A walk along the Dagenham Brook | Leyton - Walthamstow (4K)
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- A river walk along one of Waltham Forest's urban streams - The Dagenham Brook.
We start the walk on the corner of Ruckholt Road and Orient Way and follow the Dagenham Brook across Marsh Lane Fields (Leyton Jubilee Park) then through the Warner Estate and onto Lea Bridge Road. We take a look at the abandoned ground of Leyton F.C once one of the oldest football clubs in London, founded in 1868 - now derelict.
From here we cross Lea Bridge Road and walk down Blyth Road (also part of the Warner Estate) and up Bridge Road to Markhouse Road. We turn into Veralum Avenue then Low Hall Road and South Access Road passing the Walthamstow Pumphouse Museum. We walk around Low Hall Sports Ground and into Low Hall Wood Nature Reserve to look at Owen Bullet's artwork, The Clearing, and pick up the Dagenham Brook. Turning into North Access Road we see the River Lea Flood Relief Channel and pass by St. James Park. We walk beneath the railway bridge and turn into Salop Road then Elmfield Road. We follow Elmfield Road round until we reach Coppermill Lane and the end of the walk.
Many thanks to Max 'Crow' Reeves for joining me on the walk.
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This is one of five walks I've produced for Waltham Forest London Borough of Culture 2019 as part of Waltham Forest Tours curated by William Galinsky.
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Another marvelous walk. What I love about this is the way you integrate the past with the present. Something that doesn't happen much nowadays. So the meaning of things, the magic of places, time, and adventure is removed from modern life. Thank you for bringing this back in such a magnificent way.
Thanks for this John, I grew up between 1970 and 1992 in Dagenham road, my bedroom window looked out onto Leyton wingate football club (directly behind the goal posts) and I can confirm during the summer the Dagenham brook would stink up the area like you couldn’t imagine : ( excellent video sir, a real trip down memory lane
Good to see that the Beating of the Bounds is still being carried out. I lived in Seymour Rd during the 90s when the New Lammas Lands Defence Committee was trying to stop developments such as the Leyton Relief Rd and enclosures by the Lee Valley Park. Beating the Bounds was carried out on W'stow marsh along the river, showing parishioners the boundaries. Thank you John.
In the 1960s the area known as Marsh Lane Fields was raised several metres by the dumping of rubbish and topping it off with soil to make football pitches. There is, to my knowledge a Fordson van, a Ford Escort van, a Bond Mincar and a number of old motorbikes buried there.
wonderful landscape
Parts of this have seemed like a nostalgia trip for me, especially around Marsh Lane Fields and Seymour Road. What is now the school to the right of this route, behind the flats, was where I worked (late 80s, early 90s) when it was an Engineering Manufacturer. It was once part of Thorn EMI and manufactured the machines to make filament light bulbs.
Just as you left the Fields to enter Seymour Road, there used to be a children's play area; the roundabout therein was ridden by Phil Collins in the early scenes of the film Buster!
To the left is Temple Mills Railway depot; this is now where the Eurostar trains are stabled.
The Hare and Hounds was our local for lunchtime refreshment!
The football ground behind the H&H was, in my time, Leyton Wingate FC (as opposed to Leyton Orient)!
Oh John you had me in tears as the memories flowed. Seeing again the allotments at the junction of Seymore and Clementina roads where I played ; across the marshes where I walked to Church road school every day. We had to go along the Dagenham brook banks when the floods were bad .Emanuel Church where I was a brownie and then seeing the Walthamstow part of the walk. Thank you over and over. I am not Charlie but his wife who really enjoys going for walks with you.
Thanks so much for sharing that - very glad to help bring back those memories
I remember the Dagenham brook as being very very smelly. It had an oil like slick floating on it, We always thought the effluent came from the wireworks in Church road. It was beautiful with many colours. My father had two plots off Seymour road. I have a memory of Gracie Fields opening Potter and Moore's factory. Ca n any one else confirm it?
@@mollymiddleton8365 and the Caribonam works that poured many odd coloured liquids in to the brook!
I love your channel, so many memories. I grew up in Markhouse road during the 1960's. At the bottom of Verulam Avenue, on the left, just before the garages at the entrance to Tudor Court, was a large area of waste ground, completely overgrown with bushes trees and brambles. This was bordered on one side by "the brook" we used to play there all day. It was eventually developed. I'm wondering if this could have been the site of the Manor House? Also on Markhouse road, above what was a bakery, there was a panel inset into the building which said "Marx House" from the bottom of Queens Road, (Common Gate) heading towards the High Street, it's around 100m on your left. I always thought it had connections to Karl Marks.
Another brilliant video John 👍
THANK YOU
Love the term
‘ edge lands ‘ xxx
What would we do without your great videos and experience.
Leyton Football Club was sad to see tho. Your editing and patience are very appreciated.
Many thanks John. Have a good winter break.
Thanks for all your support Little Acorns. Hope you have a great winter break as well
Thank you John for sharing another lovely walk. Just watched while burning off some holiday excess on my exercise bike! A young relative and partner recently moved into a Warner flat in Hibbert Road where the Dagenham Brook runs along the bottom of their garden, so it was interesting to see a walk around an area that I am at least now vaguely familiar with! I was taken up to Bridge Road to see the Dagenham Brook, as you can't really see it very well where it passes under Lea Bridge Road (unless you're about 8 foot tall) so your shot through the railings there was very recognisable. Back in October (2021), when I was there, the brook was rather more overgrown with not a lot of flowing water in it. I subsequently bought Lucy Harrison's Rendezvous Projects book about the Warner Estates, which is fascinating, and I would recommend it to anyone watching this video who wants further in depth information about this area's Warner housing project.
Many happy memories of Low Hall Sports Ground watching my children playing football every Saturday and Sunday morning. Thank you.
Not sure how long after posting this video you pick comments up....however....I well remember the Dagenham Brook as it flowed through the Council Depot in Low Hall Lane......incredibly polluted and probably still is. The Depot itself housed all of the 'direct' services such as refuse collection, street cleansing, highways etc and the associated vehicles and workshops etc. The top boundary of the Depot was actually the Low Hall pump house and I can remember when that was virtually a derelict building....anyway, I also remember the site of the Low Hall manor building which was quite close to the pump house........when the top part of the Depot was sold off for housing the manor site was exposed and you could clearly see where the moat was and the bridge across it.....the archaeologists also proudly showed off the remains of the flying bomb that blew the building up during the war...!!! Sadly, as with most sites of historical interest, the manor now sits below a layer of concrete and houses.
One other thing I also remember from my time at the Depot was a collection of photographs that I put together to form a picture to hang on the wall of the meeting room in the Depot offices.....it showed Sir Alan Cobhams flying circus, which at one stage held a display/event on the Low Hall sports fields in the 1930's I believe...not sure where those pictures ended up....in the museum..?
Anyway, I've only just found your TH-cam videos and find them fascinating as I grew up in Chingford from the 60's and worked in Walthamstow before eventually moving to Burton on Trent .
I must say that the place I left back in 2000 is sadly now not a place that I remember or would ever want to return to .....☹️....the roads and places may still bear the same names, but that is about all....what have you done to the place Waltham Forest Council....??
thanks for that fascinating comment Peter - what a great experience to witness that excavation.
Great video. Very nice walk. I like East London
Thanks again John, I'm so glad I found you almost a year ago, you have brightened my life no end with your wonderful videos and fantastic book of hidden London , very educational too I have learned so much about my incredible home,a very happy new year and Christmas Peace and Joy to you and yours, I hope in 2020 you can find time to do the New River from Woodberry Wetlands to Sadlers Wells and the Grazebrook through Stoke Newington cheers John......♥
And thanks so much for your support this year Leslie and all your wonderful comments. Wishing you a great year ahead.
Brings back lovely memories of the walk itself. Thanks for the football club bonus footage. Nice to see what we missed. Will be watching this one again and again.
That's really lovely to hear Kathleen - it was a magical day. The Pole Hill video is on its way soon
Thanks John, South Access Road to Staffa Road was my daily walk to work back in the day. The brook used to have a weird purple growth in it back then. Foul smelling, polluted. It has improved at least. Never knew about Barnes Wallis being there, amazing. Thanks for the memories :-)
That's good to hear of the improvement - they are doing a lot of work to clean it up. I'm really fascinated by that industrial estate - I think it's featured on another video - Marshlands from 2017 (I think?)
It looks like the Brook might actually be buried, but running under the full length of Elmfield Road, as the channel surfaces again just after Coppermill Lane and behind the Douglas Eyre Sports Centre. There's a distinct channel running parallel to the Lea Relief all the way up, under Forest Road, and into Uplands Business Park where its finally dips under Priestly Way and disappears from aerial photos. Up until that point it still looks to be marked on maps as Dagenham Brook, even all the way up here! :)
love Max's photographs from this walk :-)
yeah they're really great, he was a fantastic walking partner
Brilliant. You passed the site of the Thermos flask factory at 11:28
Ah thanks for that info wish I'd known
something quite charming about the smaller streams, brooks and rivers in Suburban London, I was very fond of the West London ones such as The River Pinn and Yeading Brook, which I grew up beside.
Great walk again John, thank you. 😊
thanks for watching tomgirl
Great walk. I bought my first flat in the road next to Seymour Road on that Warner estate
fascinating, as usual! Reminds me of Robert Frost's poem 'A Brook in the City'.
Ah, I'll have to look that up - thanks
Thanks again, John. So much of my history there. Enjoyed the shot of the detached tower of St. Saviour's church, where I spent a lot of time in the '70s, ringing the bells and chatting up the girls who were learning to ring there. I grew up in a Walthamstow Warner's flat and have my parents' first rent book, dated 1936. The Warner building project was vast: the houses / flats go out as far as Woodford Green.
Great vlog John you have so much knowledge of London urban areas look forward to 2020 merry Christmas
Many thanks Paul and a wonderful new year to you too
Thank you! I peaked over that fence on Lea Bridge and had fanciful notions that one day I'd be able to walk in the stream, following it to who knows where!
Hi John another interesting and memory reviving video. Like walking from Norrington Road School to Ivy Farm, where we changed then along the path up onto the football pitches. I hated it especially on cold wet days like we have just had. Another story was told by my mum was my great, grandfather walking from Hackney to Leyton Village across the watercress beds. Around the 1840s.
Thanks for watching Steve - love the story about the watercress beds on the marshes
Another cracking video John. Those murals on the side of the house were something!
Thanks Dave - they're wonderful eh, they're are quite a few round Walthamstow
Thanks John; much appreciated. Great mix of interest...and as always, the wonderful music. Hackney Hospital was one of those institutions on the margin. I once worked in the kitchen there. Very Bentham-esque. Good for horror films. I think many of these old, grand buildings were built philanthropically but became too expensive to maintain.
Thanks for watching Arthur, there are still a couple of the old hospitals around - Whipps Cross being one but needs some serious work.
I was born in the Hackney Hospital in 1956. Maternity ward was pretty new and ‘state of the art’. Obviously went down hill hill after that. :-). I now live in LOS ANGELES, have since 1981 so these walks are truly trips down memory lane for me. Thank you so much John Rogers. Wonderful.
Another great and interesting walk. My grandad had a stall in Walthamstow market! I hope you'll do a walk along the River Ingrebourne one day, John!
That’s a great suggestion Douglas - the Ingrebourne has been on my list for a couple of years now
You did it again John..... great video 👍
Thanks Colin
Really like that shot of Brunel Road in the rain at 20:06, John.
The Knighton Wood video was excellent, on this as my second one of your videos today. Cheers.
Thanks Alex - this walk always fascinates me, there are so many different ambiences and stories
Thanks John , Yuletide Greetings.
Many thanks Ralph and a Merry Yuletide to you too
Another great walk. Thanks John.
Thanks Tim
Thanks John once again for a fascinating walk filled with facts and knowledge which I previously had no inkling of. Appreciate all your hard work in producing this video and look forward to the next
thanks very much Humble - I love making these videos. The next one will be with you soon
the forest schools are springing up all over Essex too,. nature tots is one that's run in Belfairs woods owned by Essex Wildlife Trust and seems incredibly popular too
Thanks for this holiday treat John! Equal parts wonder and wistfulness, especially the empty stadium seats. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thanks Ross and the same to you. There’ll be another video before Christmas all being well
Splendid! Really enjoyed this walk through these ancient urban areas, occupied for so long and perhaps in some places the activities have changed little since people first came there.
Another beautiful walk through history John, thank you for sharing...best wishes for a very Merry Christmas and I look forward to all your walks in the new year!!...🎊🎉🎅🎉🎊
Thanks so much Neil - hope you have a great Christmas and New Year
What an interesting walk - I loved it, thank you, John. What would it be like to work for the Commission of Sewers, I wonder? "Commissioner of Sewers" is possibly a position the London Perambulator might covet! Actually, I thought it might be a perfect title for a book or film or poem. But then I googled it and it has already been used - a filmed interview with William Burroughs. (Now I am going to have to watch it.)
Thanks Mariana - I also have to watch that Burroughs film now
Hi, John. Your wonderful videos feature plenty of glorious football pitches packed on a green, but I can't recall anybody playing on them. Do they ever?
they do indeed Victor but only at specific times - Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings
Great stuff as ever John.
thanks John
Hi John.if you ever do a walk again in Lea Bridge Rd, near the library, take a look at some old buildings in Gloucester Place. They might have been stables on the land of Suffolk House which stood on Capworth Street.
Well tbh john dont end your walks 31:04 just keep walking that's what i and i'm sure most of your viewers would like 🤣😄😁 Great walk i will just have to wait till the next walk. Thanks for all the great walks this year i wish you and your family a very happy Christmas
Ha, well sometimes I do but put the camera away. Sometimes 'the walk after the walk' is the best one for some reason. Hope you have a great festive season as well. They'll be one more video before Xmas all being well
@@JohnRogersWalks 😊 i look forward to the next walk thank you. I had an idea for a walk for you maybe Goresbrook Park in Dagenham and walking down to Dagenham Breach and around the old ford factory its just idea 🙏🤞 you must have so many walks to do 🚶♂️ I hope you have a wonderful 2020 thank you again your videos truly are the great 😎
So sad to see the football ground ❤❤❤so many hearts prob still there
Thanks John
Have a good 2020 !
Thanks Dave - same to you
Great walk. Have we seen that football ground before? And is a walk linking derelict football grounds plausible, or has development hidden all traces of most of them? Maybe non-league grounds, or cricket grounds?
In any case, this was terrific. Weather permitting, I'll be tracing a local brook through my own city on Sunday.
Thanks David - there are some photos of the ground in a video I shot interviewing somebody about the Club and what had happened to the ground but I hadn't properly walked around the stands before. I love the idea of walking between no league grounds - I sometimes watch Clapton CFC over in Walthamstow, and there's a ground near there which has a great history
Fascinating video...Thanks
Thanks for watching Leo
@@JohnRogersWalks Hi John.
One of the most interesting videos Ive watched on YT for a long time...so much enthusiasm and care..... give it a ten :*)
What a joy. It popped up about a second after I sat down for a cuppa. Great stuff. Thanks for all the virtual adventures in 2019, John!
My pleasure Phil - thanks for watching
Hi John. I'm in London on a short break from Dublin until Sunday 22nd December. I'm staying in the Vauxhall area of London. I wonder if you could recommend any locations/places to visit in Vauxhall or it's environs that you might find interesting? Many thanks. Dave
John, I just found a film that you made and put up on TH-cam on 21st Nov 2018. It's the one that you made about a walk that you did from Vauxhall to Strawberry Hill while reflecting on the film London by Patrick Keiller. Now I know what to do and where to go around Vauxhall and it's environs. I'm going to watch the film first. You're the best. Many thanks John. 👍 Dave
Hi David - great area. There’s a video on here covering that area (search Kennington). The Imperial War Museum is the obvious choice and Tate Britain is just across the bridge. Walking the Thames Path from Vauxhall is great in either direction- going west St Mary’s Battersea is a well worth a visit. And Brixton Market and the arcades on a Saturday are brilliant. Hope you have a great stay
John Rogers John thank you for those great suggestions. I'll definitely do the war museum and the Tate. I'll do the river walk. I'll watch the film about Kennington tonight. I really appreciate it. Dave
Have a great time David - the Van Gogh Walk I did with Iain Sinclair also passes nearby (video here on the channel)
@@davidfarrell7373 I'd defo recommend going to see William Blake at Tate...Amazing show from a London proto-psychogeographer
Hi John,
nice little video, but on the Allotment Gardners story front I think you or someone else may have been strung along at some point somewhere along the line.
The name 'Cedric' is a masculine given name invented by Walter Scott in his 1819 novel 'Ivanhoe'. According to Wikipedia, 'The invented name is based on Cerdic, the name of a 6th-century Anglo-Saxon king (itself from Brittonic Coroticus).' More here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric
Interestingly enough, the 'Cedric' here referred to has an encounter with the Hermit of St Clement's Well in the book, so this might be the basis of this newly invented folk myth. You find stuff like this on the 'fandom.com' website, so this might be another source for this jiggery pokery:
kingsquest.fandom.com/wiki/KQ5CD_transcript
However, there was a real life local Anglian Bishop living in sixth century Essex whose name was Cedd, as opposed to Cerdic or Cedric, though. He was of Northumbrian origin and was also responsible for converting loads of Pagan Saxons in the immediate vicinity of Wanstead and the surrounding district:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedd
But, he was based down the road at North Okenden, far, far away from the allotments, where there is an ancient healing well that still bears his name:
insearchofholywellsandhealingsprings.com/2013/10/19/a-well-for-october-st-cedds-well-north-ockenden/
Perhaps this is the original source of the allotment gardner legend, which has since been distorted? People tell each other stories in pubs when they're drunk, things get twisted out of all proportion and then passed on to other people and before you know it an entire mythology grows up which has the effect of obscuring the original legend. I come across things like this all the time!
The actual site of Durolitum is a considerable source of controversy as well. The English Heritage school of thought place it over near Chigwell at a place called Little London, as you will see from this:
www.romanbritannia.co.uk/roman-town-details.php?key=130
And there is a more detailed appraisal of the Chigwell site here on the Historic England website:
www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=408199
There has also been an article written about this controversy in one of your local papers, and the jury is still out on all this as far as I am aware:
www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10603748.history-feature-leyton-site-roman-military-base/
There do however appear to have been quite a number of Roman remains excavated not very far from where you were standing at the start of the video, but most of them seem to have been unearthed in and around the immediate vicinity of the old Parish Church:
www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/essex/vol2/pp166-168
This would tend to suggest that the original Roman settlement, whatever it was called, was situated slightly north of where you started off at the junction of Orient Way and Ruckholt Road.
www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/essex/vol6/pp174-184
According to this: "Palaeolithic implements and fossil bones found along the gravel terraces show that early man lived and hunted in Leyton. There was a Roman cemetery south of Blind Lane, and massive foundations of some Roman building, with quantities of Roman brick, were discovered in the grounds of Leyton Grange. The High Stone, near the eastern boundary of the parish at the junction of the roads from Woodford and Woodford Bridge, is a restored 18th-century obelisk set up on an earlier stump, but is traditionally described as a Roman milestone. It may occupy the site of one, if the Roman road from Dunmow to Chigwell continued to London, crossing the Lea by stone causeways discovered in Leyton between Temple Mills and Marsh Lane. Tradition also explains that Leytonstone is the part of Leyton which was near the High Stone.'
More on the 'High Stone' here:
www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/8104397.snaresbrookleytonstone-history-of-the-highstone/
As for the origin of 'Ruckholt', according to this it is derived from the Early Anglo-Saxon term for a wood inhabited by, or infested with, rooks; depending on which way you look at it:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=LPxBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=Manor+of+Ruckholt&source=bl&ots=UAa5VHJx6S&sig=ACfU3U26cQp0idIuiAvgkomgGzfrESitOg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5246WuMLmAhWHUMAKHQ4cBikQ6AEwCHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Manor%20of%20Ruckholt&f=false
Thanks for that Rupert - I cover the Leyton Grange Roman site in my book, there’s also a video on here I made a few years back where I walk that area. I think it’s accepted even at the time of the claim that it was a stretch to believe this was Duroliton (also due to its proximity to the City). Interestingly however they recently excavated a series of smaller Roman roads near Bakers Arms Leyton to the north of both sites.
@@JohnRogersWalks The Roman Roads network was a lot more complex than originally thought. N.H.H. Sitwell's 'Roman Roads of Europe' is a good primer and you can pick up a copy on Amazon or Abe books for under a quid! www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/roman-roads-of-europe/author/sitwell-n-h-h/
Brilliant thanks- will grab a copy
I think i really have to buy a copy of your book . I should add that Orthodox Christians use the willow branch to tie an egg with a ribbon. They then process around their neighbourhood, with their long egg wands and knock on the doors of houses 🏘. It is young boys who walk around, and they ask for the women of the house to come to the door. They then tap the women with their wands. Delightful
Gonna do the stretch north of Forest Road?
Good question Simon - I've covered Higham Hill on a video and a bit of Chingford Road on my epic 23-miler to Hertford, but not sure I've covered the ground between Forest Road and Highams Park on camera, a few blog posts - good suggestion
Hi John another good video I spent 12 years as a bus driver out of Walthamstow bus depot good times ....did you get your hair cut at about 11 mins in ?
ha, it does need a trim, I decided to tie it up after watching that first piece to camera where it's flying out sideways
Is Leyton a posh area then?
Can I have my ball back John?
I'll go and get it for you John
ah took me a second...the beard....you look better for it...might do the same.
William defended all our land 🍊