Respectfully I own the new ceramic sub 114060 and a seamster 2254. And I’m sorry to say the 2254 ref seamster 300 is probably in my humble opinion the best divers watch made
@@abdulrahmanmalik8650 how well do you know these people? I know three other people who own a Rolex. My boss, the firm owner, multi millionaire, generally seen wearing a Patek or his Garmin! It's just chucked in his desk draw like an old pack of pens. One of my best friends, has done ok, bought it from an AD just before it got really crazy, I've never seen him wear it. One of my oldest friends, a Datejust from when you could buy one over the counter without question for a month or twos wages for the average man. Judge ye not, or you shall be judged.
Vastly superior at absolutely nothing! Omega is JV and you know it. Bezel Bracelet, Clasp, Dial, White gold indices, History,Movement, Case thickness, Desirability, ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX. Omega is not even as good as Modern Tudors.
My co-axial Speedmaster is in for warranty repair. Brand new out of the box and the chronograph was stuttering... Not a good first impression. While he hopefully gets fixed, I will wear my 124060 that continues to do what he did so far - being reliable and accurate.
own both. love both. but i like wearing the omega better. When I wear the omega i feel like i chose the watch. When I wear the sub, i feel like it's the market's choice, not necessarily mine
Own both too, and prefer the Sub. The Sub is just timeless, and the proportions and comfort are perfect. I would have a hard time choosing between the Speedmaster and Sub though.
Nice and honest comparison from someone that has experience using both of them. They are fantastic watches on their own merits. No need to pick between mom and dad.
I’ve owned the 40mm Submariner for about 9 years, my Seamaster is a little younger. Looking at your video I’m built differently to you and the 42mm Omega looks and feels the right size on me. I dive with both, but only to about a tenth of their rating. No difference in performance. I’ve got a few straps for my Omega but the Rolex stays on the bracelet. If I had to keep one it’d be the Omega. I find myself wearing it more. I guess I won’t be mugged for a Seamaster. If I want an investment I don’t buy a watch.
Both are fantastic watches but pound for pound the omega is a better watch. One of the main reason why people think the Rolex is the best is because they hold there value and the reason for that is supply and demand and Rolex are amazing at doing it. If Rolex flooded the market with stainless steel divers the price of these on the grey market would go down.
It seems your review is based only on how the watch feels on wrist, in which case I agree the Sub feels more comfortable, less heavy and less sharp on the bracelet. However, in terms of the actual watch mechanics I'd have to disagree - the Omega is the better watch (Co-Axial tech, METAS certification, 15,000 gauss etc). The only other category is aesthetics and that's purely subjective. Overall, anyone saying that there is "no way" that the Omega is the better watch is just wrong (for the above reasons). It all depends on what you prioritise and put value on.
Hum… I am almost certain that the Rolex calibres are also amagnetic like the Omega. Both companies developed the amagnetic materials within a joint industry research project… So what Omega has in this respect, Rolex has. Rolex simply don’t push any marketing about it as it does not have to… Now, at this time I much prefer my Omega Seamaster NTTD as it is much lighter than any Rolex Submariner as well as it incorporates a Metas certified co-axial escapement 🤩 The titanium Seamaster should be improved with a titanium calibre incorporating the spirate system…
I own 124060, wanted SMP and tried it. The clasp is horrible, so is the bracelet, the HE knob is annoying, the bezel action is embarrassing, there's AR coating on top of the crystal which defeats the purpose of the theme this watch is going. it's a stupid liability that will get worse with time until you polish it out or baby the watch like there's no tomorrow. The date gap between the dial and the mechanism is deep and annoying, gives off cheap feel they have to work in that direction if it needs to be better from the Sub, because it's not. The 007 version is better in this regard. Anyway, I walked out with a 3861 Sapphire Speedmaster - best modern Omega that is worth owning.
Love the honesty. I’ve had a bond seamaster and the latest seamaster blue dial on a rubber strap. They were great, but every time I wore my sub they felt inferior in every way. No disrespect to Omega but it’s not even close. Nothing feels, wears or works like a Rolex. Also on another note Rolex always test and deploy technological improvements across their references instantaneously. For example when they made the sub 41mm, updated the bracelet size and movement it was done for the whole range instantly. No chance they would cock it up like Omega holding back the quick release straps and spirate system. Let’s not even mention how they updated the speedmaster and had no quick adjust on the clasp. Few months later, chronoscope had it! Pathetic!
Bottom line is I had a 2008 16610ln Sub/ a 2018 116610ln Sub/ a 126610ln sub now from 2021. I also have 116710LN GMT and a 1216710BLRO GMT along with a 2021 black dial Omega Seamaster SMP. What I will say is that all of them are overbuilt tanks that will last a lifetime if worn everyday never taking it off for the rest of your lifetime. My favorite of all of them is the black/black GMT. It wears the best, has the most function, and it truly is a beautiful GADA watch for a lifetime. The Pepsi is great as well, but a little too much most of the time for my lifestyle. The new Sub 41 is too big for most wrists that are under 7.25 inches. Sure they can wear them, but the bracelet and the lug to lug make it look way too big as a daily watch on 75% of the wrists I see it on. The 16610 looks incredible on all sub 7 inch wrists and the 116610ln looks the best on all 7 inch wrists and above. The Omega 300 SMP is the most beautiful case. The perfect lug to lug size combined with the lyre lugs makes it gorgeous on all with 7 inch wrists and above. The issue is I have to wear it on a rubber strap because a non-tapering 90s bracelet looks so out of place. If it came 1mm thinner and on a 3 link oyster style bracelet like on the Planet Ocean it is 100% better looking and truly comparable watch to the Submariner. I am 52 years old and I have always loved the Sub since the 70s but I will say that the best watch in the Rolex catalog is the modern GMT. As tough as the sub in every respect and can go in the ocean everyday up to approx 400 feet. Ultra functional but at the perfect case size and bracelet for all wrists. If it ever gets a micro adjustment clasp it would be the perfect one watch collection in my opinion!!!
aesthetics hands down for rolex sports watch especially all brushed oyster bracelet. but in specs, price, availability & versatile in strap i'll go with omega.
Here is a long list of all the points he made. 1. Sub is more comfortable but you can make the Seamaster more comfortable on a rubber strap. (That’s it) 😂
And she was right…to a certain point. Movt, dial and case back display all are modern and better in the omega. Bracelet on the Sub is superior by far. Marketing on the sub is superior. And resale of Rolex is superior. But if you are to just put the damn watch on and look at it in the year 2024..the omega is better. It’s bold. The Rolex is conservative. I have had the no date, date, even the sea dweller. All great watches but that are all the same watch more or less when looking down at the dial. The old pre ceramic dial seamaster did nothing for me but the new model is beautiful. So for me Rolex for the brain and the omega for the heart lol
Can’t really argue his conclusion while also respecting his approach to the assessment. I mean it could have been simpler by polling 100 people and learning that 100 to 0 would pick the Sub if offered one or the other instantly and for free. We know there would be,for a host of reasons, to include the foray into subjective statements on comfort and provenance many factors in one’s decision. I reach the same conclusion in both mentioned categories, but value, availability, etc are major considerations factored into a purchase decision and in many cases including these factors would result in less than a 100 in a 100 person sample selecting the Sub.
The Submariner is the most iconic greatest watch of all time, wears like a glove extremely accurate and reliable absolutely love mine. I know exactly what he means by you forget it’s on. Built like a tank, thin, the most amazing bezel ever made and the most iconic watch. Great video
@torontowatches9709 All true observations. However, for me the sub lacks the "fun" factor that the SMP has. I've had a sub no-date for about 5 years. Stellar watch. But I stopped wearing it and now I only wear Seamasters and other pieces that I find interesting, like for example the hard to find SKX015 (with original bezel insert and slightly faded vintage vibe).
@@marshalbass7098 Not really- I have the MK 2 KERMIT and its always fun seeing the Green bezel catch different lights. The Hulk is also stunning and fun.
I have the white SMP and didnt choose it over the Sub i chose it over the Speedmaster. The Sub is an icon but it looks generic and is the most copied watch design. Also people will constantly ask you if it is real or fake.
I am questioning if everyone saying they have a sub really do. In my opinion their is no watch brand under 10k that is more comfortable to wear then Rolex. Their case shape and wearability of the oyster bracelet is second to none. Don’t get me wrong I like both the Seamaster and submariner, but Seamaster is more bulky and I would say it’s not as refined. Also submariner is a more versatile watch to wear in my opinion. Also I feel 90% of Seamaster owners really want a sub and as soon as they get the opportunity to buy one do, but you rarely see someone who has a sub first think I need a Seamaster now.
The watch itself (the Seamaster) is great if a bit thick and with the stupid completely irrelevant helium escape wart. If (and it's a big IF) you've got the wrist for it, and by that I really mean over 8". The bracelet however is truly appalling, Omega (eventually) relented and fixed the Speedmaster, why they persist with the Seamaster one is beyond me. I'm pretty convinced 8/10 of Omega fanbois commenting here don't own a Seamaster.
I much prefer the Seamaster NTTD as it is lighter than any Submariner. One day, Rolex may release a titanium Submariner, hopefully all matt… not shiny.
1000% correct. Say what you want about Rolex, there isn’t a single sports watch out there from any manufacturer that beats the Submariner in overall quality, functionality, reliability, and aesthetics.
Rolex got no anti-reflective, lower power reserve, no anti-magnetism, lesser accurate and dated movement... so how is it a better watch than the Omega? The only thing going on for Rolex is hype. Without that hype, it has nothing on the Omega.
So I guess based on your decision, my G-SHOCK Square GW-M5610 is a better watch than the Rolex if it’s just about comfort and forgetting the watches there
Having Owned And Lost 8 Tudors I’m going from an owner’s perspective! The Pelagos is as you well know 💩 💩 💩! It’s at best a homage to the king! Thanks so much for watching and sharing. You can be honest on my small channel😂😂😂
Y'need to get Your head straight, Pally. The World's NUMBER ONE Most Famous Sports Watch, EVER, is The Omega Speedmaster. It IS the World's most Famous Watch! PERIOD! Real Astronauts have worn them & those watches have been to places very few humans have. Where did the Submariner's Cachet originate from? JAMES BOND, who was A FICTIONAL Character. In the IAN FLEMING books, Bond originally wore An Explorer. Ian Fleming also wore An Explorer 1016. The Speedmaster is made by Omega, as are the various iterations of The Seamaster 300. And, you can Buy One! TODAY! All You need to be Holding is The Necessary Folding. No ChickenShit "Waiting-List" Hype. ANY modern Omega Tops any Modern Rolex in ANY Category. Submariner is just A Show Pony! How many of them get wet or go into Space?????
You clearly don’t have much actual hands on experience with both brands. As a matter of fact, based on your absurd comment, I’d venture to say that you don’t actually own any of them. Omega is a great brand, and the speedmaster is an absolute icon, no doubt. Omega has definitely accomplished more, horologically speaking, than Rolex. That being said, Rolex undeniably builds a better watch than omega, period. Pick up a Seamaster 300 and a Rolex submariner 124060. Turn the bezel on both watches. Open and close the clasp on both watches. Put them both on your wrist. There is a clear and obvious difference in build quality and robustness. I have owned multiple watches from both brands over many years, and although I think omega has a more interesting and impressive history as a brand, there simply is no doubt that in modern times, Rolex builds a superior watch.
@@whereRbearsTeeth I am 70 years old. I have owned 4 Omega Speedmasters, including a 145.022-75, which i wore for 22 years. Have YOU ever worn any watch for longer than 22 Days? I still possess 2 Speedmasters. I also posses A Rolex Explorer 14270, which is A Wonderful daily ToolaDellick Ticker! Rolex make A Damn Fine Watch & No Error! But Modern Submariners are just Show Pony Jewellery. I got my first wind-up mechanical watch in 1962 when i was 9, probably before your Father was born! I know my onions, Bunky!
What a breath of fresh air listening to your comparison. I have both and agree with you 100%. I enjoy my Omega but there’s just no equal in divers to The Submariner 124060. And I’ve had other variations of the Sub. Thanks for truth telling. 🍻
@@BrendanBoswellThanks. It’s obvious to me the TH-camr never spent any real time comparing these watches. Everyone knows the bracelet of the Seamaster is notoriously uncomfortable whereas the Submariner glide lock is the best in the industry. That fact alone makes the Sub far superior. That’s what happens when a reviewer never wears the watch and is motivated more by creating click bait. Keep them coming Brendan. TH-cam needs your straightforward insight.
I have both watches and i have to say omega its a better watch pound for pound no doubt about it i can't stop watching my two tone blue seamaster 💪... great content thanks 👍
I have the no wave black SMPC, the white SMP, and just bought the Green SMP 300m ... I cant stop looking at it, I keep taking pictures of it, almost flirting with it 😂 I love my explorer 1, but I would never buy a submariner
Rolex considers everything the customer truly needs making it the perfect go everywhere do anything watch while omega tries to chase what it thinks the customer wants which makes it impractical. Only thing about the sub is I wish they’d make all the shiny ceramic matte ceramic instead. It needs to get back to its tool watch roots it has lost a lot of that charm with all the shine of the bezel and dial
I have owned the sub , seadweller deapsea seadwekker 4000 and Seadweller 43 50th anniversary. And in my opinion rthe Seamaster is the most satisfying and less boring.
The Seamaster is a better watch mechanically, and a slightly higher level of chronometer certification and testing. Having said that…. Seamaster cons: No need for a helium escape valve Bracelet style is outdated No precious metal on the dial Bezel is different to grip underwater Doesn’t retain value like a Rolex Too big for some people Seamaster pros: Takes to rubber strap better than the Submariner The case design is more detailed Less text on the dial You get more for the price No AD waitlist or AD ass kissing needed You can buy one right now at retail You are not looked at as some dickhead More dial options Submariner cons: You can’t get one at an AD Too much text on the dial Awkward lug to case design, limited on strap options. You run the risk of getting robbed for it It’s only COSC certified Few dial color options The price is too much for what it is. Submariner pros: Value retention Precious metal on the dial Best bracelet in the watch industry Best dive bezel functionality.
I have been buying watches since I was 18 years old in 1985. Interestingly enough, even through my teens spent in the Far East between Indonesia and Singapore and occasionally diving with Comex divers during recreational periods, I was never drawn into the Rolex aesthetics. I was at school with kids from Comex divers. So since then I acquired many watches but each time I was presented a Rolex, any Rolex, my reaction was meh… even though I knew the brand reputation. I have never gelled with Rolex aesthetics. Strange, isn’t it ?
Pity the submariner was on the wrist the wrong way round, ruined the vlog a bit, so much for dedication to a lovely watch, more attention to detail needed. I do love both brands of watches though, cheers.
I have them both now, and I forget i'm wearing the Omega as well, but my wrist and forearm are way bigger than yours, that's probably why I'm not noticing it, almost 20 cm around the wrists.
Was eyeing the NTTD Omega, but as I have a small wrist at 5.7inch I couldn’t wear the omega, i can get away with the size of the sub as it doesn’t wear like a 41mm, but logically the BB58 fits me best. The Rolex sub does feels way more comfortable than the omega.
Submariner is a fantastic watch. i owned one until sadly had to sell after covid affected my business. I really miss it but was always a little concious getting mugged! Seamaster 300 tried one recently in Auckland a lot heavier and bigger watch built like a tank. Lovely watch though and if i cant get the sub again i will purchase the SMP 300
Don’t do it! I did the same wasted 1000’s Omegas. Look at The Swiss Link they have a submariner just a bit above MSRP mint they ship worldwide ☘️ if you reach out to me on instagram I’ll get you the Deal Of The Week price from last weeks episode.
the green one, that green oyster perpetual does also look beautiful. For a daily wearer go to the gym, to the do anything watch witch one would you recomend? @@BrendanBoswell
Madness out of both watches pick the one you like, not anything else Its what you think 🤔 no one else And as for sports watch in 2023 it's a Gshock in 2023
I absolutely love my standard speedy, if I remember correctly some of the 38’s are automatic and 15bar so their is that to consider. Appreciate you sharing and watching.
Right on the money Brendan!! I'm exactly like you, I own both and love both but I enjoy my Omega more.. thanks for saying it like it is.. my POV is that Rolex may be the King but the Omega is the ROCK STAR!!🎸 💪⌚️😃🤘
@@BrendanBoswell thanks for your comments, Brendan I also have a Speedmaster Chronoscope Panda 43mm and 12mm in height manual wind on the new adjustable bracelet, and wears smaller then the specs say, gorgeous piece and I love it, but no one talks about it which is wierd to me, would love to hear your thoughts on it.. thanks brother 🙂👍
I have both, they are different, of course Rolex sub stands out, I would, however, say that Seiko on divers have some good pieces, one I have and is a keeper is Seiko 55th anniversary SBEX009 amazing piece !
Totally disagree, i own both newer models and older models of these watches and id pick the seamaster everytime. Rolex only has one thing over omega - the name rolex.
Ok so explain to me why the submariner is 9k and the omega 5k? Rolex do their own ‘in house’ testing (superlative) whereas omega use metas testing. Rolex are very good but omega have them on the ropes. Sorry but your wrong old bean 🤷🏼♂️
Now it’s about money make up your mind is it quality or value. Sadly Rolex wins on both counts. I own 3 Omega’s so I feel confident that they are good watches but no where near as good as Rolex ☘️
It’s about both but quality is paramount for me. The example of cost is relating to that, no making my mind up needed. Is Rolex almost twice the quality of omega - nope. I also own many omegas and many Rolex’s so I also feel able to judge accurately. If you want the name buy Rolex - if you want a better watch buy omega. I don’t feel like we will agree here so no point in continuing to argue - I’m sure we both have better things to do. Good day 👍🏻
... all argument about certain brands or watch is very very very subjective. Some people prefer apple watch as their best watch to eat sleep drink and even attending business meeting. Some use Gshock some use seiko some use Cartier. Watch collecting is very personal and subjective to taste like food. The best according to who? For me the best is still gshock or quartz watches. So IMO no need to fight and force someone to have the same tastebud as you.
Blimey we are all allowed an opinion. Why are you so offended if somebody preferred the Omega? In my opinion Rolex makes better watches than Omega, but so what? Wear what you love, and relax a little....
@@BrendanBoswell sea master 300 25318000 (2004) most ive ever spend on my current watch cwc sbs divers watch issued to special forces they hard to get hold of as and when in stock ..great watch mate
Every dive watch is better than the sub for the only reason you can get them without the need of licking the a.... of an authorized dealer or pay 4 times the price on the black market.......
Great video. I have a Seamaster on the rubber -it’s great (and I forget I’m wearing it). I agree with your comments on this watch on the bracelet. I can’t wait to get the Submariner too… maybe in 2027 I’ll get the call…
Completely agree and after watching the same video she did, the things she compared are ridiculous. Now while I agree the Sub is a better watch, I do prefer the astectics of the Seamaster more. But that's just my personal preference, but even with that said, the sub crushes!
May I ask this: if Submariner’s (which I also have) market value become similar price as Seiko SKX; would your stand still be that strong? I’m not trying to argue or dissuade your current decision; I’m just curious if the popularity value is not in the equation, that’s all… 🤔
For me my love for the sub is not about it value, I have to payed way over retail for my 2007 Sub as I wanted it, I’m also a GS owner! Thanks again for your comment and sharing.
What a dumb question. In what world would a submariner ever be a similar price as a Seiko skx?? Those two watches are literally leagues apart in build quality. They aren’t even comparable. That’s like asking if a Ford Pinto and a Ferrari were the same price, would you still prefer the Ferrari. Absolutely absurd reasoning.
@@whereRbearsTeethHe’s not talking a Sub being the same price as a Seiko, you dickhead. He’s talking about the price reflecting the actual value of the watch, not its RRP. You’re clearly a bit stupid aren’t you? You honestly think that prices of luxury goods have nothing to do with the label that’s on them? Rolex is no exception. Let’s hope that Santa brought you a brain for Christmas this year; you clearly need one.
The sub even gets better when you out it on oysterflex strap…I swapped my bracket out for the summer and I don’t want to take it off granted I have several other Rolexes, Omegas, Cartiers, and Breitlings.
The 60th anniversary is so different it’s a hard one to call. I would rather have a Bond than a Submariner if I had to choose between them I’d pick the bond every time but I still don’t think it’s a betting watch.
@BrendanBoswell I know I know :))))) of course. Even her husband has YT channel. I believe u have mentioned her in past as well, unless it was a different female youtuber that time 😉
@@whereRbearsTeeth i have a seamaster chronograph and i love it but , would love to get a sea dweller or a deep sea one day , i do love the sub but i prefer a larger watch . omegas milled clasp and solid end links on the brosnan era seamaster definately gave rolex something to think about which undoubtedly caused rolex to up their game and create the now superb clasp
@@alexhudson3574 I agree, Omega is probably the main reason that Rolex improved their bracelets. In the 90s omega was producing far superior bracelets and clasps for sure. The tables have turned now though. The oyster bracelet with glidelock clasp is hands down the best in the business. The biggest issue that I have with Omega’s dive watches is the bezel action. It’s absolute trash. I just don’t understand why they put zero effort into their bezels. Even my $1900 Doxa 300t has a far superior bezel compared to Omega.
Respectfully I own the new ceramic sub 114060 and a seamster 2254. And I’m sorry to say the 2254 ref seamster 300 is probably in my humble opinion the best divers watch made
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@@abdulrahmanmalik8650 clearly you do not dive.
The Seamaster bezel cannot be turned in dive gloves!
@fontyyy yes your right, I don’t like 99% of people who wear these watches.
@@abdulrahmanmalik8650 how well do you know these people?
I know three other people who own a Rolex.
My boss, the firm owner, multi millionaire, generally seen wearing a Patek or his Garmin! It's just chucked in his desk draw like an old pack of pens.
One of my best friends, has done ok, bought it from an AD just before it got really crazy, I've never seen him wear it.
One of my oldest friends, a Datejust from when you could buy one over the counter without question for a month or twos wages for the average man.
Judge ye not, or you shall be judged.
Own both. Love both. Omega is vastly superior from a technical point of view.
Vastly superior at absolutely nothing! Omega is JV and you know it. Bezel Bracelet, Clasp, Dial, White gold indices, History,Movement, Case thickness, Desirability, ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX. Omega is not even as good as Modern Tudors.
@@torontowatches9709And you have less intelligence than my dog’s morning shit.
Omega 😊
My co-axial Speedmaster is in for warranty repair. Brand new out of the box and the chronograph was stuttering... Not a good first impression. While he hopefully gets fixed, I will wear my 124060 that continues to do what he did so far - being reliable and accurate.
I prefer Omega, Rolexes are for the masses. Omega is more exclusive.
own both. love both. but i like wearing the omega better. When I wear the omega i feel like i chose the watch. When I wear the sub, i feel like it's the market's choice, not necessarily mine
Fair enough!
Own both too, and prefer the Sub. The Sub is just timeless, and the proportions and comfort are perfect. I would have a hard time choosing between the Speedmaster and Sub though.
Totally agree here
Nice and honest comparison from someone that has experience using both of them. They are fantastic watches on their own merits. No need to pick between mom and dad.
Thanks for sharing, appreciate you watching too.
I don't agree. I know several guys including me having both watches and sub rules.
I’ve owned the 40mm Submariner for about 9 years, my Seamaster is a little younger. Looking at your video I’m built differently to you and the 42mm Omega looks and feels the right size on me. I dive with both, but only to about a tenth of their rating. No difference in performance. I’ve got a few straps for my Omega but the Rolex stays on the bracelet. If I had to keep one it’d be the Omega. I find myself wearing it more. I guess I won’t be mugged for a Seamaster. If I want an investment I don’t buy a watch.
Both are fantastic watches but pound for pound the omega is a better watch. One of the main reason why people think the Rolex is the best is because they hold there value and the reason for that is supply and demand and Rolex are amazing at doing it. If Rolex flooded the market with stainless steel divers the price of these on the grey market would go down.
Pound for pound it’s not in any way. But nice try, if you owned the Sub you’d know your comment is delusional
@@torontowatches9709 I own and love both. The current SMP is better by far.
It seems your review is based only on how the watch feels on wrist, in which case I agree the Sub feels more comfortable, less heavy and less sharp on the bracelet.
However, in terms of the actual watch mechanics I'd have to disagree - the Omega is the better watch (Co-Axial tech, METAS certification, 15,000 gauss etc).
The only other category is aesthetics and that's purely subjective.
Overall, anyone saying that there is "no way" that the Omega is the better watch is just wrong (for the above reasons). It all depends on what you prioritise and put value on.
Yes completely true on all counts, Thank you for sharing.
Hum… I am almost certain that the Rolex calibres are also amagnetic like the Omega. Both companies developed the amagnetic materials within a joint industry research project… So what Omega has in this respect, Rolex has. Rolex simply don’t push any marketing about it as it does not have to… Now, at this time I much prefer my Omega Seamaster NTTD as it is much lighter than any Rolex Submariner as well as it incorporates a Metas certified co-axial escapement 🤩 The titanium Seamaster should be improved with a titanium calibre incorporating the spirate system…
For how much you love Omega, i appreciate hearing the truth. Great as always!!
Sorry I disagree, the Sea Dweller 43 mm for us bigger gents 🤣🤷🏻♂️!
Dance Off!
Own both. Love both. SMP is vastly superior technically. Sub is just cool. Would go for the SMP if pushed.
I own 124060, wanted SMP and tried it. The clasp is horrible, so is the bracelet, the HE knob is annoying, the bezel action is embarrassing, there's AR coating on top of the crystal which defeats the purpose of the theme this watch is going. it's a stupid liability that will get worse with time until you polish it out or baby the watch like there's no tomorrow. The date gap between the dial and the mechanism is deep and annoying, gives off cheap feel they have to work in that direction if it needs to be better from the Sub, because it's not. The 007 version is better in this regard.
Anyway, I walked out with a 3861 Sapphire Speedmaster - best modern Omega that is worth owning.
How is it superior technically??
Love the honesty. I’ve had a bond seamaster and the latest seamaster blue dial on a rubber strap. They were great, but every time I wore my sub they felt inferior in every way. No disrespect to Omega but it’s not even close. Nothing feels, wears or works like a Rolex.
Also on another note Rolex always test and deploy technological improvements across their references instantaneously. For example when they made the sub 41mm, updated the bracelet size and movement it was done for the whole range instantly. No chance they would cock it up like Omega holding back the quick release straps and spirate system. Let’s not even mention how they updated the speedmaster and had no quick adjust on the clasp. Few months later, chronoscope had it! Pathetic!
Would be great for Omega titanium watches to have titanium calibres incorporating the spirate system in titanium too, for lightness.
I still return to this video from time to time. It's just too entertaining and based.
Bottom line is I had a 2008 16610ln Sub/ a 2018 116610ln Sub/ a 126610ln sub now from 2021. I also have 116710LN GMT and a 1216710BLRO GMT along with a 2021 black dial Omega Seamaster SMP. What I will say is that all of them are overbuilt tanks that will last a lifetime if worn everyday never taking it off for the rest of your lifetime. My favorite of all of them is the black/black GMT. It wears the best, has the most function, and it truly is a beautiful GADA watch for a lifetime. The Pepsi is great as well, but a little too much most of the time for my lifestyle. The new Sub 41 is too big for most wrists that are under 7.25 inches. Sure they can wear them, but the bracelet and the lug to lug make it look way too big as a daily watch on 75% of the wrists I see it on. The 16610 looks incredible on all sub 7 inch wrists and the 116610ln looks the best on all 7 inch wrists and above. The Omega 300 SMP is the most beautiful case. The perfect lug to lug size combined with the lyre lugs makes it gorgeous on all with 7 inch wrists and above. The issue is I have to wear it on a rubber strap because a non-tapering 90s bracelet looks so out of place. If it came 1mm thinner and on a 3 link oyster style bracelet like on the Planet Ocean it is 100% better looking and truly comparable watch to the Submariner. I am 52 years old and I have always loved the Sub since the 70s but I will say that the best watch in the Rolex catalog is the modern GMT. As tough as the sub in every respect and can go in the ocean everyday up to approx 400 feet. Ultra functional but at the perfect case size and bracelet for all wrists. If it ever gets a micro adjustment clasp it would be the perfect one watch collection in my opinion!!!
aesthetics hands down for rolex sports watch especially all brushed oyster bracelet. but in specs, price, availability & versatile in strap i'll go with omega.
Couldn't agree more as I have both as well. Only advantages for the 300m are METAS, value for price, and availability.
And the movement. It looks better in my opinion. Both cool watches.
Here is a long list of all the points he made.
1. Sub is more comfortable but you can make the Seamaster more comfortable on a rubber strap.
(That’s it) 😂
What’s got you belly aching?
And she was right…to a certain point. Movt, dial and case back display all are modern and better in the omega. Bracelet on the Sub is superior by far. Marketing on the sub is superior. And resale of Rolex is superior.
But if you are to just put the damn watch on and look at it in the year 2024..the omega is better. It’s bold. The Rolex is conservative. I have had the no date, date, even the sea dweller. All great watches but that are all the same watch more or less when looking down at the dial. The old pre ceramic dial seamaster did nothing for me but the new model is beautiful. So for me Rolex for the brain and the omega for the heart lol
Can’t really argue his conclusion while also respecting his approach to the assessment. I mean it could have been simpler by polling 100 people and learning that 100 to 0 would pick the Sub if offered one or the other instantly and for free. We know there would be,for a host of reasons, to include the foray into subjective statements on comfort and provenance many factors in one’s decision. I reach the same conclusion in both mentioned categories, but value, availability, etc are major considerations factored into a purchase decision and in many cases including these factors would result in less than a 100 in a 100 person sample selecting the Sub.
The Submariner is the most iconic greatest watch of all time, wears like a glove extremely accurate and reliable absolutely love mine. I know exactly what he means by you forget it’s on. Built like a tank, thin, the most amazing bezel ever made and the most iconic watch. Great video
@torontowatches9709 All true observations. However, for me the sub lacks the "fun" factor that the SMP has. I've had a sub no-date for about 5 years. Stellar watch. But I stopped wearing it and now I only wear Seamasters and other pieces that I find interesting, like for example the hard to find SKX015 (with original bezel insert and slightly faded vintage vibe).
@@marshalbass7098 Not really- I have the MK 2 KERMIT and its always fun seeing the Green bezel catch different lights. The Hulk is also stunning and fun.
I want to feel my watch while wearing it....not forget im wearing it...
I also own them both and love them both but agree with your assessment 100%
Appreciate your support and comments.
I have the white SMP and didnt choose it over the Sub i chose it over the Speedmaster. The Sub is an icon but it looks generic and is the most copied watch design. Also people will constantly ask you if it is real or fake.
I am questioning if everyone saying they have a sub really do. In my opinion their is no watch brand under 10k that is more comfortable to wear then Rolex. Their case shape and wearability of the oyster bracelet is second to none. Don’t get me wrong I like both the Seamaster and submariner, but Seamaster is more bulky and I would say it’s not as refined. Also submariner is a more versatile watch to wear in my opinion. Also I feel 90% of Seamaster owners really want a sub and as soon as they get the opportunity to buy one do, but you rarely see someone who has a sub first think I need a Seamaster now.
The watch itself (the Seamaster) is great if a bit thick and with the stupid completely irrelevant helium escape wart. If (and it's a big IF) you've got the wrist for it, and by that I really mean over 8".
The bracelet however is truly appalling, Omega (eventually) relented and fixed the Speedmaster, why they persist with the Seamaster one is beyond me.
I'm pretty convinced 8/10 of Omega fanbois commenting here don't own a Seamaster.
Preference is in the eyes of the beholder…
Well stated. As a owner of a 114060; I agree. Even the NTTD I owned doesn't come close.
Appreciate you for sharing
I much prefer the Seamaster NTTD as it is lighter than any Submariner. One day, Rolex may release a titanium Submariner, hopefully all matt… not shiny.
I had the Hulk and I’ve had to the sea master omega, it’s a better watch, nicer features and they’ve been around before Rolex was taken care
1000% correct. Say what you want about Rolex, there isn’t a single sports watch out there from any manufacturer that beats the Submariner in overall quality, functionality, reliability, and aesthetics.
Totally Agree! Thanks again for sharing!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 What drugs are you on?
That's your opinion
Yes
@brendan boswell what I really want to know is the name of the titanium watch you held up
Titanium World Timer AquaTerra Seamaster
😂 the weight??? Nice one
Agree 100% I own both also - Both are AWESOME but Rolex is still better IMO.
Rolex got no anti-reflective, lower power reserve, no anti-magnetism, lesser accurate and dated movement... so how is it a better watch than the Omega? The only thing going on for Rolex is hype. Without that hype, it has nothing on the Omega.
lower power reserve 😂 Wrong on the accuracy too. Rolex is a better brand, I own 4 Omega’s I should know.
So I guess based on your decision, my G-SHOCK Square GW-M5610 is a better watch than the Rolex if it’s just about comfort and forgetting the watches there
What have you been watching? Casio better Than Tudor Yes Rolex No
Ik like the 300m more on your wrist
I think a G-Shock is better than both. (Runs in the opposite direction😅)
😂😂😂🤔🤙☝️
Not just any G-Shock though, it would have to be the GW-5000U JDM. I'm not a complete savage 😅
So many fake Rolexes
Where?
And?? Why does that even matter if you know you have a real one?
Pelagos ! Just kidding i know you hate Tudor 😬
Having Owned And Lost 8 Tudors I’m going from an owner’s perspective! The Pelagos is as you well know 💩 💩 💩! It’s at best a homage to the king! Thanks so much for watching and sharing. You can be honest on my small channel😂😂😂
@@BrendanBoswell wow 8 ? Which tudors are they besides the pelagos 39 ?
@@goodlifebdgI’ve covered them scroll back through.
Let’s just be honest. Most people pick omega because they can’t get the Rolex.
Y'need to get Your head straight, Pally. The World's NUMBER ONE Most Famous Sports Watch, EVER, is The Omega Speedmaster. It IS the World's most Famous Watch! PERIOD! Real Astronauts have worn them & those watches have been to places very few humans have. Where did the Submariner's Cachet originate from? JAMES BOND, who was A FICTIONAL Character. In the IAN FLEMING books, Bond originally wore An Explorer. Ian Fleming also wore An Explorer 1016.
The Speedmaster is made by Omega, as are the various iterations of The Seamaster 300. And, you can Buy One! TODAY! All You need to be Holding is The Necessary Folding. No ChickenShit "Waiting-List" Hype. ANY modern Omega Tops any Modern Rolex in ANY Category. Submariner is just A Show Pony! How many of them get wet or go into Space?????
Appreciate you taking the opportunity to express your opinion, thanks again for sharing.
Have a look at some of my other videos you might get a surprise!
You clearly don’t have much actual hands on experience with both brands. As a matter of fact, based on your absurd comment, I’d venture to say that you don’t actually own any of them. Omega is a great brand, and the speedmaster is an absolute icon, no doubt. Omega has definitely accomplished more, horologically speaking, than Rolex. That being said, Rolex undeniably builds a better watch than omega, period. Pick up a Seamaster 300 and a Rolex submariner 124060. Turn the bezel on both watches. Open and close the clasp on both watches. Put them both on your wrist. There is a clear and obvious difference in build quality and robustness. I have owned multiple watches from both brands over many years, and although I think omega has a more interesting and impressive history as a brand, there simply is no doubt that in modern times, Rolex builds a superior watch.
@@whereRbearsTeeth
I am 70 years old. I have owned 4 Omega Speedmasters, including a 145.022-75, which i wore for 22 years. Have YOU ever worn any watch for longer than 22 Days? I still possess 2 Speedmasters. I also posses A Rolex Explorer 14270, which is A Wonderful daily ToolaDellick Ticker! Rolex make A Damn Fine Watch & No Error! But Modern Submariners are just Show Pony Jewellery. I got my first wind-up mechanical watch in 1962 when i was 9, probably before your Father was born! I know my onions, Bunky!
It doesn’t matter what kind of watch we are wearing. As long we are happy with the watch we are wearing.😎😎😎
What's so special about the submariner its a plan black watch ?? Why cuz one says Rolex
@@robertwallach550 So boring
Value retention is great on the sub , marketing for Rolex is probably the best in the world. But I much prefer the omega
What a breath of fresh air listening to your comparison. I have both and agree with you 100%. I enjoy my Omega but there’s just no equal in divers to The Submariner 124060. And I’ve had other variations of the Sub. Thanks for truth telling. 🍻
Well said!
@@BrendanBoswellThanks. It’s obvious to me the TH-camr never spent any real time comparing these watches. Everyone knows the bracelet of the Seamaster is notoriously uncomfortable whereas the Submariner glide lock is the best in the industry. That fact alone makes the Sub far superior. That’s what happens when a reviewer never wears the watch and is motivated more by creating click bait. Keep them coming Brendan. TH-cam needs your straightforward insight.
Fellow 124060 enjoyer. I agree with you. By far the best watch in my collection and permanent addition.
I have both watches and i have to say omega its a better watch pound for pound no doubt about it i can't stop watching my two tone blue seamaster 💪... great content thanks 👍
You’re clueless if you think the omega is superior.
He’s entitled to his opinion!
@@BrendanBoswell yes, he is entitled to his “opinion.” But, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t clueless.
My Omega PO destroys both with disconcerting ease.
At being big and obnoxious?
Yes, it does.
@@desireless4092 it's an alpha male watch. A superhero watch. Not for little boys.
I have the no wave black SMPC, the white SMP, and just bought the Green SMP 300m ... I cant stop looking at it, I keep taking pictures of it, almost flirting with it 😂 I love my explorer 1, but I would never buy a submariner
I have a 14060m sub and Im getting pretty bored with it.
Rolex considers everything the customer truly needs making it the perfect go everywhere do anything watch while omega tries to chase what it thinks the customer wants which makes it impractical. Only thing about the sub is I wish they’d make all the shiny ceramic matte ceramic instead. It needs to get back to its tool watch roots it has lost a lot of that charm with all the shine of the bezel and dial
Rolexes are too shiny which I could not wear. I prize discretion.
YOU ARE FORGETTING THE OVER PRICE OF THE ROLEX, POUND FOR POUND OMEGA WINS THE BATTLE
Rolex is the KING!
I have owned the sub , seadweller deapsea seadwekker 4000 and Seadweller 43 50th anniversary. And in my opinion rthe Seamaster is the most satisfying and less boring.
Trying on a gmt master ii at an AD made me fall in love with my SMP even more. The Rolex felt like a toy
The Seamaster is a better watch mechanically, and a slightly higher level of chronometer certification and testing. Having said that….
Seamaster cons:
No need for a helium escape valve
Bracelet style is outdated
No precious metal on the dial
Bezel is different to grip underwater
Doesn’t retain value like a Rolex
Too big for some people
Seamaster pros:
Takes to rubber strap better than the Submariner
The case design is more detailed
Less text on the dial
You get more for the price
No AD waitlist or AD ass kissing needed
You can buy one right now at retail
You are not looked at as some dickhead
More dial options
Submariner cons:
You can’t get one at an AD
Too much text on the dial
Awkward lug to case design, limited on strap options.
You run the risk of getting robbed for it
It’s only COSC certified
Few dial color options
The price is too much for what it is.
Submariner pros:
Value retention
Precious metal on the dial
Best bracelet in the watch industry
Best dive bezel functionality.
Wow, Great Share, Thanks so much for sharing.
I have been buying watches since I was 18 years old in 1985. Interestingly enough, even through my teens spent in the Far East between Indonesia and Singapore and occasionally diving with Comex divers during recreational periods, I was never drawn into the Rolex aesthetics. I was at school with kids from Comex divers. So since then I acquired many watches but each time I was presented a Rolex, any Rolex, my reaction was meh… even though I knew the brand reputation. I have never gelled with Rolex aesthetics. Strange, isn’t it ?
Pity the submariner was on the wrist the wrong way round, ruined the vlog a bit, so much for dedication to a lovely watch, more attention to detail needed. I do love both brands of watches though, cheers.
I have them both now, and I forget i'm wearing the Omega as well, but my wrist and forearm are way bigger than yours, that's probably why I'm not noticing it, almost 20 cm around the wrists.
I tried the Rolex Submariner and it is a fairly heavy watch when compared with the Omega Seamaster 300M NTTD on bracelet…
Was eyeing the NTTD Omega, but as I have a small wrist at 5.7inch I couldn’t wear the omega, i can get away with the size of the sub as it doesn’t wear like a 41mm, but logically the BB58 fits me best. The Rolex sub does feels way more comfortable than the omega.
you cant compare a Omega to a Rolex sub and I have a planet ocean as you know and no Rolex :( Paul.D
You can they are all doing it!
Cuz it definitely is submariner is boring
I heard the No Time to Die Diver is a lot lighter than the normal Diver 300. Is that legit or no?
300M yes it’s lightweight
@@BrendanBoswell thanks man
Submariner is a fantastic watch. i owned one until sadly had to sell after covid affected my business. I really miss it but was always a little concious getting mugged! Seamaster 300 tried one recently in Auckland a lot heavier and bigger watch built like a tank. Lovely watch though and if i cant get the sub again i will purchase the SMP 300
Don’t do it! I did the same wasted 1000’s Omegas. Look at The Swiss Link they have a submariner just a bit above MSRP mint they ship worldwide ☘️ if you reach out to me on instagram I’ll get you the Deal Of The Week price from last weeks episode.
SMP all day every day!
I’m in the market for a first luxury swiss made watch would you recommend the omega Seamaster diver 300m? Great content btw! greetings from Sweden
the green one, that green oyster perpetual does also look beautiful. For a daily wearer go to the gym, to the do anything watch witch one would you recomend? @@BrendanBoswell
Madness out of both watches pick the one you like, not anything else
Its what you think 🤔 no one else
And as for sports watch in 2023 it's a Gshock in 2023
😂
That’s like comparing a bicycle to a Lamborghini
Great video - thanks. What are your thoughts on the Speedmaster 38 v 42? The 42 seems too big for me. Kind regards
I absolutely love my standard speedy, if I remember correctly some of the 38’s are automatic and 15bar so their is that to consider. Appreciate you sharing and watching.
38 isn’t a proper speedmaster. Totally different movement
Right on the money Brendan!! I'm exactly like you, I own both and love both but I enjoy my Omega more.. thanks for saying it like it is.. my POV is that Rolex may be the King but the Omega is the ROCK STAR!!🎸 💪⌚️😃🤘
Well said! Appreciate your input.
@@BrendanBoswell thanks for your comments, Brendan I also have a Speedmaster Chronoscope Panda 43mm and 12mm in height manual wind on the new adjustable bracelet, and wears smaller then the specs say, gorgeous piece and I love it, but no one talks about it which is wierd to me, would love to hear your thoughts on it.. thanks brother 🙂👍
My friend Andy Loves that watch, I just think the Snoopy stole it 💡! I like it. I’d love a white dial speedy automatic with 15bar with the spirate
@@BrendanBoswell I get what you're saying.. thanks for the feedback and keep up the great content.. love the channel 🙌🙂
I have both, they are different, of course Rolex sub stands out, I would, however, say that Seiko on divers have some good pieces, one I have and is a keeper is Seiko 55th anniversary SBEX009 amazing piece !
Totally disagree, i own both newer models and older models of these watches and id pick the seamaster everytime. Rolex only has one thing over omega - the name rolex.
Rubbish 😂😂😂
Ok so explain to me why the submariner is 9k and the omega 5k? Rolex do their own ‘in house’ testing (superlative) whereas omega use metas testing. Rolex are very good but omega have them on the ropes. Sorry but your wrong old bean 🤷🏼♂️
Now it’s about money make up your mind is it quality or value. Sadly Rolex wins on both counts. I own 3 Omega’s so I feel confident that they are good watches but no where near as good as Rolex ☘️
It’s about both but quality is paramount for me. The example of cost is relating to that, no making my mind up needed. Is Rolex almost twice the quality of omega - nope. I also own many omegas and many Rolex’s so I also feel able to judge accurately. If you want the name buy Rolex - if you want a better watch buy omega. I don’t feel like we will agree here so no point in continuing to argue - I’m sure we both have better things to do. Good day 👍🏻
I couldnot agree more, knowing tham iam wearing both right now
... all argument about certain brands or watch is very very very subjective. Some people prefer apple watch as their best watch to eat sleep drink and even attending business meeting. Some use Gshock some use seiko some use Cartier. Watch collecting is very personal and subjective to taste like food. The best according to who? For me the best is still gshock or quartz watches. So IMO no need to fight and force someone to have the same tastebud as you.
Appreciate your point of view, thanks for sharing.
Blimey we are all allowed an opinion. Why are you so offended if somebody preferred the Omega? In my opinion Rolex makes better watches than Omega, but so what? Wear what you love, and relax a little....
I’m not offended at all!
im about to buy an omega sea master my view is id like to feel my watch on my wrist
Which Seamaster?
@@BrendanBoswell omega Seamaster 300m 25318000 my first luxury watch ..
@@BrendanBoswell sea master 300 25318000 (2004) most ive ever spend on my current watch cwc sbs divers watch issued to special forces they hard to get hold of as and when in stock ..great watch mate
@bobshortland3079 go preowned it get a minimum 20%
@@BrendanBoswell yes it is mate
Every dive watch is better than the sub for the only reason you can get them without the need of licking the a.... of an authorized dealer or pay 4 times the price on the black market.......
😂
have both, loving both, wearing 99% the seamaster on rubber...if oysterflex comes one day to the submariner I might change my mind...
Appreciate you sharing.
Great video. I have a Seamaster on the rubber -it’s great (and I forget I’m wearing it). I agree with your comments on this watch on the bracelet. I can’t wait to get the Submariner too… maybe in 2027 I’ll get the call…
Great Comment, Thanks for sharing.
I own 4 seamasters and 1 submariner date. The sub is a better watch. The seamaster in my opinion is the best alternative.
I get it, I’d love a completely new Sea-master 300m with the sword hands ( Better Lume ) Thiner, no date, on a strap!
@@BrendanBoswell lume around the entire bezel would be amazing
Completely agree and after watching the same video she did, the things she compared are ridiculous. Now while I agree the Sub is a better watch, I do prefer the astectics of the Seamaster more. But that's just my personal preference, but even with that said, the sub crushes!
O definitely she just desperate to put something out! I chose Omega over Rolex because I love the look and the design more!
May I ask this: if Submariner’s (which I also have) market value become similar price as Seiko SKX; would your stand still be that strong? I’m not trying to argue or dissuade your current decision; I’m just curious if the popularity value is not in the equation, that’s all… 🤔
For me my love for the sub is not about it value, I have to payed way over retail for my 2007 Sub as I wanted it, I’m also a GS owner! Thanks again for your comment and sharing.
What a dumb question. In what world would a submariner ever be a similar price as a Seiko skx?? Those two watches are literally leagues apart in build quality. They aren’t even comparable. That’s like asking if a Ford Pinto and a Ferrari were the same price, would you still prefer the Ferrari. Absolutely absurd reasoning.
@@whereRbearsTeethHe’s not talking a Sub being the same price as a Seiko, you dickhead. He’s talking about the price reflecting the actual value of the watch, not its RRP. You’re clearly a bit stupid aren’t you? You honestly think that prices of luxury goods have nothing to do with the label that’s on them? Rolex is no exception. Let’s hope that Santa brought you a brain for Christmas this year; you clearly need one.
The sub even gets better when you out it on oysterflex strap…I swapped my bracket out for the summer and I don’t want to take it off granted I have several other Rolexes, Omegas, Cartiers, and Breitlings.
Thanks for sharing. Did you manage to get a Rolex clasp for the rubber Strap?
@@BrendanBoswell used the same clasp from my bracelet the glidelock
Good to Know as I’d still like to get a basic submariner and it on a rubber would be 🔥!
I think the 60th anniversary is better than the sub 😅
The 60th anniversary is so different it’s a hard one to call. I would rather have a Bond than a Submariner if I had to choose between them I’d pick the bond every time but I still don’t think it’s a betting watch.
I think you are delusional
Grand Seiko titan diver: “Hold my beer!”
I don’t get it but thanks for sharing!
@@BrendanBoswell I mean it's a real contender to the two you're presenting in this video. Maybe worth exploring.
Really really curious who the other youtuber is 😊 I am guessing her video was uploaded 2 weeks ago and she resides in EU? 😀
Jenni
@BrendanBoswell I know I know :))))) of course. Even her husband has YT channel. I believe u have mentioned her in past as well, unless it was a different female youtuber that time 😉
@@elrebelde4610they do my nut with their silly reviews
@@BrendanBoswell Nobody should listen to women's opinion when it comes to watches anyway.
which is best is purely subjective !
Not really
@@whereRbearsTeeth i assume that you think the rolex is better
@@alexhudson3574 own both and yes, the submariner is undoubtedly superior.
@@whereRbearsTeeth i have a seamaster chronograph and i love it but , would love to get a sea dweller or a deep sea one day , i do love the sub but i prefer a larger watch . omegas milled clasp and solid end links on the brosnan era seamaster definately gave rolex something to think about which undoubtedly caused rolex to up their game and create the now superb clasp
@@alexhudson3574 I agree, Omega is probably the main reason that Rolex improved their bracelets. In the 90s omega was producing far superior bracelets and clasps for sure. The tables have turned now though. The oyster bracelet with glidelock clasp is hands down the best in the business. The biggest issue that I have with Omega’s dive watches is the bezel action. It’s absolute trash. I just don’t understand why they put zero effort into their bezels. Even my $1900 Doxa 300t has a far superior bezel compared to Omega.
IMO Omega fan boys always hate on Rolex but yet Rolex owners stay quiet. It speaks for itself. Rolex wins all day everyday
I can’t listen to anyone who thinks the seamaster is better than the Sub. It’s serious coping.
The sub beats the seamaster in every category but price