of Mankind to create.THE GREEKS NEVER CAME FROM ANYWHERE,..THEY WERE ALWAYS LIVING IN THE LAND OF GREECE,.SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME!
There never existed a void in Greek History
The Greeks are autohthones. From here the white people travel all over the world,giving knowledge and language to everybody.Each era of history transitions logically and smoothly into the next. The Hellenes from their creation, the creation of man until today, have lived continuously on this Earth and the lands called Greece. Palaeolithic places are found all over the entire country of Greece,proving they were always in this land.