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I'm not American but my eyes fill with tears when I see what was destroyed in those terrible times. The finest transport terminal ever built, anywhere. If the money can be found to replace the lost World Trade Centre then it certainly can be found to rebuild Penn Station not solely for the benefit of New Yorker's but for the benefit of civilization.
Also not an American but I've been to NYC and through Penn Station. I'd not seen how it looked originally until now and although I don't particularly want to go to NYC again as there are so many other places I've not been to, if the station is rebuilt in its original style I'd love to go back to see it. This must happen, and happen soon!
For years I had taken the LIRR into Penn Station when I was younger. One day I saw a photo of a cathedral of Train Station hanging on the wall of one of Penn’s many labyrinth. I asked my dad, who told me it was the old Penn which had been destroyed. Little me was horrified people could do that. The more I have learned, the worse the crime appears. The destruction of that building was a crime against all humanity
Paul Lewis Amen.
oh for crying out loud! REBUILD THE OLD STATION!
Never happening. Too many stupid corrupt people in charge.
As a new Yorker it makes me angry that this was allowed to happen and a bit happy that grand central did not fall to the same fate
@@victorseastrom3455 exactly what Cuomo doesn't understand. He's gutting the old post office next to Penn station and building a modern monstrosity of a station hall
Amen to that. They should rebuild the original MSG while they're at it.
New York is controlled by Liberal Bureaucrats, and they will Regulate this idea to Death
They should undo one of the most terrible architectural crimes in history
rebuild the old Penn soon!
Yes!
WhopBobbaLuBop City and state officials should have been strung up for allowing the original to be demolished!!!
Who else is watching this in 2021 after the opening of the Moynihan Hall?
2023 here
*"Where one entered the city like a god; one scuttles in now like a rat."*
*Vincent Scully on the Demolition of the Masterpiece of the Beaux-Arts style and one of the Architectural Jewels of New York City, the Old Penn Station.*
Vincent Joseph Scully, Jr. (born August 21, 1920) is Sterling Professor Emeritus of the History of Art in Architecture at Yale University, and the author of several books on the subject. Architect Philip Johnson once described Scully as _"the most influential architectural teacher ever."_ His lectures at Yale were known to attract casual visitors and packed houses, and regularly received standing ovations.
They should rebuild the old Chicago Northwestern terminal in Chicago as well!!!!
All I want in life is for the original Penn station and the Singer Building to come back
Totally agree. 3rd grade class trip to Penn Station was magical. Took a train to Philadelphia from Penn. Shortly before demolition.. Loved every minute .
Yes! Penn station, The Singer Tower, and the adjoining City Investment Building, which stood on the same block. All.of these masterpieces, were replaced with mediocrity, and overbearing ugliness.
Rebuild it as it was....It is the only thing that will heal that scar....Anything else will probably be reviled, cursed, and never accepted by most..Avoid the controversy and redesign plans and the cost of that..Just take out the original plans and build it.....
It's the same as notre dame cathedral, people overwhelming prefer the original vs proposals for redesigning the roof. The artist are dreamers, but the majority will always prefer the original.
@@ThePTBRULES it was already decided..the original will be reconstructed, lead roof, spire and all.
@@sluzardo5879 That what I'm referring too. I'm so glad that they didn't try to do anything else.
Yea well they are not rebuilding it. Just fixing Penn Station up a little and fooling us all. So sorry.
@@CoxChiropracticAustin quite obvious ..i see no marble ..
We went thru Penn Station in November 2018 en-route Ottawa Canada (Rail) to London (Atlantic via Queen Mary II and Rail Southampton to Waterloo, London). How sad Penn Station was, down point of the trip. Waterloo London on the other hand is magnificent. Surely a station with this history in a City like NY has to be restored to some sort of occasion gateway.
It would be cheaper to build a new, modern station.
@@astralwerks4 wouldn't look as nice
I have only visited New York once. I took the train into the new Penn Station and was totally underwhelmed. I can't even imagine what it would have felt like to be greated to the city in the glory of what was such an iconic structure as the old station.
I for one am all for the rebirth of this historic Train station I am a proud New Yorker (live on L.I.) and in awe over that old Penn Station it’s sad it was demolished the year of my birth can’t say enough and show my gratitude for this project. I hope all goes well
The original was so beautiful ! I'm all for modern or futuristic buildings but that one was not a smart choice! I love to see this building restored! The current building is a monstrosity.
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I hope one day Penn Station is rebuilt as it was and that I can get a chance to see it. When I first found out about Penn Station, it wasn't in a history class from my youth, it was in adulthood through a documentary on Amazon Prime video. The documentary didn't begin with how the station had been demolished, it simply started with explaining how the great building and it's railways came about, when the film finally got around to saying the station had been taken down in the 60s, I felt rage and deep sadness. I had been thinking about how much I wanted to see this grand building, I thought I'd uncovered a marvel somehow never mentioned to me. Give us the chance to experience a piece of history that never should have been destroyed, rebuild the station!
Rebuild the Original Penn Station and undo such crime
The cost to rebuild Penn Station as originally constructed would be more than offset by its future value to the City of New York and the nation.
Dear New York,
We can never forgive you for what you did to that grand station of our Commonwealth's namesake just to build that monstrosity in MSG.
Signed,
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
See the documentary "The Rise and Fall of Penn Station". Fascinating. It's on Amazon.
This building was so beautiful that pieces of it can be found on public exhibit in the heart of Kansas City's Crown Center! Meanwhile in New York, we got a disgusting rathole we call the "new" Penn Station. Now they are out to destroy the old Farley post office to make it "cute and modern" for a railroad
If you look at google maps in NJ around the seacacus station you may see remains of the station out in the sunlight. When I look now though I can’t seem to find them. The railroad dumped their own masterpiece on the edges of their own property. I wonder what kind of condition most of the big blocks are in. When they demoed it they didn’t care about saving the blocks for future use.
I can’t tell you how awesome it would be to rebuild. The east side of the station could be changed to match the west side. Or build skyscrapers on the east side to pay for the project. Just keep the look of the original and set the skyscrapers back from the perimeter. Originally that side had offices I think. I wonder why they didn’t build a tall building from the get go. The Pennsylvania RR did build the giant hotel that does sit there to this day. Across seventh ave.
Another random thought. The Pennsylvania RRs good friend the HandM railroad which we call path today ends a block away on 6th Avenue. I think it would be perfect if they would turn the tracks to run in the basement of the hotels block and end the trains facing penn station in a four platform station. As far as I know the sixth ave trains run below the path trains at this station. Which would allow them to turn. Either this idea or run the path trains further north to 42nd Street. Right now there’s a long passageway that I think was designed for the train to run in. Bringing path to 42 would be great for people going to Newark airport. It would be easier than taking LIRR as it’s hard to find a seat and or the train just crawls the entire way to Jamaica station.
rebuilding penn station would be an incredibly popular tourist attraction. And money maker. I wonder if it would be cheaper to rebuild than a modern station. Especially if they can reuse the foundation. Even if they skimped and left many columns exposed instead of covering with real stone would be better than nothing.
Too much politics would be involved today. Do remember that these were all once competing railroad companies at that time.
Having the original penn station rebuilt would be a dream come true! In other words.....REBUILD PENN STATION OR I WILL LOSE ALL RESPECT FOR NEW YORK!!!!!! (And it’s where I live)
They did a beautiful job with the renovated post office. Moynihan Train Hall may not be the original, but it is a worthy tribute with it's own history and impressive look now. Video also says it only will server 20% of the passengers, originally it would be for Amtrak only. The plans changed and it will serve both Amtrak and the LIRR, handling a much larger load. I think with the East Side Access project it may serve some metro north trains as well.
No it only serves Amtrack.
I pray that can actually happen
They rebuilt the Berlin palace. It would be lovely.
People are asking for the station to be rebuilt . Even if it is rebuilt it will be only a LIKENESS of the original . The original is gone and can never be replaced .
So? And If they did rebuild it (which they won't but I digress) they would probably use as many original elements as possible which still exist
At least the majestic Eagles were saved. Four sit on the Market Street Bridge right outside 30th Street Station.
1:21 This LINCOLN CONTINENTAL 462 V8 1967 is still running today in the Netherlands
If you can build it, than we can visit it. Hope to soon walk into the new Penn Station and take a train to any place in the United States. It will be a big project for the entire country.
Rebuild it!!!
Rebuild it. If the ruins of Dresden can be ressurected after the fall of the Berlin Wall, We can surely Bring this welcoming beacon back and heal wound that is still ever present today.
With the blueprints and the original artifacts that can be recovered it is possible.
I had no idea that Penn Station used to look grand. Shame on those who destroyed it.
It should never have been demolished in the first place. They should have taken the original Penn station and improved upon it over the years, Alexander Cassatt & Charles Kim are probably smiling somewhere now, and I'm sure were devastated in 1963. FLY NAVY!!!
One less war in Syria and Pen station can be rebuild.
Just like Rome...
It's not as simple as this. The whole attitude towards rail in America is all wrong. There need to be both the political will AND the business will. With neither, it won't happen. With just one, it won't happen. With both, it COULD happen.
@@johnperic6860 How do you think the subway would have been better off if it remained private? They were losing a ton of money by the 1940s, had they not been centralized into the NYCTA, they most certainly would have cut tons of unprofitable services. If the subway was privatized now, then the same thing would happen.
It's the same as notre dame cathedral, people overwhelming prefer the original vs proposals for redesigning the roof. The artist are dreamers, but the majority will always prefer the original.
i love the Moscow comparison
If they do build it like the original, I would visit NY just to see it.
You can rebuild that station all you want (and it should be rebuilt) but without new Hudson tunnels its all for naught......we are standing on the edge of the great 21st century transit abyss.
Chris Christie killed the project. He left office with an approval rating in the teens.
@@johnperic6860 Penn station and the Hudson river tunnels are not related with the "metro system".
None of the proposed designs or the current Moyihan Train Hall in any way restore the Pennsylvania Station that was lost. I'd even be happy if small but important details were brought back in reproduction. I'd be thrilled if they'd exhume some of the stone buried in New Jersey. There seems to be a fear of delving into the true lost design and architecture of this gigantic 1910 station. I often imagine that it is still there when I am standing over the original stairs still leading to the original platforms. I look up and through the dismal low ceilings.
"A monstrous act of vandalism"..how about pointing out those that promoted its demolition and who helped push it along.
Can we also rebuild Ebbet's field and bring the Dodgers back to Brooklyn?
4:37 I believe the Prussian imperial palace was reconstructed in Berlin with was demolished during the Cold War but the. Rebuilt recently it’s now the humbolt forum
Just think; the most magnificent building in NYC was replaced by the outright ugliest building in NYC ; Madison Square Garden. Pathetic
They really should've just kept the glass concourse. Demolish everything else, there's just enough room for the arena itself, but they could've at least kept the glass concourse!
Yep
Not only should it be brought back
But those responsible should pay for it!
@@johnperic6860 that is not correct. Penn Central (successor of Pennsylvania RR) went bankrupt in 1970 and dissapeared of RR operations in 1976.
Sports can be played anywhere, but trains go only to one place. Penn Station.
REBUILD ORIGINAL DESIGN! Nothing less. This is the only way to redress the monumental act of destruction perpetrated in the 1960’s.
It's name was PENNSYLVANIA station.
I commuted from Rye to Grand Central Terminal over 30-year period Jacqueline Onassis was instrumental in bringing the revitalization of the terminal back. It's a terminal because no trains go beyond that point. There is a Grand Central Station that is a post office. The constellation ceiling is reverse as if you were on the other side looking down and there is a tile in the ceiling that when they renovated the building left dirty it's in the upper left hand corner facing the train platforms.
Is it the new Pennstation idea to use that old mail office across the way is the new station head house
Somestimes "New" is not necessarily "Improved" Rebuild the old station but make it to fullfill tomorrow's needs.
they just approved to renovate it... and restoring it to the original beauty would only cause $4.3 billion. but they just wasted $6 billion to renovate it to be more modern.
3:10 it's almost like they're mocking you with that picture in the new penn station
Grand Central Station has glass floors too.
@Micah the Nerd Saxophonist The catwalks along the big window in front were glass to allow sunlight through.
They will never pay for it and it wouldn't be built anywhere near the same quality or beauty.
Wrong sparky announcer. As the Railroad was called the Pennsylvania Railroad, so too the station was called Pennsylvania Station. The old song Chattanooga Choo-Choo by the Andrews sisters named it correctly in the lyrics. Only post wrecking ball was it changed to Penn Station. The old Pennsy, the standard railroad of the world as its publicity claimed, was dead. Penn Station rightly described the underground fire trap/vermin pit left behind. Now 2021, it is partly but only partly redeemed in the D.P. Moynihan train hall across the street.
What a Crime the destruction in 1963
Arte solo arte ..solo perfección en diseño
In 2029 it will be bigger and better and wider and taller it will have millions of train tracks below bringing in trains from every City across the country
Hmmm, I don't think any one of those bloodsucking billionaires will pay a penny, but you will... right? ;-)
an rebuild station wpuld never be the same as the original station....
This brings tears to my eyes that there is a chance to rebuild the statian
Why are we incapable of rebuilding in classical styles, for fuck's sake
Not likely, that would be extremely expensive.
4:22 PLEASE DO THIS
Where are the paintings of the original Penn Station from?
I believe they are from a book someone wrote and illustrated. I forget the name, but I found it in another Penn Station video.
Probably dumped in a landfill with stone carved angels. It’s just an abomination what happened in the 60’s to this magnificent monument of human achievement.
Suspension is just like reborn from Phoenix
On my last trip to NY I found that the locals all hate the current Penn Station but I doubt any new construction would match the grandeur and awe of the original building. Hopefully I could be proven wrong ?
REBUILD IT
I’m not a fan of NYC but this would be great.
They didn't put in much work into finding an alternative to tearing it down. Surely there are those who would have liked to rent out the space for business and events. Sad they tore it down.
I hope you can do it, but the cost will be incredible?
The cost would eclipse that of most skyscrapers. Penn Station took up two whole city blocks.
NOT
Yep. Between 7th and 8th avenues, and between 31st and 33rd streets. 32nd didn't go through; Pennsylvania station was there as well as the Post office.
I mean they say that about Michigan central station and look what happened. may not be a train station anymore but.
this is what Bezos should spend his $10 Billion on--- fixing the 'climate' of New York City!
How did we let that happen? I share Paul Lewis's thoughts....As far as money goes, look how much money and how quickly it was raised after the Notre Dame fire in 2019...It can be done!!!!
Yes, Rebuild the original and with the addition of the post office area that would add so much space and organization. But like Grand Central and the old Penn Station make the trains available from ramps with an information booth in the middle. The present penn station is an organized mess. Look at Grand Central and the orginal station and put common sense back into -how to get to trains. Instead of the rat race madd dash to trains. They can grab the granite from the ground where it was dumbed in Jersey. Wow.
Salvaging granite from the Meadowlands is as ridiculous a notion as converting MSG into a ginormous train shed.
Scuttle that as you lurch through 100 year old Hudson River tunnels.
(BTW ... 1955 was a very good year. 🤠)
So that meant they were wanting to tear down the Garden?? Never gonna happen.
I don't know which is worse, the present Penn Station or Madison Square Garden which sits atop it. Both are just uncomfortable and wretched.
They are both equally awful. Absolute garbage. The two form a giant toilet bowl.
Read "Conquering Gotham" by Jill Jones.
I did, and it is fascinating. The North River Bridge project, Alexander Cassat's decision to build Penn Station, buying up the Tenderloin District & getting all the permits to build, digging the tunnels, etc. An engineering feat that rivals the building of One World Trade Center and the WTC Transportation Hub today.
The cost to rebuild the old Penn Station will be astronomical, and who's footing the bill??
I agree 100% but I don't think it will happen although I would love to see Penn Station rebuilt in the spirit of the original. They need to relocate the Main Post office across the street which half of that building is wasted space and use that space to construct the New Penn Station. It sits on the foot print of the tracks as well plus people will raise hell if they try to demolish Madison Sq Garden.
there is one who look like this near the new station
Tax Money isn't wasted on the Military, it's wasted on Entitlements
Welfare and Freeloading is 70% of the National Budget
Rebuild Penn Station and let Mexico pay for it.
@@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8 They BOTH need to be cut. Most military spending is a complete waste.
Rebuilding the old station is a nice idea but Madison Square Garden sits on the site...what are they going to do? Move it? Tear it down?
@AR R Madison Square Garden was renovated five years ago at a cost of over a billion dollars. You're fucking nuts if you think it is going away anytime soon.
@@rylandspencer, you're falling for the sunk-cost fallacy. Just because a bunch of money was spent on it recently doesn't mean having it hanging around is economical if it's losing you money.
There is an ornate post office next door to MSG. It sits over the tracks. They will be mostly moving the train station into the post office building.
Hope
Well just let me know where I can sign
You can donate to the project and write to political leaders listed on the website!
How? Madison Square Garden is already there.
That is a piece of junk that can be easily demolished.
They would most likely move Madison Square Garden to a new centralized site. I was just in NYC 2 weeks ago and that Arena is really awful looking from the outside. Most stadium designers would probably say it has outlived its usable life too. Probably the oldest NBA arena in the country at this point.
There is room to lift the ceiling to a degree in Penn Station.There are no plans to move MSG sadly.
Tear that god ugly thing down!
MSG contract is ending soon n they have plans to relocate to a fancier stadium or what have you.
Does that mean getting rid of MSG?
G. Lee
Yes. Believe it or not, MSG has yet to pay a cent of tax on the prime land that they occupy.
IMO, the hard-working New Yorkers deserve a majestic train hall more than upper class snobs and annoying tourists deserve an entertainment venue.
Yes! Please
No problem ! Billy Joel can fill MetLife or Yankee stadium. And the rangers and knicks are garbage so there is no reason for msg
what is gonna suck about this new station is that it will be a playground for lirr. amtrak and new jersey transit will have little to no use of it, and will continue to scuttle underground
1900: A.J. Cassatt: Lets build tunnels under the Hudson River by hand!
2015: Crist Christie: "Building a tunnel under the Hudson River with state of the art technology is too hard!
To think it all most happened twice. Jacquie Kennedy I believe was a huge supporter of a Grand Central. Given the current a China Virus what better time to undertake a massive construction project. It would surely become one of the biggest tourist attractions not to mention the value to New York residents. Oh how I wish.
This travesty was the reason the National Register of Historic Places came to be, thank god.
America is a wealthy country, it could easily afford to rebuild it exactly as it was.
how stupid and idiotic to destroy this station. stupid people with ridiculous ideas. no stylke and architechture.. restore this to its former glory and give us a station to be proud of with historic importance and style
Soooo where do you put MSG? It's not like Manhattan is overflowing with spare land. Plus MSG is probably the most legendary arena in the world now in its own right, even if the Knicks do play there.
@@johnperic6860 Not a sports or music fan I see
MSG is an ugly hatbox. Does nothing for the cityscape. Pennsylvania Station must be rebuilt as it was to right a monstrous wrong. Will become a great tourist attraction and huge money maker for the city.
@@sw5114 The more I've thought about it over the years, the more I realize that while old Penn Station was impressive, it wasn't innovative. In a city where space is at a premium a building that takes up 2 whole blocks should probably be productive, innovative, and impressive. Old Penn only ticked 1 of those boxes while MSG ticks 2. Its innovative(for the time) and very productive.
I can't help but compare old Penn to Grand Central and realize that while Grand Central was never nearly as grand as Penn as a station building, its usefulness and innovation are off the charts, plus its plenty grand compared to any other existing station building anywhere. Modern engineers still study its design and use Grand Central's layout as a template for modern train stations and airports 110 years after it was built.
It would be cheaper to build a new modern station.
Exactly. Which is why it's a pipe dream to get it rebuilt
Wonderful idea but....... our so-called political leadership can't even agree on whether or not to construct a DIRELY needed second rail tunnel route under the Hudson into Manhattan. Asking them to consider rebuilding Penn Station is an exercise in futility.
Maybe then the CRNJ Main Line can finally get midtown direct service at rush hour
And in its place they put that abomination of humanity madison square garden.
They didn't build that . tartarian architecture..
It's a pity that people are so indifferent toward architectural masterpieces when greed comes into play. Absolutely incomprehensible. Unfortunately there are more examples of such barbarity all over the world. It is worthy to mention Grand Magasin "Dufayel" in Paris or Crystal Palace in London. Another story is tremendous amount of demolished buildings in Warsaw, for example Kronenberg Palace, probably the most luxurious private building ever existed in Poland, which stood in reasonably good shape till 1962 when commies decided to tear it down, to make room for hunk of junk also known as Sofitel Victoria Hotel. Humanity, what's wrong with you? Fortunately there is consolation in knowing that many reconstruction movements spring up across the world such as RebuildPennStation, or Saski 2018, dedicated to Saxon Palace and Brühl Palace, and similar one in Budapest for Main Guard and Riding Hall or in Berlin, where reconstruction of Stadtschloss is taking place at the moment. Greetings from Warsaw and hope we will enjoy our reclaimed heritage in the near future.
Guys. You don't explain how you'd GET RID OF MSG in order to restore it. Is that your idea? Because unless that goes away, you can't gain the sq footage or sunlight that would achieve your goal. Unless you go into details about this, you're just being vague little children with no real plan.
What a load of baloney. This magnificent building was obviously ancient. Our real history has been obscured and demolished.
Why didn't they turn it into something else and and keep using the building?
it was privately owned by Pennsylvania Railroad, and they were going Bankrupt
That will never happen, sad to say. And commuters deserve to scuttle. The fact is, despite its length, Penn Station underground is efficient, and is actually still the original station. Being even further from Seventh Avenue, on the other hand, is quite a problem for Amtrak passengers. If there was an underground shuttle of some kind, like electric trams for passengers, that would help.
It's name was "pennsylvania station"