5 Weird PDGA Rules You Probably Didn't Know

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  • @el_jefeww7424
    @el_jefeww7424 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    These were good but fairly common for "probably didn't know." I like the idea, though Lesser known are allowable bathroom breaks, how/when to properly abandon a throw (no it does not need to be lost), requirement of a waiver for "Island holes" come to mind as ones I frequently encounter. Great conversations nonetheless as for some reason I enjoy interpreting rules.

    • @nathanfrazier8525
      @nathanfrazier8525 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yup! I make sure I know the rules so people don't call me out on what they "think" are rules. They also help me out when the rules are to my advantage like the ones you mentioned.

    • @el_jefeww7424
      @el_jefeww7424 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @nathanfrazier8525 so many people "know" the rules but seriously suffer from Dunning-Kruger. My go to is first to be familiar with the rules for play as well as for event managemnt. After that, it's "show me in the rule book" when I'm questioned or go straight to provisional to keep up pace of play.
      Social media is a double edged sword. It gets a lot of people talking and aware of other rules but unfortunately it give people a false sense of understanding when all they do is listen to discussion of rules without reading the documents themselves. See the great "obstacle in lie" debate of last year.

  • @RTopes
    @RTopes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I would love to see you cover the legality of disc tuning. 813.01 C 1 states that "Modifying the disc in a way that alters its original flight characteristics" would denote it as an illegal disc. A lot of players will purposely perform a series of bends around the rim of their disc before throwing in order to achieve greater over/under stability. I've also seen recommendations on how to heat your discs and bend them to get their stability back after the've been beaten in. That's the thing though. Discs naturally beat themselves in and that modifies the original flight characteristics, so what's actually considered an illegal modification? The line between purposely beating in a disc to be more understable while on the course vs running it over with your car repeatedly seems like a grey area.

    • @robertkucala5204
      @robertkucala5204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I got this response directly from the PDGA last year:
      "In response to tuning discs, it is impossible to determine if flexing a disc is restoring or distorting the discs flight characteristics. Sometimes a disc needs to be flexed just to undo the effect of whacking a tree or being stuck in an overstuffed bag. If the flexing of the disc is to intentionally introduce a bend into the flight plate of the disc, then by all means it should be called. If the disc is still in a round, saucer like configuration, it would be hard to justify calling the disc an illegal disc without other evidence. The rules committee neither condemns nor condones the practice of flexing discs. If a violation clearly has occurred, it should be called."

    • @RTopes
      @RTopes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@robertkucala5204 Thanks! I've been trying to find an answer to that for awhile, but never saw a clear response until this.

    • @trev3971
      @trev3971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This definitely falls under "prove it" protocol. Sure, you could suspect someone put their discs in the oven to flatten the dome, but you can't call it unless you can prove it, and the vagaries of disc production means there's no "correct" disc silhouette. Similarly, it's hard to prove that a little tuning before a shot is not just flexing out a taco from a pre-round tree hit.

  • @wzywgwzywg
    @wzywgwzywg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1. Is flashing on a disc considered a small molding imperfection? Can you legally sand the flashing off a disc?
    2. If wear and tear from play is allowed, is intentionally skipping, spiking, or hitting trees with a disc to speed up the seasoning process allowed?

    • @kylesparrow9996
      @kylesparrow9996 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1. Yes. per rule 813.01 B-2 "Moderate sanding to address wear and tear or small molding imperfections;"
      2. Yes. As long as that intentional "seasoning" dos not violate 813.01 C-5 "Intentionally deforming a disc such that it is not in a circular, saucer-like configuration."

  • @Dafunkyjunky870
    @Dafunkyjunky870 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those rules are wild… the tee pads the guy was throwing off of are absolutely insane haha! Those things were covered in mud!

  • @LessThan450
    @LessThan450 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Wait is a disc landing on top of the basket counted as a made putt/throw? It was very confusing in the video.

    • @paulschneider2856
      @paulschneider2856 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      no he states that a putt counts if a disc is caught in the cage or just so happens to be supported on the cage nubs. If you land on top of the basket that is still a non-make.

    • @LessThan450
      @LessThan450 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@paulschneider2856 oh ok. My bad.

    • @RussPrestwick
      @RussPrestwick 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Confusing. Maybe a sentence or two got edited out.

    • @cavepilot
      @cavepilot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I watched a different video that said landing on top of the basket could count but only if the disc passed through the chains first.

    • @french1991toast
      @french1991toast 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That part confused me too. I just putted one on the top the other day

  • @seang4603
    @seang4603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really like the establish balance after putt rule. I always put 2 feet down and it's awkward sometimes

  • @GregoryM1
    @GregoryM1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i'd love more of this!

  • @jpm_6318
    @jpm_6318 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pretty cool a lot of the video clips were from my home course/Renaissance Park

  • @KalenvS
    @KalenvS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    oooo I appreciate the better production quality on this one!

  • @cjosborn4796
    @cjosborn4796 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved the list of acceptable minis lol

  • @covtxrider
    @covtxrider 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2 questions, 1, is a disc that has been bitten by a dog illegal? How much damage to a base plastic disc would make it illegal? 2 is it illegal to mark the tee with chalk?

    • @Nate-cm9jp
      @Nate-cm9jp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      1. That depends if it is cracked or not. So it can be beat up, but if there is a crack in the plastic it is illegal.
      2. It would be considered a directional aid as well as changing the course and its obstacles. Unless the TD drew something there for a reason. A player individually using chalk to mark a tee pad would be altering to course.

  • @mmdoof
    @mmdoof 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Snus jar - the Nordic PDGA approved alternative to the throwing hand mitten

  • @davidfoss3848
    @davidfoss3848 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    These seem like fairly common rules to be considered "weird"

  • @mikadsu
    @mikadsu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think few players do have painted or stamped discs 🤔Which can be increasing weight or grip, but at least don't think its intentionally done so don't mind it too much.

  • @noahhood6474
    @noahhood6474 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never forget Alden Harris' Tostitos lid mini

  • @LILWagonBurner
    @LILWagonBurner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish there were Pdga approved stickers so that I can put my name and info’s on my disc impermanently.

  • @quizolympique
    @quizolympique 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If it's cold and wet, can I put my towel on my disc (between my hand and my disc) and throw the towel and the disc at the same time ? (the towel goes 10feet away and the disc doesn't hurt my hand...

  • @superblitz
    @superblitz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably the 2nd most common rule that is broken, without knowing it usually: the use of discs above the defined Max Weight of the mold that is defined by the PDGA.

  • @isaiahbalter4883
    @isaiahbalter4883 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A funny that isn’t necessarily a visual aid is when another player can’t see the basket because of obstruction from their lie and they ask if someone will hit the chains or talk loudly so the player can know if they are on target to the basket. I would assume this is illegal but haven’t tried to search it anywhere.

    • @armlock311
      @armlock311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wis hthe PDGA would clarify the directional aid rule. I've played numerous tournaments were a player asks for someone to shake the chains as a directional aid. I don't believe it to be legal but the rules aren't specific enough.

    • @bradyroy6279
      @bradyroy6279 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@armlock311another one I'm confused about is the use of spotters. On a blind hole with big potential for lost discs, is it permitted to have someone on the card offer to spot, even if they stand off the fairway?

  • @woodwindfixer9248
    @woodwindfixer9248 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you address the new time clock penalty on tee time that has zinged several players? Do they have an official clock running at the first tee area? Are players made aware of the “official time” at a players’ meeting? How much too late have players who have gotten the 2 stroke penalty been? Has the enforcement of this rule been handled well and equitably, or has it been handled with all of the skill of the switch to the pdga live app?

  • @ThorHargrave
    @ThorHargrave 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So one question I have had is: Are manufacturer's stickers legal/illegal to leave on the disc? Since they are applied during production by the manufacturer and not post production they should be legal.

    • @ThorHargrave
      @ThorHargrave 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just another case of the rules being unclear. (production according to the PDGA also includes hot stamping by manufactuers- including hot stamping by companies other than the manufacturer - ie Infinite Discs, DGA, or anyone who gets their discs made by a larger company - but not personal hot stamping [who knows where that line is drawn] - I woudl hate to be a TD that had to make that call.) I would agree that retailer stickers must be removed but anything the manufacturer has added is ambiguous.

    • @leopard3131
      @leopard3131 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@ronaldwitt Small correction, dye jobs CAN ABSOLUTELY change a disc's flight characteristics . I have seen several discs clearly deformed. I have seen dye jobs change the dome of the disc generally increasing but on one occasion collapsing the dome. I have also seen dye jobs soften the plastic again most noticeable in the dome.
      Prepping a disc, sometimes removing a stamp with acetone, and then applying coloring chemically alters the disc and regulating chemicals, techniques, and measuring any resulting alterations in flight characteristics is impossible.

    • @davidduncan3439
      @davidduncan3439 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Best to remove any stickers before sanctioned competitions.

  • @florian7485
    @florian7485 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:50 what about jump putts? Is the release always before the jump?

    • @Jason-Moon
      @Jason-Moon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. The disc cannot be released in the air. Sometimes this is way too close to call so no one bothers, but this rule gets broken a lot.

  • @Kris-pz1wv
    @Kris-pz1wv 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think many don’t know that you can’t throw a disc to another player that is standing more than 5 meters away. Then it will count as a practice throw 😅
    809.03 Practice Throw
    A practice throw is any throw that is not made as a competitive attempt to change the lie, except for a throw that is made either to set aside an unused disc or to return a disc to a player and that travels less than five meters in the air. A drop is not a practice throw.
    A player receives one penalty throw for making a practice throw; the throw itself is disregarded and not counted.

    • @spfortier
      @spfortier 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I knew this was a rule from back in the day, but I thought it had been changed not too long ago to say you had to be set behind your lie for it to be considered a practice throw, which makes way more sense. Maybe they changed it back.
      Also, with that "in the air" wording, I guess you could technically throw a roller to someone 200' away as long as it initially lands less than 5' from you. Go figure.

  • @henrypoth369
    @henrypoth369 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When putting can your foot touch the mini or disc?

    • @MaximilianBerkmann
      @MaximilianBerkmann 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, that would be a foot fault.

  • @ivwilliamson79
    @ivwilliamson79 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One rule I’ve come to a disagreement with my buddy on is lost disc and the penalty. Would a lost disc from teepad would result in a re-tee with an added penalty (so throwing “third” throw) or is the re-tee itself the penalty and the thrower is on second throw?
    Oh, and Sic’em Bears!

    • @samdoss1736
      @samdoss1736 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Third throw

    • @trev3971
      @trev3971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A lost disc is basically a hazard. You add a one stroke penalty and then resume play, so your re-tee is your third shot.

  • @Eaglemadhatter
    @Eaglemadhatter 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think of off ground attached to basket on away it should be counted in. Im ERIC and remember that you can't have AmErica without me

  • @aaronwaggoner8014
    @aaronwaggoner8014 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I see players putting or throwing discs with stickers on them ALL THE TIME!!! I politely let them know it's not legal and to remove them. It's only if they refuse that I take it to the next level. Personally, I think think the knowledge of an following of the rules is potentially the biggest issue in our sport today (aside from allowing men to compete in the FPO). I think in order to become a PDGA member, players should be required to pass a basic rules knowledge quiz. I'm talking real basic. I've seen countless times players not marking their disc before picking it up, practice putting on a back up of a hole, playing catch in the middle of a round, and step putting from 20'.

  • @caseysmith544
    @caseysmith544 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some of the Car emblems would not count as a mini marker because they have holes in the flight plate.

    • @kylesparrow9996
      @kylesparrow9996 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Except mini markers are not, by rule 802.1 definition, thrown, so they they do not have to conform to the 813.01 "Illegal Disc" qualifications.

  • @Only1Pekaylin
    @Only1Pekaylin 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would a vibram ninja star twist marker be legal tho?

  • @Slaydriano
    @Slaydriano 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most controversial rule is 805.01 B... Hands down...

  • @TheButlerNZ
    @TheButlerNZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Players must demonstrate balance behind the marker disc after releasing the putt and before advancing toward the basket.
    I had a discussion with players about this after I nearly fell on my face from a C1 kneel putt, but launched sideways with a backward twist and remained with no touching point in front of my Lie.
    They argued that I did not demonstrate balance.
    I had to point out that after falling.. I rolled onto my back.. stood up... showed ample balance... Picked up my marker, walked back and picked up my bag....
    Only then did I "Advance toward the basket"
    You can be completely off balance after a C1 putt... as long as you don't advance beyond your lie while unbalanced (i.e you don't fall into the area ahead of your lie within C1).
    Useless extra info: I'm 55, so I sort of surprised the others throwing myself at the ground... but I spent a lifetime on motorbikes and MTB.. I'm used to coming in contact with terra firma the hard way.
    🗑 🌳 🤾

  • @Steve-hv1bg
    @Steve-hv1bg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Most of these rules I would never even bother to try to enforce

  • @tillman40
    @tillman40 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also you can’t advance your caddie to stand where you want to throw

    • @sonquizzon
      @sonquizzon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was just going to ask this because I was in an A tier tournament and the lead card had a guy with them that was not playing but yet he would approach us chase card guys and then hang around after we left the area…. seeming to us like he was being a directional aid of some sort. It was weird.

    • @waynebryant1857
      @waynebryant1857 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They can’t rattle the chains or wave to show you the basket as long as they leave the area before you throw.

  • @bbd1254
    @bbd1254 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    For the putt where they step through after putting. Isn’t that one illegal because they showed balance but did not wait for the disc to come to rest? I thought the disc had to be completely still.

    • @chrism4008
      @chrism4008 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends if you're in c1 or c2

    • @clintsawyer7702
      @clintsawyer7702 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      "After having released a putt, the player must demonstrate full control of balance behind the marker disc before advancing toward the target." Nothing about waiting until the disc comes to rest, just that you show full control of balance behind the lie before moving forward, and of course that's only C1 anyway, C2 you don't have to show balance at all.

  • @stefan_HEX
    @stefan_HEX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As im Swedish i use my Snus as a mini.

  • @NathanRae
    @NathanRae 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why don't you pick out some rules that are there as a result of law suits or litigation or maybe there to avoid it?

  • @zachwelker8085
    @zachwelker8085 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you use a crushed beer can you chugged before the round??!

    • @kylesparrow9996
      @kylesparrow9996 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      as long as as you consumed that beer prior to 2 minute mark before the round and the height of said crushed beer can is less than 3cm, then yes! Perfectly legal.

  • @nathanbrinson
    @nathanbrinson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If someone drops an Olympic medal as their mini in a round with me, I'm retiring from the tournament. I can't beat that

  • @PetersPan24
    @PetersPan24 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You and Val Doss must be living in a slower rotating Earth reality

  • @biwan428
    @biwan428 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite weird rule is that you're not allowed to remove a spider web in front of your lie.

  • @DiscNDown
    @DiscNDown 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you go to Baylor?

  • @dbailey9954
    @dbailey9954 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m calling stance violation on the example putt right after the one “picking up one’s mini”. That was one fluid motion forward with the left leg during the putting motion with no discernible “pause”. I think bringing both feet down prior to moving forward or incorporating an additional step like the mini retrieval would be more helpful and easier to observe by the rest of the card.

    • @Mdjagg
      @Mdjagg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would be a foot fault, not a stance violation. That was a poor example. Pretty sure that'd be a stroke in a tournament.

  • @florian7485
    @florian7485 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:55 that‘s a stupid rule that should not be followed, if it doesn’t make the disc noticeably heavier a painted disc should be ok (of course dye jobs are a different thing, but people should be allowed to draw on their discs with paint markers etc. and put stickers on them)

    • @trev3971
      @trev3971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Define "noticeable." In a world where people will go out of their way to find a disc that's one gram heavier/lighter, one gram of paint can be considered significant.

    • @Justdoug777
      @Justdoug777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny thing is, do they think we have some advantage from the mods? Except for over weight disc while a mod may change the flight path that isn't an advantage just a slightly different disc. It is also unlikely that a mod will change a flight path more than natural ageing of the plastic.

  • @bradwurst8141
    @bradwurst8141 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why can't I watch your videos in the miniplayer? That only happens for children's videos and music typically

    • @chrism4008
      @chrism4008 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's probably marked kid-friendly in his creator dashboard. I'm pretty sure this will hurt the reach of the video too

  • @dash735
    @dash735 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A pack of cigarettes

  • @MikeWinson-i4e
    @MikeWinson-i4e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Step thru and jump putts should be illegal!!

  • @chrisrhome6638
    @chrisrhome6638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been concerned about overweight discs for a long time. The problem is that the manufacturers are letting overweight discs be sold as legal weight. They're stickered as legal, but when weighed they are actually overweight. The other problem is that plastic can get heavier over enough time. For instance I've been buying some older discs (20+ years old), and they can weigh up to 4 grams more than stated. I've never seen a Tournament Director go through someone's bag and weigh discs. But I like to know the exact weight of what I'm throwing, so I mark their weight. The last problem is that the weight can shift slightly depending on elevation and humidity. Thanks in advance, and thanks for helping the community to clarify the rules ai that we're all in the same page.

    • @chrism4008
      @chrism4008 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Idk, seems more likely they weighed the discs poorly than discs "gaining weight*.
      It seems weird to even think that imo

    • @chrisrhome6638
      @chrisrhome6638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrism4008 So the Manufacturer is selling Illegal weight discs on purpose? Most likely not. In my experience of over 20+ years around the game I've seen this happen over and over. Discs don't lose weight unless they're losing plastic.

    • @trev3971
      @trev3971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@chrisrhome6638 I think we've all experienced brand new discs that don't weigh what they're marked. Could be scale calibration problems, could be a fudge that lets everything up to 180.9 go out the door because it's likely going to a casual player anyway. But how on earth does "plastic get heavier?"

  • @shelbymorgan9484
    @shelbymorgan9484 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Put a Dot on your disc no different than a Golf Ball ....i use 3 dot ....what evers clever

  • @chrmartube
    @chrmartube 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The first rule you covered is a joke. How can a putt count if it never goes over the edge of the basket. It was better the old way.

    • @clintsawyer7702
      @clintsawyer7702 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It was changed because of blind holes where you can't SEE if it went over the edge or not, so it could have went in, and got stuck in the basket going OUT, so just to simplify everything, they just said as long as it's supported by the basket or chains, it's good.

    • @chrmartube
      @chrmartube 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clintsawyer7702 Hey I hear ya but not sure how seeing it go in matters at all. If it's not at the bottom of the basket when you walk up to it then it doesn't count. I just don't like that a bad shot that was never going to go in the basket can count as good. Rules are rules and I will follow them.

    • @Nayte08
      @Nayte08 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrmartubewell the rules as stated do not need to have it in the bottom of the basket. So you can disagree with the rules, but that doesn’t change them.

  • @cillondook
    @cillondook 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You said to demonstrate balance, you don’t have to put two feet down.
    I disagree, unless your body has at least two supporting points on the ground, you are not balanced. We are bipods and we cannot be balanced on one supporting point.
    U showed a few putts where the player takes long pause and picks up mini, those were both unbalanced and the momentum carried the player in front of their lie. When they finally put another foot down they are balanced and did not fully demonstrate balance behind the lie. The final completion of balance took place when the lifted foot touches the ground and weight is distributed evenly.
    If you’re standing when you putt, the only way demonstrate Full balance is to have two feet down or at least one hand or supporting point is holding you up.

    • @byuidan
      @byuidan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ballet disagrees with you and I will confess that I do as well. I agree that it is less deterministic, but balance is about equilibrium not the number of contact points. At the moment I sit on a three legged (four leg chair missing a leg) chair there are five contact points and very likely no balance.

    • @leopard3131
      @leopard3131 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is not true at all. One can balance on 1 foot.
      Balance is dynamic and I would consider the ability to stand on 1 foot, bend down, pick up a marker disc, and then stand up to be in balance.
      You momentum or Center of balance moves forward in a putt and one can , and many do, use the rear leg as a counter balance.

    • @cillondook
      @cillondook 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The rule doesn’t say to maintain balance and not fall over. It says to demonstrate full balance before advancing. If someone were to do a pistol squat on one foot after putting that would establish balance because momentum was stopped and reversed. Your typical putt is an arm extension and a leg lift from a bipedal position. Until your appendages return to their original positions, there’s no way to demonstrate full balance. U can maintain a balancing act for a time, but it’s not complete

    • @cillondook
      @cillondook 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I understand there are ways to be on one leg and demonstrate full balance. That’s different then doing it aftert putting mechanics

    • @leopard3131
      @leopard3131 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @cillondook the rule does not define balance, and it most certainly does not define balance as 2 feet on the ground. Technically, the minimum supporting points to maintain balance is a tripod.
      Static balance vs dynamic balance, etc
      Your assertion that balance is defined in the rules by 2 feet on the ground is simply false.
      The rules do not define balance, nor do they state how long balance must be maintained. They certainly do not state balance must be maintained forever.
      They are poorly written and thus open to interpretation.
      You do not have a monopoly on interpretation, nor are you the final judge, and I would certainly not second all of your calls if we were on the same card.
      Also, keep in mind that when in doubt, the decision is made in favor of the player.