The Finnish flag is called Siniristilippu, “the Blue Cross Flag”. The Finnish people are, however, of the Baltic (making them closer to Celts who are genetically connected to the Turks) Finnic ethnic group, which actually makes Estonia the Finns closest relatives. As the Finns are considered to be part of the Baltic Finnic ethnic group they are not considered either Scandinavian or Slavic. There is, however, a sub-group of some 450 000 Sweden Finns whose heritage and ethnicity would be considered Scandinavian, and parts of northern Finland are located on the Scandinavian peninsula. Culture, society (Finland is actually far less angsty as the US), and genetic memory. All of those things influence. Yes, pagans have songs about nature, but it's usually in general. In Europe, it can get more specific, but not always. In America, pagans have always been marginalized/persecuted... We love nature, but in a country that has hated us.... Native American however, all about the nature here, but they've been here for THOUSANDS of years. Well, there are UV lamps, so D can be gotten that way. The Norse, Finns... we're born of cold night. We're used to it. LOL I've always enjoyed Korpiklaani. Great band. Some bodies of water are conduits to carbon monoxide/dioxide. Same kind of thing in Greece. So in those cases, science at the time didn't have the full reason as to why certain things would happen. As I've said before, magic is a force or focus of energy that cannot be explained by science yet. I almost drowned in the Gulf of Mexico... I love swimming. Still. I wasn't traumatized. Each member of the band is just as important as the other (AND the road crew, CANNOT forget them at all). I've been in bands (toured, recorded...), and we ALL relied on each other. Musically, physically, emotionally.... It's a tribe. All it takes is one to make it fall apart. Just because the clothing is high priced/name brand, doesn't mean it's good quality. DL should know that. In America, mental illness is looked down upon and it frightens people. It is stigmatized. Problem is, in America, if someone is just out and about, people are scared to get involved and generally don't care. There is no sense of community in America anymore. Daniel and Vin, it sounds like rap because of the cadence he is using combined with the language. So, no, not rap. It is impressive none the less. Sori does have a good voice for narration. I agree. And we can tell Sori is not a geek. It's okay. In Norse, the tale of the death of Balder is a tale about how too much ego is self defeating. Having SOME ego/pride is fine, but the moment you become an ass about it..... Stoicism has it's place, but I don't think it's universal. I've been homeless. I don't look down on it at all.
What do you mean with "FInns are of Baltic making"? Do you mean the Baltic Sea? If you mean the Balts (people), then no. Genetically closest peoples to Finns are Northern Russians,, Estonians and Central Russians, if whole DNA is looked at. After them come the Volga River region Finnic peoples, and after them the Balts (Latvians and Lihuanians). If looked at the yDNA (paternal DNA) the North Russians and Finns are practically the same group. Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are the next closest group. Unfortunately I don't have data of the yDNA genetic distance of Volga region Finnic peoples. East Slavs (Central Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians), West Slavs (Poles, Kashubs (Pomerania Slavs), Slovaks) and Swedes come next closest. If looked at mtDNA (maternal DNA) then North Russians and Finns are the same group again. West Slavs and Balts are the next closest groups, and then the East Slavs. Again unfortunately no data of the Volga region Finnic peoples. Why are Finns so close similar genetically with Northern Russians? If you go to Bronze Age, whole North-western Russia was populated by peoples similar to Finns. During the Iron Age and Medieval they adobted Russian culture. I always thought the more numerous Slavs from south replaced the fewer Finns, but no, it seems that the Finns in Northern Russia adobted the Russian culture and still make the majority of people there. You can see this very easy to read images in the scientific paper: "Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations: A Synthesis of Autosomal, Mitochondrial and Y-Chromosomal Data". I'm not adding links because YT doesn't like links. But the paper can be found easily from two sites that publish scientific papaers, no need to subscribe, free to all. Look at the figure 2, it explains the results. It's a very good research, they used huge DNA databases, and it's interesting for many other European peoples too, many of them are included. And it's an international research team, published 2015. Another interesting research is "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe". If you look at the admixture maps, you can see how Finnish and Russian admixture is identical. If you did mean the Baltic Sea, then the closest people to Finns live North-Eastern Baltic Sea: Estonians and Russians.
Thank you for this video! Im a Finnish pagan and im a big fan of you! I've seen you very boldly and wisely commenting many songs that don't share your religious views. I think that the world needs more of this.
21:00 When you talked about US not having a strong connection to the nature because of theres not a long ancestry it's partly the same thing here in Finland. Only 500 years ago the Finns lived only in the southern half of Finland. The northern side was populated by the Sami people. During our history the Finns have always opressed the Sami. They are Europes only indigenous people. So there was (and still is) colonization in Finland too. Nowdays the Sami live only in the most northern part of the country. I think we have to aknowledge this and remember it. You can still feel the roots to your land. You can if your people have lived there 2000 or 1000 or 500 or 200 years. You just have to show respect to those who were there before. I don't have an easy answer how exactly you should feel the connection to the land. I think that theres no an easy answer. Just try to be compassionate. Yours A Finnish Pagan
Stam1na - Kadonneet kolme sanaa, how I have always interpreted it is that it tells a story about how the boy has had such a bad experiences in life, was treated badly by others and how that has marked him deep in his mind (Only landmarks on my mind are the deep scars, I run and try to find my way back home but I am just a lost boy turning in circles..) SO the chorus about Vihaan sinua ihminen (I hate you human) is not about a other person precisely or about the boy/man himself but about humanity in general. About how we as humans treat each other and how freeing it is for the boy/man to realize these lost three words (I hate you human, I finally found it, I found the lost sentence. I hate you human, the lost three words, it was time to change the direction anyway) etc. It frees him from the bad feelings towards others and himself since he now knows it's simply the human nature to hurt others. Home in the song it not necessarily a physical place but I state of mind, time when you were still innocence and now you are grown up and start seeing all the greys between black and white. And how you can't get back to that place.
North America like Finland has thousands of years prehistory though, known only as oral tradition and art, until about early 16th century came writing. Central America then is your Meditearranean region, where cultures had writing much earlier. Or at least their writing survived. They have unearthed birch bark writings in Finnish language from centuries earlier Russian settlements in Russian letters. Maybe North American natives also wrote on something that didn't survive to this day?
Vermilia is amazing. There's some great live videos of her as well. Really glad someone finally showed her to you. I think she's one of the awesome young new talents in Finland's black metal scene. I've tried to push her through a few votes in XU and TK and I haven't had much like, largely because not many people know of her. Regardless, well done Kai, well done!
About the Korpiklaani song. In Finnish mythology there are veden väki (water people). They can be sometimes evil and lure people into waters. The evil water people are called vesihiisis. And good or neutral spirits are called vetehinens (!) (Who has a cool account name?)
The smith and appreentice case: probably not an access to underworld, but there are spirits (or maidens) that live in ponds, springs, bogholes, sea and so on. This sounds more to me a spirit that lures in, or charms victims. Maybe it is Vetehinen, son of Ahti, god of the sea. Vetehinen is sometimes decribed as malevolent, sometimes good (fishermen pray both Ahti and Vetehinen to aid them). There are also maidens of water (in singular: vedenneito or vesihiisi). They are beautiful maidens who human men want to take as their wife, or vice versa they lure men to become their mates. For example a maiden of water offered herself as the wife of the mightiest hero of Kalevala, Väinämöinen. In folk lore maidens of water, air and also Underworld are actually good-natured, who are prayed for help and healing. Of the maidens of Underworld, for example Kipu-tyttö takes your pains away and mashes pains inside a rock, and she is weeping while doing it because the pains hurt her, Vammatar helps to heal injuries, Kalma (Death) releases those beyond healing and takes them to Underworld River, where another maiden, Tuonen-tytti rows the dead person over the river. Tuonetar (also known as Loviatar) is the ruler of Underworld, wise goddess of magic, a good hostess. Her human avatar, Louhi, has daughters called the Maidens of Pohjola (Pohjola = Northern realm) who are said to be most beautiful women of all, the heroes of Kalevala went to woo them. But on the other hand Northern Wind impregnates her, and from that many illnesses are born. North Wind can be understood as a malevolent entity. Pagan Age dead ancestors were protectors, often buried near the house. They were given items and weapons for their Underworld life, and also offered food for them. So they wouldn't be evil, at least if you had a good releationship with the dead person. But if the dead was a bad person or your enemy, then obviously that continued after death.
kai,vin and sori my heroes. first time i heard alkusointu song to anybody to react. awesome song and i dont really understand what meaning about that poet have. but loiri and holopainen have made so good song. than to great reaction.
I’m 58 can’t run anymore, so I’ll have to fight , lol I’m not the first person to pick a fight with even at this age ! Religious, I am radical in my faith, even Outlawish
Mokoma definitively has thrash in their catalogue. They have good slower songs too, like this one, but I prefer their fast songs, which are the best in the business. Try "Poltetun maan taktiikka" (scorched earth tactics), Kuollut kuolleempi kuollein (dead, deader, the deadest :P), Lujaa tekoa (of sterner stuff/solid as a rock... something), Punainen Kukko (Red Rooster). They will blow your head clean off \m/
Translating poetry... there's no harder task. Even translating old poems into modern tongue is difficult, and translating some early Iron Age language into modern language... that's just as impossible.
21:00 When you talked about US not having a strong connection to the nature because of theres not a long ancestry it's partly the same thing here in Finland. Only 500 years ago the Finns lived only in the southern half of Finland. The northern side was populated by the Sami people. During our history the Finns have always opressed the Sami. They are Europes only indigenous people. So there was (and still is) colonization in Finland too. Nowdays the Sami live only in the most northern part of the country. I think we have to aknowledge this and remember it. You can still feel the roots to your land. You can if your people have lived there 2000 or 1000 or 500 or 200 years. You just have to show respect to those who were there before. I don't have an easy answer how exactly you should feel the connection to the land. I think that theres no an easy answer. Just try to be compassionate. Yours A Finnish Pagan
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The Finnish flag is called Siniristilippu, “the Blue Cross Flag”. The Finnish people are, however, of the Baltic (making them closer to Celts who are genetically connected to the Turks) Finnic ethnic group, which actually makes Estonia the Finns closest relatives. As the Finns are considered to be part of the Baltic Finnic ethnic group they are not considered either Scandinavian or Slavic. There is, however, a sub-group of some 450 000 Sweden Finns whose heritage and ethnicity would be considered Scandinavian, and parts of northern Finland are located on the Scandinavian peninsula.
Culture, society (Finland is actually far less angsty as the US), and genetic memory. All of those things influence. Yes, pagans have songs about nature, but it's usually in general. In Europe, it can get more specific, but not always. In America, pagans have always been marginalized/persecuted... We love nature, but in a country that has hated us.... Native American however, all about the nature here, but they've been here for THOUSANDS of years.
Well, there are UV lamps, so D can be gotten that way. The Norse, Finns... we're born of cold night. We're used to it. LOL
I've always enjoyed Korpiklaani. Great band. Some bodies of water are conduits to carbon monoxide/dioxide. Same kind of thing in Greece. So in those cases, science at the time didn't have the full reason as to why certain things would happen. As I've said before, magic is a force or focus of energy that cannot be explained by science yet.
I almost drowned in the Gulf of Mexico... I love swimming. Still. I wasn't traumatized.
Each member of the band is just as important as the other (AND the road crew, CANNOT forget them at all). I've been in bands (toured, recorded...), and we ALL relied on each other. Musically, physically, emotionally.... It's a tribe. All it takes is one to make it fall apart.
Just because the clothing is high priced/name brand, doesn't mean it's good quality. DL should know that.
In America, mental illness is looked down upon and it frightens people. It is stigmatized. Problem is, in America, if someone is just out and about, people are scared to get involved and generally don't care. There is no sense of community in America anymore.
Daniel and Vin, it sounds like rap because of the cadence he is using combined with the language. So, no, not rap. It is impressive none the less.
Sori does have a good voice for narration. I agree. And we can tell Sori is not a geek. It's okay.
In Norse, the tale of the death of Balder is a tale about how too much ego is self defeating. Having SOME ego/pride is fine, but the moment you become an ass about it.....
Stoicism has it's place, but I don't think it's universal.
I've been homeless. I don't look down on it at all.
What do you mean with "FInns are of Baltic making"? Do you mean the Baltic Sea? If you mean the Balts (people), then no. Genetically closest peoples to Finns are Northern Russians,, Estonians and Central Russians, if whole DNA is looked at. After them come the Volga River region Finnic peoples, and after them the Balts (Latvians and Lihuanians).
If looked at the yDNA (paternal DNA) the North Russians and Finns are practically the same group. Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are the next closest group. Unfortunately I don't have data of the yDNA genetic distance of Volga region Finnic peoples. East Slavs (Central Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians), West Slavs (Poles, Kashubs (Pomerania Slavs), Slovaks) and Swedes come next closest.
If looked at mtDNA (maternal DNA) then North Russians and Finns are the same group again. West Slavs and Balts are the next closest groups, and then the East Slavs. Again unfortunately no data of the Volga region Finnic peoples.
Why are Finns so close similar genetically with Northern Russians? If you go to Bronze Age, whole North-western Russia was populated by peoples similar to Finns. During the Iron Age and Medieval they adobted Russian culture. I always thought the more numerous Slavs from south replaced the fewer Finns, but no, it seems that the Finns in Northern Russia adobted the Russian culture and still make the majority of people there.
You can see this very easy to read images in the scientific paper: "Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations: A Synthesis of Autosomal, Mitochondrial and Y-Chromosomal Data". I'm not adding links because YT doesn't like links. But the paper can be found easily from two sites that publish scientific papaers, no need to subscribe, free to all. Look at the figure 2, it explains the results. It's a very good research, they used huge DNA databases, and it's interesting for many other European peoples too, many of them are included. And it's an international research team, published 2015.
Another interesting research is "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe". If you look at the admixture maps, you can see how Finnish and Russian admixture is identical.
If you did mean the Baltic Sea, then the closest people to Finns live North-Eastern Baltic Sea: Estonians and Russians.
Thank you for this video! Im a Finnish pagan and im a big fan of you! I've seen you very boldly and wisely commenting many songs that don't share your religious views. I think that the world needs more of this.
21:00 When you talked about US not having a strong connection to the nature because of theres not a long ancestry it's partly the same thing here in Finland. Only 500 years ago the Finns lived only in the southern half of Finland. The northern side was populated by the Sami people. During our history the Finns have always opressed the Sami. They are Europes only indigenous people.
So there was (and still is) colonization in Finland too. Nowdays the Sami live only in the most northern part of the country.
I think we have to aknowledge this and remember it. You can still feel the roots to your land. You can if your people have lived there 2000 or 1000 or 500 or 200 years. You just have to show respect to those who were there before. I don't have an easy answer how exactly you should feel the connection to the land. I think that theres no an easy answer. Just try to be compassionate.
Yours
A Finnish Pagan
Stam1na - Kadonneet kolme sanaa, how I have always interpreted it is that it tells a story about how the boy has had such a bad experiences in life, was treated badly by others and how that has marked him deep in his mind (Only landmarks on my mind are the deep scars, I run and try to find my way back home but I am just a lost boy turning in circles..) SO the chorus about Vihaan sinua ihminen (I hate you human) is not about a other person precisely or about the boy/man himself but about humanity in general. About how we as humans treat each other and how freeing it is for the boy/man to realize these lost three words (I hate you human, I finally found it, I found the lost sentence. I hate you human, the lost three words, it was time to change the direction anyway) etc. It frees him from the bad feelings towards others and himself since he now knows it's simply the human nature to hurt others. Home in the song it not necessarily a physical place but I state of mind, time when you were still innocence and now you are grown up and start seeing all the greys between black and white. And how you can't get back to that place.
North America like Finland has thousands of years prehistory though, known only as oral tradition and art, until about early 16th century came writing.
Central America then is your Meditearranean region, where cultures had writing much earlier. Or at least their writing survived. They have unearthed birch bark writings in Finnish language from centuries earlier Russian settlements in Russian letters. Maybe North American natives also wrote on something that didn't survive to this day?
Vermilia is amazing. There's some great live videos of her as well. Really glad someone finally showed her to you. I think she's one of the awesome young new talents in Finland's black metal scene. I've tried to push her through a few votes in XU and TK and I haven't had much like, largely because not many people know of her. Regardless, well done Kai, well done!
Bro she’s legit amazing
Vermilia got one of the best Finnish cover songs that i have heard. Täällä pohjan tähden alla.
man in Esa Holopainen song is Vesa-Matti Loiri, actor, musician and athlete.
About the Korpiklaani song. In Finnish mythology there are veden väki (water people). They can be sometimes evil and lure people into waters. The evil water people are called vesihiisis. And good or neutral spirits are called vetehinens (!) (Who has a cool account name?)
The smith and appreentice case: probably not an access to underworld, but there are spirits (or maidens) that live in ponds, springs, bogholes, sea and so on. This sounds more to me a spirit that lures in, or charms victims. Maybe it is Vetehinen, son of Ahti, god of the sea. Vetehinen is sometimes decribed as malevolent, sometimes good (fishermen pray both Ahti and Vetehinen to aid them). There are also maidens of water (in singular: vedenneito or vesihiisi). They are beautiful maidens who human men want to take as their wife, or vice versa they lure men to become their mates. For example a maiden of water offered herself as the wife of the mightiest hero of Kalevala, Väinämöinen.
In folk lore maidens of water, air and also Underworld are actually good-natured, who are prayed for help and healing. Of the maidens of Underworld, for example Kipu-tyttö takes your pains away and mashes pains inside a rock, and she is weeping while doing it because the pains hurt her, Vammatar helps to heal injuries, Kalma (Death) releases those beyond healing and takes them to Underworld River, where another maiden, Tuonen-tytti rows the dead person over the river. Tuonetar (also known as Loviatar) is the ruler of Underworld, wise goddess of magic, a good hostess. Her human avatar, Louhi, has daughters called the Maidens of Pohjola (Pohjola = Northern realm) who are said to be most beautiful women of all, the heroes of Kalevala went to woo them. But on the other hand Northern Wind impregnates her, and from that many illnesses are born. North Wind can be understood as a malevolent entity.
Pagan Age dead ancestors were protectors, often buried near the house. They were given items and weapons for their Underworld life, and also offered food for them. So they wouldn't be evil, at least if you had a good releationship with the dead person. But if the dead was a bad person or your enemy, then obviously that continued after death.
kai,vin and sori my heroes. first time i heard alkusointu song to anybody to react. awesome song and i dont really understand what meaning about that poet have. but loiri and holopainen have made so good song. than to great reaction.
You guys must do a stream to Greek metal scene! You don't be disappointed!
Maybe we’ll do the United Nations
You should definitely do more of Stam1na. There are loads of great songs by them - not to mention some bizarre/hilarious music videos.
I’m 58 can’t run anymore, so I’ll have to fight , lol I’m not the first person to pick a fight with even at this age ! Religious, I am radical in my faith, even Outlawish
Mokoma definitively has thrash in their catalogue. They have good slower songs too, like this one, but I prefer their fast songs, which are the best in the business. Try "Poltetun maan taktiikka" (scorched earth tactics), Kuollut kuolleempi kuollein (dead, deader, the deadest :P), Lujaa tekoa (of sterner stuff/solid as a rock... something), Punainen Kukko (Red Rooster). They will blow your head clean off \m/
Translating poetry... there's no harder task. Even translating old poems into modern tongue is difficult, and translating some early Iron Age language into modern language... that's just as impossible.
mokouma... sounds like my glaucoma. lol. i know pronouncing stuff is hard but it is always just so funny. imean how did that U end up in there
Hails to 🇫🇮🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mokoma 👌👍🔥
21:00 When you talked about US not having a strong connection to the nature because of theres not a long ancestry it's partly the same thing here in Finland. Only 500 years ago the Finns lived only in the southern half of Finland. The northern side was populated by the Sami people. During our history the Finns have always opressed the Sami. They are Europes only indigenous people.
So there was (and still is) colonization in Finland too. Nowdays the Sami live only in the most northern part of the country.
I think we have to aknowledge this and remember it. You can still feel the roots to your land. You can if your people have lived there 2000 or 1000 or 500 or 200 years. You just have to show respect to those who were there before. I don't have an easy answer how exactly you should feel the connection to the land. I think that theres no an easy answer. Just try to be compassionate.
Yours
A Finnish Pagan