The Wihtwara. The rediscovered people of the Isle of Wight. Jan Harper Whale
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- The Wihtwara has now been published by Amazon. This wonderfully crafted documentary by Bamboo Roots gives an introduction to the first of a trilogy of books honouring, for the first time, an extensively researched and verified history of an entirely forgotten race of people, our Ancestors who lived on this sacred island over 2,700 years ago. They lived, grew and were dedicated caretakers of the land, who were slaughtered in 686 by Caedwalla of Wessex who sought kingship, Bretwalda, to become king of kings. The genocide was almost total, and in its wake, Caedwalla brought Christian people from the mainland to replace a now extinct Pagan population. Aided and abetted by Wilfred, the ethnic cleansing was brutal and devastating. The Longstone witnessed the worst battle and the echoes remain in the ancient stone for those who are empathetic and adept.
Fascinating - a branch of my family migrated to Canada from IoW in the mid 19thc. I will be visiting the IoW in May of 2023. I will try to find the Longstone.
The isle of white looks so incredible!! Need to go travel there :)
Yeah it is a beautiful Island... Let us know if you come and we could meet up :)
The person who disliked this is pure ignorance.
What book is the speaker reading from ??? I've been visiting the I o w since 1946 often several times a year. I would love to know more of its history. Thanks. Warren
interesting video, thank you. please tell me, what is the music playing in the background??
Elena Johnston Remember who you are
My last name is Whitney, & found it means “from the Isle of Wight”. Since, I have been trying to discover the history of that name and this island.
What is the music in the intro friend?
You used my poem on your website which you translated into Anglo Saxon (thank you). I have a number or similar material which I can pass on to you - perhaps via the Wight Druids website. I interpreted the word "Walh" (as in King Aethelwalh - in Brian /Bates "Way of Wyrd") as "foreigner" as in "Welsh", but maybe your interpretation is more likely. Also King Alfred's IOW ancestry can be traced via his father's line to Arwald's sister (unnamed) who was married to the King of Kent, ancestors of Egbert.
interesting
Alfred was said to be descended from the goths through the wihtwaran line which was interesting, the inhabitants of the isle of wight were jutes, who probably were related to the geats/goths if not being one of the 2.
@@stonedape2406 I think you have some Christian propaganda here. The AS Chronicle & I think, the Vita Wilfridi say that Wilfred was given a quarter of the IOW after Caedwalla had exterminated the inhabitants. Christian apologists like Alfred's biographer Bishop Asser claim this meant he saved a quarter of the population from death. The more obvious meaning is that he was granted possession of a quarter of the land area. This was measured in hides, being the area sufficient to support a family, allowing the 2 terms to be confused. Asser says that Alfred's mother was from the IOW (owning Arreton Manor) & was a descendant of the Jutes (Goths) & so he united the genes of all 3 tribes of Angles, Saxons & Jutes. Asser was writing 250 later & I suspect this is untrue.
However, King Egbert of Wessex (Alfred's paternal grandfather) was descended (through a cadet line) from Wihtred of Kent, whose mother was the sister of King Arwald & survived the genocide through being in being married to the Jutish King of Kent at the time. Unfortunately her name has not been recorded. That said I have written a poem about her. (follows)
LAMENT OF THE QUEEN OF KENT.
I sit in the draughty halls of Canterbury,
Watching, spinning and listening.
Across the green fields and the forest oaks
The black crows and ravens call
Their tidings of ill-omen.
The small waves and the ocean's rolling pebbles
Weep sighs of consolation where I am silent,
Bitter and crying with unspoken tearfulness.
Across the gannet's rolling kingdom
The cormorant and the shag glide
Away to the swan's riding in the creeks
Where Caedwalla's ships came.
And where my people lie,
Their blood & bones as one
With soil and the white cliffs
Red with their deaths.
Where shall I fit in this world now that
I am the last of them?
My son, carefree
Trains to be a soldier - Only his name betrays his blood.
And my name none shall ever know.
(Mark Francis)
@@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT but you do agree with the geatish/gothic relation to the jutes? Which was my point.
Here is the list of evidence I have gathered :)
.Alfred the great is said to descend from the Goths in his Mothers side through the whitwarans Dynasty, the old jutish pagan nobility from the Isle of Wight. The Jutish inhabitants of the Island were known as the Wihtwara, or people of wiht. ‘Wiht’ means something a long the lines of human-like, or humanoid- relating to the etymology of Gautar.
. In Beowulf, the Geats are associated with the Jutes. The Geats are said to went back to the old country (Sweden) to help with fighting the monster, they probably either came from England or Jutland.
The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle mentions Geotas, referring both to the Jutes and Geats. From this it seems that they probably were a seperate tribe but were pretty related.
.The name jutes may have came from either Etuna or Gautaz, related to goth, and ‘Geat'is said to be a corruption of Goth.
.The jutes who settled south east hampshire were known as the Meonware, literally meaning the Meon people. ‘Meon' could be connected to the Island of møn in denmark, proto norse speaking and close in proximity to the Geat's territory. It has been claimed Meon relates to the Meon river, but there are several objections to this brought up by Timotheus Clericos:
1: There is no mention of the name pre-Jutish settlement
2: The word doesnt look celtic in etymology
3: If they were to name themselves the ‘people of' it wouldnt make sense they would use a name unconnected to them.
4: old maps show another Mon nearby the Isle of møn.
.one of the gothic historians says that Gothi, Getae, and Guthi are names for the same people, so that there can be no doubt that Guthi, or Jutes, were of the same race as the Northern Goths.
From Wilcuma there is an interesting point on the relation of myths between the Jutes of Kent and the goths:
‘Bede tells us that the Jutes under Hengist and Horsa came to Kent in three ships, and of this there was no doubt a tradition current at the time. As it bears a remarkable resemblance to a gothic tradition of older date, we may perhaps see it another gleam of light connecting the Jutes with the Northern Goths. The old Gothic story speaks of the migration of people of three tribes of that race from Scandinavia to the eastern side of the Baltic Sea. It tells us of Ostrogoths, Visigoths, and Gepidae, (Kemble3) who passed from their old homes in Scandinavia across the Baltic in three vessels. In this case it is clear that, as the migrating people were of three tribes, the traditional number was made to correspond to the number of the tribes. Similarly, in the Kentish tradition the number of vessels may have been repeated from age to age to the time of Bede, and have had its origin in people of three tribes having been among the settlers.’
There is also a connection of the gavelkind tradition found in Kent as well as other Jutish occupied lands.
“A parallel in custom may be found by comparing the law of Kent with the Jutish law of King Valdemar II. In the thirteenth century, both of which contain the provision that the son, in reference to the property of the deceased father, shall be considered of age in the fifteenth year. This usage, though on the one side in accordance with Danish laws, and on the other valid among the socman in other parts of England, is probably not derived from the Saxons, but is rather to be referred to theimmigration of the Jutes.(5) Such a comparison also assists the evidence, which tends to show that the numerous socmen were of Scandinavian rather than of Saxon origin. Among other early privileges of Kent was the custom of freedom from ordinary distress. There was a Kentish process of `cessavit`, under which, if a tenant with held from his lord his due rents and services, the custom of the country gave the lord a special process for the recovery of what was due to him.(6) A somewhat similar custom of freedom from ordinary distress prevailed in London in very early time, and in a few parts of the country. Where rents could not be recovered by the ordinary process of distress they were called `dry rents`. The value of the comparison of these customs become clear when it is remembered that the ancient Visigoth law prohibited distress,(7) and these Visigoth settlers in Western Europe probably brought it from their Northern home, As it was common alike to the Visigoths, the people of Kent, and those of London, it supports the evidence that the Jutes were mainly Goths, and that people of this race settled in sufficient numbers in Kent and in and around London to insure the continuance of one of their customary privileges”
Widow inheritance rights of getting half in gavelkind compare to a quarter in Saxon culture finds parallels in the Gothic law.
Runes found in East Kent also support this:
“The most important of them are those discovered on two stones at Sandwich. These were fixed monuments, and the inscriptions must therefore be identified with the people who live near them. These monuments could not have been brought from Gothland or any other Northern land, as personal ornaments with old runic inscriptions could. Stephens( 11) says: `These are evidently heathen stones. Such stones would not have been erected after Kent was Christianized - say, A D 600 at latest. They could not have been raised over dead Vikings, for the High North by this time cast aside the old Northern stave, adopted the Scandinavian alphabet, or futhorc.` This opinion from a known great writer on runic monuments is valuable as showing that the runic letters on the Sandwich stones are old Northern Gothic, and not the later Scandian ; that these monumental inscriptions are pre-Christian, and consequently of a date not later than the end of the sixth century. This discovery, proves the settlement of Northern Goths on the east coast of Kent. As the runic monuments have been discovered chiefly in the east of the county, it was presumably there that the Goths mainly settled”
.Also, the square headed brooch style is common in east kent, the isle of wight and to a degree in east Anglia. They are relatively rare in anglo saxon england whilst being common in scandinavia. The findings in east anglia possibly relates to the Wulfingas, a ruling scandinavian dynasty.
Gaullic ironworking was a common practice before the fall of the roman empire, and was picked up and preserved ironically by the visigoths/geats, and a lot of these artifacts are found in east kent and the isle of wight, an example being a Frankish helmet found on Chessell down dating to the early 500s in age. This could be from frankish influence on kent however.
There existed the Laetas of Kent, who were said to be of 3 classes of freemen. This tradition is found in north germanic Scandinavia, and was probably brought over by the Jutes.
There are north germanic words found in the isle of wight, south Hampshire and Dorset dialect that could not have came from later norse influence, due to their geographic isolation in the heartland of wessex at the time. These words like ‘dwell' may of came from the jutes.
There is also evidence of ties to currencies:
‘The Kentish shilling differed greatly from those of Wessex and Mercia. It was much more valuable, and the weight of a Roman ounce of silver, or 576 wheat grains.(27) this was the same as the Scandinavian ora,(28) which was divided into smaller silver coins, eachone-third of its weight and value, called the ortug, weighing 192 grains of wheat. This latter was of the same weight and value as the Greek stater f the Eastern Empire.’
‘Sceatts and scillings are mentioned in the Kentish laws, the sceatt being a small silver coin of a value somewhat equivalent to the later penny. In a fragment of Mercian law which has survived sceatts are also mentioned.(26) In the early Northumbrian metrical translation of the Book of Genesis, which is ascribed to Caedmon in the seventh century, the word sceat is used for the passage in which Abraham declares he would take `neither sceat ne scilling` from the King of Sodom. Sceats and scillings are mentioned in one of the Northern Sagas-`The Scald`s Tale`-so that sceatts must have been known in the North of Europe, the original home of the Goths. That the coin was in use among the people of this race is shown by its name in the translation of the Gospels made in the fourth century by Bishop Ulphilas for the Maeso-Goths, who had migrated from the North and settled near the lower course of the Danube. In the passage `Show me a penny,` the Latin word denarius is translated skatt in two instances. Its occurrence in the Kentish laws thus points to Goths, and the use of a similar name in Mercia and Northumbria indicates a Gothic influence.’
Bollox.
I am a pagan and i am a historian. I really really wish that people would stop trying to spin history to give weight to pagan paths.
It is completely unnecessary - our pagan ancestors needed no "evidence" or reason to follow their path - it was just a part of their being.
I follow no organised neo-pagan path for this reason. Paganism is part of my being. A true pagan doesn't need this pseudo-historicity.
This lady is spinning history to suit her agenda. There is historic fact here, but it is also mixed with poor research - discounting sources that don't suit her conclusions whilst focussing on sources that do - along with pure supposition presented as fact.
For instance there is NO documented evidence that the Devil's Punchbowl or Devil's Chimney had anything to do with Woden. It may of course, have been the case, and anyone is entitled to believe it is the case, but please don't pretend it is "fact".
Also you state that the true history has been "suppressed" - it hasn't in any way. It is there for anyone to find who cares to look, just as you have. That isn't suppression, it is just little known because people don't look.
Lastly the Old English word "wahl" doesn't mean "guardian of the stones". At all. "Wahl" is what the Anglo Saxon people called the Britons who were here when they arrived. It is the origin of the name "Wales" and "Welsh" and the surnames Whale, Welsh, Walsh, Welch and Wallace. The closest we can get to giving a meaning to the word is "foriegner".
I have no issue with your presentation of your pagan beliefs for of course, I agree with the sentiment but, by manipulating history and facts to suit those beliefs you are guilty of peddling propaganda in the same way Christians have been doing for two thousand years.
By manipulating facts, you are starting paganism on the path of "organised religion", a standardisation of half truths, propaganda and myth that is taken by the populace as "truth".
Paganism is about finding your own personal path, not about people evangelising. That is when one person's path begins to influence that of others. That was never the pagan way.
I urge people who have watched this to undertake their own research and discover the actual history of what Jan talks about as she has fallen victim to the same failings as Gildas whom she derides - bias. I am not blaming her for that, it is an easy trap that many amateur historians fall into - they find the facts they want to find and then stop looking. Worse, they discount things they saw previously that don't fit with favourable evidence. It's like a judge convicting the man found with the bloody knife in his hand without first exploring all other possibilities.
Do your own research and come to your own conclusions by exploring as many sources as possible. Also follow your own pagan path, that is the true pagan way.
absolutely based
Wiht in latin means ' Lever ' . I believe the Romans used The Isle of Wight as a ' lever ' , a place to ' launch ' their invasion .
Sorry but "Wiht" does not mean anything in Latin because "Wiht" is Old English - a completely different language.
"Wiht" is the Old English approximation of the Latin word "Vecta" ( pronounced in Latin "Wecta"). It is probable that "Vecta" in turn was the Roman approximation of whatever name the pre-Roman Celtic people called the Island (a name lost in time).
Although "Vecta" meant "lever" in Latin, it probably doesn't actually have any relevance other than happening to be the Latin pronunciation of a Celtic name.
Sadly, the Isle of Wight Council's own website gets it even more wrong by claiming that "Wiht" is a Celtic name!
Jurgen Spanuth postulated the Holy island in the ocean was Heligoland since even Vikings would not raid this island.
interesting...i will search that........we are the shining ones
St Caedwalla's Day 20th of April. Adolf Hitler's birthday. Coincidence?