Moxley told Darby that his match with Danielson is off at Grand Slam because Danielson is hurt... 20 MINUTES LATER, Nigel challenged Danielson to a match at Grand Slam. Tony Khan starting to book like 2019 Vince McMahon.
@@IixAGxiI the context that Nigel knows he's hurt and is counting on Bryan not showing up so he can forfeit making Nigel the winner. Thus Nigel can say he beat him. All that context was left out
@@philo2189 when was this context introduced? He said nothing of the sort. He challenged Bryan and that was it. A guy that 99% of the people don't even know who he is. It makes no sense.
@@zemm9003 when was this context introduced? Right after Mox said Bryan wasn't gunna be at Grand slam they pan to Nigel asking to speak with tony. He spoke with tony for a match. And in the promo Nigel questions if he will come and commentary doesn't think he will be cleared. He's counting on the fact that Bryan is so hurt he might not be there. This is the problem with people like you. I'm 100 percent positive you didn't watch the show. You didn't watch anything about this. You just saw some anti aew account tweet about it and you're just regurgitating it.
But they changed the matches. Wheres the authority figure to say No u dont just get to make a match bc u want it even if other particicpant agrees. Also, Box office to who bc only reason Nigel got pop as much as he did was bc of UK. One guy is on last leg and other hasnt had singles match in 15yrs.
Honestly, who cares? Was anyone complaining about the moment in the 2010 Royal Rumble when Roddy Piper and Superfly Snucka reignited their feud? This is an audience who knows the Ring of Honor Lore. And even if they don't, you only need to show them a short clip package before the match to let them know "they have history" then the work in the ring will sell the rest.
As a fan who watched ROH and every Bryan/Nigel match, even I will tell you AEW sucks at explaining anything to new viewers. TK watched all the same stuff I did and just seems to assume everyone else did too, and it's beyond stupid. Especially when they have the ROH library and could easily put together a series of video packages to contextualise everything.
See the build is stupid but also they said Darby can’t fight bryan because Bryan is injured but then you have Nigel getting a match against Bryan which is stupider
It makes perfect sense. Nigel said in the promo that he knows Bryan won't make it because he's hurt. He's a heel he's banking on the fact that Bryan won't make it so it can be forfeit and Nigel can say he beat him. It makes perfect sense.
@timeto_wrestle These 2 have decads of building up. Maybe if you , bully ray and mr.criticism guy with the glasses and obnoxious attitude, actually followed the stories of either man instead of sucking tribal chief £^^& 4 years and kissing up to Vince and "sports entertainment " you would recognise the best feud in bloody WRESTLING. You people make me sick.
What if people didn't watch ROH. They're being told nothing about why Nigel wanted this match , nothing about their history, nothing about the reason Nigel just started being heel on commentary towards Bryan.
Nigel has been heel towards Danielson since his first day in the company. We can all pretend to be ignorant and naive af but if you even had an inkling to care about why he had so much distain for Danielson after a FULL CALANDER YEAR of commentary hating, and never typed their two names together into youtube's search engine, than that's on you.
It’s pretty easy to see he’s been taking shots at Danielson, and if you researched you’d see why there wrestling, you have internet don’t you? You probably just want to hate this.
@@lostinmyhead07it's just a wrestling show..why dont u just tell the audience why nigel hates danielson..why should the audience needs to do research for things that happen a decades ago..doesn't make any sense.
There is no justifying the way we got here. Mox said Bryan can't compete and the commentators confirmed it. Even if they didn't. Mox made it clear that he would not allow anyone to have a title shot against Bryan before he does. If Mox doesn't stop Nigel from having his match, then what was the point of telling Darby to give up his match if he's going to let some random dude have the match while he's fighting over a number 1 contenders match. They should've just had Nigel win the number 1 contenders match and have interference from Mox that leads to their title match and the Nigel match later on. They had a good thing going and they flushed it down the drain.
I'm not defending the booking in the slightest. I think it's stupid, rushed and disjointed. But purely for the record - Nigel vs. Bryan will be non-title. In theory, Bryan is not healthy enough to defend the title, but Nigel talked Tony into just a match. And no, I don't understand how someone can be too hurt to defend a title, but healthy enough to fight a guy who has held a grudge against him for over a decade.
Then you missed a rivalry that I pu up there with Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart, Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steampboat, Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin, Ric Flair vs. Sting, Taz vs. Sabu, Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lyn, John Cena vs. Randy Orton. AEW owns 22 Years of Ring of Honor Footage, they should be showing us promoss and matches between Mcuineess and Danielson from their Video Library. AEW should have this on their You Tube Chaqnnel, Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, Honor Club and Social Media.
But a "small amount of people" only watched RoH so Tony assuming that the viewers know about their history ,when they haven't told us the viewer about their history in roh and why Nigel wants this match . Tony has the all the footage ,he could have a great build for this fued instead of hot shotting it @@KirsiKastinen
@IixAGxiI well considering they had a sold out show in msg once ppl were watching roh for years. Most probably on streaming services etc but I do agree this match could have been built better. Maybe in the next couple of weeks they'll be promo packages hyping it
@@IixAGxiIit is absurd. People clearly don't care about this match. They couldn't even defend it on the Observer's channel so that tells you how bad it is.
Typical AEW. Here’s a shiny awesome match on paper, with absolutely no recent story at alllllllllll. Nigel literally just came back to wrestle in a battle royal and lost. Now he’s fighting Bryan? 🤦♂️ why? Cause of something that happened 20 years ago? No one cares. The mild crowd noise showed it.
The crowd was terrible, and he did not get pinned at the gauntlet match, they’ve been building to this for months , you clearly don’t watch, one if many that take AEWs existence personal
@@lostinmyhead07 ah the good ol AEW excuse blaming their own paying customers 🤦♂️. Building for months? Where? On the internet? Lololololol also I never said he got pinned I said he lost, becuase he did, he lost. And now he’s miraculously fighting Bryan? And they’re excuse for Darby not fighting Bryan was Braun was to hurt, but now he can fight Nigel? AEW makes no sense in a storytelling point of view. They have great talented wrestlers, but that’s it.
The issue with AEW Booking, and I believe they did this to Swerve (or at least it seemed like they tried to.) They'll do something along the lines of hint at Mox vs Bryan or Darby vs Bryan but next week announce Nigel McGuinness vs Bryan at Grand Slam, well that already tells us Bryan's not losing that match because they've already pretty much established Darby/Mox vs Bryan. They announce their future booked matches WAY too fucking soon to the point that we're not left wondering what happens next because they told us what's happening via context clues. Where's the fucking surprise. AEW's problem with booking is they book an immediate match, exciting 15 years of history but then it gets overshadowed they've already pretty much solidified Darby/Mox vs Bryan.
because that era of ROH is what TK watched and made him a wrestling fan. So this is another opportunity for Tony to put his action figures together for another match he's always wanted to see. Never has the phrase: "AEW only needs to please an audience of one: Tony Khan" more appropriate.
tommy is just on the hill of defending the bad booking lmao its weird to see him twist everything into a way for it to make sense when its clear the buildup could be better... RAMPAGE AND COLLISION LOLLLL
The way everything was explained was definitely puzzling for sure but it does somewhat make sense in that Nigel as a heel is counting on Bryan Danielson not being able to make it to the show so he can take a tainted victory by countout and brag about it nonstop on the mic and on commentary because of his constant pettiness towards him especially if this isn't going to be a one-off. This can at least set up an actual match for later that they can build up to and explain the backstory of with all this footage they have from their matches in Ring of Honor and go into why Bryan got all this success while Nigel went to TNA and despite starting strong ended up doing a whole lot of nothing before being forced to retire early and then becoming a commentator. Hopefully they let Nigel explain why he got this match whereas Darby's scheduled title shot has now been postponed and will now be put up in the match with him and Moxley, that part makes sense for sure but they do need to explain how this one is happening instead although maybe it's a case of Bryan deciding he doesn't wanna fight Darby in his current state and devalue a possible title loss and that he saw what Nigel said and then told Tony to just make the match and he'll try to be there to settle the score.
For Nigel and his fans, it’s just good to see him actually getting to be an actuall character in AEW beyond the bland confines of commentary, especially considering half of those fans are experiencing his sense of humour for the first time. ‘They’re calling him the neck brace kid…’😆 Hell was starting to get the distinct impression he’s been on commentary for permanent injury reasons since he wasn’t already an active wrestler on the roster? Hell my scrambled brains vaguely remembers wasn’t that how he stopped being an active wrestler as Wolfe in TNA in the first place?🤷♂️
Dude it's been a freaking day. Give them some time and see where the story goes. AEW has been cooking with their stories right now and they just need the grace to tell a story
I really miss when they used to do clips of people that come into the company like new people or a legend they used to put something together to kind of show new people of what they've done in their career they need to bring it back
Looking forward to the match, hoped nige v Bryan would happen one more time-agree though it’s not the right place to book it, should’ve been a ppv with a month or so build -unless it’s a swerve and Mcguiness joins the Mox stable 🤔
The problem with this is the same problem AEW always creates for itself. They assume that everyone watching is already aware of everything that has ever gone on in the wrestling business. I've heard William Regal put it best. When you're out there, never assume that anyone knows who you are. Also, if Brian Danielson is cleared to compete, he should be wrestling Darby Allin. The whole point of the Moxley/Darby match is because Brian isn't cleared to compete.
I thought it didnt make any sense, because mox had already said danielson was predisposed. Unless, Mox knew Nigel was gonna challenge Danielson. But it came across like mox was saying bryan wasnt gonna able to wrestle at the event.
Dave, take a breath. Now to answer your question Tony is about booking great matches on paper and does not grasp storytelling. He thinks 'I know all this backstory so everyone else does too' so books in that fashion. Tony is a horrible booker and arguably poor manager. The BEST thing he can do is hire a Tommy, HBK, Corny type of person to take over all booking duties for AEW. Khan shows his inexperience every show and it comes off like a mark owned indy promotion that has a unlimited checkbook. Which really all it is. So While I understand your frustration and I agree there probably is a solid story to be told, take your anger out on Khan as he's the sole person to blame.
Who really remembers Nigel was a wrestler? Just because I do doesnt make this build make any sense. Also Bryan was attacked so viciously by Moxley that Yuta was over in the corner crying and Bryan didnt miss a week of TV so how effective was the breakup of the BCC?
The one thing that was finally mentioned is that Nigel was Desmond Wolf. Desmond came on like gangbusters and, quite frankly, a dominant wrestler who was truly feared. Better than most at WWF. A match between him and Bret Hart as far as I remember never happened, but wow, imagine. I actually thought he was injured as if I remember correctly he was trailing off a bit before he disappeared. That's the name I remember him by. That name should have been part briefly of the promotion for those like myself who were not so experienced with ROH. QUESTION is, is there real animosity towards Bryan? If not, then after the match, if the story has Bryan being attacked by loud mouth, Mox having Nigel come back and team with Bryan would be a great way to finish that storyline. I suppose wheeler is in for a beat down but Bryan needs a little more beef besides Nigel to beat down Mox who deserves it. And a new tough female star to take care of the rag AEW is allowing to put her hands on men. Either way both sides have points. A few more weeks would have helped.
I'm just gonna boil it down to we are on borrowed time with Bryan so we gotta do it now or never cause there are more important stories to tell with Bryan to benefit AEW TV rather than spending too much time with Nigel who is just gonna go back to commentary after this match.
It’s sad u have to apologize and give a whole essay just to criticize AEW. U did nothing wrong this booking is stupid and makes no sense. How they got there is ridiculous and should be called out. AEW is only promotion where u can’t criticize or u are called hater it’s bs.
I think the problem is with the criticism comes hateful rhetoric. People aren’t willing to take criticism when there is hate meshed in with it. So unfortunately it’ll never make sense, but at some point you can’t block out how loud the criticism is becoming. I want aew to succeed because without aew where does that bloated talent pool go? Along with having more than one option of a major wrestling promotion to participate in
Agree with Dave. I never watched ROH because it wasn’t on anywhere I could watch it. It was all word of mouth. Not only are they doing a disservice to this match but they could’ve also used it as a vehicle to re introduce and rebrand ROH. Get eyes on that product
Dave, you brought back some great memories when you mentioned Inman sports arena in edison. I also was at the final countdown show at hammerstein for their last match so like you, I have to go to this aew show BUT this build or lack of is complete SHIT. Especially since the match right now should be vs Mox. How can Brian even give a SHIT about Nigel after the BBC attack at all out. It logically doesn't work. Regardless, Bryan vs Nigel is the drawing me in only because of my memories of ROH.
I was at so many roh shows in that era in the ny/NJ area. Amazing to see this happening again. I'm only still into wrestling as an adult because of that era. Edit - daves point seems pretty undeniable. Didn't realize this was happening so soon. I already know Tommy's response is gonna be frustrating lmao... I feel like Tommy is incredibly disingenuous with his answers.
I don't think that match is happening next week. It makes no sense. They're saying he's not healthy enough to defend his title, but he can face Nige? I think we get this at WrestleDream. Nige will come out, and Bryans music will hit, and he won't come out, and Nige will cut a promo about how he's a coward.
Love how upset LaGreca is about this 🤣 I used to get just as angry watching all the schizophrenic booking and missed opportunities in AEW, but have finally given up on expecting anything more. Now I just watch the PPVs for 2-3 matches that interest me, and I’m set 👍🏻 PS: He’s right. ‘Rampage’ and ‘Collision’ are essentially meaningless. Yet we still get so many ‘Dynamites’ full of garbage involving the Bucks, Perry, Jericho, Cassidy, nonsensical booking, among sooo many other things.
It’s REALLY so simple DAVE… Bryan Danielson is literally retiring after this run so they are craming it all together to make sure Daniel gets all the great matches before he retires. And it’s AEW they always make random matches and can’t tell story’s like WWE
Damn they messed it up by putting it out like that they should had spun it differently that was the issue Mox should had never said that BD can’t defend that title that night for Nigel to come on 20min later and say he just got his match with the champion BD! It was the setup that they messed it up! They need to tell us the story asap! Because the build certainly sucks I agree Dave fully! I want to know why Nigel can’t stand BD! I want to know how BD took Nigel spot in WWE and why Nigel had to settle for a stinking career in TNA that the only think good about it was his feud with perc angle! AEW needs to build the story of these 2 guys!
Aew should have at least main event STARS, right now its MJF and thats hurting now with trying to build garcia, Swerve but thats hurting cause he doesn't have a clear face heel situation and their booking of his title run was insulting, darby and mox.both positioned well currently for it if they can not screw it up, hangman has been better but doesnt feel like a main event talent, sami and ricochet had a great match but still feels a tier under main event, and honestly no one else is there or been built.. aew has no main event scene
Tony Khan doesn’t know how to build stars. There are certain guys who get over due to their abilities, and Tony finds a way to make them mean so much less. It’s fascinating.
I REALLY need AEW to stop kicking the ball into their own goal over and over again. I love the idea of Danielson vs Nigel, that was one of THE defining feuds of ROH right up there with Joe and Punk. BUT this specific setup makes no goddamn sense. And the worst thing about it is it is the easiest thing in the world to come up with a dozen different ways they could have done this better without absolutely cutting the legs out from under the Moxley storyline for no good reason whatsoever. Like damn man, if you wanted this to happen, you should have had Nigel win the match at Wembley, then have him go into the ring like he did this week and say "I can cash this in any time? Well I'm calling my shot, I want my title shot to happen before Darby's shot, then he can face me at a later date, after I beat Bryan Danielson. Whenever Danielson recovers, I want first dibs." As it stands now, it has the classic AEW problem that theres no central organization, nobody is talking to anybody or planning anything out with each other, and theres no boss to say "no, you can't do that." And the thing that makes it particularly frustrating is up to before the Nigel promo, it was easily one of the most intriguing storylines they've ever done, and that particular episode of Dynamite was feeling like it could have been an all time classic.
I am also AEW and I really don't care at all about Nigel. Bryan is going to have to work his ass off to pull of f a somewhat decent match. So there...???
@@nielgregory108 I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said. It'll probably be a great match, Nigel is great and Danielson is Danielson so it will probably be a great match. The issue isn't the quality of the match, it's the really actively terrible setup
I would save bryan v nigel for whenever they return to the u.k..it doesn't nessesarily have to be in a stadium show either, but in terms of vrowd engagement. The u.k would yield the best atmosphere for this match and particularly for nigel..what i mean by that is, nigel is in a predicament where the fan reaction to him and the match in general might not be very great or as good as the match deserves, simply because the lack of knowledge anout their history since its been so long..doing the match in the u.k garentees that the match and nigel specifically get the reactions he n the match itself deserves!! If oasis really plays nigel to the ring than thats ANOTHER huge reason to do it across the pond. (Oasis will probably be fa4 cheaper if they werent made to travel to america) especially for what will be a maybe 5 min performance..to be completely honest i feel like nigel set up that oasis tease simply to do the heel tactic of purposefully misleading the audience into expecting something he knows they eont get lol..noel Gallagher just dosent strike me as a dude with the patience or humility to agree to what amount to a cameo appearance to play a obscure song out of their catalog to a bunch of "wrastlin cunts" like us lol.
How Tommy can do these mental gymnastics to explain the complete lack of logic is astounding. I get it, buddy, you don't want to speak ill of a potential future employer, but damn. Dave has every right to be pissed at this total shitshow. Bryan and Nigel should be a REAL program. With nuance and time put into it. Instead, like all too often, it's just random matches.
I see Bryan's last match being vs Mox. I believe that's why they are rushing the Nigel match. I think Bryan told them a date and thats the date they have to work with.
I can’t lie I haven’t been watching as much so I probably shouldn’t have much of an opinion. However here I am, this doesn’t make sense to me because we just had mox suffocate Bryan to death but now we are trying to build an angle for Bryan and Nigel? It’s too complicated and needs to be more streamlined imo but maybe if I watched the product more consistently it would make more sense to me
problem is, no one besides super super niche hardcore UK wrestling fans are the only people who care to see Nigel McGuiness in the ring in 2024. This isnt a big deal to me like they are trying to make it. I never seen a Nigel McGuiness match
This has been an AEW issue for some time. Even though AEW fans are supposed to be the "smart" fans compared to WWE, it is assumed that even the most loyal AEW fan watches wrestling from all over time and space. This is always evident with Forbidden Door. I consider myself a wrestling fan and watch as much from around the world as possible, but Excalibur screaming someone's name when they show up does not make me verly excited about them. I know AEW wants to have Danielson wrestle as many people as possible before he retires, but this match with Nigel has too much history and fans need to understand the rivalry between these two great technicians.
They just started telling this story. Can we let them tell it before you decide they're telling it wrong. We don't even know for sure if it's going to happen there's a big asterisk next to the match that says * if Danielson is medically cleared*. I think MOX attacks Danielson on the show and the match doesn't happen but maybe gets kicked to WrestleDream Bully did the same thing on after dark where he's already decided they're telling the story wrong before they even start to tell it.
Who took Nigel the opportunity at All In to get the 'Money in the bank' contract via a spear? Christian Cage, most beloved Wrestler of Nigel. Who will cash in instantly as soon as Bryan is not at 100% at Grand Slam? Christian Cage, taking Nigel the opportunity again. I think this will be the real feud, as it can be played at Collision and Bryan can be gone later the way, with or without the title.
I don't know the point Tommy is trying to make. "Is it Bryan Danielson's fault?" Huh?! Hahahaha! Dave is saying AEW should tell the story why this match is important.
Calling it: AEW wanted a bigger house in Tacoma since both Darby AND Bryan are Washington boys! It's as simple as that. I doubt the Nigel match happens with just 2 weeks build, at least in it's pure form. But i'm not Tony Khan, thank god.
But Bryan isn’t losing to and announcer if his career is on the line. Nobody should believe he will win. Every wrestler should request matches with Bryan to be title matches not only for the belt but to be the person who retires him. Which again who will believe it will be an announcer? The only time any fan should expect this to happen is a big ppv and a big popular wrestler who’s going to get hear ala brock bearing taker. This is their flair/hbk/undertaker storyline
His career is not on the line. It’s a non title match. Hes only retiring when he loses the title. So he could technically lose to Nigel. Have to wait and see
Bryan beats Nigel..Mox beats Darbie and then in his final match Mox beats Bryan. Moxs new group is comprised of WWE talent that never got to the top. They're attacking Bryan as he was the one that did. Shane will be involved as the ringleader with some story of he was the booker/agent to all these talent and wanted to push them but never got there.
Moxley told Darby that his match with Danielson is off at Grand Slam because Danielson is hurt... 20 MINUTES LATER, Nigel challenged Danielson to a match at Grand Slam.
Tony Khan starting to book like 2019 Vince McMahon.
You're missing alot of context
@@philo2189What context is there? He's either injured or not ?
@@IixAGxiI the context that Nigel knows he's hurt and is counting on Bryan not showing up so he can forfeit making Nigel the winner. Thus Nigel can say he beat him. All that context was left out
@@philo2189 when was this context introduced? He said nothing of the sort. He challenged Bryan and that was it. A guy that 99% of the people don't even know who he is. It makes no sense.
@@zemm9003 when was this context introduced? Right after Mox said Bryan wasn't gunna be at Grand slam they pan to Nigel asking to speak with tony. He spoke with tony for a match. And in the promo Nigel questions if he will come and commentary doesn't think he will be cleared. He's counting on the fact that Bryan is so hurt he might not be there. This is the problem with people like you. I'm 100 percent positive you didn't watch the show. You didn't watch anything about this. You just saw some anti aew account tweet about it and you're just regurgitating it.
Sounds like a Danielson retirement tour, wrestling those he wants to wrestle before a final goodbye....
@@wayneclarke3152 makes sense!
But they changed the matches. Wheres the authority figure to say No u dont just get to make a match bc u want it even if other particicpant agrees. Also, Box office to who bc only reason Nigel got pop as much as he did was bc of UK. One guy is on last leg and other hasnt had singles match in 15yrs.
Makes sense to me!
Who do you have on a list of people you'd like to see him wrestle should this be a retirement tour?
Damn I wish bully was here
Especially since it's his Podcast.
@@robertcornelius3514it’s Dave’s podcast actually
The number of people that are aware of this is very minimal.
Which is a shame
In regards to this… I am one of those unaware people
Their lost
AEW isn't here for the masses it's here for their sickos according to Khan and some of his wrestlers 👍
Honestly, who cares?
Was anyone complaining about the moment in the 2010 Royal Rumble when Roddy Piper and Superfly Snucka reignited their feud?
This is an audience who knows the Ring of Honor Lore. And even if they don't, you only need to show them a short clip package before the match to let them know "they have history" then the work in the ring will sell the rest.
As a fan who watched ROH and every Bryan/Nigel match, even I will tell you AEW sucks at explaining anything to new viewers. TK watched all the same stuff I did and just seems to assume everyone else did too, and it's beyond stupid. Especially when they have the ROH library and could easily put together a series of video packages to contextualise everything.
See the build is stupid but also they said Darby can’t fight bryan because Bryan is injured but then you have Nigel getting a match against Bryan which is stupider
Perfect summation
I don’t know why they seem to avoid that major logic gap
It makes perfect sense. Nigel said in the promo that he knows Bryan won't make it because he's hurt. He's a heel he's banking on the fact that Bryan won't make it so it can be forfeit and Nigel can say he beat him. It makes perfect sense.
@@philo2189 it’s the way the did it tho because he said Tony khan agreed
@timeto_wrestle These 2 have decads of building up. Maybe if you , bully ray and mr.criticism guy with the glasses and obnoxious attitude, actually followed the stories of either man instead of sucking tribal chief £^^& 4 years and kissing up to Vince and "sports entertainment " you would recognise the best feud in bloody WRESTLING. You people make me sick.
What if people didn't watch ROH. They're being told nothing about why Nigel wanted this match , nothing about their history, nothing about the reason Nigel just started being heel on commentary towards Bryan.
Nigel has been heel towards Danielson since his first day in the company. We can all pretend to be ignorant and naive af but if you even had an inkling to care about why he had so much distain for Danielson after a FULL CALANDER YEAR of commentary hating, and never typed their two names together into youtube's search engine, than that's on you.
It’s pretty easy to see he’s been taking shots at Danielson, and if you researched you’d see why there wrestling, you have internet don’t you? You probably just want to hate this.
@@lostinmyhead07 Whh should I have to go look it up ??
Surely they be the ones showing everyone why ?
Theyre the ones expecting us to buy the ppv.
@@lostinmyhead07it's just a wrestling show..why dont u just tell the audience why nigel hates danielson..why should the audience needs to do research for things that happen a decades ago..doesn't make any sense.
Then they missed out on the best wrestling of all time.
So Tony talks about Bischoff Hot shotting right ? But this is hot shotting at its finest.
There is no justifying the way we got here. Mox said Bryan can't compete and the commentators confirmed it. Even if they didn't. Mox made it clear that he would not allow anyone to have a title shot against Bryan before he does. If Mox doesn't stop Nigel from having his match, then what was the point of telling Darby to give up his match if he's going to let some random dude have the match while he's fighting over a number 1 contenders match. They should've just had Nigel win the number 1 contenders match and have interference from Mox that leads to their title match and the Nigel match later on. They had a good thing going and they flushed it down the drain.
I'm not defending the booking in the slightest. I think it's stupid, rushed and disjointed.
But purely for the record - Nigel vs. Bryan will be non-title. In theory, Bryan is not healthy enough to defend the title, but Nigel talked Tony into just a match.
And no, I don't understand how someone can be too hurt to defend a title, but healthy enough to fight a guy who has held a grudge against him for over a decade.
No disrespect, but I never watched ROH, so Danielson vs. McGinnis doesn't mean shit to me, another flavor of the month match.
What's ROH? seriously
@Fern80-fo1iv Some supposed to stay up at 3 in the morning.
To watch some bingo hall monkey flipping.Get the f*** out my face.
Then you missed a rivalry that I pu up there with Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart, Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steampboat, Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin, Ric Flair vs. Sting, Taz vs. Sabu, Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lyn, John Cena vs. Randy Orton. AEW owns 22 Years of Ring of Honor Footage, they should be showing us promoss and matches between Mcuineess and Danielson from their Video Library. AEW should have this on their You Tube Chaqnnel, Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, Honor Club and Social Media.
@@JuliusC1973 😶
@@Fern80-fo1ivIt is Ring Of Honor wrestling company. Why you are dumb person to ask that question?
Dave is 1000% right about this
Tony’s booking will disappoint.
With absolute certainty.
So what moxley said to darby Allan now means NOTHING a waste of time This is what doesn't make sense
TK is a match maker not a booker.
No. Nigel will probably get beaten up by BCC and Bryan won't appear at grandslam
The best Dave in the wrestling "media"!
That is one of the problems with AEW. They focus on something from the past or these “dream matches” that only cater to a small amount of people.
They focus on it and build upon it.
Ppl all over the world watch aew bro. That's not a small amount of ppl
But a "small amount of people" only watched RoH so Tony assuming that the viewers know about their history ,when they haven't told us the viewer about their history in roh and why Nigel wants this match .
Tony has the all the footage ,he could have a great build for this fued instead of hot shotting it
@@KirsiKastinen
@IixAGxiI well considering they had a sold out show in msg once ppl were watching roh for years. Most probably on streaming services etc but I do agree this match could have been built better. Maybe in the next couple of weeks they'll be promo packages hyping it
@@IixAGxiIit is absurd. People clearly don't care about this match. They couldn't even defend it on the Observer's channel so that tells you how bad it is.
Nigel and Bryan is Greek mythology
But they just ran a betrayal angle with Mox, which overshadows this new story with Nigel. It appears to be quickly thrown together.
Dare I say: “VINTAGE Tony Khan booking!”
Typical AEW. Here’s a shiny awesome match on paper, with absolutely no recent story at alllllllllll. Nigel literally just came back to wrestle in a battle royal and lost. Now he’s fighting Bryan? 🤦♂️ why? Cause of something that happened 20 years ago? No one cares. The mild crowd noise showed it.
The crowd was terrible, and he did not get pinned at the gauntlet match, they’ve been building to this for months , you clearly don’t watch, one if many that take AEWs existence personal
@@lostinmyhead07 ah the good ol AEW excuse blaming their own paying customers 🤦♂️. Building for months? Where? On the internet? Lololololol also I never said he got pinned I said he lost, becuase he did, he lost. And now he’s miraculously fighting Bryan? And they’re excuse for Darby not fighting Bryan was Braun was to hurt, but now he can fight Nigel? AEW makes no sense in a storytelling point of view. They have great talented wrestlers, but that’s it.
@@danielwinters7181the passion to your hate is wild
@@bryanmelendez6403 the ignorance to your speech is wild.
I love it even LaGreca gets pissed, I'm sorry LMAO🤣
LaGreca should write AEW if he cares so much about it
The issue with AEW Booking, and I believe they did this to Swerve (or at least it seemed like they tried to.) They'll do something along the lines of hint at Mox vs Bryan or Darby vs Bryan but next week announce Nigel McGuinness vs Bryan at Grand Slam, well that already tells us Bryan's not losing that match because they've already pretty much established Darby/Mox vs Bryan. They announce their future booked matches WAY too fucking soon to the point that we're not left wondering what happens next because they told us what's happening via context clues. Where's the fucking surprise. AEW's problem with booking is they book an immediate match, exciting 15 years of history but then it gets overshadowed they've already pretty much solidified Darby/Mox vs Bryan.
I never knew this matchup was that big a deal
Your loss
because that era of ROH is what TK watched and made him a wrestling fan. So this is another opportunity for Tony to put his action figures together for another match he's always wanted to see. Never has the phrase: "AEW only needs to please an audience of one: Tony Khan" more appropriate.
Dave is standing on business today 🤣
tommy is just on the hill of defending the bad booking lmao its weird to see him twist everything into a way for it to make sense when its clear the buildup could be better... RAMPAGE AND COLLISION LOLLLL
I'm with you Dave. As a 44 year old fan, who believe this was the greatest rivalry in ROH history. The buildup is BS.
This is like if Wade Barett challanged Roman last year for the belt because they had a feud on NXT 10 years ago. Doesn't pass the smell test for me.
The way everything was explained was definitely puzzling for sure but it does somewhat make sense in that Nigel as a heel is counting on Bryan Danielson not being able to make it to the show so he can take a tainted victory by countout and brag about it nonstop on the mic and on commentary because of his constant pettiness towards him especially if this isn't going to be a one-off. This can at least set up an actual match for later that they can build up to and explain the backstory of with all this footage they have from their matches in Ring of Honor and go into why Bryan got all this success while Nigel went to TNA and despite starting strong ended up doing a whole lot of nothing before being forced to retire early and then becoming a commentator. Hopefully they let Nigel explain why he got this match whereas Darby's scheduled title shot has now been postponed and will now be put up in the match with him and Moxley, that part makes sense for sure but they do need to explain how this one is happening instead although maybe it's a case of Bryan deciding he doesn't wanna fight Darby in his current state and devalue a possible title loss and that he saw what Nigel said and then told Tony to just make the match and he'll try to be there to settle the score.
Rampage is supposedly CANCELLED this Friday this week
Caused it the 13th😂
Good interview yesterday
Are needs to show clips of their old matches next week if the match is actually going to happen on the 26th
For Nigel and his fans, it’s just good to see him actually getting to be an actuall character in AEW beyond the bland confines of commentary, especially considering half of those fans are experiencing his sense of humour for the first time.
‘They’re calling him the neck brace kid…’😆
Hell was starting to get the distinct impression he’s been on commentary for permanent injury reasons since he wasn’t already an active wrestler on the roster? Hell my scrambled brains vaguely remembers wasn’t that how he stopped being an active wrestler as Wolfe in TNA in the first place?🤷♂️
The only thing more offensive than the booking of a two week feud between Danielson and Nigel is Dave’s popcorn ceiling.
Gotta agree with Dave on this one. I'm 34 and have no idea about the McGuiness Danielson feud from roh
Dude it's been a freaking day. Give them some time and see where the story goes. AEW has been cooking with their stories right now and they just need the grace to tell a story
At this point if they don't make it a 4 way Danielson vs Allin vs Mox vs Mc Guiness I don't see a single way they can't pull that "feud" properly.
Tommy said “We have Rampage & Collision”
Yeah right 😂😂😂😂
I really miss when they used to do clips of people that come into the company like new people or a legend they used to put something together to kind of show new people of what they've done in their career they need to bring it back
Looking forward to the match, hoped nige v Bryan would happen one more time-agree though it’s not the right place to book it, should’ve been a ppv with a month or so build -unless it’s a swerve and Mcguiness joins the Mox stable 🤔
The problem with this is the same problem AEW always creates for itself. They assume that everyone watching is already aware of everything that has ever gone on in the wrestling business.
I've heard William Regal put it best. When you're out there, never assume that anyone knows who you are.
Also, if Brian Danielson is cleared to compete, he should be wrestling Darby Allin. The whole point of the Moxley/Darby match is because Brian isn't cleared to compete.
I thought it didnt make any sense, because mox had already said danielson was predisposed. Unless, Mox knew Nigel was gonna challenge Danielson. But it came across like mox was saying bryan wasnt gonna able to wrestle at the event.
Nigel who? 😂
This is Bryan Danielson farewell tour, that's why they having these matches. He ends his run against Mox
Dave, take a breath. Now to answer your question Tony is about booking great matches on paper and does not grasp storytelling. He thinks 'I know all this backstory so everyone else does too' so books in that fashion. Tony is a horrible booker and arguably poor manager. The BEST thing he can do is hire a Tommy, HBK, Corny type of person to take over all booking duties for AEW. Khan shows his inexperience every show and it comes off like a mark owned indy promotion that has a unlimited checkbook. Which really all it is. So While I understand your frustration and I agree there probably is a solid story to be told, take your anger out on Khan as he's the sole person to blame.
Calm down, Sally Jessy 🙄
Looking back at All In. They should have had Swerve vs Page and Nigel vs Bryan
The graphic wrote if Bryan got medically cleared
When passion overlaps rationality
Who really remembers Nigel was a wrestler? Just because I do doesnt make this build make any sense. Also Bryan was attacked so viciously by Moxley that Yuta was over in the corner crying and Bryan didnt miss a week of TV so how effective was the breakup of the BCC?
The one thing that was finally mentioned is that Nigel was Desmond Wolf. Desmond came on like gangbusters and, quite frankly, a dominant wrestler who was truly feared. Better than most at WWF. A match between him and Bret Hart as far as I remember never happened, but wow, imagine. I actually thought he was injured as if I remember correctly he was trailing off a bit before he disappeared. That's the name I remember him by. That name should have been part briefly of the promotion for those like myself who were not so experienced with ROH. QUESTION is, is there real animosity towards Bryan? If not, then after the match, if the story has Bryan being attacked by loud mouth, Mox having Nigel come back and team with Bryan would be a great way to finish that storyline. I suppose wheeler is in for a beat down but Bryan needs a little more beef besides Nigel to beat down Mox who deserves it. And a new tough female star to take care of the rag AEW is allowing to put her hands on men. Either way both sides have points. A few more weeks would have helped.
Hard work headphones to listen to Dave yell like fucking JDfromNY
With*
I'm just gonna boil it down to we are on borrowed time with Bryan so we gotta do it now or never cause there are more important stories to tell with Bryan to benefit AEW TV rather than spending too much time with Nigel who is just gonna go back to commentary after this match.
Grand Slam only has 3500 tickets out. I wish they could sell out, but it's not going to be close.
last update was 7days ago, and they opened more seats to 5728, and 4411 distributed so far, you're looking at the the update from a month ago.
4,400+ is STILL shit attendance for Arthur Ashe Stadium 🏟, hell even compared to their attendance from 3 years ago with 20,000+.
Dave chill. There's still time. Nigel just announced it last night.
hope to see you there david, im defentaly there just like the other 3x times 😁
It’s sad u have to apologize and give a whole essay just to criticize AEW. U did nothing wrong this booking is stupid and makes no sense. How they got there is ridiculous and should be called out. AEW is only promotion where u can’t criticize or u are called hater it’s bs.
I think the problem is with the criticism comes hateful rhetoric. People aren’t willing to take criticism when there is hate meshed in with it. So unfortunately it’ll never make sense, but at some point you can’t block out how loud the criticism is becoming. I want aew to succeed because without aew where does that bloated talent pool go? Along with having more than one option of a major wrestling promotion to participate in
@@scrambledlegs423 Quit being an aew shill, the delusions of a man child and his loser sycophant's shouldnt make something immune to criticism
Agree with Dave. I never watched ROH because it wasn’t on anywhere I could watch it. It was all word of mouth.
Not only are they doing a disservice to this match but they could’ve also used it as a vehicle to re introduce and rebrand ROH. Get eyes on that product
Dave, you brought back some great memories when you mentioned Inman sports arena in edison. I also was at the final countdown show at hammerstein for their last match so like you, I have to go to this aew show BUT this build or lack of is complete SHIT. Especially since the match right now should be vs Mox. How can Brian even give a SHIT about Nigel after the BBC attack at all out. It logically doesn't work. Regardless, Bryan vs Nigel is the drawing me in only because of my memories of ROH.
Loyal Wrestling fans over age 50, "I miss real live Wrestling on TV."
Younger Wrestling fans, "I really enjoy today's A.I. Wrestling matches."
Preach Dave!!!
Dave spitting facts
Only way this can be fixed is if Danielson doesnt show at Grand Slam and instead Yuta steps in.
I was at so many roh shows in that era in the ny/NJ area. Amazing to see this happening again. I'm only still into wrestling as an adult because of that era.
Edit - daves point seems pretty undeniable. Didn't realize this was happening so soon. I already know Tommy's response is gonna be frustrating lmao... I feel like Tommy is incredibly disingenuous with his answers.
When the conversation gets deep into AEW I change the channel. Otherwise Busted Open is fantastic
I don't think that match is happening next week. It makes no sense. They're saying he's not healthy enough to defend his title, but he can face Nige? I think we get this at WrestleDream. Nige will come out, and Bryans music will hit, and he won't come out, and Nige will cut a promo about how he's a coward.
Love how upset LaGreca is about this 🤣
I used to get just as angry watching all the schizophrenic booking and missed opportunities in AEW, but have finally given up on expecting anything more. Now I just watch the PPVs for 2-3 matches that interest me, and I’m set 👍🏻
PS: He’s right. ‘Rampage’ and ‘Collision’ are essentially meaningless. Yet we still get so many ‘Dynamites’ full of garbage involving the Bucks, Perry, Jericho, Cassidy, nonsensical booking, among sooo many other things.
It’s REALLY so simple DAVE… Bryan Danielson is literally retiring after this run so they are craming it all together to make sure Daniel gets all the great matches before he retires. And it’s AEW they always make random matches and can’t tell story’s like WWE
Damn they messed it up by putting it out like that they should had spun it differently that was the issue Mox should had never said that BD can’t defend that title that night for Nigel to come on 20min later and say he just got his match with the champion BD! It was the setup that they messed it up! They need to tell us the story asap! Because the build certainly sucks I agree Dave fully! I want to know why Nigel can’t stand BD! I want to know how BD took Nigel spot in WWE and why Nigel had to settle for a stinking career in TNA that the only think good about it was his feud with perc angle! AEW needs to build the story of these 2 guys!
Aew should have at least main event STARS, right now its MJF and thats hurting now with trying to build garcia, Swerve but thats hurting cause he doesn't have a clear face heel situation and their booking of his title run was insulting, darby and mox.both positioned well currently for it if they can not screw it up, hangman has been better but doesnt feel like a main event talent, sami and ricochet had a great match but still feels a tier under main event, and honestly no one else is there or been built.. aew has no main event scene
Tony Khan doesn’t know how to build stars.
There are certain guys who get over due to their abilities, and Tony finds a way to make them mean so much less.
It’s fascinating.
Does anyone else turn this off when it is Tommy and not Bully. Tommy Dreamer's opinions are terrible.
I would love to see Nigel as the mastermind behind Moxleys turn on Danielson.
Would have been epic if Nigel could live promo like he does when he's on commentary but he can't,going on last night anyway.
I knew of Desmond wolf in tna n I knew of Daniel Bryan in wwe but never knew of this clash.
Smh, that is sad
7:48 😂😂😂😂 loved it
I REALLY need AEW to stop kicking the ball into their own goal over and over again.
I love the idea of Danielson vs Nigel, that was one of THE defining feuds of ROH right up there with Joe and Punk. BUT this specific setup makes no goddamn sense.
And the worst thing about it is it is the easiest thing in the world to come up with a dozen different ways they could have done this better without absolutely cutting the legs out from under the Moxley storyline for no good reason whatsoever. Like damn man, if you wanted this to happen, you should have had Nigel win the match at Wembley, then have him go into the ring like he did this week and say "I can cash this in any time? Well I'm calling my shot, I want my title shot to happen before Darby's shot, then he can face me at a later date, after I beat Bryan Danielson. Whenever Danielson recovers, I want first dibs."
As it stands now, it has the classic AEW problem that theres no central organization, nobody is talking to anybody or planning anything out with each other, and theres no boss to say "no, you can't do that."
And the thing that makes it particularly frustrating is up to before the Nigel promo, it was easily one of the most intriguing storylines they've ever done, and that particular episode of Dynamite was feeling like it could have been an all time classic.
I am also AEW and I really don't care at all about Nigel. Bryan is going to have to work his ass off to pull of f a somewhat decent match. So there...???
@@nielgregory108 I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said.
It'll probably be a great match, Nigel is great and Danielson is Danielson so it will probably be a great match.
The issue isn't the quality of the match, it's the really actively terrible setup
I would save bryan v nigel for whenever they return to the u.k..it doesn't nessesarily have to be in a stadium show either, but in terms of vrowd engagement. The u.k would yield the best atmosphere for this match and particularly for nigel..what i mean by that is, nigel is in a predicament where the fan reaction to him and the match in general might not be very great or as good as the match deserves, simply because the lack of knowledge anout their history since its been so long..doing the match in the u.k garentees that the match and nigel specifically get the reactions he n the match itself deserves!! If oasis really plays nigel to the ring than thats ANOTHER huge reason to do it across the pond. (Oasis will probably be fa4 cheaper if they werent made to travel to america) especially for what will be a maybe 5 min performance..to be completely honest i feel like nigel set up that oasis tease simply to do the heel tactic of purposefully misleading the audience into expecting something he knows they eont get lol..noel Gallagher just dosent strike me as a dude with the patience or humility to agree to what amount to a cameo appearance to play a obscure song out of their catalog to a bunch of "wrastlin cunts" like us lol.
Breath Dave, deep breaths. Lol
Also, more people are buying tickets to see Darby more than Nigel.
How Tommy can do these mental gymnastics to explain the complete lack of logic is astounding. I get it, buddy, you don't want to speak ill of a potential future employer, but damn. Dave has every right to be pissed at this total shitshow. Bryan and Nigel should be a REAL program. With nuance and time put into it. Instead, like all too often, it's just random matches.
They can just have everyone go watch Nigel's WWE Documentary so they can get caught up lol
Sure aew will promote a wwe project...
I see Bryan's last match being vs Mox. I believe that's why they are rushing the Nigel match. I think Bryan told them a date and thats the date they have to work with.
I can’t lie I haven’t been watching as much so I probably shouldn’t have much of an opinion. However here I am, this doesn’t make sense to me because we just had mox suffocate Bryan to death but now we are trying to build an angle for Bryan and Nigel? It’s too complicated and needs to be more streamlined imo but maybe if I watched the product more consistently it would make more sense to me
problem is, no one besides super super niche hardcore UK wrestling fans are the only people who care to see Nigel McGuiness in the ring in 2024. This isnt a big deal to me like they are trying to make it. I never seen a Nigel McGuiness match
This has been an AEW issue for some time. Even though AEW fans are supposed to be the "smart" fans compared to WWE, it is assumed that even the most loyal AEW fan watches wrestling from all over time and space. This is always evident with Forbidden Door. I consider myself a wrestling fan and watch as much from around the world as possible, but Excalibur screaming someone's name when they show up does not make me verly excited about them.
I know AEW wants to have Danielson wrestle as many people as possible before he retires, but this match with Nigel has too much history and fans need to understand the rivalry between these two great technicians.
Dave is having a meltdown... The passion he shows is infectious.
Violetta doesn’t care about the 🐐Goat Danielson either does I. That’s why Violetta and I are going to movies that night of the fight
Calm down a bit Dave you're gonna give yourself a heart attack 😂
They just started telling this story. Can we let them tell it before you decide they're telling it wrong. We don't even know for sure if it's going to happen there's a big asterisk next to the match that says
* if Danielson is medically cleared*.
I think MOX attacks Danielson on the show and the match doesn't happen but maybe gets kicked to WrestleDream
Bully did the same thing on after dark where he's already decided they're telling the story wrong before they even start to tell it.
Who took Nigel the opportunity at All In to get the 'Money in the bank' contract via a spear? Christian Cage, most beloved Wrestler of Nigel. Who will cash in instantly as soon as Bryan is not at 100% at Grand Slam? Christian Cage, taking Nigel the opportunity again. I think this will be the real feud, as it can be played at Collision and Bryan can be gone later the way, with or without the title.
Dave was preaching. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit 🤣
Daves correct
aew is poopy
I like to see Daniel Bryan vs Daby Allen
I remember Nigel being a bad ass in TNA
I don't know the point Tommy is trying to make. "Is it Bryan Danielson's fault?" Huh?! Hahahaha! Dave is saying AEW should tell the story why this match is important.
Calling it: AEW wanted a bigger house in Tacoma since both Darby AND Bryan are Washington boys! It's as simple as that. I doubt the Nigel match happens with just 2 weeks build, at least in it's pure form. But i'm not Tony Khan, thank god.
This match isn’t for new fans. It’s for Bryan and Nigel and their fans accept it. It was inevitable
Nigel becomes leader of the BCC
Nigel was on a match to determine who was the next contender, and he lost. There is no sense.
But Bryan isn’t losing to and announcer if his career is on the line. Nobody should believe he will win. Every wrestler should request matches with Bryan to be title matches not only for the belt but to be the person who retires him. Which again who will believe it will be an announcer? The only time any fan should expect this to happen is a big ppv and a big popular wrestler who’s going to get hear ala brock bearing taker. This is their flair/hbk/undertaker storyline
His career is not on the line. It’s a non title match. Hes only retiring when he loses the title. So he could technically lose to Nigel. Have to wait and see
Bryan beats Nigel..Mox beats Darbie and then in his final match Mox beats Bryan. Moxs new group is comprised of WWE talent that never got to the top. They're attacking Bryan as he was the one that did. Shane will be involved as the ringleader with some story of he was the booker/agent to all these talent and wanted to push them but never got there.
I never understand....What's the rush