I have to tell you how much I appreciate your videos Ben...not only as initial education, but as persistent reference and inspiration. I purchased the Fold Processor last year after shopping around for a while and settling on it after this video. Several months along and I was considering replacing it since I hadn't found much use for it, but I came back to this video instead and am inspired all over again. Yes, at first you help me spend my money :-) but you also help me save money in the long run by reminding me to make more creative use of the modules I already own. I thank you for that!
I was really on this fence about this module until I watched this video... thanks again for sending me even further down the rabbit hole with your exquisite content.
Finally took the plunge and ordered one of these after watching your video a handful of times. Feels like this thing will add some fun modulation to my setup and give it a little more character. Thanks for doing what you do.
Awesome! I’ve got one arriving via fedex TODAY! What a coincidence!! Now I’ll have an excellent video to inspire and instruct! Keep up the incredible work DivKid!!
Love the sound of the folder. The audio rate on inject is super cool too. Might grab one to combine with my A-111-3, with its 2 FM imputs should make a pretty stellar complex osc
This is my wavefolder. Despite the fact that it's kind of bulky, the tip top color scheme is a bit of an odd ball standout in my system, and there's integrated modules like the steady state gate, I simply haven't heard another wave folder that sounds this good. Got mine in a while ago and am 100% satisfied. Might even get the steady state gate still and just use this for wave folding
Yeah, I'm currently having a serious waffling between this or Intellijels Bifold to use pre-Instruō Tanh[3] - but I feel like this has more utility built into its obviously-larger footprint, and the newer black panel version would fit nicely! 🤔
I just wish there were individual CV-ins for each of those useful sub-octs: multiple phase-staggered LFO's on 2+ of them would make for some nutty morphs!
To be honest, I had decided not to watch this one because a) my system is full and b) I purchased WF-1 from Dan at the Leeds Modular Meet. What a mistake that was... So glad I popped in to give this some time while scoffing my breakfast :-) What I get out of most of your module "run downs," Ben, is ideas of what to try with my own stuff, even if I don't have the actual module being looked at. This one is another keeper for me and I will return to this in the future as I try out some of the stuff covered here with WF-1. And then when I think it is time to expand my system again, and assuming this wavefolder is still in production, it will be high on my list... cheers andy
Hi Andy, nice one RE the WF-1. However I'd say watch this and find some patch tips for using folders in general :) and you've said and done that exactly. So nice one.
My first module :-) Took the plunge last week & bought the Tip Top Happy Ending kit + the Tip Top Fold Processor to go with my Kirkpatrick Phenol. Nice. Was a very good feeling installing my first module into the Happy Ending kit. A small & modest start. But I'm having so much fun mangling stuff from the Phenol with the Fold Processor. I can see how people get hooked in to Eurorack. Looking to my next module. Like the look of the Tip Top Forbidden Planet filter. Also the Erica Synths Black series for more sound sources. Only issue is I feel I need more Banana to mini jack cables already! The Kilpatrick kit comes with 4 cables + a ground cable. The cables are fairly long as well. I'm on the hunt for some more banana to mini jack cables or a schematic for soldering my own possibly.
You can get banana to eurorack cables from Bug Brand. www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24&products_id=117&zenid=364f4930f3d56329b43c312c37ea93fe I'd email Tom and ask if he has any.
my first module too, cheapest effective module they had at Perfect Circuit when I went there last year - now my little Doepfer portable rack is full of fun/wacky modules to augment my synths and iPad apps, but I often go back to the first module for some cool timbres :-) nice vid Ben, always enjoy your input on SonicTalk
Yes! New to Euro Rack. Looking to build a modest Euro Rack (Tip Top Audio Happy Ending Kit?) to expand my Kilpatrick Audio Phenol's capabilities. Will need the Kilpatrick Banana to jack cable kit of course. But had in mind the Tip Top Fold Processor for my first module. Looks very interesting. Thanks for the video. I'm sold now ;-)
Hey, welcome to the euro side of things. The Phenol looks and sounds great, I wasn't aware that Kilpatrick made a banana to jack cable pack, that's useful. Will that also ground the two systems properly like you get Serge modular systems and adapter cables from Patch Point or Bug Brand? I think a folder/shaper is great addition to a semi modular synth. So good first choice.
DivKidVideo Yes the kit includes a ground cable. But it’s a 1/4” jack to 3.5mm jack for use from the Phenol to an unused 3.5mm connector on a Eurorack system. Confusingly Andrew uses one of the 1/4” audio inputs on the Phenol in this video. But the Phenol has a dedicated grounding connector so I’m not sure why he does this. There are only 4 banana to jack cables in the kit. Should be enough for me. But if you have a decent sized system you’d probably want more I guess. th-cam.com/video/LnZEmDNMekQ/w-d-xo.html
BTW, the Phenol is full modular not semi-modular. No patching, no sound. That’s one of the things that attracted me to it. I liked that it was an all-in-one system that forced me to patch, therefore learning more about modular systems. Was tempted also by the semi-modular Moog Mother 32. But in the end the Phenol won out. I really like it. I’ve learnt a lot using it and it’s nice to get away from the screen again ...... but now it needs some company 😉 Another Reason I went for it was that Robbie Bronnimann mentioned he had one on Sonic Talk. He really rated it so that was a good endorsement for me. It’s not been reviewed by Nick Batt on Sonic Labs. Would like to see it get the Sonic Labs review.
Amazing presentation! So many cool modular ideas you showed here. I wonder about the inject..is that a feedback loop? Really powerful...sounds real good also..and does so much cool stuff for CV. I'm using the Toppobrillo Tripple wavefolder. I find that using a VCA infront of the input helps me getting more tones from it. (need to test more with feedback to see if i get similar cool stuff as the inject). I quite like that it is 3 in 1 wavefolder that can be used separately. (I normally just use 2 stages coz it can get a little noisy with all 3 stages, but then i have 1 extra 1 stage folder for free!)That was a real nice tip with the 2 lowpass gates and separate gates to spice up a sequence!! Thanks, thumbs up!
Hi Magnus, thank you :) The inject isn't a feedback loop, think of it more as a symmetry control. But literally you can take it as a voltage offset injection. Off in the middle positive to the right, negative to the left. You can see it pulling the waveform up and down into the positive or negative clipping stages. Do do the same thing on the Triple folder you have I think you get a DC control I think? Bottom right knob. That should be similar. VCAs in front of filters/folders/shapers is a definitely good thing for more tones and dynamics. With this one when the fold is right down the signal is off anyway. As it's usually (always I think) a VCA at the front end of a folder that feeds the folder and ultimately determines how much folding.
ahh, i see. Will have to explore that more with the DC offset when i'm done with the patch i have patched up at them moment. yeah that is always nice to have a VCA infront of any module almost...hahah that is true. Esp. if it can saturate and boost the signal a bit also. can never have to many...... This Tiptop wavefolder seems to be a top-notch wavefolder for sure! Have a good day, see u in the next vid :D
Yes! Been thinking about which wave folder to get.... this might steal it for me. Your sequences are similar to how i use my setup so always great watching you! Going Synthfest in sheffield this year?
Mutable Instruments Warps does the most jacked wavefolding/shaping, especially with Parasites. I can Make My mother 32 oscillator growl like Serum with the timbre and level inputs being modulated
I vaguely remember trying years ago with the 4ms RCD. If I remember right I got better results using a comparator before the clock input so I can vary the level more suiting the changing folding peaks and troughs. I'd have to try it again though to really be able to say much about it. Short version though ... yes you can definitely do similar things with folders and clock dividers.
hey ben, great demo as always! question on this old video: what's the verb throughout? (erbe-verb?) and what's the LPG @ 23:20 ? thanks so much! hope you're well.
Hi Ben, it’s really interesting watching you test different sonic territories for different modules. How do you approach which sounds/aspects to show off? Do you just play around first with the module? Eg. This review focuses on melodic aspects/general usefulness whereas Alisa wave folder is mostly about how out there, and on-linear it is. Just curious, great review either way!
Hi P, not sure to be honest. But thanks for taking note and watching multiple videos and noticing differences. I just aim to show what something is, what the controls are, how it functions and sounds. Then just push it around in different ways and modulate it with different patches to show some examples and more of what it can do. I didn't intent to make this more melodic than the Alissa it's just what happened on the day I guess.
this looks like a great module . sounds awesome for " " soft clipping " " too . what other module would you recommend for soft clipping / saturating a signal ( nothing over dramatic like a full on disrotion ) ? but something that will add a bit of crunch . cheers .
RYO Optodist which is an LED based limiter and distortion is fantastic. Does warm and lovely stuff, VCA stuff, and more limiting or distorted should you wish too. That was an early video for me - th-cam.com/video/g0DqbyxZ1bM/w-d-xo.html - it maybe pushes it more than you want but it's great. The FEEDBACK modules Channel Strip modules (3 different ones) are great too.
The panel makes it look like the "ATTEN" knobs are bipolar, i.e. attenuverters. Note the + and - symbols on the panel. But it seems like they only attenuate the incoming signal (no inversion). Can you confirm?
it can process any audio you want to put through it. However more complex sources get messy quickly in wavefolders (in any, not just this one). The subdivisions will work too, however again more complex sources won't divide into subs cleanly.
got a different case to try it in? Remove modules from the system and try to isolate the noise, it might be picking up noise from something else, not generating the noise itself.
I have to tell you how much I appreciate your videos Ben...not only as initial education, but as persistent reference and inspiration. I purchased the Fold Processor last year after shopping around for a while and settling on it after this video. Several months along and I was considering replacing it since I hadn't found much use for it, but I came back to this video instead and am inspired all over again. Yes, at first you help me spend my money :-) but you also help me save money in the long run by reminding me to make more creative use of the modules I already own. I thank you for that!
This is a fantastic example of how amazing modular synthesis is. And how much Ben is good at it. So glad this module is on its way to my letterbox
I just picked one up! Gonna try all the examples you’ve showed here, thanks.
Nice one, hope the patches work out well for you.
I was really on this fence about this module until I watched this video... thanks again for sending me even further down the rabbit hole with your exquisite content.
Cheers Alon, much appreciated.
Finally took the plunge and ordered one of these after watching your video a handful of times. Feels like this thing will add some fun modulation to my setup and give it a little more character. Thanks for doing what you do.
Got one today! Thanks, Ben! Always appreciate your videos!
thanks Tony appreciate it.
Wow, sold in the first 35 seconds. Stellar work Divkid
It sounds fantastic, very impressed with the module.
DivKidVideo was easy to overlook this module until now. Thanks for sharing!
always good to cover things already out there and the new stuff.
Awesome! I’ve got one arriving via fedex TODAY! What a coincidence!! Now I’ll have an excellent video to inspire and instruct! Keep up the incredible work DivKid!!
Nice one Chris appreciate that. Have fun with the module and hope this is helpful.
I don’t even eurorack but your demos are just great teaching on sound/synthesis. Biggups.
Been using this module for awhile,a must have I reckon....great review mate!
Nice one Colin, appreciate that. Solid module for sure.
Saw this video and ordered the fold processor
Nice one.
a really priceworthy module with great potential of sounds
i have a crush on every wavefolder
I think they're the new filters, rather than the typical filter junkie thing we're seeing people with multiple folders/shapers now instead.
Love the sound of the folder. The audio rate on inject is super cool too. Might grab one to combine with my A-111-3, with its 2 FM imputs should make a pretty stellar complex osc
Yeah you could start to build up some nice complex osc stuff that way.
This is my wavefolder. Despite the fact that it's kind of bulky, the tip top color scheme is a bit of an odd ball standout in my system, and there's integrated modules like the steady state gate, I simply haven't heard another wave folder that sounds this good. Got mine in a while ago and am 100% satisfied. Might even get the steady state gate still and just use this for wave folding
Yeah, I'm currently having a serious waffling between this or Intellijels Bifold to use pre-Instruō Tanh[3] - but I feel like this has more utility built into its obviously-larger footprint, and the newer black panel version would fit nicely! 🤔
I just wish there were individual CV-ins for each of those useful sub-octs: multiple phase-staggered LFO's on 2+ of them would make for some nutty morphs!
This is a really lovely sounding module, was one of the first I got a year ago, I traded it with regret.
Ahhhh the ones you had that got away. We've all let things go and regret it.
Really affordable and interesting fold processor
Yeah sounds great.
crunchy and sweet sounding folder! and excellent demo!
To be honest, I had decided not to watch this one because a) my system is full and b) I purchased WF-1 from Dan at the Leeds Modular Meet.
What a mistake that was... So glad I popped in to give this some time while scoffing my breakfast :-)
What I get out of most of your module "run downs," Ben, is ideas of what to try with my own stuff, even if I don't have the actual module being looked at. This one is another keeper for me and I will return to this in the future as I try out some of the stuff covered here with WF-1. And then when I think it is time to expand my system again, and assuming this wavefolder is still in production, it will be high on my list...
cheers
andy
Hi Andy, nice one RE the WF-1. However I'd say watch this and find some patch tips for using folders in general :) and you've said and done that exactly. So nice one.
My first module :-) Took the plunge last week & bought the Tip Top Happy Ending kit + the Tip Top Fold Processor to go with my Kirkpatrick Phenol. Nice. Was a very good feeling installing my first module into the Happy Ending kit. A small & modest start. But I'm having so much fun mangling stuff from the Phenol with the Fold Processor. I can see how people get hooked in to Eurorack. Looking to my next module. Like the look of the Tip Top Forbidden Planet filter. Also the Erica Synths Black series for more sound sources. Only issue is I feel I need more Banana to mini jack cables already! The Kilpatrick kit comes with 4 cables + a ground cable. The cables are fairly long as well. I'm on the hunt for some more banana to mini jack cables or a schematic for soldering my own possibly.
You can get banana to eurorack cables from Bug Brand. www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24&products_id=117&zenid=364f4930f3d56329b43c312c37ea93fe I'd email Tom and ask if he has any.
Cheers for the link ;-)
no worries.
my first module too, cheapest effective module they had at Perfect Circuit when I went there last year - now my little Doepfer portable rack is full of fun/wacky modules to augment my synths and iPad apps, but I often go back to the first module for some cool timbres :-)
nice vid Ben, always enjoy your input on SonicTalk
I do love a good wavefolder.
Yeah me too, they're seemingly the new filters if the last year or so of releases says anything about the scene.
nicer folders out there...
Super great video
Thanks för sharing
Fantastic video, became a patreon just then. Keep up the good work 😃 it's educational and inspiring. And costly ;)
Seems like a pretty good value.
Yeah I remember thinking it was less than expected when I saw it.
Yes! New to Euro Rack. Looking to build a modest Euro Rack (Tip Top Audio Happy Ending Kit?) to expand my Kilpatrick Audio Phenol's capabilities. Will need the Kilpatrick Banana to jack cable kit of course. But had in mind the Tip Top Fold Processor for my first module. Looks very interesting. Thanks for the video. I'm sold now ;-)
Hey, welcome to the euro side of things. The Phenol looks and sounds great, I wasn't aware that Kilpatrick made a banana to jack cable pack, that's useful. Will that also ground the two systems properly like you get Serge modular systems and adapter cables from Patch Point or Bug Brand? I think a folder/shaper is great addition to a semi modular synth. So good first choice.
DivKidVideo Yes the kit includes a ground cable. But it’s a 1/4” jack to 3.5mm jack for use from the Phenol to an unused 3.5mm connector on a Eurorack system. Confusingly Andrew uses one of the 1/4” audio inputs on the Phenol in this video. But the Phenol has a dedicated grounding connector so I’m not sure why he does this. There are only 4 banana to jack cables in the kit. Should be enough for me. But if you have a decent sized system you’d probably want more I guess.
th-cam.com/video/LnZEmDNMekQ/w-d-xo.html
BTW, the Phenol is full modular not semi-modular. No patching, no sound. That’s one of the things that attracted me to it. I liked that it was an all-in-one system that forced me to patch, therefore learning more about modular systems. Was tempted also by the semi-modular Moog Mother 32. But in the end the Phenol won out. I really like it. I’ve learnt a lot using it and it’s nice to get away from the screen again ...... but now it needs some company 😉 Another Reason I went for it was that Robbie Bronnimann mentioned he had one on Sonic Talk. He really rated it so that was a good endorsement for me. It’s not been reviewed by Nick Batt on Sonic Labs. Would like to see it get the Sonic Labs review.
I like how it looks reminiscent of a Buchla module.
Definite Serge look to it. I like the new style they have.
@@DivKid I see what you mean. I'm not as acquainted with the Serge, I see I have some catching up to do. Thanks for the vids.
Amazing presentation! So many cool modular ideas you showed here. I wonder about the inject..is that a feedback loop? Really powerful...sounds real good also..and does so much cool stuff for CV. I'm using the Toppobrillo Tripple wavefolder. I find that using a VCA infront of the input helps me getting more tones from it. (need to test more with feedback to see if i get similar cool stuff as the inject). I quite like that it is 3 in 1 wavefolder that can be used separately. (I normally just use 2 stages coz it can get a little noisy with all 3 stages, but then i have 1 extra 1 stage folder for free!)That was a real nice tip with the 2 lowpass gates and separate gates to spice up a sequence!! Thanks, thumbs up!
Hi Magnus, thank you :)
The inject isn't a feedback loop, think of it more as a symmetry control. But literally you can take it as a voltage offset injection. Off in the middle positive to the right, negative to the left. You can see it pulling the waveform up and down into the positive or negative clipping stages.
Do do the same thing on the Triple folder you have I think you get a DC control I think? Bottom right knob. That should be similar.
VCAs in front of filters/folders/shapers is a definitely good thing for more tones and dynamics. With this one when the fold is right down the signal is off anyway. As it's usually (always I think) a VCA at the front end of a folder that feeds the folder and ultimately determines how much folding.
ahh, i see. Will have to explore that more with the DC offset when i'm done with the patch i have patched up at them moment. yeah that is always nice to have a VCA infront of any module almost...hahah that is true. Esp. if it can saturate and boost the signal a bit also. can never have to many......
This Tiptop wavefolder seems to be a top-notch wavefolder for sure!
Have a good day, see u in the next vid :D
great cheers and enjoy the Toppobrillo folder :)
Yes! Been thinking about which wave folder to get.... this might steal it for me. Your sequences are similar to how i use my setup so always great watching you!
Going Synthfest in sheffield this year?
Hey Michael, I'll be at Synthfest yeah. There's a lot of good folders around, this , Crossfold, Alissa Waveshaper etc. Hard decision to make.
brilliant mate
cheers
Mutable Instruments Warps does the most jacked wavefolding/shaping, especially with Parasites. I can Make My mother 32 oscillator growl like Serum with the timbre and level inputs being modulated
Yeah Warps is highly underrated the on board VCO is a big bonus for that too. Serum's my favourite soft synth.
@@DivKid I love Serum too
Growl like serum. That’s an oxy-moron.
25 min really creative !!!
Great vid mate. Very musical waveshaper. Are drums from the modular?
Yeah that's all modular. The filter 8 module next to this one (to the left) is actually making the kick sound.
awesome
Yeah really nice folder.
Every time I watch one of your videos, I can't help but fire up the modular system and play..
that's great to hear, enjoy your patching.
I wonder whether it is possible to patch up similar sounds using standard wavefolder and a frequency/clock divider...
I vaguely remember trying years ago with the 4ms RCD. If I remember right I got better results using a comparator before the clock input so I can vary the level more suiting the changing folding peaks and troughs. I'd have to try it again though to really be able to say much about it. Short version though ... yes you can definitely do similar things with folders and clock dividers.
hey ben, great demo as always! question on this old video: what's the verb throughout? (erbe-verb?) and what's the LPG @ 23:20 ? thanks so much! hope you're well.
SO MANY WAVEFOLDERS
SO MANY MODULES, SO MUCH EVERYTHING! :D
not a complaint. it's a wavefolder-lover's paradise right now.
I didn't take it as a complaint either, you're right so many potential colours and feature sets to choose from. It's great.
Hi Ben, it’s really interesting watching you test different sonic territories for different modules. How do you approach which sounds/aspects to show off? Do you just play around first with the module? Eg. This review focuses on melodic aspects/general usefulness whereas Alisa wave folder is mostly about how out there, and on-linear it is. Just curious, great review either way!
Hi P, not sure to be honest. But thanks for taking note and watching multiple videos and noticing differences. I just aim to show what something is, what the controls are, how it functions and sounds. Then just push it around in different ways and modulate it with different patches to show some examples and more of what it can do. I didn't intent to make this more melodic than the Alissa it's just what happened on the day I guess.
any videos on that SSSR Labs matrixarchate?
great stuff. What final vca or lpg do you use for this? THANKS
this looks like a great module . sounds awesome for " " soft clipping " " too .
what other module would you recommend for soft clipping / saturating a signal ( nothing over dramatic like a full on disrotion ) ? but something that will add a bit of crunch . cheers .
RYO Optodist which is an LED based limiter and distortion is fantastic. Does warm and lovely stuff, VCA stuff, and more limiting or distorted should you wish too. That was an early video for me - th-cam.com/video/g0DqbyxZ1bM/w-d-xo.html - it maybe pushes it more than you want but it's great. The FEEDBACK modules Channel Strip modules (3 different ones) are great too.
sounds nice, would it be worth to get the fold processor if i only have triangle and square waves to feed it?
The panel makes it look like the "ATTEN" knobs are bipolar, i.e. attenuverters. Note the + and - symbols on the panel. But it seems like they only attenuate the incoming signal (no inversion). Can you confirm?
Hi Michael, yes I noticed that too. But they are attenuators NOT attenuverters.
Thanks for clarifying! I'll try to keep my OCD from painting over those + and - symbols with liquid paper :)
I just think of it as more of less but it did catch my attention.
*sigh* Another module that I "need". Wonder why this isn't more highly regarded on ModularGrid? Seems great.
I don't pay attention to modular grid ratings so I haven't thought about it. I'd imagine most people don't bother ever rating anything.
so the fold processor can also work on external audio and still give you subdivisions/lower octaves?
it can process any audio you want to put through it. However more complex sources get messy quickly in wavefolders (in any, not just this one). The subdivisions will work too, however again more complex sources won't divide into subs cleanly.
@@DivKid thank you! I appreciate your info
What module provided the wavetables?
I believe that was Mutable Instruments Braids.
had to buy it! Ben .. honestly im gonna have to stop watching your reviews or get another job to fund this modular obsession....
:) you've got the fever ... modular fever!
promised myself id fill just one intellijel case! already half way into the second... doh! fever is right!
Hey, do you like this over Ufold II? Or is it more like two different flavors?
Different tone to them, different range of folding and controls. So yeah different flavours.
How does that saying go? "You can never have enough Wavefolders..."
oh that famous wives tale.
What cables are those?
patch cables.
don't quit your day job
I won't. I spend all day around euroracks!
Which part? There's various cables in the different patches.
@DKV - the skinny right-angle ones in the first half
Damn this thing sounds awesome. I couldn't live with the ghastly green and yellow In my rack though... do they still do the greyscale panels?
👁️♥
mine is really noisy, anyone else have this issue?
got a different case to try it in? Remove modules from the system and try to isolate the noise, it might be picking up noise from something else, not generating the noise itself.
Deelip