@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example On why MCs and DJs sample 'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands That's what hip-hop was, it still stands The records we use are from mom and pop's collection Find a break from a dope selection And go to the store, then buy one more So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said "We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us Man, you still be home with arthritis! If we didn't revive em, bring back alive Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive You'd be another memory to us Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material. I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
I understand why people get made at sampling and why people have a disdain for it but let's be honest I can only speak for myself but when I hear a sample on a rap song I usually seek out the sampled material like in ice cubes "it was a good day" I fell in love with footsteps in the dark which is sampled or in regulators by Warren g I spin the song sampled on that daily so when you think about it it exposes more people to the sampled material
People who hate sampling are just the average egoist and miserable person that is unwelcoming of change or difference. The point of samples are to take already made music and derive more creativity and sound within it. Your perspective is nice but it's worthless for the actual topic at hand.
@Godloveszaza my perspective isn't worthless to the topic at hand you are right that the point of a sample is taking the source material and transforming it making something new from it it also exposes people to the original material also and yes most artist who get in a uproar against sampling are whiners and egoist who don't see that it exposes more people to their music
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
i agree , i dislike when they try to use samples on trap or those ratchet shitty beats that have that sound like a sprinkler , thats why i like boom bap .
@BIGZphillybirdfan if you think about it also with RZA he sampled those awesome Kung fu films like the 36th chamber of shaolin or five deadly venom's or the several samples used on liquid swords from shogun assassin's not a lot of people would know about those films if it wasn't for wu tang fr they're very niche films
That dude didn’t even make sense He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
I feel like sampling is similar to referencing different authors and their work in an academic research paper, dissertation, thesis. As long as the owners of the sample are acknowledged through benefiting financially from it's use, then i see no problem with sampling.
Sampling really is making music. You're taking another person's work and turning into a whole songs with different pitches, automation, sounds and other instruments to make it something completely different. I see the people's argument about not being able to play an instrument but sampling can be used an instrument
In a few years we'll be having the same argument of producers ai-generating their sounds and being called fake for it, but whatever find the balance of quality & quantity in a new world like ours.
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
Ppl who drag sampling as lazy have never tried to fit a 5 second chop into a drum break for weeks on end. Its like woodworking or oil painting. It takes time and patience, and a lot of starting over from scratch. I play drums, a little bass, banjo. Ive been in bands for years, written a bunch of songs (nothing special lol). There is nothing more challenging for me than making a beat from samples.
Well said, my friend. Sure, anyone can sample audio and loop it, but taking pieces of a song (or multiple songs) to create another song takes time and patience. On top of that, it has to make sense to the ears of your listeners. But, before any of that gets accomplished, you have to learn how to work the equipment. Nothing lazy about it.
people still use live musicians, you give up less percentage from an interpolation of a song than the actual sample of a master recording, the clearance from an interpolation comes from the composer (publisher) instead of the label or owner of the master recording, thtas why dr dre went from just sampling g-funk on the chronic to getting musicians to replay the melodies on doggystyle.
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
One thing that irritates me about people like this. is the fact that most of these people more than likely have never bought any of these artists music. Or they have not supported these artists in like 20 years. And they have the nerve to get mad at someone sampling they music and getting them a check. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@83dudeHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry. What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique. Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks. Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
What people dont understand about Samples is if its never sampled then people would forget most music existed. Samples keep a lot of old artists relevant.
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
That wasn't the argument the OG in this was making though. He didn't condemn Rap as not being music. He was specifically claiming that sampling doesn't make you a musician. He is wrong, of course. It takes a different KIND of skill, for sure. But it really isn't much different than claiming that a film editor isn't a director or screenwriter.
@@NaptownClassic Correct, it's a different kind of skill. Adrian Younge said it in a panel discussion some years ago...Those who are good at it (sampling), are musicians and the sampler is their instrument...
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
I discovered many great artists like steely Dan,Bobby Caldwell,the Isley brothers and Ronnie laws from hip hop samples,it is really a good way for people to be introduced to new artists or genres they haven’t heard yet.
This scene brings me back. My father, RIP. He worked and ran Jon’s just play music in Chicago in the 1960’s. He sold to all the up and coming bands and artist. Such as Chicago, Styx, Ides of March, American breed, Buddy Guy,REO Speedwagon, the list goes on. My father taught me the industry from a young age. He also taught guitar and played in a band that did weddings and high school dances and proms. Until 1970, my father knew his draft number was coming. By 1971 he enlisted in the Navy and was in Vietnam from 1971-1973. In 1974 he married my mom and put music aside to raise a family.
@@Goldminebeats i still dont see why, this would be a great way of showing us how they did tingz with more detailz plus it would be more accurate cus this isnt it 😭😭😭😭
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
Coming from someone who's literally a fan of hip hop and grew up listening to the wu, this shit isn't it... I feel ghost face 100 percent when he said, "I never watched that shit" s/0 to RZA tho..
One guy writes the lyrics, one guy makes the beats taken from another guy's song written before and another guy performs it. Rock has this stuff too and I always wondered if it's really music or just a big business with pyrotechnics to amuse he masses
@@5thHouse obv ik its a script, i thought what you meant by your comment was that you thought the dialogue was to show that RZA didnt know what a guitar was
@cigarpringles1890 the script was written to imply unfamiliarity with a slide guitar. Bad writing made the line, "Slide what?" Instead of "a what?" Or "what's that?" Or, "I've never seen a guitar that looks like THAT", for example. It's just bad writing cuz it sets up the character to look dumber than they need to in order to establish the savant angle.
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
If producers don't sample music most of it will die or get lost. The more music comes out the less the old stuff gets listed too. If no one samples your music you become a has been no one remembers.
"Hip-hop is not made up from scratch. The music, and the foundation of the music of hip-hop, comes from records that we found in our parents' crates, you know what I mean? Old funk and soul grooves. We've given new life to artists like james brown and isaac hayes and sly and the family stone and george clinton and parliament and funkadelic, and so many other groups, because we rapping over they beats, okay? So hip-hop didn't invent anything, but hip-hop reinvented everything."
Yeah, because freestyling isn't from scratch at all right. Rap didn't just start. Who cares what you think honestly. Yall always hating in some shape form or fashion
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
@@Herperof1000derps it can be real its 1995 dont forget,nowadays nobody cares you sampling music or not,at that time i believe guys was jealous because singing and making music its more difficult,then rapping and sampling
Both sides are valid. Sampling put a lot of real musicians out of business and killed real instruments in a lot of places it shouldn't have. On the other side, times change and things change with it. It took a lot of authentic sounds out of the mix and put a lot of musicians out of business, BUT it did put a lot of producers on. Where it lost musicians, it gained more musically inclined talent. The bitter reality is the beef is almost impossible to fix. Whether the song or sound is sonically good or better than the original, sampling IS taking the works of other artists and making it your own. Many musicians feel like they're not making real songs and samplers refuse to see it from the other side. The absolute truth is sampling NEEDS real musicians and not the other way around. What both sides fail to realize, however, is that both sides have already worked together on numerous occasions to get the desired outcome. The word of the decade is "compromise."
Totally on point. I never realized how R&B especially was affected by the use of sampling until I read a JayQuan essay about it. At a certain point it was literally rap beats with sung vocals on top, no need for any musicians at all.
sampling has certainly not put a lot of real musicians out of business. case in point being things like Scarface's albums, or even the first Kanye releases. or Organized Noize for those first few OutKast joints. studio musicians still got hired to play on top of/in conjunction with samples, and very rarely do I think you'd ever find a situation where a sample is used to *replace* or otherwise push out a studio musician.
@@aiedyn But even in conjunction, previously it would've been entirely musicians, so there's still a replacement going on. The other thing is those are bigger groups that can afford to have musicians. There's certainly a ton of sample-only producers like Premier, Beatnuts, DOOM, etc. Pretty much all underground rap is either samples or synths. Was anyway, I'm old, don't know exactly what they're doing now. Hell even sampling probably getting replaced by AI-generated music soon, if not already.
@@dochudson9393 but sampling is so engrained into hip hop itself that I don’t think it would’ve made a large difference, outside of moving away from having bands interpolate things like Rapper’s Delight being a Chic track replayed instead of sampled (because I just don’t think they could’ve sampled it then). it’s tough to call because so much of hip hop IS innately linked to sampling. with breaks being what started it and all of that. i did miss that part about R&B until now however, that makes more sense. I still think if it wasn’t for hip hop’s influence then we wouldn’t have even gone down that exact route that would have called for samples replacing musicians
@@aiedyn Yeah, R&B is where these guys have a more valid gripe about sampling, at least as far as jobs. Exactly, Hip-Hop was borne out of breaks, so you can't really separate that part of it. And you're right, if musicians have a gripe about Hip-Hop's impact on their opportunities, it should be about how big Hip-Hop got and how it influenced basically every other genre of music in the world. I assume they would've been fine if it stayed in it's own lane like punk rock.
Even though it's a show, I understand hating on samples, old heads growing up in the 70s and seeing all their classics being put on rap. Especially black music from the 90s onwards that have less than ideal messaging. (When I was younger producing, I literally had a folder with maybe 10000 different samples, so like, y'know. Just playing the other side but I totally get it)
I think there's nothing wrong with sampling but I do think that real composers / performers should get more respect. even though making beats is a serious craft and all, and maybe the same level of artistry if done really well, but it's just not the same in terms of depth.
@@morrisalanisette9067 No it isn't! Not even close! There is a huge difference between Teddy Reilly, Jimmy Jam vs Kanye and RZA! Pep[le like Teddy Reilly create chords, melodies, base lines! While RZA and Kanye sample the melodies, basslines, chords and other shit real composers create!
yeah but they are still composers there's just less complexity with music theory. to me producers who use samples is kind of like collage artist compared to painters. But keep in mind many producers aren't just using samples especially nowadays. Also a lot of producers are actually bonafide musicians but they just make beats because there is no incentive to 'whip it out' so to speak. It's not the 70s nobody wants to hear a key solo or complex structures. It kinda sucks but thats how it is @@rbrivers1731
Love Wu Tang , but this show looks like its AI generated. Also I started loving soul because of rap samples , just like many others - so thank you RZA and others for introducing us to that music
@@corvus8638 ah I completely got it wrong. Gotta use my brain more. thanks for letting me know! Would you say the series is worth watching? Maybe I'll check it out at some point
If people flipping samples puts you out of business you're not a good musician either lol
said perfectly.
@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatPro no I wouldn't, I'm actually a musician myself, I'd be happy if someone sampled my work, as long as I get my royalties.
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
scolastic and iindividualistic approach to music but ok.
Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example
On why MCs and DJs sample
'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands
That's what hip-hop was, it still stands
The records we use are from mom and pop's collection
Find a break from a dope selection
And go to the store, then buy one more
So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said
"We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us
Man, you still be home with arthritis!
If we didn't revive em, bring back alive
Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive
You'd be another memory to us
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
I said It best when I said "rap is not music, it's just some guy talking over music" the cringiest rap is the new York stuff,
Yeah I get it but that doesn’t make it right no matter how you rap it
@@duderistdude6466 excuses!
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
It's like kensugi
Great analogy!
@@freakyfred8366 This is the PERFECT way to describe it. I love it seriously
Damn, I should use this analogy from now on when someone says sampling isn't art. lol
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@@peripheralterrornah they came flockin to my shit too and I ain't pay for shit
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every single actor is doing terrible
This actually happened. Rza never heard the word "guitar" before then.
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material.
I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
they steal, and they steal because they cant do it themselves, deal with it
@tommybillyjack5051 Innovation is often born out of restriction and necessity
Hip hop is lame and always will be, it's easily my worst genre
@@83dude why the fuck you watching a hip hop video if you hate it so much then 🤔🤣
@@83dude Listen to Sing about me then
I was 19 when I bought Enter The Wu-Tang 36 Chambers. Now almost 31 years later it's still one of the best albums I've ever bought.
I understand why people get made at sampling and why people have a disdain for it but let's be honest I can only speak for myself but when I hear a sample on a rap song I usually seek out the sampled material like in ice cubes "it was a good day" I fell in love with footsteps in the dark which is sampled or in regulators by Warren g I spin the song sampled on that daily so when you think about it it exposes more people to the sampled material
Me too
It went from a creative form of musical collage to just ripping off an entire Elton John verse and adding I'M THE MAN, I'M THE MAN" to the end of it.
@@bigbillywillysgrandadventu7737 which songs are you talkin bout? The Elton John song and the song that sampled it
People who hate sampling are just the average egoist and miserable person that is unwelcoming of change or difference. The point of samples are to take already made music and derive more creativity and sound within it. Your perspective is nice but it's worthless for the actual topic at hand.
@Godloveszaza my perspective isn't worthless to the topic at hand you are right that the point of a sample is taking the source material and transforming it making something new from it it also exposes people to the original material also and yes most artist who get in a uproar against sampling are whiners and egoist who don't see that it exposes more people to their music
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
Well said
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i agree , i dislike when they try to use samples on trap or those ratchet shitty beats that have that sound like a sprinkler , thats why i like boom bap .
You defending sampling but bashing mumble rap is stupid. If sampling is allowed so should mumble rap.
@BIGZphillybirdfan if you think about it also with RZA he sampled those awesome Kung fu films like the 36th chamber of shaolin or five deadly venom's or the several samples used on liquid swords from shogun assassin's not a lot of people would know about those films if it wasn't for wu tang fr they're very niche films
That dude didn’t even make sense
He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
Nah he said “he could hire someone” to play it for him if he wanted to hear it- but doesn’t need it.
"I could hire someone"
"Yeah problem is you don't"
The reply makes sense, he's dismissing his "I could" to make the point that he doesn't.
lol as if he was ever in work ain’t nobody care about him
Funny cause now a drum machine MPC is considered an instrument in it's own right
lol no
lol yes
@@omnibusification
ArabMusic is a great example of this
Got proof?
@@morreddie717watch any MPC finger drumming video and you'll see what they mean
How is he out of work when RZA literally just said he'd pay him?
Damn, I can’t believe they had a film crew there to document this. Respect
I feel like sampling is similar to referencing different authors and their work in an academic research paper, dissertation, thesis. As long as the owners of the sample are acknowledged through benefiting financially from it's use, then i see no problem with sampling.
Sampling really is making music. You're taking another person's work and turning into a whole songs with different pitches, automation, sounds and other instruments to make it something completely different.
I see the people's argument about not being able to play an instrument but sampling can be used an instrument
Music always evolves and the generation before hated just the generation before them the cycle continues
In a few years we'll be having the same argument of producers ai-generating their sounds and being called fake for it, but whatever find the balance of quality & quantity in a new world like ours.
Sampling is an art form in itself
It is there’s this group on Facebook that breaks down the samples used in the songs. How it’s separated, slowed down, sped up, rearranged that’s skill
if you cant play an instrument it makes sense that sampling would seem artistic to you
Taking a dump is considered artwork too
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
@@madkrixna also I tell anyone who doesn't believe it is an art form to listen to Entroducing by DJ Shadow a sample masterpiece
bro is mad at bro for hiring musicians and creating jobs.
“For hiring ‘other’ musicians” . If it was him offered that job he’d change his jaded tone quick 😆
@@gillroygarlic3616 Yepp, that's true, the oldhead would be fake as hell
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
@@shutapp9958 not in rap. Very few rap albums have live instrumentation or original arrangements especially from the east coast.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
This seemed to bother RZA more than this scene allows.
I cant get passed the fact that that actor was chosen to play the RZA😂😂😂
Yea there like zero resemblance
@@richtenamore9718doesn't even talk or act like Rza either
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
He is a good actor but ya he doesn't really look like rza
Yall should also peep LZA n TZA if yall like hip hop n rap
If sampler was available in 1700, probably Bach too would like to use it to make music
Crate digging is an art.
"a slide what?" (rza never heard the word guitar before)
That's just bad writing.
RZA is so afraid of that word after the Guitar Center incident that even the guy portraying him can’t even say it
Nah it was just his first time hearing about it.
They couldn’t of gotten someone with a closer resemblance to RZA ?
Me still bumpin Wu in 2023 also says different
2024 🙌💯🔥
It is a fact that many, many Rza tracks take samples from Willie Mitchell. But if it wasn't for RZA I'd of never discovered Willie so.....
I'd have* never
Funny how people never seem to question Rick Rubin, David Geffen, or Jimmy Lovine (3 mega producers who don't play instruments) in the same way.
That's probably because they're white.
“A slide what?” The line makes it seem like RZA never hear the word guitar before. Such cheesy writing/acting 🤦🏻♂️
Fr tho
“A slide guitar” ain’t common known but ok L take
Yeah it wouldve made better sense for him to say "a what guitar?" Lol
I feel Ike you’re overthinking it lol
@@C4LBHitmarkers idk bro his choice of words made it seem like he didn't understand what a guitar was
Ppl who drag sampling as lazy have never tried to fit a 5 second chop into a drum break for weeks on end. Its like woodworking or oil painting. It takes time and patience, and a lot of starting over from scratch. I play drums, a little bass, banjo. Ive been in bands for years, written a bunch of songs (nothing special lol). There is nothing more challenging for me than making a beat from samples.
Well said, my friend. Sure, anyone can sample audio and loop it, but taking pieces of a song (or multiple songs) to create another song takes time and patience. On top of that, it has to make sense to the ears of your listeners. But, before any of that gets accomplished, you have to learn how to work the equipment. Nothing lazy about it.
people still use live musicians, you give up less percentage from an interpolation of a song than the actual sample of a master recording, the clearance from an interpolation comes from the composer (publisher) instead of the label or owner of the master recording, thtas why dr dre went from just sampling g-funk on the chronic to getting musicians to replay the melodies on doggystyle.
The thing is they’re both right in a way.
old niggas always hatin.
That's all we got!! HATE HATE HATE!!!!
Either hating or preaching about Jesus
Not hating. Giving constructive criticism showing the door to a proper level up.
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
Christ, this was actually aired? It's like something you'd find in the depths of Tubi.
The interesting thing is they’re both right.
Truely all about perspective
Willie Mitchell ain’t complaining. He eating good.
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
My man just looking for a job, but he going about it the wrong way.
What's this an acting class, dreadful.
Couldnt have said it better myself.
this is so bad its like watching something they'd show you in school about not doing drugs
One thing that irritates me about people like this. is the fact that most of these people more than likely have never bought any of these artists music. Or they have not supported these artists in like 20 years. And they have the nerve to get mad at someone sampling they music and getting them a check. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
At least bro at guitar center selling gear and getting his😂
the idea thats somebody would still be able to create good music without being able to play it manually really upsets some people I see lol
Rap is not good music, it's just some guy talking over "beats" that's All it is
@@83dude when's your record coming out then? Don't speak on something you don't understand just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap
@@gregc7699 so I can't criticise anything? Great mindset 🤡
@@83dudeHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry.
What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique.
Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks.
Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
What people dont understand about Samples is if its never sampled then people would forget most music existed. Samples keep a lot of old artists relevant.
"Rap brings back old R&B, and if we would not, people would have forgot"
@@straightlead8 nobody cared about those songs until Rza brought them back. People are silly.
@@darnelljones9849 th-cam.com/video/2kdQ4soLcac/w-d-xo.html
Ain't that the truth
@@MorganBoykin it's a lot of music that's Sampled that we wouldn't ever think about listening to. And I mean ever.
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
if people wanna go with the take "if you sample, then you're not making music" then my take is "if you don't sample, then you're not making HIP-HOP"
facts
100% agree. those piano beats are soulless
oofah
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
And that's the beauty of it because of the samples, I got into the other artists catalogue.
Where there's a successful black hip hop artist, there's 1000 black hating mf'ers ready to bring him down.
--DMX, probably
If your making music it's music dosnt matter the style or the way you made it so long as that hits deep and you can vibe n move your feet.
Music is harmony, rhythm, vocals, etc I don’t get people whom say Rap ain’t music
Not to be a prick but it's "who", I can't help myself.
@@hemsmooth you are not a prick, I appreciate the correction, english is not my first language so any correction is always welcome, thanks!
That wasn't the argument the OG in this was making though. He didn't condemn Rap as not being music. He was specifically claiming that sampling doesn't make you a musician.
He is wrong, of course. It takes a different KIND of skill, for sure. But it really isn't much different than claiming that a film editor isn't a director or screenwriter.
@@NaptownClassic Correct, it's a different kind of skill. Adrian Younge said it in a panel discussion some years ago...Those who are good at it (sampling), are musicians and the sampler is their instrument...
this acting is so unserious
😂😂😂😂😂
No only the RZA actor is bad
And the Academy Award goes to... none of these actors.
"Slide guitar"
- "Slide WHAT?"
lol.
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
I discovered many great artists like steely Dan,Bobby Caldwell,the Isley brothers and Ronnie laws from hip hop samples,it is really a good way for people to be introduced to new artists or genres they haven’t heard yet.
This scene brings me back. My father, RIP. He worked and ran Jon’s just play music in Chicago in the 1960’s. He sold to all the up and coming bands and artist. Such as Chicago, Styx, Ides of March, American breed, Buddy Guy,REO Speedwagon, the list goes on. My father taught me the industry from a young age. He also taught guitar and played in a band that did weddings and high school dances and proms. Until 1970, my father knew his draft number was coming. By 1971 he enlisted in the Navy and was in Vietnam from 1971-1973. In 1974 he married my mom and put music aside to raise a family.
R.I.P 🌹
God bless
He could have just shown his musical skills to RZA, instead of hating like that
And get credited along the way
Right there in the music lmao
Actually, later Rza ended up hiring him and they’re best friends now.
TMthe33rd you don't understand how movie's/TV work do u knucklehead?
This guy was the worst actor they could’ve gotten
Which one? They were all bad.
Yeah it's a shame what they did
Lol sounded nothing like rza
Ye he didn't even attempt to do the RZA's Brooklyn accent. I think he only landed this role because Moonlight was so acclaimed.
RZA doesn’t sound like an African DMX.
I know this is probably how rza really talks but the voice was sooo annoying for the whole show
Why couldnt they just use the real rza
@@cossoccocsoctoo old
@@Goldminebeats i still dont see why, this would be a great way of showing us how they did tingz with more detailz plus it would be more accurate cus this isnt it 😭😭😭😭
Fr, just sounds so forced. Adaptations don’t have to be a 1 to 1
RZA specifically said he wanted Ashton to play him because he has "the eyes of an artist who doesn't give up" or some shit
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
Same conversation today.. "A.I. like you are putting guy's like me out of work"
I feel like sampling should be considered fair use
The amount sampled should be considered
@@B47ANCE. true
Is this the same guitar center he made the beat thang beat?
no
And this is why celebrities request to temporarily shut down stores whenever they go in to shop. What a jerk.
Whoa, I had no idea this show existed. This was trippy to watch with no context.
lol. Lucky u
@@newagain9964 how is he lucky ??
@@yOGlobecause he gets to watch it now fresh.
he got emotional and left his slide guitar? I was trying to hear that on an ODB track.
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
Well done, you know what literally means... unless you usually metaphorically watch movies.
@@Hellwyck Behave yourself
@@HellwyckPretty sure this is a show bud
Big difference between a musician and a producer.
Yea but do you even know it? Can you discern which one would be the greater "artist" ?
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent. Prince comes to mind when it comes to playing and producing. ... J
you are speaking to mostly ignorant people here, dont expect too much
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
Coming from someone who's literally a fan of hip hop and grew up listening to the wu, this shit isn't it... I feel ghost face 100 percent when he said, "I never watched that shit" s/0 to RZA tho..
I would lose my mind seeing an uopened 3000 box. You kidding me!!!!
The wig tho😂😂
toupee is nuts
Very trash wig
One guy writes the lyrics, one guy makes the beats taken from another guy's song written before and another guy performs it. Rock has this stuff too and I always wondered if it's really music or just a big business with pyrotechnics to amuse he masses
"Slide guitar"
"Slide what?"
So... guitar is the alien word to this musician?
He prolly didn’t clearly hear it the first tme
@cigarpringles1890 it's a script. Someone wrote it.
@@5thHouse obv ik its a script, i thought what you meant by your comment was that you thought the dialogue was to show that RZA didnt know what a guitar was
@cigarpringles1890 the script was written to imply unfamiliarity with a slide guitar. Bad writing made the line, "Slide what?" Instead of "a what?" Or "what's that?" Or, "I've never seen a guitar that looks like THAT", for example. It's just bad writing cuz it sets up the character to look dumber than they need to in order to establish the savant angle.
@@5thHouse totally agree
Mpc 3000 is classic! Man I want one so bad
just so you know as someone as used it for a while it's a pain in the ass to learn but when you master it it's kind magic 💫
MPC 2000 I would love to have but that shit is money 😞
@@91Definiteget a job bum
@@SergioMartinez-el8kg get off my dick migo
@@91Definite 2000s are the cheapest. I got one for 500 bucks
Anyone can play music
Only artists can shape it
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
My cousin saw him few years ago at a record shop like this in nyc
They def rushed season 2 bro what's this 😭
Nah geezers refusing to adapt is what puts them outta work lmao
Gheezers want to get paid ..
They don’t want the next generation to lose out on the best joys in life.
"Yeah, fuck it"
I'm gonna use that next time I'm bying something.
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
I like the idea of it ….its just the execution of this series is all bad. It’s just not believable.
If producers don't sample music most of it will die or get lost. The more music comes out the less the old stuff gets listed too. If no one samples your music you become a has been no one remembers.
Preach 🫡
"Hip-hop is not made up from scratch. The music, and the foundation of the music of hip-hop, comes from records that we found in our parents' crates, you know what I mean?
Old funk and soul grooves.
We've given new life to artists like james brown and isaac hayes and sly and the family stone and george clinton and parliament and funkadelic, and so many other groups, because we rapping over they beats, okay?
So hip-hop didn't invent anything, but hip-hop reinvented everything."
Yeah, because freestyling isn't from scratch at all right. Rap didn't just start. Who cares what you think honestly. Yall always hating in some shape form or fashion
@@dominique8662 not hating at all, you completely misunderstood. This is also a KRS-One quote, you played yourself my guy
@@adrone2669😂😂😂😂
“a slide what?” Lol has he never heard of a guitar
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
Always a old black dude hating on a young dude getting it
That's not hating. He's telling him about the music. That's like saying Ghost and Rae were hating on Biggie for biting on Nas.
@@zoo05zoo Bro straight up told RZA he wasn't a musician and he was stealing music. That's hating.
@@chuckn4851, he was sampling beats without giving credit. Pointing that out isn't hating. That's telling someone what they are doing.
Getting what?
@@zoo05zoo wu tangs my favorite rap group of all time but I gotta agree with you here ..
RIP to Sam Ash
Man that’s my store
very good intelligent confrontation without aggresion, a lesson to new generation its not nessecary to start a fight in the middle of conversation.
This...isn't real
aside from not being real, the other guy purposely injected himself aggressively
@@Herperof1000derps it can be real its 1995 dont forget,nowadays nobody cares you sampling music or not,at that time i believe guys was jealous because singing and making music its more difficult,then rapping and sampling
Some of RZA's best songs are original.
Are Sam Ash employees friendlier than Guitar centers? You start fiddling with an mpc at guitar center they hover over you like hurry up and buy
They not like that in my city!
Mpc 500$ you pay now
Bad actors bad writing bad directors
@@X123-c2j😭😭😭😭😭😭
I think he was better in all day and a night
Both sides are valid. Sampling put a lot of real musicians out of business and killed real instruments in a lot of places it shouldn't have. On the other side, times change and things change with it. It took a lot of authentic sounds out of the mix and put a lot of musicians out of business, BUT it did put a lot of producers on. Where it lost musicians, it gained more musically inclined talent.
The bitter reality is the beef is almost impossible to fix. Whether the song or sound is sonically good or better than the original, sampling IS taking the works of other artists and making it your own. Many musicians feel like they're not making real songs and samplers refuse to see it from the other side. The absolute truth is sampling NEEDS real musicians and not the other way around. What both sides fail to realize, however, is that both sides have already worked together on numerous occasions to get the desired outcome.
The word of the decade is "compromise."
Totally on point. I never realized how R&B especially was affected by the use of sampling until I read a JayQuan essay about it. At a certain point it was literally rap beats with sung vocals on top, no need for any musicians at all.
sampling has certainly not put a lot of real musicians out of business. case in point being things like Scarface's albums, or even the first Kanye releases. or Organized Noize for those first few OutKast joints. studio musicians still got hired to play on top of/in conjunction with samples, and very rarely do I think you'd ever find a situation where a sample is used to *replace* or otherwise push out a studio musician.
@@aiedyn But even in conjunction, previously it would've been entirely musicians, so there's still a replacement going on. The other thing is those are bigger groups that can afford to have musicians. There's certainly a ton of sample-only producers like Premier, Beatnuts, DOOM, etc. Pretty much all underground rap is either samples or synths. Was anyway, I'm old, don't know exactly what they're doing now. Hell even sampling probably getting replaced by AI-generated music soon, if not already.
@@dochudson9393 but sampling is so engrained into hip hop itself that I don’t think it would’ve made a large difference, outside of moving away from having bands interpolate things like Rapper’s Delight being a Chic track replayed instead of sampled (because I just don’t think they could’ve sampled it then). it’s tough to call because so much of hip hop IS innately linked to sampling. with breaks being what started it and all of that.
i did miss that part about R&B until now however, that makes more sense. I still think if it wasn’t for hip hop’s influence then we wouldn’t have even gone down that exact route that would have called for samples replacing musicians
@@aiedyn Yeah, R&B is where these guys have a more valid gripe about sampling, at least as far as jobs. Exactly, Hip-Hop was borne out of breaks, so you can't really separate that part of it. And you're right, if musicians have a gripe about Hip-Hop's impact on their opportunities, it should be about how big Hip-Hop got and how it influenced basically every other genre of music in the world. I assume they would've been fine if it stayed in it's own lane like punk rock.
Music, Art, is about how it makes you feel. Nothing else.
Liquid Swords is the greatest Wu Tang solo album.
Ive been coming to this joint for a long time brother,GZA and RZA best tandem majku mu
why are all the comments so recent lmao
😭😭
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1:20 this moment could’ve been used to exchange phone numbers and create jobs for at least one musician
If he had approached RZA better, RZA probably would've initiated that. Instead the old head started hating and lost his own opportunity.
Idc lol Rza don’t talk like that he talk like Elmer Fudd
@hazeentertainmenthiphop no its not lol
Sampling records creates a paychecks for other artists whose records aren’t being streamed and recreating samples creates jobs for musicians. Win Win
Even though it's a show, I understand hating on samples, old heads growing up in the 70s and seeing all their classics being put on rap. Especially black music from the 90s onwards that have less than ideal messaging.
(When I was younger producing, I literally had a folder with maybe 10000 different samples, so like, y'know. Just playing the other side but I totally get it)
I think there's nothing wrong with sampling but I do think that real composers / performers should get more respect. even though making beats is a serious craft and all, and maybe the same level of artistry if done really well, but it's just not the same in terms of depth.
@@morrisalanisette9067 No it isn't! Not even close! There is a huge difference between Teddy Reilly, Jimmy Jam vs Kanye and RZA! Pep[le like Teddy Reilly create chords, melodies, base lines! While RZA and Kanye sample the melodies, basslines, chords and other shit real composers create!
yeah but they are still composers there's just less complexity with music theory. to me producers who use samples is kind of like collage artist compared to painters. But keep in mind many producers aren't just using samples especially nowadays. Also a lot of producers are actually bonafide musicians but they just make beats because there is no incentive to 'whip it out' so to speak. It's not the 70s nobody wants to hear a key solo or complex structures. It kinda sucks but thats how it is @@rbrivers1731
Love Wu Tang , but this show looks like its AI generated. Also I started loving soul because of rap samples , just like many others - so thank you RZA and others for introducing us to that music
AI-Generated? No. AI isn't nearly there yet.
@@bedecktHe’s saying the writing is so bad that an AI must have written it and I tend to agree
@@corvus8638 ah I completely got it wrong. Gotta use my brain more. thanks for letting me know!
Would you say the series is worth watching? Maybe I'll check it out at some point
@@bedeckt Can’t tell you as I haven’t watched the show
Funny being as how sampling is the AI art of music.
For the comments about acting....Its a genuine story, not always about acting all the time, sometimes the story is whats to be seen imo