Basically it gives us a more representative picture of the actual driver standings without having to provide so much context to why a certain driver is so low down
For anyone interested, these would be the drivers champions if F1 used this points system for every season. The ones in bold are the seasons where the champion was different than in real life. 1950. Guiseppe Farina 1951. Juan Manuel Fangio 1952. Alberto Ascari 1953. Alberto Ascari 1954. Juan Manuel Fangio 1955. Juan Manuel Fangio 1956. *Jean Behra* 1957. Juan Manuel Fangio 1958. Mike Hawthorn 1959. Jack Brabham 1960. Jack Brabham 1961. Phil Hill 1962. Graham Hill 1963. Jim Clark 1964. *Graham Hill* 1965. *Graham Hill* 1966. Jack Brabham 1967. Denny Hulme 1968. Graham Hill 1969. Jackie Stewart 1970. *Jacky Ickx* 1971. Jackie Stewart 1972. Emerson Fittipaldi 1973. Jackie Stewart 1974. Emerson Fittipaldi 1975. Niki Lauda 1976. *Niki Lauda* 1977. Niki Lauda 1978. Mario Andretti 1979. Jody Scheckter 1980. Alan Jones 1981. *Carlos Reutemann* 1982. Keke Rosberg 1983. *Alain Prost* 1984. Niki Lauda 1985. Alain Prost 1986. Alain Prost 1987. Nelson Piquet 1988. *Alain Prost* 1989. Alain Prost 1990. Ayrton Senna (By only 1 point over Prost) 1991. Ayrton Senna 1992. Nigel Mansell 1993. Alain Prost 1994. *Damon Hill* 1995. Michael Schumacher 1996. Damon Hill 1997. *Michael Schumacher* (Assuming he isn't disqualified) 1998. Mika Häkkinen 1999. *Eddie Irvine* 2000. Michael Schumacher 2001. Michael Schumacher 2002. Michael Schumacher 2003. Michael Schumacher 2004. Michael Schumacher 2005. Fernando Alonso 2006. Fernando Alonso 2007. *Lewis Hamilton* 2008. Lewis Hamilton 2009. Jenson Button 2010. *Fernando Alonso* 2011. Sebastian Vettel 2012. Sebastian Vettel 2013. Sebastian Vettel 2014. Lewis Hamilton 2015. Lewis Hamilton 2016. Nico Rosberg 2017. Lewis Hamilton 2018. Lewis Hamilton 2019. Lewis Hamilton 2020. Lewis Hamilton 2021. Max Verstappen (By only 4 Points) 2022. Max Verstappen 2023. Max Verstappen Repeat winners using this system are Lewis Hamilton 8 (+1) Michael Schumacher 7 Alain Prost 6 (+2) Niki Lauda 4 (+1) Juan Manuel Fangio 4 (-1) Graham Hill 4 (+2) Max Verstappen 3 Sebastian Vettel 3 (-1) Fernando Alonso 3 (+1) Jackie Stewart 3 Jack Brabham 3 Ayrton Senna 2 (-1) Damon Hill 2 (+1) Emerson Fittipaldi 2 Alberto Ascari 2
problem is, this system clearly favors reliability over everything else. for example, raikkonen was clearly the best driver of 2007 in a slower car and won it, yet here, due to mechanical issues that ferrari had but mclaren didn't, hamilton wins. similarly, clark gets shafted in 1965, although in a better, but still less reliable car
The big thing I noticed here is that in F1's point standings, as it's only for p1-10 it means that the gap between midfield teams is much more distanced. Aston have been a the 5th best team for most races this year, causing RB and Haas to be fighting for 1 to 2 points for most of the year, and allowing Aston to have double the points vs RB and even more for Haas. However using the Indycar points system, those 2 teams are still well within range of Aston in the constructors, which puts more pressure on Aston to keep performing. So although it might not change much up front, it makes a massive impact on the midfield.
It makes sense that it effects the bottom 5 teams more, because the top 5 are already getting proportionally rewarded for every performance they put in.
I think a point system that is more representative of the results of all the teams gives only benefits. It will drive the lower scoring teams to try as hard as possible as now the minor position gains will actually be represented such as in the top 10. Also it will bring the gap between them and the top 4 teams down
@@TommoMcCluskeythe con is obvious though, the reason indycar has so many safety cars is because the back of the field is fighting so hard for p17 which leads to risky overtake attempts.
I really think something like this needs to be applied, it's crazy to think that a driver finishing 11th every race will be below a driver that finished 20th every race except one where he finished 10th.
I like the IndyCar system because it rewards consistency where as a top team can have a driver finish out of the top 10 and still be fine (looking at you Perez)
In Logan Sargeant's defense, his steering wheel failed in the season opener, got his car taken and all of it's parts for the first eight-ish races. This scoring system is not nice to his situation.
That's fair point. I don't really know how any points system could fully reflect driver misfortune. Bottas lost his top 10 finish in China through a breakdown too for example. Even in this system, he's still bang on the same points as Zhou. Madness.
@@TommoMcCluskey Great Video, btw. The F1 vs. Indycar debate will be great the next few years; both series are stacked with talent. Had to defend my fellow American, he's a rough go this season.
@@TommoMcCluskey that's because the current system encourage backmarker teams to gamble on strategies, Valtteri always try kinky strategies when he's close to top10 and then cause him to end up in 17 or 18 (same with Zhou tbh, he got screwed less because he usually further down the grid, but Zhou is almost always the first guy to try an undercut)
I was really surprised everyone voted against a change, with the top 8 locked in in every normal race, that leaves 12 drivers fighting over just 3 points and the occasional fastest lap if stars align.
Apparently the original reason for bringing it up in the meeting was concern that the top 5 or 6 teams will get every point and leave nothing for the backmarkers to get. However, by now every team except Sauber has at least some points, so there's no longer a pressing need to avoid a string of 0s. Which is kinda lame because the more consistency and reliability is encouraged, the more likely a bunch of 0 point teams will occur.
Great stuff! I was disappointed that the Top 12 points system was denied. The difference in constructors money between P6 and P10 is huge for those teams, and it would have been more fair in determining the "real" running order. Plus, as you said, it leads to more competitive racing on track.
Cheers Nathan! Yeah I think they've missed a bit of a trick imo. Hard to get gassed by a wheel to wheel battle for P18 when you know it's not actually for anything.
We need this, just feel so much more representative. Also, hate the ''then points doesn't feel special'' argument. Points are literally just a scoring system, and are not meant to feel special.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
I really like the idea of awarding points all the way down the field (including p.20 doesn't really matter). I think it gives an incentive for drivers/teams to race for every position. Would be much fewer people retiring to save a power unit
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DOGET THE POSITIONS and those DOES make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@TommoMcCluskey In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@RedlingsteinOf course they race, but I doubt they care if they finish the season in 18th on 0 points or 19th on 0 points. Look at other championships where they give points all the way down the field, Aussie Supercars they come in and repair the car so they can get it back out on track, they might be four laps down but they're classified as a finisher and they get points, as soon as there's a loose wheelnut in F1 they retire the car. Or even worse they're in 14th and they retire to prevent getting a penalty at the next race just in case something breaks in the engine.
As an exercise I calculated the point standings up to the mid season break using the MotoGP system. 1 Ver. 260 2 Nor. 210 3 Pia. 184 4 Lec. 170 5 Ham 167 6 Sai. 163 7 Per. 143 8 Rus. 130 9 Alo. 92 10 Hul. 67 11 Str. 61 12 Tsu 58 13 Ric 44 14=Alb 40 14=Oco 40 16 Gas 39 17 Mag 31 18 Zho 15 19 Bot 12 20 Bea 9 21 Sar 8 The interesting stuff is down the bottom. Zhou ahead of Bottas and the scrap between Ricciardo, Albon, Ocon and Gasly.
Actually, I forgot to mention the constructors championship. With the motogp points system McLaren are just behind RedBull. 403 to 394 and if they didn't stuff up on strategy (mainly Oscar's) they would be leading
Personally, I don't mind if they give points all the way to 20th, but I think there needs some "penalties" for not finishing. By that, I mean no points for those that DNF. Only those that finish the race can get points. I personally like that approach a lot more. That way, you won't get drivers retiring the car just cause their race didn't go to plan as you would forfeit potential points for doing that.
Indycar is like a window into the past of F1, with a much higher chance of mechanics or fans being hit by the pieces of the car flying off of the track after every crash. It's hard to resist watching the Indycar highlights when you there's so much crazy sh*t happening in most races... but it also still scares me every time it happens.
I wonder why f1 youtubers rarely talk about F1, are brits really not a big fan of murican single seaters? or are f1 fans just f1 fans and not motorsport fans ?
@@evandrochaves9596Well, if you’re an F1 TH-camr thank you make content about F1, not Indycar 😂 those „F1 is better“ / „Indycar is better“ fans are joke ofc. I think for most non-diehard fans it’s really just another racing series, so they’re somewhat neutral. Most F1 fans don’t watch the ladder series F2/F3 either. Plus if you’re from Europe it can be hard to watch due to the time difference. That’s why I stick to highlights.
I like most systems where points are awarded all the way down. The Indycar system works well, as shown in this video. I think the F1 minnows would fight a lot harder amongst each other at the back of the field if they knew precious points were on the line and the racing would be exciting all the way down the order. I am not a fan of sprint races though...I wish those would be dusted and gone soon.
Nice job, I like these kind of data analysing videos! ☺️ A small correction, the gap between Piastri and Leclerc is 15 points in the Indycar system, not 25 (= Have a nice day! ☺️
Would sure make Monaco a helluva lot more interesting to see guys fighting for points at the back. Wait. No, never mind, it would still be a procession. Damn.
this point system would also discourage the Williams ‘ethos’ of last years car. You would need to a create a consistent car rather than one with big peaks and troughs. Interesting to see what it would’ve done to last years standings
Totally agree with indycar here. Wouldn’t even mind compromising points down to 15th. Its objectively better, imagine a sport putting so much weight on pure luck when it comes to those last places in the constructors
this really demostrates what you said in the sianz/williams video about the current points system favoring cars with peaks and valleys over cars that are consisently mid
F1 definitely needs an updated points system. There's too much money involved to not let the B class fight for more than a sparse point or two when the A class guys DNF or screw up badly. As far as the pink, yeah I could do without it too. Its a little too drab
Great video! I really liked the proposal for awarding points up to 12th place, but I also appreciate when it's more challenging to earn points. Luck is an integral part of racing and many other sports, whether it's due to safety cars, rain, mechanical failures, or a fortunate goal in football, where a team then defends with 11 players in the box - the equivalent of gaining track position because of being held up in the pits by other cars. Luck shouldn't be eliminated from the sport. At the end of the day, Sauber has a shit car, and that's accurately reflected in their results and, consequently, in the points. Magnussen took big risks and penalties to defend and help Hulkenberg score points.
This is great! The Indycar points system is much better. With one glance, you can now compare teammates more easily. This was something I started doing at the beginning of the season just for this purpose, but I didn't keep it up during the season. It would be great if you could post the Indycar point system standings of the F1 drivers after each race or at least at the end of the season as well. Excellent video. Thank you - it is a lot of work.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
Like it much better, but maybe would add 0 points for *technical* DNFs, at least for the constructors. I don't know why, but I always felt how much of a race you raced should be part of the equation, but I realise that it might be unfair to the drivers if crashed into or the technical DNF not due to constantly overdriving the machinery and just poor luck.
awesome video Tommo! I really think F1 could benefit from the expansion of points giving. It's so much more representative, and gives you more positions to care about as a fan
i've watched three of your videos today because they popped up in my recommended and I have to say your little line " LETS TALK ABOUT IT " is going to be iconic I already say it with you when you say it in the video 🤣🤣
I love when you experiment with the points systems like this. I made a version where you score through the normal f1 system, but it is applied to the race, quali and the fastest laps. Still Max and Red Bull leading but could change
While it was briefly mentioned, I feel like the enjoyment it would bring to watching races alone is good enough reason to revamp the points down to somewhere between p14-p16 at least. It feels like the "boring" races could be a lot more enjoyable if the teams at the back had more to fight for. It is a shame that in races where the top 7/8 stay the same we tend to see crowd shots or the occasional replay of an overtake further back, rather than seeing an Alpine and a Haas competing for a p12/13 the same way an Aston might fight for p8 in the current structure. In addition it could possibly help from a financial standpoint. Rewarding consistency further down the order means teams like Williams can "settle" with p11 and the points that brings in, rather than pushing their driver for a p10 because they calculate an overtake to be likely enough, resulting in a crash and a chunk of the teams money being spent on rebuilding the car while also losing out on a points finish. Of course, there still needs to be enough of an insentiv to take risks, but if the risk of crashes is lowered sufficiently by extending the points positions that alone would also be good enough of a reason to do so.
I’ve been thinking it would be more realistic to grade drivers based on qualifying points 1-20 as well as race points 1-20. I just never wanted to do all the work for every race to figure it out but it definitely would be a more realistic rating for back of the grid drivers
Good to see an F1 superfan looking to other types of motorsport for good ideas. 2 good ideas from IndyCar: automatic grid penalty for causing a red flag in qualifying. And no yellow flags, only red, in the last few laps of a race
Can't speak to one or the other being "better", though I have my preferences. But I also think F1 SHOULD be different. They do bill themselves as the top level of all motorsport, I think the exclusivity of the points system reflects F1's view of itself. Personally I'm used to MotoGP which has been the same since 1993! Top 15 score points, and the gap between a win and 2nd is only 5 points. You get a "feel" for what a large points gap is. With Indy the points totals are so high and different, it's hard to get a grasp on what any of it tells you.
3 videos back to back from Tommo 🤯😬 10:15 would like more to see that 12 positions - points system in action and maybe a 15 positions - points too but not a "points to all cars 😅
I do wish f1 allocated points down to the lower finishing drivers. Often times drivers in slow cars deliver good performances but don't get rewarded for them. What if this happens, Sauber finishes p11 and p12 and the cars in front are all better cars (Mercs, RB's, McLarens, Astons, and the Ferrari's). I feel like they should be rewarded for that, but that's just me.
Probably unpopular opinion but, I believe a system like this was needed back when we had 24 car fields with manor, caterham, and hrt. When more cars are competing out of the points than in, it setup them all up for failure and ill-representative when compared to each other over a season. The current F1 system works for 20 cars. But 22 or 18 would require a top 11 or top 9 points distribution for it to hit the same. Indycar’s true point system where even last gets points just for starting would be more consistent from year to year, and over the decades.
Great vid Tommo, raises some good points!🙌 I don't know if points all the way down the grid is necessary tbh. With 20 cars on the grid I would personally keep it as is, in a (currently) unlikely situation where there would be 22 cars on the grid, then I would suggest the Top 12 scoring points would make a lot of sense. 👍
My idea for the points is to separate the points for drivers and constructors. Keep the same system as now for the drivers, but change the constructors points to this system. I want the drivers championship to be tricky, and having half the grid score and half not I think is a good balance, but for the constructors I want a more representative order of actual performance for the bottom half of the grid to account for a bit more than it currently does.
@@duncachinoahimiha3889 Yeah it does feel like it would have problems, I just feel constructors should have a better reflection of finishing positions/performance, where as drivers points I still want to have the level of, prestige? (or a better word), so I guess to reflect both you'd need two differing points systems. I think an ideal points system would allow 75% of drivers to score per race, with DNF's being automatic 0's (could either be like current system, or just a blanket DNF = 0 regardless of number of laps completed). In this system, drivers and constructors would still be scored as they are now, just with more positions scoring points.
This is SO MUCH better. Today's scoring says that from P11 to the back you don't matter. This is wrong. The midfield teams have their fight too, they should be rewarded for getting ahead of the other midfielders.
We need sprints to be reverse grid in points standing. You can then add an FP2. This lets the young drivers who never get a chance to race up front, battle for some real points.
Basically, the extremes are: a) reward top performances or b) reward consistency. With F1 being a non-spec series where teams can develop (with limits) their car (take McLaren last year and this year), rewarding consistency hurts teams who are strong developers. So when a team starts on a back foot then there is very little incentive for them to develop the car. F1 is trying to balance those extremes.
Hi Tommo, Love the concept. But why not just straight points. 20 for first down to one for 20th. Pole gets points, fastest lap gets points. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Thank you.
@@josemanoel6208 Sometimes it IS almost nothing. 6 tenths between Lewis and Oscar at Spa '24 after an hour and a half on track. But straight points does not work as one bad result that was not even drivers fault can take driver/team out of championship.
The indycar system makes a lot more sense than I thought it would. Definitely gives a more accurate picture of the results and gives the lower teams more of an incentive to fight for every position. F1 will never enact it though because the top teams will lose prize money and we could NEVER let that happen
In any sport the question about points or medals or trophies awarded comes down to the question of what do you want to know at the end of the season. For Formula 1 there are two things mainly to be known. 1) who is the best driver 2) who is the best constructor. It seems whatever points or awards system you use based on the technical and sporting rules does this. However, there is another consideration for the top series is professional sports and that is financial. F1 awards prize money based on constructors finishing position and so the indicar system would seem to do that better. A second point on the financial side is can you generate more interest and therefore create more value for the sponsorship and then leverage that. For the middle order this looks interesting for the conclusion on how it would change the current season standings. I was surprised it didn't have more impact. I think greater punishment for going beyond the allocation of engines and parts might be needed. Perhaps your points for the race finish would be halved as well as grid penalties?
@tommo how about looking at a tour de France type system next? The driver with the least time over the season wins the title. Additional trophies for king of the streets and tyre whisperer (least amount of tyres used).
Hands down, one of your best videos to date. I think you make a wonderful case for at least some form of alteration to the F1 points system being a positive thing for the sport. I think a cool vid idea would be a Tommo as the race engineer of a past race (regardless of season) and show what you would have done in the heat of the moment. Would be a nifty thought experiment.
I think, not giving points to all drivers is fine. The current DTM system may be a nice change. It awards points to the top 15 starting from 25 points and decreasing like the super formula points system.
I used to reject giving it a chance. But now actually seeing this broken down, I quite like it and I think could be a good move. Unfortunately cars who are P12-P20 at some stage more or less almost give up when points seem unlikely, this would give everyone more incentive to keep pushing to the end, not just those guys but everyone in the race.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
I personally like the system of 50% of the driver lineup getting points, it makes teams take risks, fail or succeed. I dont think the current system is perfect, but i like the idea of 50% of drivers getting points
immediately thought of Mr. V’s video on this when I saw the title but it’s been a short while since I watched that so I couldn’t remember my thoughts; I wasn’t on board at all until I saw Red Bull in P3 for constructors 😂 it has its pros and cons for sure as a points system. giving out the fastest lap point in qualifying makes no sense to me so I’d rather that still be in the race but I don’t think it should matter what position you finish in like it does with the current points system. I don’t like seeing my Ferrari boys down a spot each in the drivers championship but I do think it’s more representative for the lower half of the grid. this isn’t the exact points distribution that I’d like to see in F1 but overall I do think it’s better than what we currently have. I think I’d like to see points down to P15 for the main race and P10 for sprints - if you’re going to give points further down for the main race then I think it’s only fair that the sprint race does as well.
That looks like a much better system for F1 scoring. It rewards consistency but that hurts drivers who get taken out by someone else’s mistake or potentially over the top aggression. Would it even incentivise intentionally taking out an opponent?
I feel like this could make drivers/teams at the front not race as hard because dnfing would not be worth the risk for the % of more points gained. In return the teams at the back would race more
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!! The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19! The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!! You are so wrong with your assumption!!
To be honest, I feel like this whole argument about the points system, is so that we can save our breath in correcting someone who takes these points and championship standings at face value and proclaims, say in 2019, George Russell is rubbish because he didn't score any points. Those kind of takes are extremely annoying, but I don't think its worth changing the points system for those people.
It might just be the inflated scores, but DNFs feel more punitive in this system, especially if it's an early DNF. Also, I'm thinking you might see more safety cars and red flags later in races. Not just between backmarkers jockeying for position, but teams would be incentivized to keep a compromised car in the race to at least get a few more points.
Im not a fan of overly complicated points systems. I do think increasing and extending the current points is a good idea. Points to P15 would create more competition between teams and motivate the ones who currently almost never see points. Also 1 point for P10 is ridiculous -change the distribution. Lastly reward multiple race winners (every 3 wins =15pt bonus). This would improve the championship battle.
I'm surprised that Zhou was on the same point as Bottas, I would have thought Bottas would have way more points than Zhou. While qualifying P20 all the time is still really bad, maybe it is mostly about the car and Zhou wasn't completely garbage.
I think Moto GP point system would be enough. You still need to pass 5 cars for scoring point(s), but you will fight even for 16-17th, because everything can happen.
Basically it gives us a more representative picture of the actual driver standings without having to provide so much context to why a certain driver is so low down
Essentially.
Not really it had Perez P2 after 7 races which was clear even then that that wasn't the case
@@dawoodwaseem4819 Perez finished on the podium more times than off it in the first 7 races, of course 2nd at the time was fair.
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For anyone interested, these would be the drivers champions if F1 used this points system for every season.
The ones in bold are the seasons where the champion was different than in real life.
1950. Guiseppe Farina
1951. Juan Manuel Fangio
1952. Alberto Ascari
1953. Alberto Ascari
1954. Juan Manuel Fangio
1955. Juan Manuel Fangio
1956. *Jean Behra*
1957. Juan Manuel Fangio
1958. Mike Hawthorn
1959. Jack Brabham
1960. Jack Brabham
1961. Phil Hill
1962. Graham Hill
1963. Jim Clark
1964. *Graham Hill*
1965. *Graham Hill*
1966. Jack Brabham
1967. Denny Hulme
1968. Graham Hill
1969. Jackie Stewart
1970. *Jacky Ickx*
1971. Jackie Stewart
1972. Emerson Fittipaldi
1973. Jackie Stewart
1974. Emerson Fittipaldi
1975. Niki Lauda
1976. *Niki Lauda*
1977. Niki Lauda
1978. Mario Andretti
1979. Jody Scheckter
1980. Alan Jones
1981. *Carlos Reutemann*
1982. Keke Rosberg
1983. *Alain Prost*
1984. Niki Lauda
1985. Alain Prost
1986. Alain Prost
1987. Nelson Piquet
1988. *Alain Prost*
1989. Alain Prost
1990. Ayrton Senna (By only 1 point over Prost)
1991. Ayrton Senna
1992. Nigel Mansell
1993. Alain Prost
1994. *Damon Hill*
1995. Michael Schumacher
1996. Damon Hill
1997. *Michael Schumacher* (Assuming he isn't disqualified)
1998. Mika Häkkinen
1999. *Eddie Irvine*
2000. Michael Schumacher
2001. Michael Schumacher
2002. Michael Schumacher
2003. Michael Schumacher
2004. Michael Schumacher
2005. Fernando Alonso
2006. Fernando Alonso
2007. *Lewis Hamilton*
2008. Lewis Hamilton
2009. Jenson Button
2010. *Fernando Alonso*
2011. Sebastian Vettel
2012. Sebastian Vettel
2013. Sebastian Vettel
2014. Lewis Hamilton
2015. Lewis Hamilton
2016. Nico Rosberg
2017. Lewis Hamilton
2018. Lewis Hamilton
2019. Lewis Hamilton
2020. Lewis Hamilton
2021. Max Verstappen (By only 4 Points)
2022. Max Verstappen
2023. Max Verstappen
Repeat winners using this system are
Lewis Hamilton 8 (+1)
Michael Schumacher 7
Alain Prost 6 (+2)
Niki Lauda 4 (+1)
Juan Manuel Fangio 4 (-1)
Graham Hill 4 (+2)
Max Verstappen 3
Sebastian Vettel 3 (-1)
Fernando Alonso 3 (+1)
Jackie Stewart 3
Jack Brabham 3
Ayrton Senna 2 (-1)
Damon Hill 2 (+1)
Emerson Fittipaldi 2
Alberto Ascari 2
CRIKEY 🔥
As usual Prost benefits massively from the points system being anything but the system F1 used in th 80s
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Eddie Irvine having more WDC's than Jim Clark? Damon Hill more WDC's than Mika? No Michaeeeeel, that is so not right. 😋
problem is, this system clearly favors reliability over everything else. for example, raikkonen was clearly the best driver of 2007 in a slower car and won it, yet here, due to mechanical issues that ferrari had but mclaren didn't, hamilton wins. similarly, clark gets shafted in 1965, although in a better, but still less reliable car
The big thing I noticed here is that in F1's point standings, as it's only for p1-10 it means that the gap between midfield teams is much more distanced. Aston have been a the 5th best team for most races this year, causing RB and Haas to be fighting for 1 to 2 points for most of the year, and allowing Aston to have double the points vs RB and even more for Haas. However using the Indycar points system, those 2 teams are still well within range of Aston in the constructors, which puts more pressure on Aston to keep performing. So although it might not change much up front, it makes a massive impact on the midfield.
It makes sense that it effects the bottom 5 teams more, because the top 5 are already getting proportionally rewarded for every performance they put in.
Make p20 still get 1 point for finishing. And DNF get 0. Forces teams to choose to stay and take the point, or DNF for reliability.
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I think a point system that is more representative of the results of all the teams gives only benefits. It will drive the lower scoring teams to try as hard as possible as now the minor position gains will actually be represented such as in the top 10. Also it will bring the gap between them and the top 4 teams down
Pros outweigh the cons imo
@@TommoMcCluskeythe con is obvious though, the reason indycar has so many safety cars is because the back of the field is fighting so hard for p17 which leads to risky overtake attempts.
@@lightsoutracingproductions thats not a con. drivers racing hard for position should not be reserved for the lead, but for everyone in all positions.
@@henkelarssonvm9471 i agree, but that’s why European fans make fun of indycar, because there’s so much carnage
@@lightsoutracingproductions You gotta remeber that theres 50% more drivers so of course theres gonna be more chaos
I really think something like this needs to be applied, it's crazy to think that a driver finishing 11th every race will be below a driver that finished 20th every race except one where he finished 10th.
I like the IndyCar system because it rewards consistency where as a top team can have a driver finish out of the top 10 and still be fine (looking at you Perez)
Also winning in Indy Is about a driver so much more
Now do it with the NASCAR playoff system
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@@MrVsGarage you sadist
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God even before the playoffs their points system was a mess
In Logan Sargeant's defense, his steering wheel failed in the season opener, got his car taken and all of it's parts for the first eight-ish races. This scoring system is not nice to his situation.
That's fair point. I don't really know how any points system could fully reflect driver misfortune. Bottas lost his top 10 finish in China through a breakdown too for example. Even in this system, he's still bang on the same points as Zhou. Madness.
@@TommoMcCluskey Great Video, btw. The F1 vs. Indycar debate will be great the next few years; both series are stacked with talent. Had to defend my fellow American, he's a rough go this season.
@@TommoMcCluskey that's because the current system encourage backmarker teams to gamble on strategies, Valtteri always try kinky strategies when he's close to top10 and then cause him to end up in 17 or 18 (same with Zhou tbh, he got screwed less because he usually further down the grid, but Zhou is almost always the first guy to try an undercut)
@@TommoMcCluskeyTBF Zhou is underrated
I was really surprised everyone voted against a change, with the top 8 locked in in every normal race, that leaves 12 drivers fighting over just 3 points and the occasional fastest lap if stars align.
Apparently the original reason for bringing it up in the meeting was concern that the top 5 or 6 teams will get every point and leave nothing for the backmarkers to get. However, by now every team except Sauber has at least some points, so there's no longer a pressing need to avoid a string of 0s. Which is kinda lame because the more consistency and reliability is encouraged, the more likely a bunch of 0 point teams will occur.
Surprised they want to keep the typical European hierarchy and avoid competition
Great stuff! I was disappointed that the Top 12 points system was denied. The difference in constructors money between P6 and P10 is huge for those teams, and it would have been more fair in determining the "real" running order. Plus, as you said, it leads to more competitive racing on track.
Cheers Nathan! Yeah I think they've missed a bit of a trick imo. Hard to get gassed by a wheel to wheel battle for P18 when you know it's not actually for anything.
can't let the consistent P11'ers catch up. For uh, reasons.
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Love the intro having FP1 Will involved. Love to see you two together in a video sometime. Loved your work Tommo for many years, its AWESOME
We need this, just feel so much more representative. Also, hate the ''then points doesn't feel special'' argument. Points are literally just a scoring system, and are not meant to feel special.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@Redlingstein The current system makes getting p11 once more valuable than getting p12 15 times, and i think that's dumb.
I really like the idea of awarding points all the way down the field (including p.20 doesn't really matter). I think it gives an incentive for drivers/teams to race for every position. Would be much fewer people retiring to save a power unit
That's the thing, make every position actually matter.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DOGET THE POSITIONS and those DOES make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@TommoMcCluskey In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@RedlingsteinOf course they race, but I doubt they care if they finish the season in 18th on 0 points or 19th on 0 points. Look at other championships where they give points all the way down the field, Aussie Supercars they come in and repair the car so they can get it back out on track, they might be four laps down but they're classified as a finisher and they get points, as soon as there's a loose wheelnut in F1 they retire the car. Or even worse they're in 14th and they retire to prevent getting a penalty at the next race just in case something breaks in the engine.
As an exercise I calculated the point standings up to the mid season break using the MotoGP system.
1 Ver. 260
2 Nor. 210
3 Pia. 184
4 Lec. 170
5 Ham 167
6 Sai. 163
7 Per. 143
8 Rus. 130
9 Alo. 92
10 Hul. 67
11 Str. 61
12 Tsu 58
13 Ric 44
14=Alb 40
14=Oco 40
16 Gas 39
17 Mag 31
18 Zho 15
19 Bot 12
20 Bea 9
21 Sar 8
The interesting stuff is down the bottom. Zhou ahead of Bottas and the scrap between Ricciardo, Albon, Ocon and Gasly.
Actually, I forgot to mention the constructors championship. With the motogp points system McLaren are just behind RedBull. 403 to 394 and if they didn't stuff up on strategy (mainly Oscar's) they would be leading
Really digging all this summer break content!! Keep it coming Tommo!!
Let me rest I beg 😅
@@TommoMcCluskey Rest up man lol!! Silly Season about to ramp up in the next few days!
Personally, I don't mind if they give points all the way to 20th, but I think there needs some "penalties" for not finishing. By that, I mean no points for those that DNF. Only those that finish the race can get points. I personally like that approach a lot more. That way, you won't get drivers retiring the car just cause their race didn't go to plan as you would forfeit potential points for doing that.
Indycar is so underrated.
Chaotic good
Indycar is like a window into the past of F1, with a much higher chance of mechanics or fans being hit by the pieces of the car flying off of the track after every crash.
It's hard to resist watching the Indycar highlights when you there's so much crazy sh*t happening in most races... but it also still scares me every time it happens.
I wonder why f1 youtubers rarely talk about F1, are brits really not a big fan of murican single seaters? or are f1 fans just f1 fans and not motorsport fans ?
@@evandrochaves9596Well, if you’re an F1 TH-camr thank you make content about F1, not Indycar 😂 those „F1 is better“ / „Indycar is better“ fans are joke ofc. I think for most non-diehard fans it’s really just another racing series, so they’re somewhat neutral. Most F1 fans don’t watch the ladder series F2/F3 either. Plus if you’re from Europe it can be hard to watch due to the time difference. That’s why I stick to highlights.
@@evandrochaves9596 I wonder if there's even an overlap between f1 fans and other motorsport fans
Tommo on a generational run of uploads
Once in a generation
1:52 love the honest laziness, I'd do the same
Ain't nobody got time for that
I like most systems where points are awarded all the way down. The Indycar system works well, as shown in this video. I think the F1 minnows would fight a lot harder amongst each other at the back of the field if they knew precious points were on the line and the racing would be exciting all the way down the order. I am not a fan of sprint races though...I wish those would be dusted and gone soon.
It helps with the lower half of the driver standings
Stroll and Ricciardo ahead of Perez for R8-R14 💀
Nice job, I like these kind of data analysing videos! ☺️ A small correction, the gap between Piastri and Leclerc is 15 points in the Indycar system, not 25 (= Have a nice day! ☺️
Love the recent horde of videos Tommo you’re smashing it. Love from NZ 👋
Would sure make Monaco a helluva lot more interesting to see guys fighting for points at the back. Wait. No, never mind, it would still be a procession. Damn.
Frequent Tommo uploads, you love to see it
this point system would also discourage the Williams ‘ethos’ of last years car. You would need to a create a consistent car rather than one with big peaks and troughs. Interesting to see what it would’ve done to last years standings
Totally agree with indycar here. Wouldn’t even mind compromising points down to 15th. Its objectively better, imagine a sport putting so much weight on pure luck when it comes to those last places in the constructors
Tommo man loving these vids, really making me come back looking for them
This is so much better
this really demostrates what you said in the sianz/williams video about the current points system favoring cars with peaks and valleys over cars that are consisently mid
F1 definitely needs an updated points system. There's too much money involved to not let the B class fight for more than a sparse point or two when the A class guys DNF or screw up badly. As far as the pink, yeah I could do without it too. Its a little too drab
appreciate that tommo also likes indycar and has never thought of it as lesser motorsport
Please do this at the end of the season! This is so interesting!
Nicely done and the F1 system needs an adjustment to better reflect (reward) consistency.
Great video! I really liked the proposal for awarding points up to 12th place, but I also appreciate when it's more challenging to earn points. Luck is an integral part of racing and many other sports, whether it's due to safety cars, rain, mechanical failures, or a fortunate goal in football, where a team then defends with 11 players in the box - the equivalent of gaining track position because of being held up in the pits by other cars. Luck shouldn't be eliminated from the sport.
At the end of the day, Sauber has a shit car, and that's accurately reflected in their results and, consequently, in the points. Magnussen took big risks and penalties to defend and help Hulkenberg score points.
This is great! The Indycar points system is much better. With one glance, you can now compare teammates more easily. This was something I started doing at the beginning of the season just for this purpose, but I didn't keep it up during the season. It would be great if you could post the Indycar point system standings of the F1 drivers after each race or at least at the end of the season as well. Excellent video. Thank you - it is a lot of work.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
@@RedlingsteinYou really need to calm down. Also you’re missing the point.
@@Liam94Smithhe's just a rage baiter
I would like to see a part 2 of this video, for let's say. The second half of the season, it's pretty interesting to watch.
Like it much better, but maybe would add 0 points for *technical* DNFs, at least for the constructors. I don't know why, but I always felt how much of a race you raced should be part of the equation, but I realise that it might be unfair to the drivers if crashed into or the technical DNF not due to constantly overdriving the machinery and just poor luck.
awesome video Tommo! I really think F1 could benefit from the expansion of points giving. It's so much more representative, and gives you more positions to care about as a fan
From P1 to p15 would be great to have Points.
Good Video. Cheers tommo.
i've watched three of your videos today because they popped up in my recommended and I have to say your little line " LETS TALK ABOUT IT " is going to be iconic I already say it with you when you say it in the video 🤣🤣
I love when you experiment with the points systems like this. I made a version where you score through the normal f1 system, but it is applied to the race, quali and the fastest laps. Still Max and Red Bull leading but could change
This point system for the constructors championship and the current point system to remain for the drivers championship would be cool!
This is way better
While it was briefly mentioned, I feel like the enjoyment it would bring to watching races alone is good enough reason to revamp the points down to somewhere between p14-p16 at least. It feels like the "boring" races could be a lot more enjoyable if the teams at the back had more to fight for. It is a shame that in races where the top 7/8 stay the same we tend to see crowd shots or the occasional replay of an overtake further back, rather than seeing an Alpine and a Haas competing for a p12/13 the same way an Aston might fight for p8 in the current structure.
In addition it could possibly help from a financial standpoint. Rewarding consistency further down the order means teams like Williams can "settle" with p11 and the points that brings in, rather than pushing their driver for a p10 because they calculate an overtake to be likely enough, resulting in a crash and a chunk of the teams money being spent on rebuilding the car while also losing out on a points finish. Of course, there still needs to be enough of an insentiv to take risks, but if the risk of crashes is lowered sufficiently by extending the points positions that alone would also be good enough of a reason to do so.
the fact that Bearmann position in f1 standings is higher in his f2 standings is WILD
I’ve been thinking it would be more realistic to grade drivers based on qualifying points 1-20 as well as race points 1-20. I just never wanted to do all the work for every race to figure it out but it definitely would be a more realistic rating for back of the grid drivers
Good to see an F1 superfan looking to other types of motorsport for good ideas. 2 good ideas from IndyCar: automatic grid penalty for causing a red flag in qualifying. And no yellow flags, only red, in the last few laps of a race
I feel like Indy car points allows for more differentiation to positions and allows for more value in not finishing last.
Fantastic video, subscribed.
I think F1 should extend the point up to 12th place
Love you Tommo and Mr V!
Can't speak to one or the other being "better", though I have my preferences. But I also think F1 SHOULD be different. They do bill themselves as the top level of all motorsport, I think the exclusivity of the points system reflects F1's view of itself.
Personally I'm used to MotoGP which has been the same since 1993! Top 15 score points, and the gap between a win and 2nd is only 5 points. You get a "feel" for what a large points gap is. With Indy the points totals are so high and different, it's hard to get a grasp on what any of it tells you.
3 videos back to back from Tommo 🤯😬
10:15 would like more to see that 12 positions - points system in action and maybe a 15 positions - points too but not a "points to all cars 😅
This is a better system imo, this way of scoring points reflects better the true nature of the drivers and constructors performances
I do wish f1 allocated points down to the lower finishing drivers. Often times drivers in slow cars deliver good performances but don't get rewarded for them. What if this happens, Sauber finishes p11 and p12 and the cars in front are all better cars (Mercs, RB's, McLarens, Astons, and the Ferrari's). I feel like they should be rewarded for that, but that's just me.
More points awarded to the back end will likely result in less aggressive battles for P9, P10, P11. I think they should keep it this way.
Indycar is such a cool series.
Sad many Europeans fand "specially german fans" missing such good racing.
Probably unpopular opinion but, I believe a system like this was needed back when we had 24 car fields with manor, caterham, and hrt. When more cars are competing out of the points than in, it setup them all up for failure and ill-representative when compared to each other over a season. The current F1 system works for 20 cars. But 22 or 18 would require a top 11 or top 9 points distribution for it to hit the same. Indycar’s true point system where even last gets points just for starting would be more consistent from year to year, and over the decades.
Great vid Tommo, raises some good points!🙌 I don't know if points all the way down the grid is necessary tbh. With 20 cars on the grid I would personally keep it as is, in a (currently) unlikely situation where there would be 22 cars on the grid, then I would suggest the Top 12 scoring points would make a lot of sense. 👍
My idea for the points is to separate the points for drivers and constructors. Keep the same system as now for the drivers, but change the constructors points to this system. I want the drivers championship to be tricky, and having half the grid score and half not I think is a good balance, but for the constructors I want a more representative order of actual performance for the bottom half of the grid to account for a bit more than it currently does.
2 separate points systems to keep track of? Sounds pretty NASCAR
@@duncachinoahimiha3889 Yeah it does feel like it would have problems, I just feel constructors should have a better reflection of finishing positions/performance, where as drivers points I still want to have the level of, prestige? (or a better word), so I guess to reflect both you'd need two differing points systems.
I think an ideal points system would allow 75% of drivers to score per race, with DNF's being automatic 0's (could either be like current system, or just a blanket DNF = 0 regardless of number of laps completed). In this system, drivers and constructors would still be scored as they are now, just with more positions scoring points.
This is SO MUCH better. Today's scoring says that from P11 to the back you don't matter. This is wrong. The midfield teams have their fight too, they should be rewarded for getting ahead of the other midfielders.
good video 👍 Liking this summer content
Try with Top 12 points scorers.
We need sprints to be reverse grid in points standing. You can then add an FP2. This lets the young drivers who never get a chance to race up front, battle for some real points.
Basically, the extremes are: a) reward top performances or b) reward consistency. With F1 being a non-spec series where teams can develop (with limits) their car (take McLaren last year and this year), rewarding consistency hurts teams who are strong developers. So when a team starts on a back foot then there is very little incentive for them to develop the car. F1 is trying to balance those extremes.
Anyone remember when F1 used to only rewards points for Top 6? 😭
Most of us weren't alive for that, so no😅
Gotta get more spreadsheets to get the right vibe mate
Hi Tommo, Love the concept. But why not just straight points. 20 for first down to one for 20th. Pole gets points, fastest lap gets points. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Thank you.
If it was like that the difference between winning and finishing second would be almost none
@@josemanoel6208 Sometimes it IS almost nothing. 6 tenths between Lewis and Oscar at Spa '24 after an hour and a half on track. But straight points does not work as one bad result that was not even drivers fault can take driver/team out of championship.
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The indycar system makes a lot more sense than I thought it would. Definitely gives a more accurate picture of the results and gives the lower teams more of an incentive to fight for every position. F1 will never enact it though because the top teams will lose prize money and we could NEVER let that happen
In any sport the question about points or medals or trophies awarded comes down to the question of what do you want to know at the end of the season. For Formula 1 there are two things mainly to be known. 1) who is the best driver 2) who is the best constructor. It seems whatever points or awards system you use based on the technical and sporting rules does this. However, there is another consideration for the top series is professional sports and that is financial. F1 awards prize money based on constructors finishing position and so the indicar system would seem to do that better. A second point on the financial side is can you generate more interest and therefore create more value for the sponsorship and then leverage that. For the middle order this looks interesting for the conclusion on how it would change the current season standings. I was surprised it didn't have more impact. I think greater punishment for going beyond the allocation of engines and parts might be needed. Perhaps your points for the race finish would be halved as well as grid penalties?
@tommo how about looking at a tour de France type system next? The driver with the least time over the season wins the title. Additional trophies for king of the streets and tyre whisperer (least amount of tyres used).
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Hands down, one of your best videos to date. I think you make a wonderful case for at least some form of alteration to the F1 points system being a positive thing for the sport. I think a cool vid idea would be a Tommo as the race engineer of a past race (regardless of season) and show what you would have done in the heat of the moment. Would be a nifty thought experiment.
I think, not giving points to all drivers is fine. The current DTM system may be a nice change. It awards points to the top 15 starting from 25 points and decreasing like the super formula points system.
I used to reject giving it a chance. But now actually seeing this broken down, I quite like it and I think could be a good move. Unfortunately cars who are P12-P20 at some stage more or less almost give up when points seem unlikely, this would give everyone more incentive to keep pushing to the end, not just those guys but everyone in the race.
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
Consistent finishing will always result in the top teams winning, no matter the points system.
I personally like the system of 50% of the driver lineup getting points, it makes teams take risks, fail or succeed. I dont think the current system is perfect, but i like the idea of 50% of drivers getting points
This was super interesting.
immediately thought of Mr. V’s video on this when I saw the title but it’s been a short while since I watched that so I couldn’t remember my thoughts; I wasn’t on board at all until I saw Red Bull in P3 for constructors 😂 it has its pros and cons for sure as a points system. giving out the fastest lap point in qualifying makes no sense to me so I’d rather that still be in the race but I don’t think it should matter what position you finish in like it does with the current points system. I don’t like seeing my Ferrari boys down a spot each in the drivers championship but I do think it’s more representative for the lower half of the grid. this isn’t the exact points distribution that I’d like to see in F1 but overall I do think it’s better than what we currently have. I think I’d like to see points down to P15 for the main race and P10 for sprints - if you’re going to give points further down for the main race then I think it’s only fair that the sprint race does as well.
That looks like a much better system for F1 scoring. It rewards consistency but that hurts drivers who get taken out by someone else’s mistake or potentially over the top aggression. Would it even incentivise intentionally taking out an opponent?
It’s nice to see you a European Actually talk about Indycar
I feel like this could make drivers/teams at the front not race as hard because dnfing would not be worth the risk for the % of more points gained. In return the teams at the back would race more
In F1 ALL POSITIONS already matter for drivers and constructors!!! They don’t get points but the DO GET THE POSITIONS and those DO make the difference in standings when equal on points!!! That’s why ALL 20CARS IN F1 ALREADY FIGHT FOR ALL 20 POSITIONS!!
The backmarkers DO FIGHT for P18, P19!
The fact that YOUDONT CARE to watch the battles of the whole grid…doesn’t mean that the drivers themselves don’t care!!!
You are so wrong with your assumption!!
To be honest, I feel like this whole argument about the points system, is so that we can save our breath in correcting someone who takes these points and championship standings at face value and proclaims, say in 2019, George Russell is rubbish because he didn't score any points. Those kind of takes are extremely annoying, but I don't think its worth changing the points system for those people.
It might just be the inflated scores, but DNFs feel more punitive in this system, especially if it's an early DNF. Also, I'm thinking you might see more safety cars and red flags later in races. Not just between backmarkers jockeying for position, but teams would be incentivized to keep a compromised car in the race to at least get a few more points.
This is ridiculous. We need this
I always worry changing points systems that we will end up pulling a NASCAR
Im not a fan of overly complicated points systems. I do think increasing and extending the current points is a good idea. Points to P15 would create more competition between teams and motivate the ones who currently almost never see points. Also 1 point for P10 is ridiculous -change the distribution. Lastly reward multiple race winners (every 3 wins =15pt bonus). This would improve the championship battle.
Spelled "strategize" wrong mate, 1:14 sorry for that
It’s definitely better ❤
Tommo is a busy boiiii
Now do one for INDYCAR man capitalize on covering both motorsports
I'm surprised that Zhou was on the same point as Bottas, I would have thought Bottas would have way more points than Zhou. While qualifying P20 all the time is still really bad, maybe it is mostly about the car and Zhou wasn't completely garbage.
Tommo having a quiet summer then eh?
I think Moto GP point system would be enough. You still need to pass 5 cars for scoring point(s), but you will fight even for 16-17th, because everything can happen.