This entire set of symphonies conducted by Gardiner, which I also own, is my favorite. Of course there are plenty of other excellent versions out there, both with and without period instruments.
Favorite is a term I'd wish 90% of these TH-camrs could settle on - we have to endure all of these "greatest, best, better than" comments. Favorite is how we should describe our likes, because it's mostly interpretation and opinion anyway.
Beethoven. Sure he's made me better songwriter after studying him Often find myself on a Beethoven binge after listening to his lesser known contemporaries.
I am continually astounded that some people insist on making relative comparisons of composers and works as though they are making objective statements. Rather, it is always a statement about the preferences of a person's own nervous system. Anything beyond that is egocentric at best - projecting one's own preferences out onto the universe.
We shouldn't try to say, "this composer is way better than this other composer." That's not at all the way to go about this! Beethoven represents only a fraction of the great web of musical history. Though everyone is allowed to have their preferences, it's completely unfair to say that this work is objectively better or worse than others. Without Beethoven, the other composers would not have ever existed as we know them.
Alan, I couldn't agree more. These comments with all of the absolutes, and endless opinion. Music is for us to enjoy, not to compare like a fair-winning cucumber. "Best ever" "Greater than" yada-yada-yada - what do you expect though.....
Everyone focuses on Beethoven, Mozart or Haydn, but we forget composers like Romberg, Erbel, Vanhal, Clementi, Ries, Mehul, Wranitzky and Cartelieri. And. it was these composers whose works and orchestration really capture the sound and emotions of the era. The recording industry has spoiled our ears, because the musical sounds were far more raw back then. Take Romberg's Second Symphony, for example. It really hits you in a way that is quite the opposite of the emotional response we have to the more refined Beethoven or Mozart. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not dissing these composers, but Beethoven and Mozart wrote for and had associations with the aristocracy. Private composers so to speak. Whereas a composer like Romberg wrote for themselves. It's akin to Russia's Mighty Five of the 19th Century. Their output was much more crude sounding than the Western influence we hear in their rival Tchaikovsky.
Pipestud3 CorncobPuffer you are Virtue Signalling, the unfortunate ailment of our time. All the classical forums are full of such commentary. Demonstrating a preference for forgotten composers does not put you above other listeners on the knowledge/taste totem pole. And the recording industry has nothing to do with their irrelevance, it is educated performers first and foremost that have dismissed these works lesser works by lesser composers for what they are and gravitated to the greats that you so snobbishly dismiss.
What Kurkikohtaus said in spades. First, Clementi is not "forgotten." Second, Mehul isn't totally so. Third, to the degree they're semi-forgotten in some cases, fully so in others? There's a REASON. Plus? Remember it was Beethoven who erased the original title from Eroica. It was Beethoven who threatened to leave Vienna unless the aristocrats gave him a stipend. And, as for others? Again, there was a REASON. Aristocrats didn't pay them because they weren't so good. It wasn't that a Carteliere said at age 19: "I'm not going to write for those phucking artistocrats."
Your Tchaikovsky stanning deserved a second comment all by itself. He wrote stereotypical Romantic melodies but couldn't do diddly with counterpoint and development. I'll take Rimsky-Korsakov over him any day.
Oh, hell, let's add a third comment. Being stuffed-shirted usually comes off better when you spell the names correctly on the name-dropping the first time.
I think it's unfair to say this blows Mahler and Brahms out of the water. However it is true that this symphony marks the beginning of a symphonic tradition, without which we would never have had Mahler and Brahms as we know them. I would not say this out classes Mahler and Brahms, and I wouldn't even say this symphony out classes later Beethoven symphonies. But this symphony is the base of a pyramid. Without this work, Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Mahler, Schönberg, and countless others would not have existed as we know them.
best version
(I) Adagio molto - Allegro con brio: 0:00
(II) Andante cantabile con moto: 8:20
(III) Menuetto: 14:54
(IV) Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace: 19:00
Simply amazing!
This entire set of symphonies conducted by Gardiner, which I also own, is my favorite. Of course there are plenty of other excellent versions out there, both with and without period instruments.
Zinman and the Tonhalle is the best I've heard on modern instruments. He was the first I heard perform the new critical text version of Eroica.
Favorite is a term I'd wish 90% of these TH-camrs could settle on - we have to endure all of these "greatest, best, better than" comments. Favorite is how we should describe our likes, because it's mostly interpretation and opinion anyway.
Has Gardiner done a recording with this tempo for modern instruments? I’d love to hear that.
Beautiful!
Sound excellent quality! Great version!
One of the best 1st smphonies i have ever heard.
Gardiner at his best.
Carlos Monteiro Agreed, although dwarfed by Mahler's 1st
@@cauebs nonce...
Beethoven. Sure he's made me better songwriter after studying him Often find myself on a Beethoven binge after listening to his lesser known contemporaries.
Beautiful! !!! I like soo Much !
Studying this for AS music, and I'm so glad of it!
I play this!! very beautiful
I am continually astounded that some people insist on making relative comparisons of composers and works as though they are making objective statements. Rather, it is always a statement about the preferences of a person's own nervous system. Anything beyond that is egocentric at best - projecting one's own preferences out onto the universe.
We shouldn't try to say, "this composer is way better than this other composer." That's not at all the way to go about this! Beethoven represents only a fraction of the great web of musical history. Though everyone is allowed to have their preferences, it's completely unfair to say that this work is objectively better or worse than others. Without Beethoven, the other composers would not have ever existed as we know them.
Alan, I couldn't agree more. These comments with all of the absolutes, and endless opinion.
Music is for us to enjoy, not to compare like a fair-winning cucumber. "Best ever" "Greater than" yada-yada-yada - what do you expect though.....
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Everyone focuses on Beethoven, Mozart or Haydn, but we forget composers like Romberg, Erbel, Vanhal, Clementi, Ries, Mehul, Wranitzky and Cartelieri. And. it was these composers whose works and orchestration really capture the sound and emotions of the era. The recording industry has spoiled our ears, because the musical sounds were far more raw back then. Take Romberg's Second Symphony, for example. It really hits you in a way that is quite the opposite of the emotional response we have to the more refined Beethoven or Mozart. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not dissing these composers, but Beethoven and Mozart wrote for and had associations with the aristocracy. Private composers so to speak. Whereas a composer like Romberg wrote for themselves. It's akin to Russia's Mighty Five of the 19th Century. Their output was much more crude sounding than the Western influence we hear in their rival Tchaikovsky.
Pipestud3 CorncobPuffer you are Virtue Signalling, the unfortunate ailment of our time. All the classical forums are full of such commentary. Demonstrating a preference for forgotten composers does not put you above other listeners on the knowledge/taste totem pole. And the recording industry has nothing to do with their irrelevance, it is educated performers first and foremost that have dismissed these works lesser works by lesser composers for what they are and gravitated to the greats that you so snobbishly dismiss.
Erbel not,Eberl
What Kurkikohtaus said in spades. First, Clementi is not "forgotten." Second, Mehul isn't totally so. Third, to the degree they're semi-forgotten in some cases, fully so in others? There's a REASON. Plus? Remember it was Beethoven who erased the original title from Eroica. It was Beethoven who threatened to leave Vienna unless the aristocrats gave him a stipend. And, as for others? Again, there was a REASON. Aristocrats didn't pay them because they weren't so good. It wasn't that a Carteliere said at age 19: "I'm not going to write for those phucking artistocrats."
Your Tchaikovsky stanning deserved a second comment all by itself. He wrote stereotypical Romantic melodies but couldn't do diddly with counterpoint and development. I'll take Rimsky-Korsakov over him any day.
Oh, hell, let's add a third comment. Being stuffed-shirted usually comes off better when you spell the names correctly on the name-dropping the first time.
blows mahler and brahms out the water!
Mahler? Perhaps. Brahms? Absolutely not. (Just listen to Brahms 1.)
Mahler? Absolutely not (Listen to Mahler 9)
No doubt Gardiner's fascist relatives would applaud such barbaric sentiments.
I think it's unfair to say this blows Mahler and Brahms out of the water. However it is true that this symphony marks the beginning of a symphonic tradition, without which we would never have had Mahler and Brahms as we know them. I would not say this out classes Mahler and Brahms, and I wouldn't even say this symphony out classes later Beethoven symphonies. But this symphony is the base of a pyramid. Without this work, Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Mahler, Schönberg, and countless others would not have existed as we know them.
Only the feeble minded say such things - music is 90% opinion, and we really don't care.
brahms was way better!!
Absolutely agreed. (No offense to Beethoven.) The utter majesty of his own first symphony is physically impossible to surpass.
wow. that is the stupidest thing I have heard in my life.
@@georgekp9863 I have to agree - only a weak mind tries to sell absolutes
LIke it
Simply amazing!
(I) Adagio molto - Allegro con brio: 0:00
(II) Andante cantabile con moto: 8:20
(III) Menuetto: 14:54
(IV) Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace: 19:00