Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example On why MCs and DJs sample 'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands That's what hip-hop was, it still stands The records we use are from mom and pop's collection Find a break from a dope selection And go to the store, then buy one more So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said "We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us Man, you still be home with arthritis! If we didn't revive em, bring back alive Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive You'd be another memory to us Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
Everybody complaining about RZA's actor, but the whole reason he talk that way is because RZA wanted him to talk like how monks talk in old kung fu movies.
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material. I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
i agree , i dislike when they try to use samples on trap or those ratchet shitty beats that have that sound like a sprinkler , thats why i like boom bap .
@BIGZphillybirdfan if you think about it also with RZA he sampled those awesome Kung fu films like the 36th chamber of shaolin or five deadly venom's or the several samples used on liquid swords from shogun assassin's not a lot of people would know about those films if it wasn't for wu tang fr they're very niche films
That dude didn’t even make sense He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
I understand why people get made at sampling and why people have a disdain for it but let's be honest I can only speak for myself but when I hear a sample on a rap song I usually seek out the sampled material like in ice cubes "it was a good day" I fell in love with footsteps in the dark which is sampled or in regulators by Warren g I spin the song sampled on that daily so when you think about it it exposes more people to the sampled material
People who hate sampling are just the average egoist and miserable person that is unwelcoming of change or difference. The point of samples are to take already made music and derive more creativity and sound within it. Your perspective is nice but it's worthless for the actual topic at hand.
@Godloveszaza my perspective isn't worthless to the topic at hand you are right that the point of a sample is taking the source material and transforming it making something new from it it also exposes people to the original material also and yes most artist who get in a uproar against sampling are whiners and egoist who don't see that it exposes more people to their music
In a few years we'll be having the same argument of producers ai-generating their sounds and being called fake for it, but whatever find the balance of quality & quantity in a new world like ours.
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
Instead hating, he could have approached it different and been on some of those classic records. made money for life. Hiphop made so many artist and musician’s millionaires.
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
I feel like sampling is similar to referencing different authors and their work in an academic research paper, dissertation, thesis. As long as the owners of the sample are acknowledged through benefiting financially from it's use, then i see no problem with sampling.
Sampling really is making music. You're taking another person's work and turning into a whole songs with different pitches, automation, sounds and other instruments to make it something completely different. I see the people's argument about not being able to play an instrument but sampling can be used an instrument
ok well rap wouldnt exist without sampling. the whole point is that a beat creats a certain rhythm and mood and allows a rapper to express that one mood to their full capacity
And the old guys point was maybe show spme respect to the people that your whole genre wouldn't exist without. If you rely on other peoples talent to make your art, they should get a significant cut of your profits.
@@JonLordsMustache the respect is using the music to make more music that people appreciate and will eventually find the original song through the sample. not everyone is into jazz or soul anyways so you should glad anyone uses your music for anything at all really. also royalties
Back in the 90s brothers were sampling a lot of old 70s albums and at least at the beginning a good number of the artists of those records had some resentment, but it was mostly how the record labels would distribute the money for the sample usage.
Up until the Biz Markie case there were no rights reserved for those who were sampled. It was that case that allowed those artists to get paid for the use of their music. At the time we thought it was going to end sampling completely especially with the Turtles suing De La Soul and effectively taking all proceeds from 3 Feet High and Rising. In the end sampling still lives on, but the downside is the cost to sample a song has risen and is subject to the original artist or label agreeing to its use and depending on the content of the track they might easily say no and cost a lot of time and money for the artists involved. Sampling law and history is a wild tale, the fact that it still lives on is a testament to how compelling it is to make something new out of something old.
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
One thing that irritates me about people like this. is the fact that most of these people more than likely have never bought any of these artists music. Or they have not supported these artists in like 20 years. And they have the nerve to get mad at someone sampling they music and getting them a check. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ppl who drag sampling as lazy have never tried to fit a 5 second chop into a drum break for weeks on end. Its like woodworking or oil painting. It takes time and patience, and a lot of starting over from scratch. I play drums, a little bass, banjo. Ive been in bands for years, written a bunch of songs (nothing special lol). There is nothing more challenging for me than making a beat from samples.
Well said, my friend. Sure, anyone can sample audio and loop it, but taking pieces of a song (or multiple songs) to create another song takes time and patience. On top of that, it has to make sense to the ears of your listeners. But, before any of that gets accomplished, you have to learn how to work the equipment. Nothing lazy about it.
people still use live musicians, you give up less percentage from an interpolation of a song than the actual sample of a master recording, the clearance from an interpolation comes from the composer (publisher) instead of the label or owner of the master recording, thtas why dr dre went from just sampling g-funk on the chronic to getting musicians to replay the melodies on doggystyle.
@@83dudeHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry. What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique. Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks. Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
After watching this video and having been a fan of HipHop since the early 90’s. I think the main obstacle of difference between being a “musician” and a person that makes beats is the fact that the machines the beat maker uses is referred to, marketed as and sold under the name sampler. If an MPC (for example) was sold as an instrument for sampling, because let’s not forget that it takes a trained and or creative ear to understand and make a connection between two different songs entirely. I’m not referring to drums and a bass line. I’m referring to the untrained ear, acknowledging the same key or chord used in a song. And that same ear hearing that same note or the harmony of that note in another song. And not just sampling and placing them one after the other, but theorizing prior to buying, leasing or sampling the two separate pieces of music, how they could both be woven together to create a brand new melody. That is how I approach guitar, drums, bass and keys. I was never trained nor have I had a single lesson. But having grown up on a variety of genres, my brain acts like a sampler and knows what, where and when I should play something.
Doeant make any sense. RZA says "i can hire someone to play the instrument". Then guy says "youre putting muaicians like me out of work" and hes mad RZA doesnt play instruments himself.
right after the guy says "but you dont" great job watching the video and not just talk talk talking just talking a lot and not thinking or watching anything great work just talking a lot dude
Cmon man. The Sopranos, The Wire, Oz, Malcolm In The Middle, Charmed, Special Unit 2 and Smallville werent that bad. Its more like these new cheap netflix shows.
Coming from someone who's literally a fan of hip hop and grew up listening to the wu, this shit isn't it... I feel ghost face 100 percent when he said, "I never watched that shit" s/0 to RZA tho..
@@Goldminebeats i still dont see why, this would be a great way of showing us how they did tingz with more detailz plus it would be more accurate cus this isnt it 😭😭😭😭
What people dont understand about Samples is if its never sampled then people would forget most music existed. Samples keep a lot of old artists relevant.
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
I discovered many great artists like steely Dan,Bobby Caldwell,the Isley brothers and Ronnie laws from hip hop samples,it is really a good way for people to be introduced to new artists or genres they haven’t heard yet.
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
Gonna copy paste what I wrote to another guy: Warhol was not an artist (in my opinion). He was a photocopier with a reputation. There is nothing artistic about that and it does not measure up to even my lowest standards. A KONIKA or fujitsu photocopier does the same thing. Same goes for "sampling". I like RZAs taste in music the same way I like what the algorithm recommends to me. Doesn't make the algorithm deeply artistic, even if the algorithm "makes bank".
This scene brings me back. My father, RIP. He worked and ran Jon’s just play music in Chicago in the 1960’s. He sold to all the up and coming bands and artist. Such as Chicago, Styx, Ides of March, American breed, Buddy Guy,REO Speedwagon, the list goes on. My father taught me the industry from a young age. He also taught guitar and played in a band that did weddings and high school dances and proms. Until 1970, my father knew his draft number was coming. By 1971 he enlisted in the Navy and was in Vietnam from 1971-1973. In 1974 he married my mom and put music aside to raise a family.
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
Personally Rza's down fall as a sought after producer like his contemporaries are.... keep the non sampled issh for his own stuff.. keep the Wu-Tang issh vintage RZA... his ego
Unfortunately, music is treated like a job rather than an actual art (yay economics). You don't _have_ to learn how to play the instruments you are lifting, sampling, what have you. And fighting over who is a "real" musician just invalidates somebody else's work bc of short-sightedness. Snobbery doesnt get you anywhere either, bc you think you're better than someone based on an arbritarily valued skill someone else can dunk on you for. Sampling is instrumentation, but in a new way. Learn how to sample is a skill much like learning the guitar. A controller IS an instrument, full stop. You build your knowledge of music theory using a sampler/controller, and theory is also part of culture too. Hip hop from Black musicians/producers came from urban life, social situations, discrimination, prejudice, generational trauma... but also values coming from your family and those surrounding you. Paying musicians to play on your project is also an industry standard. Session work is a real and valid thing to do, and some famous musicians are/were/did session work. And without hip hop, sampling wouldnt have been used and widespread. Just another way to do music. Both the geezer and RZA are musicians. Not one or the other.
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
He handled the situation pretty well, funny how samples could have bad reputation when they sometimes just enlight the best part of the song and make it even better
"That's not RZA" and "this not real Wu" my brother in christ, RZA created the show. I blame it on him and the producers, I think he focused too much on the wrong things getting this show to the finish line. Ashton Sanders is not some bum actor, this sounds like he's being forced to deliver the lines how a director wants not like he just sucks at playing the character.
@@5thHouse obv ik its a script, i thought what you meant by your comment was that you thought the dialogue was to show that RZA didnt know what a guitar was
@cigarpringles1890 the script was written to imply unfamiliarity with a slide guitar. Bad writing made the line, "Slide what?" Instead of "a what?" Or "what's that?" Or, "I've never seen a guitar that looks like THAT", for example. It's just bad writing cuz it sets up the character to look dumber than they need to in order to establish the savant angle.
Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example
On why MCs and DJs sample
'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands
That's what hip-hop was, it still stands
The records we use are from mom and pop's collection
Find a break from a dope selection
And go to the store, then buy one more
So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said
"We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us
Man, you still be home with arthritis!
If we didn't revive em, bring back alive
Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive
You'd be another memory to us
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
I said It best when I said "rap is not music, it's just some guy talking over music" the cringiest rap is the new York stuff,
Yeah I get it but that doesn’t make it right no matter how you rap it
@@duderistdude6466 excuses!
If people flipping samples puts you out of business you're not a good musician either lol
said perfectly.
@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatPro no I wouldn't, I'm actually a musician myself, I'd be happy if someone sampled my work, as long as I get my royalties.
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
scolastic and iindividualistic approach to music but ok.
Everybody complaining about RZA's actor, but the whole reason he talk that way is because RZA wanted him to talk like how monks talk in old kung fu movies.
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
It's like kensugi
Great analogy!
@@freakyfred8366 This is the PERFECT way to describe it. I love it seriously
Damn, I should use this analogy from now on when someone says sampling isn't art. lol
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@@rrrrrrrrrRrrrrrRRRhahanah they came flockin to my shit too and I ain't pay for shit
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I was 19 when I bought Enter The Wu-Tang 36 Chambers. Now almost 31 years later it's still one of the best albums I've ever bought.
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material.
I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
they steal, and they steal because they cant do it themselves, deal with it
@tommybillyjack5051 Innovation is often born out of restriction and necessity
Hip hop is lame and always will be, it's easily my worst genre
@@83dude why the fuck you watching a hip hop video if you hate it so much then 🤔🤣
@@83dude Listen to Sing about me then
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
Well said
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i agree , i dislike when they try to use samples on trap or those ratchet shitty beats that have that sound like a sprinkler , thats why i like boom bap .
You defending sampling but bashing mumble rap is stupid. If sampling is allowed so should mumble rap.
@BIGZphillybirdfan if you think about it also with RZA he sampled those awesome Kung fu films like the 36th chamber of shaolin or five deadly venom's or the several samples used on liquid swords from shogun assassin's not a lot of people would know about those films if it wasn't for wu tang fr they're very niche films
That dude didn’t even make sense
He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
Nah he said “he could hire someone” to play it for him if he wanted to hear it- but doesn’t need it.
"I could hire someone"
"Yeah problem is you don't"
The reply makes sense, he's dismissing his "I could" to make the point that he doesn't.
lol as if he was ever in work ain’t nobody care about him
Damn, I can’t believe they had a film crew there to document this. Respect
I understand why people get made at sampling and why people have a disdain for it but let's be honest I can only speak for myself but when I hear a sample on a rap song I usually seek out the sampled material like in ice cubes "it was a good day" I fell in love with footsteps in the dark which is sampled or in regulators by Warren g I spin the song sampled on that daily so when you think about it it exposes more people to the sampled material
Me too
It went from a creative form of musical collage to just ripping off an entire Elton John verse and adding I'M THE MAN, I'M THE MAN" to the end of it.
@@bigbillywillysgrandadventu7737 which songs are you talkin bout? The Elton John song and the song that sampled it
People who hate sampling are just the average egoist and miserable person that is unwelcoming of change or difference. The point of samples are to take already made music and derive more creativity and sound within it. Your perspective is nice but it's worthless for the actual topic at hand.
@Godloveszaza my perspective isn't worthless to the topic at hand you are right that the point of a sample is taking the source material and transforming it making something new from it it also exposes people to the original material also and yes most artist who get in a uproar against sampling are whiners and egoist who don't see that it exposes more people to their music
that og was actually showing love and RZA credits him for influencing him to learn music theory
Music always evolves and the generation before hated just the generation before them the cycle continues
In a few years we'll be having the same argument of producers ai-generating their sounds and being called fake for it, but whatever find the balance of quality & quantity in a new world like ours.
bro is mad at bro for hiring musicians and creating jobs.
“For hiring ‘other’ musicians” . If it was him offered that job he’d change his jaded tone quick 😆
@@gillroygarlic3616 Yepp, that's true, the oldhead would be fake as hell
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
@@shutapp9958 not in rap. Very few rap albums have live instrumentation or original arrangements especially from the east coast.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
Funny cause now a drum machine MPC is considered an instrument in it's own right
lol no
lol yes
@@omnibusification
ArabMusic is a great example of this
Got proof?
@@morreddie717watch any MPC finger drumming video and you'll see what they mean
Old guy didn't realize years down the track people are gonna search samples of where they come from to give them props
nobody noticed he just walked off without his stuff
Music stores usually walk it out to your car for you
How is he out of work when RZA literally just said he'd pay him?
Crate digging is an art.
Willie Mitchell ain’t complaining. He eating good.
If sampler was available in 1700, probably Bach too would like to use it to make music
Where there's a successful black hip hop artist, there's 1000 black hating mf'ers ready to bring him down.
--DMX, probably
This actually happened. Rza never heard the word "guitar" before then.
Instead hating, he could have approached it different and been on some of those classic records. made money for life. Hiphop made so many artist and musician’s millionaires.
RZA's argument was wack as well though. Mo Money My G = Bigga Artist xD
Sampling is an art form in itself
It is there’s this group on Facebook that breaks down the samples used in the songs. How it’s separated, slowed down, sped up, rearranged that’s skill
if you cant play an instrument it makes sense that sampling would seem artistic to you
Taking a dump is considered artwork too
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
@@reddotdao also I tell anyone who doesn't believe it is an art form to listen to Entroducing by DJ Shadow a sample masterpiece
I feel like sampling is similar to referencing different authors and their work in an academic research paper, dissertation, thesis. As long as the owners of the sample are acknowledged through benefiting financially from it's use, then i see no problem with sampling.
Sampling really is making music. You're taking another person's work and turning into a whole songs with different pitches, automation, sounds and other instruments to make it something completely different.
I see the people's argument about not being able to play an instrument but sampling can be used an instrument
Me still bumpin Wu in 2023 also says different
2024 🙌💯🔥
This seemed to bother RZA more than this scene allows.
“A slide what?” The line makes it seem like RZA never hear the word guitar before. Such cheesy writing/acting 🤦🏻♂️
Fr tho
“A slide guitar” ain’t common known but ok L take
Yeah it wouldve made better sense for him to say "a what guitar?" Lol
I feel Ike you’re overthinking it lol
@@C4LBHitmarkers idk bro his choice of words made it seem like he didn't understand what a guitar was
ok well rap wouldnt exist without sampling. the whole point is that a beat creats a certain rhythm and mood and allows a rapper to express that one mood to their full capacity
Biiingooow! As a kid living in Far Rockaway, I wrote my first rhymes to oldies my mother used to be playing.
And the old guys point was maybe show spme respect to the people that your whole genre wouldn't exist without.
If you rely on other peoples talent to make your art, they should get a significant cut of your profits.
@@JonLordsMustache the respect is using the music to make more music that people appreciate and will eventually find the original song through the sample. not everyone is into jazz or soul anyways so you should glad anyone uses your music for anything at all really. also royalties
Funny how people never seem to question Rick Rubin, David Geffen, or Jimmy Lovine (3 mega producers who don't play instruments) in the same way.
That's probably because they're white.
What's this an acting class, dreadful.
They couldn’t of gotten someone with a closer resemblance to RZA ?
"a slide what?" (rza never heard the word guitar before)
That's just bad writing.
RZA is so afraid of that word after the Guitar Center incident that even the guy portraying him can’t even say it
Nah it was just his first time hearing about it.
It is a fact that many, many Rza tracks take samples from Willie Mitchell. But if it wasn't for RZA I'd of never discovered Willie so.....
I'd have* never
Back in the 90s brothers were sampling a lot of old 70s albums and at least at the beginning a good number of the artists of those records had some resentment, but it was mostly how the record labels would distribute the money for the sample usage.
Up until the Biz Markie case there were no rights reserved for those who were sampled. It was that case that allowed those artists to get paid for the use of their music. At the time we thought it was going to end sampling completely especially with the Turtles suing De La Soul and effectively taking all proceeds from 3 Feet High and Rising. In the end sampling still lives on, but the downside is the cost to sample a song has risen and is subject to the original artist or label agreeing to its use and depending on the content of the track they might easily say no and cost a lot of time and money for the artists involved. Sampling law and history is a wild tale, the fact that it still lives on is a testament to how compelling it is to make something new out of something old.
@ I didn’t know that. Thanks for the jewel.
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
Well done, you know what literally means... unless you usually metaphorically watch movies.
@@Hellwyck Behave yourself
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
The thing is they’re both right in a way.
I cant get passed the fact that that actor was chosen to play the RZA😂😂😂
Yea there like zero resemblance
@@richtenamore9718doesn't even talk or act like Rza either
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
He is a good actor but ya he doesn't really look like rza
Yall should also peep LZA n TZA if yall like hip hop n rap
if people wanna go with the take "if you sample, then you're not making music" then my take is "if you don't sample, then you're not making HIP-HOP"
facts
100% agree. those piano beats are soulless
oofah
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
And that's the beauty of it because of the samples, I got into the other artists catalogue.
Idk about others but I liked all the actors and the show is very inspiring in my opinion. I think this kid is a great actor.
One thing that irritates me about people like this. is the fact that most of these people more than likely have never bought any of these artists music. Or they have not supported these artists in like 20 years. And they have the nerve to get mad at someone sampling they music and getting them a check. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
My man just looking for a job, but he going about it the wrong way.
Ppl who drag sampling as lazy have never tried to fit a 5 second chop into a drum break for weeks on end. Its like woodworking or oil painting. It takes time and patience, and a lot of starting over from scratch. I play drums, a little bass, banjo. Ive been in bands for years, written a bunch of songs (nothing special lol). There is nothing more challenging for me than making a beat from samples.
Well said, my friend. Sure, anyone can sample audio and loop it, but taking pieces of a song (or multiple songs) to create another song takes time and patience. On top of that, it has to make sense to the ears of your listeners. But, before any of that gets accomplished, you have to learn how to work the equipment. Nothing lazy about it.
people still use live musicians, you give up less percentage from an interpolation of a song than the actual sample of a master recording, the clearance from an interpolation comes from the composer (publisher) instead of the label or owner of the master recording, thtas why dr dre went from just sampling g-funk on the chronic to getting musicians to replay the melodies on doggystyle.
this is so bad its like watching something they'd show you in school about not doing drugs
the idea thats somebody would still be able to create good music without being able to play it manually really upsets some people I see lol
Rap is not good music, it's just some guy talking over "beats" that's All it is
@@83dude when's your record coming out then? Don't speak on something you don't understand just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap
@@gregc7699 so I can't criticise anything? Great mindset 🤡
@@83dudeHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry.
What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique.
Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks.
Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
sampling is an art in itself. not just anyone can make the method man beat.
Is exactly. Its akin to a conductor and composer
After watching this video and having been a fan of HipHop since the early 90’s. I think the main obstacle of difference between being a “musician” and a person that makes beats is the fact that the machines the beat maker uses is referred to, marketed as and sold under the name sampler.
If an MPC (for example) was sold as an instrument for sampling, because let’s not forget that it takes a trained and or creative ear to understand and make a connection between two different songs entirely.
I’m not referring to drums and a bass line. I’m referring to the untrained ear, acknowledging the same key or chord used in a song. And that same ear hearing that same note or the harmony of that note in another song.
And not just sampling and placing them one after the other, but theorizing prior to buying, leasing or sampling the two separate pieces of music, how they could both be woven together to create a brand new melody.
That is how I approach guitar, drums, bass and keys. I was never trained nor have I had a single lesson. But having grown up on a variety of genres, my brain acts like a sampler and knows what, where and when I should play something.
At least bro at guitar center selling gear and getting his😂
If your making music it's music dosnt matter the style or the way you made it so long as that hits deep and you can vibe n move your feet.
Christ, this was actually aired? It's like something you'd find in the depths of Tubi.
Doeant make any sense. RZA says "i can hire someone to play the instrument".
Then guy says "youre putting muaicians like me out of work" and hes mad RZA doesnt play instruments himself.
Okay come and play on our next album would be the next logical piece of the conversation
short cuts and industry money ends in warm sugerfree koolaid.
@@jonesconrad1assuming he plays the guitar the way RZA wants
right after the guy says "but you dont" great job watching the video and not just talk talk talking just talking a lot and not thinking or watching anything great work just talking a lot dude
@@jonesconrad1why hire him when he's showing disrespect for RZA's creativity? He can stay unemployed with that attitude lol
The interesting thing is they’re both right.
Truely all about perspective
Love Wu Tang but the acting is horrendous. Sounds like a early 2000’s soap opera
Cmon man. The Sopranos, The Wire, Oz, Malcolm In The Middle, Charmed, Special Unit 2 and Smallville werent that bad. Its more like these new cheap netflix shows.
@ do you know what a soap opera is?
@@proSTLb Drama shows?
@@HeihachiMishima48 no. Terrible acting for old audiences.
Coming from someone who's literally a fan of hip hop and grew up listening to the wu, this shit isn't it... I feel ghost face 100 percent when he said, "I never watched that shit" s/0 to RZA tho..
The 3000 was release 2 years before Liquid Swords. It ain't new. LOL.
There also weren’t red nord electros floatin around back then either haha
it was new to him. these comments are crazy yo.
I know this is probably how rza really talks but the voice was sooo annoying for the whole show
Why couldnt they just use the real rza
@@cossoccocsoctoo old
@@Goldminebeats i still dont see why, this would be a great way of showing us how they did tingz with more detailz plus it would be more accurate cus this isnt it 😭😭😭😭
Fr, just sounds so forced. Adaptations don’t have to be a 1 to 1
RZA specifically said he wanted Ashton to play him because he has "the eyes of an artist who doesn't give up" or some shit
What people dont understand about Samples is if its never sampled then people would forget most music existed. Samples keep a lot of old artists relevant.
"Rap brings back old R&B, and if we would not, people would have forgot"
@@straightlead8 nobody cared about those songs until Rza brought them back. People are silly.
@@darnelljones9849 th-cam.com/video/2kdQ4soLcac/w-d-xo.html
Ain't that the truth
@@MorganBoykin it's a lot of music that's Sampled that we wouldn't ever think about listening to. And I mean ever.
And this is why celebrities request to temporarily shut down stores whenever they go in to shop. What a jerk.
He was known but he was far from a celebrity at this time. Remember Hip-hop wasn't even the leading genre in the mid 90s
He could have just shown his musical skills to RZA, instead of hating like that
And get credited along the way
Right there in the music lmao
Actually, later Rza ended up hiring him and they’re best friends now.
TMthe33rd you don't understand how movie's/TV work do u knucklehead?
"Slide guitar"
- "Slide WHAT?"
lol.
The music industry put musicians out of the business. Has nothing to do with Rza or any other hip hop producer
this acting is so unserious
😂😂😂😂😂
No only the RZA actor is bad
And the Academy Award goes to... none of these actors.
Whoa, I had no idea this show existed. This was trippy to watch with no context.
lol. Lucky u
@@newagain9964 how is he lucky ??
@@yOGlobecause he gets to watch it now fresh.
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
I discovered many great artists like steely Dan,Bobby Caldwell,the Isley brothers and Ronnie laws from hip hop samples,it is really a good way for people to be introduced to new artists or genres they haven’t heard yet.
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
Mpc 3000 is classic! Man I want one so bad
just so you know as someone as used it for a while it's a pain in the ass to learn but when you master it it's kind magic 💫
MPC 2000 I would love to have but that shit is money 😞
@@91Definiteget a job bum
@@SergioMartinez-el8kg get off my dick migo
@@91Definite 2000s are the cheapest. I got one for 500 bucks
How funny, this man is lugging a cart of equipment around the store behind him.
shit, I'd carry it all back to RZAs house to if he asked.
@ 🤣
this script makes no sense
"i hire guitarists and they get paid with points"
"YOU PUTTING MUSICIANS OUTTA WORK"
what??
he was sampling old records instead of hiring musicians to compose new music. sampling was big in hip hop at the time.
Is Andy Warhol not a real artist because he lifts images from existing media?
Great comparison
Gonna copy paste what I wrote to another guy: Warhol was not an artist (in my opinion). He was a photocopier with a reputation. There is nothing artistic about that and it does not measure up to even my lowest standards. A KONIKA or fujitsu photocopier does the same thing. Same goes for "sampling". I like RZAs taste in music the same way I like what the algorithm recommends to me. Doesn't make the algorithm deeply artistic, even if the algorithm "makes bank".
This guy was the worst actor they could’ve gotten
Which one? They were all bad.
Yeah it's a shame what they did
Lol sounded nothing like rza
Ye he didn't even attempt to do the RZA's Brooklyn accent. I think he only landed this role because Moonlight was so acclaimed.
I would lose my mind seeing an uopened 3000 box. You kidding me!!!!
Nah geezers refusing to adapt is what puts them outta work lmao
Gheezers want to get paid ..
They don’t want the next generation to lose out on the best joys in life.
This scene brings me back. My father, RIP. He worked and ran Jon’s just play music in Chicago in the 1960’s. He sold to all the up and coming bands and artist. Such as Chicago, Styx, Ides of March, American breed, Buddy Guy,REO Speedwagon, the list goes on. My father taught me the industry from a young age. He also taught guitar and played in a band that did weddings and high school dances and proms. Until 1970, my father knew his draft number was coming. By 1971 he enlisted in the Navy and was in Vietnam from 1971-1973. In 1974 he married my mom and put music aside to raise a family.
R.I.P 🌹
God bless
That braid cap aint shit😂
RZA doesn’t sound like an African DMX.
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
every single actor is doing terrible
How tho?
That's how RZA talks in real life
@@emenesu no it aint...and the way this white boy and the other dude is talking is just bad acting
Personally Rza's down fall as a sought after producer like his contemporaries are.... keep the non sampled issh for his own stuff.. keep the Wu-Tang issh vintage RZA... his ego
Anyone can play music
Only artists can shape it
They def rushed season 2 bro what's this 😭
Unfortunately, music is treated like a job rather than an actual art (yay economics). You don't _have_ to learn how to play the instruments you are lifting, sampling, what have you. And fighting over who is a "real" musician just invalidates somebody else's work bc of short-sightedness. Snobbery doesnt get you anywhere either, bc you think you're better than someone based on an arbritarily valued skill someone else can dunk on you for.
Sampling is instrumentation, but in a new way. Learn how to sample is a skill much like learning the guitar. A controller IS an instrument, full stop. You build your knowledge of music theory using a sampler/controller, and theory is also part of culture too. Hip hop from Black musicians/producers came from urban life, social situations, discrimination, prejudice, generational trauma... but also values coming from your family and those surrounding you.
Paying musicians to play on your project is also an industry standard. Session work is a real and valid thing to do, and some famous musicians are/were/did session work. And without hip hop, sampling wouldnt have been used and widespread.
Just another way to do music. Both the geezer and RZA are musicians. Not one or the other.
Big difference between a musician and a producer.
Yea but do you even know it? Can you discern which one would be the greater "artist" ?
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent. Prince comes to mind when it comes to playing and producing. ... J
you are speaking to mostly ignorant people here, dont expect too much
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
he got emotional and left his slide guitar? I was trying to hear that on an ODB track.
It be ya own people
old niggas always hatin.
That's all we got!! HATE HATE HATE!!!!
Either hating or preaching about Jesus
Not hating. Giving constructive criticism showing the door to a proper level up.
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
"Yeah, fuck it"
I'm gonna use that next time I'm bying something.
RIP to Sam Ash
Man that’s my store
The wig tho😂😂
toupee is nuts
Very trash wig
He handled the situation pretty well, funny how samples could have bad reputation when they sometimes just enlight the best part of the song and make it even better
"That's not RZA" and "this not real Wu" my brother in christ, RZA created the show. I blame it on him and the producers, I think he focused too much on the wrong things getting this show to the finish line. Ashton Sanders is not some bum actor, this sounds like he's being forced to deliver the lines how a director wants not like he just sucks at playing the character.
The casting is terrible, dude looks nothing like Robert Diggs.
"Slide guitar"
"Slide what?"
So... guitar is the alien word to this musician?
He prolly didn’t clearly hear it the first tme
@cigarpringles1890 it's a script. Someone wrote it.
@@5thHouse obv ik its a script, i thought what you meant by your comment was that you thought the dialogue was to show that RZA didnt know what a guitar was
@cigarpringles1890 the script was written to imply unfamiliarity with a slide guitar. Bad writing made the line, "Slide what?" Instead of "a what?" Or "what's that?" Or, "I've never seen a guitar that looks like THAT", for example. It's just bad writing cuz it sets up the character to look dumber than they need to in order to establish the savant angle.
@@5thHouse totally agree
1:20 this moment could’ve been used to exchange phone numbers and create jobs for at least one musician
If he had approached RZA better, RZA probably would've initiated that. Instead the old head started hating and lost his own opportunity.
This is the guy who made him make the infamous promo video for the BeatThang.