You know, sometimes I feel like I learn more from a couple hours of your videos than I ever did in shop class. Thanks for the hard work you put into these videos Keith, I really appreciate it.
I squeal when my wife stops feeding me! The new clamp for the camera is working well. Excellent work holding and turning. I learn something every time I watch. 'Til next time!
As always we learn stuff watching your steps. It’s been a while since you showed your pressure plate technique so it was a good reminder. Never thought about using the boring bar. Thanks for the video, JB San Diego.
V-belt drives can be a PITA! Years ago when I was in the Mill Supply business mechanical power transmission was one of the things I was the "Go To" guy for. Customer came in and said he need four "C" belts a certain length. So I grabbed them. He left. Came back later and threw them on the floor. "These don't work!" "Um. What's wrong?" "I can get two of them tight but the others flop around!" "OK. Wait. Are these all on the same pulleys?" "Yeah!" "Oh. You need matched length belts." "What does THAT mean?" "Give me a minute." Got a matched set and explained it to him. SOB didn't even thank me.
As was I. Kept that career for about five years until those new fangled auto cars came along. Concerned with my future I had little choice but to adopt slot car engineer until I retired.
I actually knew about diffent angles for different diameters, and there can just be one source for that kind of knowledge. You must have brought the subject up in an earlier video. This was a great crasch course in making pulleys. Thank you!!!!!
Hey Mr. Fenner funny I just had to machine two 10" Cast Iron pulleys yesterday, was my first time trying it had to go slow on the cuts but got it done. Cast Iron is not my favorite metal to machine :) thanks for the quick video. God bless, Joe Bennett
Man I watch these Antiffa folks and other groups of "modern society " Real Humans still exist and Can maintain that existence ! Bravo folks with you folks we can't lose! Thankyou and your followers!
"It don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing".....nice video Keith. I especially like the set up. Using a friction plate instead of some kind of mandrel set up was novel and interesting to me. Thanks
Back about a few dozen years ago, I was at an auction of a shop that was going out of business. Allot of "stuff" was on the tables with prices on them. For no reason at all I bought a set of form tools for v belts for just a few bucks. I've only used them a few times, but it's nice to see how to do it with out them. Thanks. Gramps
You sure did a v-belt groove before. I remember watching it, before I made a stepped pulley for my old lathe :) And you used a pressure arbor to turn the pulley. I had to do that as well to get some clearance for the compound slide. Pulley turned out fine but it did take few day in the freezing cold. One of my better projects :)
I'm glad your comfortable working next to the wheel of death. I would be all kind of frigged up. My wife would find me wrapped up in that. That just looks scary. My local machinist made me a 4 groove b belt pulley for my Mitsubishi 6D16 in my boat. Man he did a great job and I ran that for years until I repowered. I knew at the time it was an amazing feat. Thing bolted right up to the crank, ran true, and smooth. Machining is way above my level.
I don't remember the Campbells Soup thingy (I'm a little older than you are) - perhaps my mom got the train, and never told me. LOL But I do remember saving Mallo Cup (candy) inserts, worth free Mallo Cups - when you saved enough. I also remember the toy baking soda diving submarine my mom sent away for, from a cereal company. That was in, like, 1954 or so.
Hi Keith I enjoyed the video I have had to machine a few pullies over the years in cast iron & aluminium I have ground up a profiled H.S.S tool stoned doing a couple of roughing parting off grooves first. You are correct shortening the tool gives ridgity equals good finish accurate machining. p.s.I am the same vintage 55 Cheers Dibbo
Yep, I went to the hand book when I cut the belt groove in the aluminum crank pulley I made for my racing engine. No guess work when using the book. Good video :-)
What would we do or where would we be without that good book/bible. Aluminium chip control can be a real pain eh. I used to reface a lot of D8 engine shives and eventually made dedicated high speed tools for them. Really sped up the job. Thanks for a visit to my past bud.
I just checked my 1924 "good book" and V groove pulleys are not even a thing yet, only leather flat belts and manila round rope pulleys. the 2012 edition does cover 3V and A belts, still pretty close to your 1962 numbers.
How many guys (ladies included), want to be buried in non metric coffins?, Only joking, nothing malicious intended. Nice job, like the boring bar approach Keith.
Bosted Tap In the interest of good UK - US relations I'm going to be buried in a dual standard coffin. These special coffins have both metric and imperial sizes at the same time.
1 Meter = 39.3701 Inches. Divide by 1000 = 1 Millimeter = 0.0393701 Inches (roughly 39 thousandths) . That's the easiest conversion trick that I know. Easy to remember. So 10 mm = 0.0393701mm x 10 = .393701 Inch. Just a little bigger (0.017...") than 0.375"... or 3/8". Just saying.
Thanks Keith! Always something interesting! Would it be advantageous to mount the blank on the hub and then indicate the hub on the lathe in order to make sure the pulley ended up concentric with the hub? Maybe that overkill for this application. Thanks as always!
At about 23 minutes in, when I look at the bottom of the V on the right side, there is an apparent wobble in the taper. I don't get the physics/geometry of how that is possible. I have no doubt that it will be corrected at some point, but curious about the wobble part. Thanks! LOL! Never mind! Ear Bud Alert blew the wobble away!
samuel pine, I agree! V Belts drive from the sides and if they reach the bottom then they will not drive to the full extent or at all. Only other thing that I did not see mentioned was my good book (Machinists Bible as my father said) suggested file breaking the outer corners or perhaps another way of saying this will be deburing. Cheers from John, Australia.
Hello Keith, I learn a lot from your videos and appreciate the effort you put into them. I was wondering if if would have been quicker to just rotate the piece 180 degrees?
Hi Keith, great video. Do you just place the pulley blank between the fixed piece in the jaws, and the friction plate in the tailstock, or is there something in between, such as PSA paper, to provide additional friction between the materials?
Hello.!!! Thanks for replying friend! Is there any way you can see the option to see in Spanish what you are talking about? It's hard for you to translate Spanish like me, english It would be very interesting to be able to understand the videos that you upload to Yotu
The pressure plate he made would not have fit the other way, but surely he would have modified it if he had not found another bit suitable for the task.
Yeah I like too hss tool more than carbide tools to finishing pass was the material Cast iron or aluminum or... Noticed that many times it's easier to flip a pulley 180 and do other side. I don't hav hss inside bar Like you had🤧
Thanks for the knowledge I see a few people ask why not flip it around to cut the other side I have been watching you long enough to know if you could you would. The male and female part of the pulley kept you from doing that. Don't under estimate the master.
Why not flip the piece, and cut both sides toward the chuck, with the cutoff tool? That way, you're certain of getting the same angle on both sides of the groove.
I am not a machinist yet I have been watching yours and a few other you tubers for awhile and I was wondering how you set up the taper (?) or the angle from the out side to the inside for the V-belt? Maybe even what the attachment is called
I'm pretty sure I've seen you cut a v-belt pulley before. It was a fair while ago I think. Speaking of crazy metric numbers, did you know that the inch has been defined as ~0.0254 metres since sometime in the 1880s? Just something I recently found out.
Hola keith, como estas? muy bueno el trabajo!!! tuve que tocar las poleas de mi torno que ya termine, quedo bastante bien Como puedo traducir lo que hablas ? porque cuando pongo los subtitulo no me sale en español . Bueno te mando un saludo y abraso Ariel de T.M.P .
OK, dumb question from this simple guy - I can see the hub runs true with the lathe cause it was set up that way - but how is it we know for sure the bolt on hub is perfectly true with the pulley-? I think I missed something along the way cause I would never question your work Keith - im questioning my own lack of knowledge - thanks, mike
Hey buddy, just out of curiosity why change tooling and swing the compound rather than flip the part considering the setup (pressure turning w/ mandrel)? Thanks for the vid!
I would of trepaned a groove on the face of the slug to accomadate the other side..then just flip the part..no need to change tools or angles!!!--but thats just me lol
Sunday morning at 4 am eating chocolate chip cookies with my coffee and watching a master machinist do his craft, ,, life is good!
You know, sometimes I feel like I learn more from a couple hours of your videos than I ever did in shop class. Thanks for the hard work you put into these videos Keith, I really appreciate it.
Thought I knew everything about V-belts after 40 years in HVAC, humbled by the master again.
I squeal when my wife stops feeding me! The new clamp for the camera is working well. Excellent work holding and turning. I learn something every time I watch. 'Til next time!
As always we learn stuff watching your steps. It’s been a while since you showed your pressure plate technique so it was a good reminder. Never thought about using the boring bar. Thanks for the video, JB San Diego.
V-belt drives can be a PITA! Years ago when I was in the Mill Supply business mechanical power transmission was one of the things I was the "Go To" guy for. Customer came in and said he need four "C" belts a certain length. So I grabbed them. He left. Came back later and threw them on the floor. "These don't work!" "Um. What's wrong?" "I can get two of them tight but the others flop around!" "OK. Wait. Are these all on the same pulleys?" "Yeah!" "Oh. You need matched length belts." "What does THAT mean?" "Give me a minute." Got a matched set and explained it to him. SOB didn't even thank me.
I had to make a pulley so I figured I would see how the master does it.
Great video Keith, keep'um coming..
Keith was a train engineer when he was 7 years old!
As was I. Kept that career for about five years until those new fangled auto cars came along. Concerned with my future I had little choice but to adopt slot car engineer until I retired.
BNSF Engineer here, trust me, the toy ones are MUCH more fun. Nice pulley Keith. Thank You for sharing.
Thanks Keith, I used your video as a guide to machine a V-groove pulley today. Made the job real easy. Great job!
Keith, you are the Sultan of Swing....
Thanks for letting us in again, sir! Always a pleasure!
Hope your mom is continuing to improve!
I had the Kellogg’s train. H o scale from the cereal 🥣 box...in the early 80 s..haha ..as we get older the good memories keep us all sane... cheers
I actually knew about diffent angles for different diameters, and there can just be one source for that kind of knowledge.
You must have brought the subject up in an earlier video.
This was a great crasch course in making pulleys. Thank you!!!!!
I need to make a pulley too. The use of a boring bar is a great idea. Glad I watched.
Hey Mr. Fenner funny I just had to machine two 10" Cast Iron pulleys yesterday, was my first time trying it had to go slow on the cuts but got it done. Cast Iron is not my favorite metal to machine :) thanks for the quick video.
God bless, Joe Bennett
Always enjoy the camera work, good lighting and interesting angles, hats off !
Great surprise to find a new upload this morning! I hope you're doing well out there. Heard some crazy weather has been hitting, lately.
Thanks for your time Keith liked the set up
So THAT'S how tinsel is made! Nice!
Man I watch these Antiffa folks and other groups of "modern society " Real Humans still exist and Can maintain that existence ! Bravo folks with you folks we can't lose! Thankyou and your followers!
Nice job Keith, did a 3 groove in cast iron recently and the first thing I did was consult the good book. Cool idea with the boring bar.
"It don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing".....nice video Keith. I especially like the set up. Using a friction plate instead of some kind of mandrel set up was novel and interesting to me. Thanks
Back about a few dozen years ago, I was at an auction of a shop that was going out of business. Allot of "stuff" was on the tables with prices on them. For no reason at all I bought a set of form tools for v belts for just a few bucks. I've only used them a few times, but it's nice to see how to do it with out them. Thanks.
Gramps
My favorite notification is yours Kieth.
You sure did a v-belt groove before. I remember watching it, before I made a stepped pulley for my old lathe :)
And you used a pressure arbor to turn the pulley. I had to do that as well to get some clearance for the compound slide.
Pulley turned out fine but it did take few day in the freezing cold. One of my better projects :)
Nice job there Keith!! Another customer satisfied at Turn Wright Machine Works.
Always great.
I'm glad your comfortable working next to the wheel of death. I would be all kind of frigged up. My wife would find me wrapped up in that. That just looks scary. My local machinist made me a 4 groove b belt pulley for my Mitsubishi 6D16 in my boat. Man he did a great job and I ran that for years until I repowered. I knew at the time it was an amazing feat. Thing bolted right up to the crank, ran true, and smooth. Machining is way above my level.
...GETTING MESSED UP IS ONLY A POSSIBILITY: IT'S NOT A CERTAINTY- AND "WHAT YOU EXPECT, YOU EXPERIENCE"!!!
Great info . Always learning after many years in the trade . Thanks for sharing .
Thank you Keith. I really enjoy your videos.
Every time I watch someone turning something I find myself wanting to blow the chips of the tool... I can't be the only one ;-)
...PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT-!!!
I don't remember the Campbells Soup thingy (I'm a little older than you are) - perhaps my mom got the train, and never told me. LOL
But I do remember saving Mallo Cup (candy) inserts, worth free Mallo Cups - when you saved enough.
I also remember the toy baking soda diving submarine my mom sent away for, from a cereal company. That was in, like, 1954 or so.
Ouch! My brain cells holding the baking soda submarine memory hadn't fired in over 60 years!
I had one of those subs too. That was before screens were supplied to children.
You would have been such a great shop teacher. Love the attention to detail. Great video!
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Keith I enjoyed the video I have had to machine a few pullies over the years in cast iron & aluminium I have ground up a profiled H.S.S tool stoned doing a couple of roughing parting off grooves first. You are correct shortening the tool gives ridgity equals good finish accurate machining. p.s.I am the same vintage 55 Cheers Dibbo
Yep, I went to the hand book when I cut the belt groove in the aluminum crank pulley I made for my racing engine. No guess work when using the book. Good video :-)
Always great to watch new videos! Abrazo!
Thanks Keith always helpful information
Great video glad to see you on my notifications again
talented teacher!
Perfect as always!
Great job Keith!
Interesting video Keith as always thank you so much for making and posting it. Best Regards Sarah
Always good and I enjoy. Thanks
Groovy man ........
awesome camera angle,nice work!!!
What would we do or where would we be without that good book/bible. Aluminium chip control can be a real pain eh. I used to reface a lot of D8 engine shives and eventually made dedicated high speed tools for them. Really sped up the job. Thanks for a visit to my past bud.
I just checked my 1924 "good book" and V groove pulleys are not even a thing yet, only leather flat belts and manila round rope pulleys. the 2012 edition does cover 3V and A belts, still pretty close to your 1962 numbers.
Grooooovy video. Enjoyed your video Keith.
Dayco Top Gog belt....... Worked in the maint Dept of a Dayco Raw edge Belt Manufactoring Plant......You would be amazed at the process
Luv good books.
Something metric crazy number like 10 lol :))
Lol from here too
How many guys (ladies included), want to be buried in non metric coffins?, Only joking, nothing malicious intended.
Nice job, like the boring bar approach Keith.
Must be 10 mm if it’s automotive. I could get rich making 10 mm sockets and wrenches and selling to auto techs.
Bosted Tap
In the interest of good UK - US relations I'm going to be buried in a dual standard coffin. These special coffins have both metric and imperial sizes at the same time.
1 Meter = 39.3701 Inches. Divide by 1000 = 1 Millimeter = 0.0393701 Inches (roughly 39 thousandths) . That's the easiest conversion trick that I know. Easy to remember. So 10 mm = 0.0393701mm x 10 = .393701 Inch. Just a little bigger (0.017...") than 0.375"... or 3/8". Just saying.
Excellent !!
Great info thanks for sharing.
Just did a pair of double A pulleys for a gyroplane pre-rotator system.
Muito bom amigo!!!Como sempre muito bom ver o amigo trabalhando!!!Abraço amigo!!!Like!
Thanks Keith! Always something interesting! Would it be advantageous to mount the blank on the hub and then indicate the hub on the lathe in order to make sure the pulley ended up concentric with the hub? Maybe that overkill for this application. Thanks as always!
that was an old hub and looked to be worn on inside diameter, machining a full bore mandrel is a bit over board. ;{)-------
Good video, thanks!
At about 23 minutes in, when I look at the bottom of the V on the right side, there is an apparent wobble in the taper. I don't get the physics/geometry of how that is possible. I have no doubt that it will be corrected at some point, but curious about the wobble part. Thanks! LOL! Never mind! Ear Bud Alert blew the wobble away!
Yes I wondered about that. Maybe an artifact of the camera which couldn't pick up the chip.
LMAO! Some crazy metric number like 10. Keith knows everything metric is divided by 10. Crazy! lol
Thank you
don't be concerned about the 'root' belt won't go down that far for those watching. sam
I was going to ask a question about that, as it appeared to be non-symmetrical (side to side) as we watched it spin.
samuel pine, I agree! V Belts drive from the sides and if they reach the bottom then they will not drive to the full extent or at all. Only other thing that I did not see mentioned was my good book (Machinists Bible as my father said) suggested file breaking the outer corners or perhaps another way of saying this will be deburing. Cheers from John, Australia.
Could you of just flipped over the pulley on the lathe and made the 2nd side of the groove with the same parting tool?
Floyd R. Turbo maybe only the side of the pulley touching the chuck was true?
THE PULLEY WAS PROBABLY TOO CLOSE TO THE LATHE CHUCK TO DO THAT-!!!
"BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR- YOU MIGHT GET IT!!!"
Hello Keith, I learn a lot from your videos and appreciate the effort you put into them. I was wondering if if would have been quicker to just rotate the piece 180 degrees?
Hi Keith, great video. Do you just place the pulley blank between the fixed piece in the jaws, and the friction plate in the tailstock, or is there something in between, such as PSA paper, to provide additional friction between the materials?
Any tips on achieving a radial groove or U groove for 1” wire rope on a 12” OD sheave?
Thanks for the video
Turns out if you have a small radius on the hub you can keep a flat belt centered on the hub.
...DON'T YOU MEAN A "CROWN"?!
@@daleburrell6273 I mean what I said …. If you want to call it a crown, go for it
Thanks sir
Hello.!!! Thanks for replying friend!
Is there any way you can see the option to see in Spanish what you are talking about?
It's hard for you to translate Spanish
like me, english
It would be very interesting to be able to understand the videos that you upload to Yotu
Click on the CC button on the video. Then click the gear next to it. Select auto-translate. Scroll to Spanish. Select. See if that is close.
Keith, your audio is always excellent. Do you use a lapel mic and if so what brand/model? Excellent job by the way.
How about swapping sides of the disk instead of troubles with new cutter and clearance?
Good work
Thank you very interesting
Im just curios why you didn’t just turn the blank around to cut the other side ?
Would it not have been okay to flip the work around and use the 19° compound angle already set and do the second cut?
The pressure plate he made would not have fit the other way, but surely he would have modified it if he had not found another bit suitable for the task.
Male and female registers. ;{)-----
THE PULLEY WAS PROBABLY TOO CLOSE TO THE CHUCK TO DO THAT!!!
Yeah I like too hss tool more than carbide tools to finishing pass was the material Cast iron or aluminum or...
Noticed that many times it's easier to flip a pulley 180 and do other side.
I don't hav hss inside bar Like you had🤧
Male and female registers. ;{)-----
@@KeithFenner yes i noticed that in this project...
Comment was more like if it is possible to flip....
Thanks for the knowledge I see a few people ask why not flip it around to cut the other side I have been watching you long enough to know if you could you would. The male and female part of the pulley kept you from doing that. Don't under estimate the master.
Why not flip the piece, and cut both sides toward the chuck, with the cutoff tool?
That way, you're certain of getting the same angle on both sides of the groove.
@@JorgTheElder If you look closely, you can see that the bottom of the groove varies in width.
Male and female registers. ;{)-----
after the air blew the cutting fluid away it runs perfectly. ;{)------
some crazy number like 10 LOL
Keith, do you think the V angle for tight pulleys would change or more so stay consistent when using AX as an example or slotted belts?
I am not a machinist yet I have been watching yours and a few other you tubers for awhile and I was wondering how you set up the taper (?) or the angle from the out side to the inside for the V-belt? Maybe even what the attachment is called
I'm pretty sure I've seen you cut a v-belt pulley before. It was a fair while ago I think.
Speaking of crazy metric numbers, did you know that the inch has been defined as ~0.0254 metres since sometime in the 1880s? Just something I recently found out.
Hola keith, como estas? muy bueno el trabajo!!!
tuve que tocar las poleas de mi torno que ya termine, quedo bastante bien
Como puedo traducir lo que hablas ? porque cuando pongo los subtitulo no me sale en español .
Bueno te mando un saludo y abraso Ariel de T.M.P .
I got the translation on the first sentence !
I need to work on the rest. :-)
Buen dia amigo
@@TheAyrCaveShop He wants to translate the videos into Spanish because the Auto subtitles cant keep up
a form tool might work also
YOU'RE A LOT BETTER OFF CUTTING ONE SIDE OF THE V GROOVE AT A TIME- INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO A PLUNGE CUT!!!
Excuse my ignorance, is 'The Good Book' the machinist hand book?
Yeah they are the machinist bible
...AS I RECALL, THE TITLE IS: "THE MACHINERY HANDBOOK"!!!
A Very Groovy Pulley...
but did you use the metric angle?
Neat job Keith, did you get my box yet?
OK, dumb question from this simple guy - I can see the hub runs true with the lathe cause it was set up that way - but how is it we know for sure the bolt on hub is perfectly true with the pulley-? I think I missed something along the way cause I would never question your work Keith - im questioning my own lack of knowledge - thanks, mike
...IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH-!!!
Where can I find this book? Or a book similar?
...ANY MACHINE SHOP SUPPLY COMPANY CAN GET YOU A COPY: IT'S CALLED: "THE MACHINERY HANDBOOK".
I really enjoy your videos but operating a lathe especially that size wearing long sleeves and a watch scares me.
...THAT KIND OF SETUP POSES A VERY SLIGHT RISK OF AN ACCIDENT: BUT "TURNING WORK BETWEEN CENTERS" IS VERY HAZARDOUS!!!
Hey buddy, just out of curiosity why change tooling and swing the compound rather than flip the part considering the setup (pressure turning w/ mandrel)? Thanks for the vid!
Male and female registers. ;{)-----
Very nice0
So why the "oh shit" on the notification picture?
Been there done that, but I used stronger language!😉
...FOR THE HELL OF IT-?!
I would of trepaned a groove on the face of the slug to accomadate the other side..then just flip the part..no need to change tools or angles!!!--but thats just me lol
...well, "ya can't please EVERYBODY!!!"
couldn't you just turn the pulley over and cut the second side
Male and female registers. ;{)-----
Groove-V
...YOU BETCHER LIFESAVERS-!!!
Is that a Campbell's Soup can holding lube on your lathe? lol
I hope that's an old phone, ya know just in case ..
Or purchased the damage waiver
...PHONES ARE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE ANY MORE!!!