WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TUDOR CROWN? What happened to the crown jewels? Most famous royal jewels
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- The TUDOR CROWN is one of the most famous royal jewels lost to history. Having been created for either Henry VII or Henry VIII, it was described in minute detail in an inventory of 1521 and pictured over a century later in numerous portraits of Charles I and his family, but when Oliver Cromwell and the Parliamentarians got their hands on it in the late 1640s, it, along with most of the rest of the English Crown Jewels was melted down so that its gold could be used for coinage and its precious stones were sold off. After all, they thought, the purpose of crown jewels was to show off the wealth and power of the monarchy and the Cromwellians had toppled and executed the King. A completely new suite of jewels had to be created at the time of the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660, but Henry VIII’s crown (as he’s the first person we know for sure wore it) was gone.
In this royal jewels documentary from History Calling, we look at the paper trail and the pictorial evidence to establish what this famous crown looked like, what Henry VIII wore it for, how it was altered after the Reformation and just how sumptuous it was. We’ll also look at its appearance (in simplified form) in numerous royal monograms, or cyphers, over the last 400 years (including in the monogram of Charles III) and at how it can still be seen on telephone boxes, post boxes and royal and governmental correspondence to this day. Finally we’ll consider the theory that one small piece of this crown was rediscovered by accident in a field in 2021.
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How likely do you think it is that the rediscovered figure found in a field actually comes from the Tudor crown? Let me know below and remember to check me out on Patreon at www.patreon.com/historycalling
Whether or not it is an actual part of the original crown I find it a fascinating mystery how it ended up there. Maybe it was a wealthy warrior's religious talisman probably killed in the battle,? Do you know where it is kept, it would be interesting to see it?
The likelihood that a monarch lost the little figurine from such an elaborate crown during a battle seems pretty dim. How on earth could you move quickly and wield a sword effectively while balancing on your head something designed for extremely formal and sumptuous events like coronations? I thought the crowns worn by kings in battle in earlier times (e.g. Richard III at Bosworth Field, later claimed by the brand-new Henry VII) were much simpler affairs. It does seem weird, however, that it turned up in the same place where a battle had been fought. But if it had been detached and sold during the breaking up of the crown jewels and later dropped there, that would be even more strange, especially since you didn't mention that the figures of the saints were still on the crown and sold as distinct items. The record said that all the gold was melted down. Were there any witnesses to this alleged metal detecting event?
You're quite right that battle crowns wouldn't have been this elaborate and for the reasons you mention. No, I don't think anyone else was there for the discovery, but the figurine itself has presumably been looked at by experts who could confirm its age, even if its provenance is unknown.
@@HistoryCalling Quite right. By the 1640's I can't see any king wearing a crown in battle. As far as I know Charles was kept from the fighting, at a distance anyway. It would be unusual to have the state crown not lodged somewhere safe.
Battle crowns were much simpler affairs. I believe Henry V's great helm with battle crown is in Westminster Abbey minus two fleurons which had been struck off at Agincourt. He was in the thick of the action.
I believe his father used decoys at Shrewsbury dressed in royal regalia and surcoat and I understand Henry V had two decoys similarly arrayed at Angincourt, sadly both were killed.
Students from Henry VI's two foundations, Eton College and King's College, Cambridge, place lillies on the spot were he was murdered on the anniversary.
Think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time following his father when England were losing the Hundred Years War and one of his uncles, Humphrey, was quarrelling with another relative Henry Beaufort.
He never saw his father Henry V. 🏵
Regards,
Edgar.
I’m not sure of any witnesses I think
If I remember rightly, the royalist baggage train was captured at Naesby. So assuming the Crown was kept in the King's baggage (for safety, considering its value), I think it's easily possible that they left it behind and a roundhead found it.
My theory is that before handing the Crown over to the appropriate authorities, 1 soldier or more decided to break the figure off the crown, and bury it under the tree where it was found in 2017. They didn't think it was possible to hide and later fence the whole crown, but thought no one would miss the figure. If they could find the tree at a later date and recover the figure, they could get a lot of money for it. Presumably they died before they could retrieve it.
We will never know for sure, but Its the most likely explination I can think of, and it seems easily possible.
I can literally sit and listen to Your Videos all day - They keep Me company while I work and create much discussion and interest for Me and My 9 Year Old Daughter - Every Video is so well researched and must take hours to create - Each one focuses on facts and not a glorified or embellished version of History - This Video struck My Daughter heavily as She was sad to realise that She can't see this wonderful object in the Tower Collection at Our Yearly visit due to the frankly appalling actions of others - Please keep releasing these Videos - They are simply superb History Calling
Thank you so much for such a lovely comment and I'm delighted that the next generation of historians likes my videos as well :-) Yes, they do take a long time to create (and I always say that I'm not above making the odd error, particularly because of how fast I have to work), but it's worth it when I hear from people such as yourself who appreciate it and like to have proper history as well, rather than lots of fantasy and conjecture. Tell your daughter not to be sad about not seeing this crown in the Tower of London though. There are still many beautiful items there and perhaps some day she'll go to Edinburgh and see the Scottish crown jewels, which Cromwell never got his mits on, despite considerable effort :-)
Great video! I really appreciate that you stick to source materials rather than rumors!
Thank you. Yes, I'm a stickler for sources. It bugs me when people get sucked into repeating baseless rumours.
Fantastic, HC! Had to back out of the premier settings to bring up the Super Thanks feature. It was great to see the interaction among your international fan base.
THANK YOU so much for the generous donation Stephen and for coming to the premiere. It's been a little bit of a learning curve, but I think I'll do it again. I loved how international the viewers were. Even I didn't realise they'd be coming from so far and wide :-)
I just adore hearing your voice. It’s such an added pleasure to the thorough and concise way you share your knowledge with us.
Thank you. If only my family and friends told me the same thing out here in the real world :-)
@@HistoryCalling that’s absurd! I imagine they’ve retained their more localized accents? You’re just too educated! Perhaps you should try a post in your hometown accent; I’d join patreon just for that. Lol 😂
I kinda do get destroying the crown so throughly- it's such a representation of the 'previous regime' I feel like it's kinda on the level of pulling down statues and for us it's a lost historical artifact, but for them it's a contemporary symbol of power for a monarchy that they'd jsut overthrown.
Yes, I can see too what the Parliamentarians' motivation was and there was some method to their madness, but I still get annoyed when I think about what they robbed from all of us, then, now and in the future. You make an interesting comparison regarding the statues. There's undoubtedly a whole conversation to be had there about whether such items should be destroyed or put in a museum.
Great video look forward to the next one.
Thanks Vernon. The premiere function was a learning curve, but I think it's worked well.
@@HistoryCalling I think it worked very well and from what people were saying I think everybody liked it.
You could have also referenced the Musgrave Ritual, Sherlock Holmes story.
I have seen what I believe to be the only Royal Crown to survive Cromwell, it is
in the Cathedral in Aachen ( Aix la Chapelle ) Germany. If I remember correctly it was a Princess's Crown. I am not sure how it ended up there but at least it is still intact.
Oh, I'm not familiar with that one. I'll have to look it up. There's the crown of Scotland as well though, which I have a video on too. It had quite the adventure dodging him :-)
It's the crown of Margaret of York, the sister of Edward IV and Richard III, who married Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, so it fortunately was long out of the country before Cromwell entered the scene. There is another, even older English crown, that of Princess Blanche, daughter of Henry IV, who married the Elector Palatine in 1402. It survived because it stayed with the Wittelsbachs in Bavaria. It can be seen in the Munich Residenz.
@@edithengel2284 Thank you for your reply. The Cathedral treasury in Aachen ( Aix la Chapelle ) is a beautiful place to visit with many other wonderful artifacts, also Charlemagne's magnificent tomb is there as Aachen was his winter capital. Next time I visit Munich I will definitely try to see the other crown.The reason I put the English name of Aachen in brackets is because once someone told me they couldn't find Aix la Chapelle and drove straight past Aachen!
Also, I fully agree with the former comment, the little figurine is most probably not from the Tudor State Crown. Why on earth would Charles I take it to a battle?
Yes it seems a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?
I did work on a house on Long Island that has the cabinet that the crown jewels were held in back then. It has been in thier family for generations
Many of the same comments could be made about Henry VIII’s destruction of ecclesiastical art, stained glass, etc., after he installed himself as head of the church. So I guess there’s a bit of a historical arc to the destruction of his crown by people who were fed up with the excesses of monarchical power.
Oh absolutely. He was a terrible vandal as well.
At this point, I'd find it more believable if it was found in a car park.
Eagerly anticipating your upcoming Margeret Beaufort video, any chance we'll see it soon?
Early in the new year I think, as I already have all my videos up to the start of January done. I'm working on a bio of a different famous lady at the moment actually :-)
Personally I like to think that Oliver smelted that gold down in his fire place while laughing maniacally
See I never imagine Cromwell laughing at anything. It's funny (no pun intended) how we can visualise the same historical characters so differently. It's part of what makes history so interesting I think.
@@HistoryCalling he's a rules for thee man just as much as any of them, laughing would of course be done behind closed doors
Do you also do the Dark Curiosities channel?
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Wouldn't the "top part" of a fleur-de-lis be the top PETAL, not a leaf, since fleur-de-lis literally translates to "lily flower" and it is a stylized lily flower???
You may be right, yes.
Ohh I know I know 🤣🤣🙋♀️🙋♀️🙋♀️🙋♀️ I'll still be eagerly watching though 🥰
Thank you :-)
Hello firstly I'd like to congratulate you for your excellent video's that you've been making. However I would like to learn about who was Edward The Confessor and when did he rule England? Again Congratulations On All The Video's that You've made to date. Could you kindly reply to me please. With Kind Wishes Amanda and I'm from Victoria Australia.
Hi Amanda, thanks for watching and commenting and greetings in Australia. Don't worry. More medieval history is certainly on my agenda for next year :-)
That sounds wonderful to me. If we don't speak again I'd like to wish you and your Family a very Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy and Prosperous 2023. With My Kindest Wishes Amanda.
Oh Victoria she needed that compliment to keep her going
Well I know little about Edward the confessor if you want I don’t know everything mind you
From the Roundheads' perspective, it was only 100 years old. Like us chucking out a Bakelite wireless.
The most expensive wireless ever though :-)
Thanks!
THANK YOU SO MUCH for the generous donation Rosie (or should it be Rosies? I wasn't sure if the s on the end was your surname initial so I thought I'd better mention them both :-) ). I'm glad you liked hearing about the lost Tudor crown.
@@HistoryCalling hi! Yes, the S on the end is the surname initial; there are a lot of just Rosie ladies out there. 😚 I greatly enjoy your content - you know how to explore and explain the most fascinating historical facts! Thanks for your great You Tube channel.
Thank you. I aim to please :-)
That went well. Please consider doing this again. Thank you so much, as always. Right, footy's on. Ha ha.😀
It did, didn't it? I wasn't sure what to expect and it's been a little bit of a learning curve, but I think I will try it again now that I understand how it works better.
@@HistoryCalling Numbers will follow once folk realise. People like a 'Live'. 😊
I hope so. It's a shame you're limited to 200 characters per response though. That kept catching me out. I'm not a 200 character kind of girl (which is perhaps why I never loved Twitter that much). :-)
thank you luv this vid!
Thanks Mary :-)
Hello Mary
Friday treat see ya in 21 hours!!😌
Closer to 21 minutes now :-)
What happened to the crown jewels of pre-Tudor monarchs?
Great video! I remember reading about the figure in the news, doesn't it look very similar to that on a replica of the crown? I have to admit it seems unlikely the king would lug a heavy crown onto a battlefield, but it is intriguing where it came from otherwise!
Funnily enough I don't remember this story on the news, which is weird for a history buff like me, but I enjoyed reading up on it for this video. I agree that I can't see something as ornate as this being carried into battle either.
It's a lovely little figurine and it would be nice if it came from a lost crown. It seems unlikely that the crown would have been on the battlefield in the first place though, the king couldn't fight while wearing it, and if he wasn't wearing it, why bring it along? It seems silly to carry such a valuable item into battle where it could easily get damaged or stolen by the enemy. I suppose it is possible that the figure had already fallen off of the crown and the king was carrying the deattached figure on its own as a sort of good luck charm but ended up dropping it. That seems a bit of a stretch though.
Also, that not very good drawing of St Edmund being beheaded made me laugh. The shocked look on the swordsman's face looks like he was just standing talking to Edmund and his head fell off.
I agree that it would be nice if the story was real, but it probably isn't.
Oh dear - laughter probably wasn't what the original artist was going for! :-0
It's mine all mine 🆘💰💵 perfidious Albion 💰💸
Hehe :-)
Or did someone at the mint salvage the little figure from the crown only to lose it on their way home? 🤔 lol
It would be wonderful if that was the case - a bit like when a couple of pieces of the Amber Room showed up about 50 years after WW2.
It seems unlikely that the figure is from the Henry VIII crown. However, it would not have been impossible that Charles I had valuables with him like the crown--not to wear, but because he had failed to find a safe place for them in the chaos of the war. But, if the crown was with him, with or without the religious figures, it was captured with the rest of his baggage by the Parliamentarians. Surely there would be some record of that event, had the crown come into Parliamentary possession at that time?
When Charles' descendant Bonnie Prince Charlie's personal baggage was captured at Culloden, it contained quite a few surprisingly valuable objects--though of course, not a crown! Kings, and would-be kings, travelled in state, even when in battle.
I strongly doubt that the figurine was from such an elaborate and heavy crown. It might, however, be a genuine relic from the battle. A museum would be the ideal place to have it properly authenticated.
Yes, I wonder what ever happened about it, as that news story is from several years ago?
Oh I hope it is! That’s neat
I wish it was true as well. It reminds me of when they found a little piece of the Amber Room after the rest of it was lost.
HENRY VI?! But, why?
Thank you so much for an informative video. One of my favorite channels! Good job as always. I join most others in my dislike of Cromwell. Among other things he took away a lot of the pleasures of the common people denying them, I believe, of their feast day celebrations. So cold hearted. I’m from the USA and in no way compare this to removal from public places statues of so called heroes of the US Civil War. Those were erected by racists decades after the war. I am all for them being moved to museums or private property though. Also I’m wondering what the value of the jewels in the crown would be in modern times compared to what they were sold for.
Regarding the feast days - I think you'll like my upcoming video :-)
Well, all the materials for the crown exist, somewhere.
They do indeed. Matter is never truly destroyed after all, just transformed.
Hello Dr Ms History! I’m coming to you live from Barry Island from a freezing cold coach!
It seems a bit strange to think someone said ‘Sire. Battle will be joined in the morning!’ and the monarch replied ‘pack my crown. The big one with the little figures. You know. The fragile one that risks falling apart if I walk too fast. I wish to wear it while I ride a horse and swing a sword!’
Far more likely someone took the crown at some point, probably during the republican period, and they took it off as worthless, or it fell off and they didn’t care to find it, if they even noticed.
Regarding the destruction of the crowns, I suppose with parliament being so broke from the years of warfare, it would make sense to sell off the jewels.
Greetings on Barry Island. Tis miserable in Northern Ireland at the moment too. Yes, I can't see Charles wearing this crown into battle either, though it makes for a great story.
@@HistoryCalling over in rainy cardiff now so they can watch that strange sport we didn't understand hehe. The heavens are open. Shame it can't clean the coach. Wet enough!
Yes it truly did, and I love that Charles is seen as being so out of touch that even now it would be seen as a legitimate thing he may have done.
Ah, you're from Barry Island!! I love Gavin & Stacey, & it looks like a gorgeous place.
@@beth7935 I'm so sorry to disappoint you but I'm not! I was away on a trip and that's where I was.
@@beth7935 but it is a nice place. Sadly a little run down and very boring in the off season.
Oliver Cromwell strikes yet again. I would love to hope that some part of this crown may survive somewhere tucked away and forgotten but I think if it did it would have probably been found by now and probably not in some field in England. Also, why bring such an expensive piece with him instead of keeping it securely locked up in the Tower where it would (supposedly) be safe? After all, there may have been some sticky fingered people would would definitely try to get their hands on the crown or some of its precious stones in an army camp.
Thanks Naomi. Yes, I agree that it seems an unlikely thing to bring to a battlefield.
@@HistoryCalling I'm afraid of bringing my backpack with my pin collection on it out in case I lose one never mind a crown!
seeing how cheap Henry VII was, it probably was VIII.
Well I suppose Cromwell did get a death sentence. It’s just that it was post-mortem! 😜
Yes, he was lucky Charles II didn't get to him while he was still alive.
Will you ever make a video on FIFA World Cup and the history of it and comparing Football legends to now football legends like Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo that will gain football fans attention and since FIFA is coming home maybe
Sadly I think probably not. I'm not really a sports fan :-(
@@HistoryCalling Maybe not footballers, but what has happened to various cups going missing, like the Jules Rimet trophy? Or how the Olympic games started? Or what the Olympic rings symbolise? Or what is buried under the pitch at Wembley Stadium?
It is so refreshing to see a NORMAL and ACCURATE history channel. I’m usually waiting for a vile dose of psychotic wokery from embittered political revisionists in newer history channels I stumble across. Needless to say, I am happy to say that I have subscribed and look forward to more content.
God bless you and yours, from the hinterlands of the former “Bay Colony” 😉
I could see the evil Cromwell destroying the crown himself or stealing it for himself
Not usually the kind of evil he participated in.
“They would have lost their head for this” - well yes, the whole point of the revolution was to end royal abuse of power, to make a country where you’re not going to lose your head over destroying a piece of jewellery 😂
The history of artifacts can be at least as fascinating as that of people. It's sad to think that such an important item was utterly destroyed. It would be amazing if the little figure was actually from the crown; it's a shame there's currently no way to really know. If it was, I think that would render it a priceless piece of English history! Very interesting story - the article you linked is very interesting, as well. Thank you!!
Thanks Connie and thanks for reading the article too. I never know if anyone is clicking on the links I provide :-)
@@HistoryCalling Always
The Tudor crown, was one of so many Ancient and Historical items forever lost
My heart sinks every time hearing treasures: "Destroyed under Oliver Cromwell"
Same here :-(
I know, right?😢
Actually, the destruction of the State Crown was about much more than just generating revenue for the new Commonwealth's coffers. It was intended to make a clean break with England's monarchical past, severing what was a very visible tie with the perceived tyranny of kings.
Yes, absolutely. Of course as we all know, it didn't work out that way in the end. It's just a shame so much history was destroyed for the sake of a 10 year (roughly) experiment with republicanism.
@@HistoryCalling You're absolutely right, it is a grievous loss.
@@HistoryCalling I've been curious about something, and perhaps you might address this in a video at some point. Have your studies of history made you a monarchist, or has it engendered a more antimonarchical perspective? Or are you, indeed, ambivalent about the monarchy? If you have addressed this before in a video, just point me to it, I'd love to watch. Alternatively, if you feel such a question to be a presumptuous imposition on your personal views, just forget I asked. 🤣
@@keiththorpe9571 I love your rich history, but as an American I’m a little bit like Oliver Cromwell. Haha (I’m curious too) where you stand on the monarchy today.
It is possible that parts of the Tudor crown still exist today, by that I mean some of the precious stones that were stripped from it and sold on, but we will probably never know for sure. When I was studying at university in 1984, I recall reading a newspaper report that some sort of receipt for gunpowder believed linked to Guy Fawkes had been found misfiled in some Archives. So there may be further documentary evidence lurking somewhere waiting to be found that may shed further light on the fate of the Tudor crown. Congratulations on another fine video. 👏
Oh absolutely. Some nondescript stones could definitely have made their way back into royal hands and been put into other objects, or be out there in other people's ownership. Maybe, as you say, some lost documents will show up to further illuminate matters.
@@HistoryCalling i believe there was a jeweler by the name of Cook (?), who bought stones and other bits of the crown jewels to keep them safe for when the monarchy was reestablished.
Oh, by the way, HC, I'm an amateur silversmith, and I thought I'd mention that today we use the term "bezel" to describe a collar of metal used to hold a gemstone securely on another piece of metal such as a ring, pendant or crown. If you look closely at the Imperial State Crown, you can see that the Black Prince's ruby is held in place by a bezel. Of course, prongs are also used, especially on rings, to elevate a transparent gemstone and let plenty of light sparkle through it.
Hi Ann. I didn't know that, so thank you for sharing. It's always nice to learn new things :-)
Oh so true
I would be curious to know what happened to the large ruby worn on Henry VIII's thumb, said to be stolen from St Thomas Becket's tomb, during the dissolution of the monasteries and the tomb of St Thomas. Thank you.
Oh, good question. I don't know I'm afraid :-(
I bet if you were being drawn and quartered, you’d feel differently about the English monarchy
Just wanted to thank you for enabling closed captioning on your videos my husband is deaf and it means I can share these videos with him we both love history
Of course. That's no problem at all and I'm glad they're useful for some people. I use my script for them, so they ought to match what I'm saying perfectly but please excuse the odd little typo you might see. I don't have much time for proofreading I'm afraid.
Let me get this right. Three images of Christ on the crown after the break from Rome was no longer acceptable, so they were replaced by 3 kings. It kind of sums up the whole protestant reformation in England.
Yup :-)
I was always interested in The Tudor Era. I was at the Tower in early October and my eyes melted at looking at the Crown Jewels. But if the Tudor Crown was in there, I think my head would of exploded! Damn shame it was destroyed.
I know. I have the same feeling when I see the jewels. At least we have the medieval Scottish crown jewels.
Everybody knows that Sherlock Holmes found the remains of the crown in The Adventure of the Musgrave Ritual.
Wouldn't it be incredible if indeed the little figure was off the Tudor crown, it would give us a better understanding of the crown itself. Great video as always, would love to see more videos like this especially about what happened to previous royal crowns
It would be amazing, yes. Given my propensity for shiny pretty things, (like crowns) I think you might get your wish :-)
@@HistoryCalling Oh yes!
It's such a shame it's been lost. It's beautiful.
I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Cromwell had something to do with it (ex inferna); after all, he and Oliver were related .... 🤔😂
Ah, you'll have to wait and see :-)
Have you made a video yet about the Irish Crown Jewels? I would LOVE to know more about them and the heist where they were stolen (especially since I’m supposed to be related to one of the suspects, Francis Shackleton).
How funny I find this video the day after reading a Sherlock Holmes story in which Sherlock recovers this very crown. If only! The story I heard about the supposed part of the crown that was found in 2017 was that it was believed to have been either dropped or buried by someone trying to hide it, but I can't remember offhand where I read/heard that.
The Parliamentarian actions remind me of the myriad of articles I read about relics (religious and not) destroyed and sacked by French Revolutionaries. My heart sinks deeper and deeper.
I think you are totally correct on the gems and jewels in the "diadem above" being the four gold arches. The numbers of the jewels, including the 3 triangle diamonds + the table diamond (table diamond most likely being a front center piece), they all divide into the number 4......so they could be equally distributed on the 4 gold arches!!!! It just makes sense! And, as they say, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer!!
Good point! :-)
It's possible the king carried the crown as a talisman and not actually worn or as a symbol of his authority placed beside him in a tent on the battlefield. In the midst of battle perhaps a piece was dropped or broken off by by an opponent or even carried off by a courtier.
They didn’t loose it, they pawned it. Henry had gone in a bit heavy with the wifey business so was short of the readies.
I don’t think it was truly melted down. I think someone made off with it 😂
Well. Look at the bright side. Margaret Beaufort wasn’t around to see the yard sale. At least the Tudors held on for three generations.
Very true. I must get going on my videos on her actually, for my series on the women of the Wars of the Roses ...
Yeah true I see you know more about generational stuff
I have such mixed feelings about Oliver Cromwell. On the one hand he was a driving force to make the English army uniform in training and service. On the other some of the (looking from today's perspective) strange things (like melting down the crown and selling off the jewels)...There are worse things attributed to him of course, but most historical figures have similar actions attributed to them as well. I too hope one day there will be more information found on the Tudor Crown
Yes, he has a very poor reputation in Ireland, but even I am willing to concede that he wasn't a cookie cutter villain. He had his positives too. Like you, I also hope more info. on the crown comes to light.
He was the descendant of Thomas Cromwell (Henry Vlll),and I am a direct descendant of Oliver's not sure if I should be proud??
A luscious topic for today, and a nice little mystery at the end! Perfect for a day when Americans are sleeping off a heavy holiday meal and many of us are resisting huge pressure from the retail industry to engage in conspicuous consumption.
You've just reminded me to go buy more face cream before Black Friday ends! :-)
@@HistoryCalling 🤣
I gave in to a "crown's worth" of conspicuous consumption last night.
It very common even in british history for people in power to destroy the relics of what they believe is a national threat. Symbols are psychologically important and regime changes often want a symbolic destruction of an old regime. Monarchical governments often did it in civil wars for very obvious reasons. There's no reason to think that that contravenes Cromwell's understanding of patriotism. His other actions however.
Oh yes I think inside his and the other parliamentarians' heads, their actions were patriotic. It's interesting to see too that the more things change, the more they stay the same. New regimes even in the 21st century often destroy symbols of the old too.
Thank you so much for another interesting episode of the Tudor History 👑
You're welcome. I thought this was a different kind of Tudor topic and made for a nice change from biographical videos.
What happened to the strings of pearls and all the pearls that were Elizabeth 1's??
Anything still in her possession in 1603 was inherited by James I, so his wife may have worn some of Elizabeth's jewels. After that, who knows? A lot was probably still in the royal coffers when Cromwell got there and sold off at that point.
@@HistoryCalling as they were beautiful,grey blue "natural" pearls,they must be worth a fortune now I guess someone has them
Yes so sure someone has them
Hope some of those jewels helped the needy
I hope so too.
@@HistoryCalling at least in the UK you have national health for your people Not so in the "so called democracy"in the states
Sometimes I feel....Henry VIII Thomas Cromwell and Charles I Oliver Cromwell = circulated karma.
I doubt that we will ever know if that little figurine did actually came from said crown. There is just no proof if the king had it during a battle. It is sad to know the crown was destroyed for any kind of personal gain, or any other reason. I think to keep such a treasure would be a object of bragging right’s, rather then allowing it to be destroyed. To me this Cromwell character is a shady person to begin with.
I doubt it too sadly. It would be a great story if it was true though.
Yes it would.
I can't wait! I already know it's going to be an awesome video
Thank you. It's a good story actually. I'd never heard much about it before researching this video.
@@HistoryCalling You're very welcome. I too never heard of the story till now. As an American I love learning international history.
Thank you. I wish more people were open to learning new things as well :-)
@@HistoryCalling You're very welcome.
Yes it was an awesome video I believe you like history just like me
Great job!😢 you are so right, history should never be destroyed! But learned from.😊
Yes, absolutely. It makes my blood boil when I see historical objects and locations being trashed, even when it's not my history.
I agree, including statues. Large plaques could be added to teach about the subjects. If they are obliterated you lose an opportunity to teach.
I love your videos. However, the context you give for current value of the crown is too low. I would instead look at what the current value of the current coronation crown would be. Straight inflationary calculations of 17th century currency or especially property are not accurate measurements.
What about the Royal treasures lost in the swamp when King John left his castle.
Thank you so much. ☺👍
"When you have exhausted all the possibilities what remains, however implausible, must be the truth" ... Sherlock Holmes.
I figure there are 3 possibilities.
1). Keeping the Conan Doyle theme he seems to have possibly answered that in "The Musgrave Ritual". {English Civil War}.
2). Colonel Blood kept it back.
3). Hidden in plain sight in front of 10 Downing Street. 😉
Great to hear about the Henry VI figurine. Time to start his rehabilitation. 🙂
Regards,
Edgar.
Thanks Edgar and excellent use of a Sherlock quote :-)
Gosh, I'd have looked very nice in that crown, I have just the outfit for it. So sad that it was broken up. Seriously, it is sad when national treasures are destroyed for money or to de-legitimize what they stand for. Cromwell was a royal pain--literally!
I know. I wouldn't have minded getting to try that crown on myself :-)
You do know that Cromwell wasn't the only Parliamentarian?
I have a piece of the crown, nowadays is serving as a paperweight in my office
Oliver Cromwell made a pretty penny when he sold the Crown Jewels. It’s sad that it is lost forever from history. Sigh
Thank you for your history lesson. Have a lovely weekend.
Yes, it's infuriating that one small group of people got to deprive the rest of us for all time of our collective history. :-(
Have a lovely weekend too :-)
how stunning this would’ve been 😻
I know. I wish we still had it :-(
@@HistoryCalling i’m with you!
Does anyone know if there other known examples of figurines of Henry VI given that he was regarded as a sort of saint minus formal beatification? If so, proving the figurine of Henry VI in the field came from the tudor crown seems quite difficult.
Excellent question, but one to which I unfortunately don't know the answer. Sorry :-(
Do they really think the king would go into battle wearing a heavy gold crown?
6:30 honestly wouldn't even surprise me if did indeed personaly do the deed
you are killing us vx
Killing you all with love and good history though (I hope) :-)
Sounds highly likely 👑
Cromwell and his people destroyed so much beautiful art, and outlawed Mince Pie, so it's not hard to dislike him.
I think you will like this Friday's video though :-)
Iv always thought that many of the jewels we keep locked up are copies and the real stones sold.That would say where the wealth comes from now days and it's a very rich family they have accounts in the Caymens.??
I wouldn't be able to tell the difference I'm afraid, when I see them in the Tower of London, so I'd certainly be easily fooled.
Thank you very interesting article, 🌻A newcomer to your channel🌻
Welcome aboard! :-)
Great film. Nice commentary.
I mean I get why it’s sad it no longer exists, but the idea of heritage and keeping our heritage only dates back to the victorians. They didn’t view the world like we do now, there wasn’t any reverence to historical artefacts and keeping them.
Hmm, I would politely disagree there. Just thing of the importance attached to holy relics for instance and the fact that items in the medieval crown jewels had already been kept for centuries by the time of Cromwell and Charles II tried to repurchase what he could.
I just thought to check what buildings might be in the Naseby area. The church of All Saints in Naseby was built during the 13th and 14th centuries and has the usual additions and repairs from the following years. It might be possible that a figure of Edward VI as a saint came from the church or some parishioner might have lost such a piece in the area. As others have pointed out, Charles wouldn't have been carrying the state crown to a battle. It may be that Naseby is so associated with the battle that other reasons for its location haven't been considered.
Excellent idea. I think that's more likely correct than that it came from the crown.
Oops, sorry. I meant Henry VI:) I don't think Edward VI would have had any truck with saints...
I love your videos! So informative. I would love to think that part of the Tudor crown was found, because its destruction is terribly sad and such a waste. Did kings actually wear crowns of such weight and value in battle? I know they are often pictured wearing one in paintings, but thought this was more artistic license. I cannot imagine why a king would think it a good idea, or even how it could be done? Anyway, linking this piece of metal to a destroyed precious artifact does seem very fortuitous.
Why thank you :-) Yes, they did have battle crowns so that they could be easily recognised, but I struggle to believe such crowns would have been as big, bulky and unwieldy as this. I envision something more like a circlet of gold that could easily fit over the top of a helmet. Henry VII was crowned at Bosworth using Richard III's battle crown for example (he had another coronation in Westminster Abbey too of course).
@@HistoryCalling A battle crown as you describe it makes much more sense. Thank you! I love your vlogs, they are fascinating.
What a tragedy!
I know. It's a loss for all us history nerds and jewellery lovers across time. It would be amazing to be able to see it today :-(
Yeah it’s a tragedy and lot more history
Loved it! You always make great videos on old English history, something brushed on during my World History in 9th grade.
Thanks Sean. I am a sucker for this kind of history as well so it's a pleasure to research :-)
@@HistoryCalling I'm a sucker for it too...and your voice, but mostly history. lol :)
Beautiful crown
Oh boy. Can't wait!!! Wish I could watch it now 14 hours I'll be glued to the t.v. notifications on!!
Thanks Victoria. Not long now :-)
another great video @historyCalling love all your content especially the Tudor period :) makes me want to watch the tudors AGAIN i know its not very historically correct but still such a great series, i wonder if you agree ?
Oh yes, it's great fun and not as historically inaccurate as a lot of people claim (though there are still some really inaccurate moments).
Fascinating!