Historian Reacts - Siege of Vienna Part 2 (Extra History)
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Totally true about grenades. King Arthur famously had the Holy hand grenade of Antioch way back in the day.
First shalt thou count to three…
It was also very effective against a horrible demon rabbit
Is a demon rabbit like a Roof rabbit?
Fun Fact: legends say King Arthur once found a coconut in Mercia
@No Three, sir!
It amazes me how often battles and wars are win on the strength of buildings. In a weird way I think it’s why Caesar was so effective. (I know different war but same lesson. Walls win wars)
Or how Hussite used wagons as mobile walls.
i can’t go five minutes without thinking about how impressive caesar was
@@anttibra wagon boys gonna wagon
The Japanese where invaded twice by the Mongols, and twice the Mongol fleet got wiped out by hurricanes
IIRC this is where the term Kamikaze comes from. The “Divine Wind”
Fast fact, did you know that the American invasion for Japan during ww2 was also hit by a typhoon before the planned date of the invasion?
The staging area was in the Philippines and was hit by massive storm, however the US still had the atom bombs.
there’s only proof of the 2nd second divine wind, the first invasion is still up for debate
Typhoons*. Hurricanes are in the East Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.
@@victornunes900 aren't they like literally the same thing. Big sea storm with winds and fuck tons of rain?
We often think of pre World War One wars as glorious but stories like this remind you that war is was and always will be hell.
Glory is a lie designed to trick people into doing insane things.
Oh it certainly was glorious... For the winning side
Invicta has a great video on the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans, might make for a good reaction if you get the chance.
Yesssss. One of my favorite history videos
If you want to see these kinds of defenses (revellins, countermine tunnels, moats, defensive lines and hidden tunnels for movement) completely intact close to home, here in Puerto Rico we have two fortresses built between the 16th and 18th centuries by the Spanish. If you ever come over, I can gladly give you a tour!
4:14 This style of fortification is known as Vauban fortification. Though it was pioneered in Italy during the Italian Wars in the 16th century, French engineer and general Vauban, who served under Louis XIV in France, really developed it to its maximum, theorizing both the defensive aspects and how to take it, digging trenches toward it, etc.
Pickaxes, a very underrated weapon in warfare. Durable, Heavy, and can be used in a variety of ways without training. One beefy swing with a pickaxe has a chance of punching a hole in all but the most well crafted armor, but it’ll definitely leave a dent
As a Pole this is one of our proudest moments. Sadly its one of our last. After this battle we will not score a single victory until 100 years later when our country was already dead. And sadly its also the last great victory of Sobieski who will die in ilness growing encrasingly weaker to the infulence of corupt nobles after trying and failing to score a win in i think Moldova.
The downfall of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a shame. It unfortunately forecasted a long time of troubles for your country.
@@Priceluked well as much as id like to blame others it was really our own fault that the Commonwealth fell
Sad for Poland. At least you guys got some great Sabaton songs about it.
Respect from Turkey bro Poland still had a proud history
WWII should be one of your proudest moments as well. Outnumbered, outgunned, and outflanked against two superpowers on either side. Without the heart you guys fought with and the damage you did, it's very possible the war ends differently.
Hi love the channel also subbed to all other channels and podcast keep up the good work
Pfft...grenades are so old, even Saruman used them in the third age to blow up Helm's Deep.
I have heard, from reliable sources, that Hussars of the winged variety are on the way... ;)
Fingers crossed!
I think something really cool for VTH extra is discuss some tv shows you like some historical or some not. Perhaps even your thoughts on the finale of Peaky Blinders! Love the podcast and don’t shy away of talking about your family’s historical connections genealogy is fascinating
The interesting thing to me about grenades is that they've come and and out of use several times since the introduction of gunpowder, and even before to some extent. The Byzantines used Greek fire to accomplish a similar purpose, and there were cases in really ancient Greek sieges where they would throw small clay pots filled with burning toxic substances.
Even though the ottomans lost this war, the bravery on both sides was amazing from the soldiers. Just wait till the next episode when the calvary arrives :3
@JAHANGİR KHAN (MUGHAL) I guess the ottoman didn't?
@JAHANGİR KHAN (MUGHAL) Sorry I dont speak Gibberish
@JAHANGİR KHAN (MUGHAL) the ottomans sucked and lost lmao
@JAHANGİR KHAN (MUGHAL) least idiotic nationalist
@JAHANGİR KHAN (MUGHAL) Salty
Undermining has been going back to the Roman's if I remember right.
Usually to divert water or light big fires.
I think apt phrasing would be that this is reducing/removing an enemy's force multiplier.
I’m getting ready to say it for the next part lol
I have to wait til tomorrow for the winged hussars to arrive!
Sadly the Roof Rabbit made a comeback.
Here in the Netherlands we have the word Dakhaas, dak = roof and haas = hare. May be an older word, but most know it from the Dutch famine of 1944/45.
Always a pleasure! Now off to listen to a bit of Podding Through History
I didn’t know much on this and the Ottoman Empire but the more I learn the more interested I get
I love learning the history behind Sabaton songs. It makes them so much cooler to listen to. Learning what the build up to when THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED was has given me a new understanding of how epic that song is.
one of my favourite quotes (dunno from whom though) is: no plan survives first contact with the enemy..... in some way that accounts for weather as well
also yeah i was surprised as well to learn grenades have been a thing for a long, long time. i believe they had something like those even during the crusades, if not earlier than that even
Our saying in my infantry battalion was that a plan is a long list of things that won't happen
The disadvantage of having the policy of sacking and enslaving a city who refused to surrender is when they do resist, they fight harder
well as if they have other choice, its either sacking and enslaving or killing all of them like what the Mongol did. Its not like today, we cant put all of the citizen as a prisoner of war, that will just make it worse cuz we have to feed them and let them live without any benefits. At least enslaving them will give something back which is free labor. killing them would just be a waste of free labor.
Messenger- "THE BEACONS OF VIENNA! THE BEACONS ARE LIT! Austria calls for aid!"
Silence
John III-"And the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will answer! MUSTER THE WINGED HUSSARS!"
As this is the largest cavalry charge in history, my mind goes to the other great and beloved cavalry force whose arrival made a battle.
yeah.. and in that charge were just 3,000 Winged Hussars and 15,000 other cav (Primarily polish, but also a good part of german cav). And of course the bloody infantry that fought for hours before the charge was called.
This wasn't like RotK's cav charge, where Rohan sweeps through a huge chunk of rested troops. The charge was the final nail in the coffin, after the infantry had already battered the ottoman lines.
The 3rd part is called: "charge of the winged hussars" .. and i hoped they will finally debunk the myth around this.. the infatery won the battle and the hussars (totally outdated unit at that time)+heavy german cavallery charged the remaining troops down.
I am not sure Hussars or other Polish cavalry outdated at the time, however, it is true that Hussars reached battlefield very late due to rough terrain when Ottoman army is about to rout. All of infantry assault of Germans became successful until this time, however, Polish cavalry charges was repelled by Ottoman cavalry and Ottoman cavalry even counterattacked Poles. Sobieski wanted left flank charge from Charles de Lorraine in order to divert Ottoman charge Sobieski barely hold. German Heavy Cavalry charged Ottoman right flank and rout Ottoman army, Ottoman center spontaneously dispersed when they saw rout of right flank. Even after that, Sobieski was preparing his famous cavalry charge. Poles cavalry charged and broke Ottoman lines, Ottomans resisted half an hour and inflicted Poles heavy casualties again. In summary, Polish army performed pretty bad even though Ottoman flank against Polish was the weakest one. Polish contribution to victory is almost none.
It fascinating that people keep Underestimate bad weather during warfare until it's too late BTW you should check Kings and generals Mongol invasion of Japan.
When you talk about sieges and the acts that follow failure to surrender. A good example is Cromwells campaign in ireland.
The Netflix show peaky blinders features characters that suffered from varying degrees of PTSD from hand to hand combat in trench mines where German miners break through their walls.
About to watch part 3. Gotta say I'm pumped 🙏
For anybody who hasn't checked out three podcast, you really should. Chris is my favorite TH-camr, and I've still found the early podcast episodes to be some of his best work. You're cheating yourself if you don't check it out.
I feel like VTH is the realistic heir to Mr. Terry, it makes me sad to say but Mr. T’s channel has been struggling for a long time and I feel like VTH has been so consistent in that period
I really like your videos
Speaking of mining and explosions.. have you ever watched Beneath Hill 60? Damn good WW1 film about 1 of the largest non nuclear explosions ever done, it was in Ypres but apparently there were a large number of people in South East England who could hear it
An old German gunners proverb said "Prayers and plans all are in vain when an angle pees in your vent".
I am from Vienna and I was told, that, to locate the miners they had basement post with drums and grain on it so you can hear better or see the grain jumping on the drum.
The main character in Peaky Blinders was a counter miner during WW1 and frequently has flashbacks to it.
Weaher.
It's the same thing for Belgiupm. 3 of our most iconic wars/battles (according to us) were descided by wet ground.
- 1302, Gilden spurs battle at Kortrijk. Wet ground made the heavily armored French knights sink in the mud; they couldn't move, they were all killed and we stole their gilden spurs .
- WW1: we stopped the Germans by flooding the fields near Ypres. The people who regulated the "polders" irrigation had the power to open the water flow and flood whole regions.
-The Battle of Waterloo. Wet ground made it hard for Napoleon to manouvre his cannons.
By the way, I"m going to the reenacment of the battle of Waterloo tomorrow. Never done it, I think it will be fun.
Obviously I'n not saying ithe weather was the only thing that mattered. But it mattered
Great video,also a suggestion you should do a video on king Phillips war.
Military can hold out longer in a siege than civilians can.
Tang Dynasty's Defense of Suiyang: Tang Pyrrhic Victory; 20,000 - 30,000 civilians eaten.
I'm glad I'm not the only cat consumer that calls them roof rabits.
I grew up with looney tunes but I’m only 24 lol. They had big 3 hour (I think 3 hours) blocks of them on boomerang and Cartoon Network.
I have to agree on the weather determine moments or battles.
In the Battle of Puebla (May 5 of 1862) the weather conditions previous to the battle and during the battle help a lot to the defeat of the French Army
One interesting character that was ommited in this series is count Zdeněk Kašpar Kaplíř ze Sulevic. He was appointed by emperor Leopold to lead provisional civilian government in the city. It was him who handled all the logistics for Stahremberg and even twice assumed the command of the defences of the city when Stahremberg was first wounded then fell ill. For his efforts he was promoted to the field marshal... three months after Stahremberg, fact that no one in the imperial court and Vienna itself liked because Stahremberg promotion meant that he skipped two ranks.
One more intersting fact about him is that he was grandson of Kašpar Kaplíř ze Sulevic one of the leardes of Czech rebelion that started 30 years war. He fought in it as well against Habsburks but he switched sides in 1639 when he realized that he could loose all his property and he wouldn't let such unimportant things as a faith to stand in his way. He then had a long and succesful career in the empire's army and politics.
Fun fact, a covered trench or tunnel dug to approach a fortification safely is called a sap, digging them is called sapping, and the people who dug them sappers. That is why to this day combat engineers are called Sappers in many armies to include the US Army.
13:00 Imagine being trapped alive in those tunnels. Either wounded in the fighting and left for dead or trapped when the enemy grenades sealed you in. That much earth is quite literally a tomb.
Do you know Tim Barton by chance? Was with him the other day and it hit me how simular of fields yal were in.
I was wondering if anyone said this, THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED! Sorry, I had to.
Love the channel, exceptional content.
I believe I heard you say you have played Hearts of Iron 4, how about Civilization 6?
Wow. Anticipation!
I think I heard that defenders use dead bodies as a type of sandbags for the desperate defense near the keep.
The Siege(s) of Vienna are by far the historical events I am most interested in, as well as the whole Great Turkish War. I watched a documentary about the 1529 one when I was just a Kid and the whole setup was so fascinating, this clash between Ottomans and Holy Roman Empire, Christians vs Muslims (of course it was waaay more complicated than that, as you said) and all the thousand events surrounding it, how they even influenced each other over time.
I read everything I could get my hands on about this conflict, even bought books, so yeah I would say what the American Civil War is for you, the Great Turkish War is for me.
And just last Month I visited Vienna again and did a tour of all the important sites tied to this conflict (sadly the Wall and most of the defensive buildings were demolished)
There is just sooo much to learn about it, after 15 years I still find new stuff. Legend goes that after the 1683 siege the Viennese raided the turkish camps and found coffee beans, and initially thought it to be horse fodder. When they found out you could make a tasty hot beverage out of it, that was presumably the beginning of the vienna coffee house culture, which is a whole different thing in itself.
And again, thats just the tip of the Iceberg. It truly is a topic worth digging in.
Sandrhoman has an amazing video about Sieges (of Vienna)!
In Vienna Count von Starhemberg got a lot of tributes but the winged Hussars are something the international audience is more interested in than the national. They are not really remembered in Austrian/Viennese history apart from their leader Sobieski.
I think there are a few reasons for that...
1) Local elitism, in the sense of increaseing their own role (and the Imperial-German parts of the reinforcing army)
2) They have their own heroes to remember, the defenders of Vienna itself.
3) The Winged Hussars are the glamorous elites, and especially after Sabataon's song, the one thing a lot of the international audience knows about, while the Viennese (and possibly other areas that are more conencted to the battle) have a somewhat broader knowledge, like the fact that the Hussars were only 3,000 out of 18,000 cav total. Even if they don't know that specifically, there might be more attribution to the helping army as a whole rather than the Winged Hussars in specific.
7:56 “Weather is one of the factors you can’t account for.” Admiral Yi predicts when the tide changes and uses that to help destroy the Japanese navy 😂
That is the "Tide" not wather. the tide works like clockwork.
i completely agree about timing and there are so many little things that make you think "what if" scenarios throughout history, like weather or shift of soldiers or you will see next episode crimean khan's forces did not try to fight relieve force
Also about tunnel workers(in turkish called lağımcılar);
There was a movie about fall or conquest of istanbul or constantinople (whatever you want) and all the tunnel workers were muscular men like really big and oily men it was not funny but i couldn't hold myself because every soldier in the movie was regular men but tunnel workers were like producer's gymbros
Noooo, don't eat the roof rabbits!
Have you done an episode on Historia Civilis? id like to see your takes on his roman videos
Roof Rabbits. That's what I learned today. My life is complete.
Hi, Chris, very interesting again, strange you mentioned weather. We were talking on Discord the other day and discussed whether the rain overnight changed the outcome at Waterloo. People must genuinely be starving to eat their cats.
According to Napoleon, not having Berthier and Bessiere with him was the main factor. But well, as said on another channel, this battle probably didn't change much, and at this point he would have had to win 10 Waterloos to make the allies willing to negociate. If it was possible at all to make them change their mind.
Sandrhoman has great videos about sieges, too.
I found an amazing book from the sterling company of Ohio (circa 1895) I'd love to pass this on to a fellow history buff that will treasure it as much as I have
You should do their Cuban missile crisis series it's really good!
So we get the word grenade from the French word for Pomegranate? Cool
10 bucks says he’s going too bring up collocations and how Eisenhower deserves alit of credit tomorrow
I would like to recommend watching videos from the TH-camr BazBattles. The channel has made some really well made and well researched videos about many great battles in history, even ones that are not as well known but still amazing to learn.
6:17
It was, "Taking a wrong turn at Alber somerhing," right?
Only really familiar with the swedish dubing of it. Different towns.
EDIT: And so, I shuld just have continued to watch instead.
Chris after doing the reaction videos on Extra History, I hope you can react to Epic History tv, 1917:Russia's two revolutions that you haven't react after the 5 parts of History of Russia.
Japan was saved because they fortified the beaches and the Mongols refused to listen to the warnings of Korean sailors. It wasn't a fortuitous storm. The Japanese and Koreans knew a storm would come eventually. The Japanese knew they just had to hold out until a storm came. The Koreans warned the Mongols needed better ships to withstand the storms of the Tsushima Strait. Ships the Mongols didn't want to pay to build. The Mongols thought those cheap ships didn't matter because... who listens to Koreans?
If you are interested in some really good siege videos I'd recommend the sandrhomanhistorian
Check out Sabaton history : White Death.
Another moment which could be vital but doesent get talked alot about in the west is that the crimean khan had a bad relation with Kara Mustafa Pasha. Crimean Tatars didn't try to stop the polish-german cavalry from crossing the river nor charged them from the back
will you make a video about the Hungarian Revolution of 1848 ? and its war for its freedom ?
Hey Man i see you in your Ipswich shirt in other video, i live about 2 and a half miles from the Ipswich ground, im not from Ipswich im from Enfield home of the Lee Enfield ,Bren and Sten and other guns and a Spurs fan
How long did it take to mine a tunnel?
In ww1 it took months. Depends on the war and the men involved.
@@VloggingThroughHistory RIP the organ
@@VloggingThroughHistory my back hurts even thinking of that much digging. Thank you for the answer!
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED
Hey, can you react to Albert Einstein vs Stephen Hawking (Epic Rap Battles Of History)
I need to recommend the TH-camr Drachinifel to react too. He is a naval historian covering mainly from the age of sail to 1950. His work is very detailed. I would recommend the 3 part series on the salvage of Pearl Harbor. The videos about the battles of Samar and Cape matapan. As well as his biography’s.
I would also add that his video about the west Africa squadron ending the slave trade is excellent. Highly recommend.
Interesting
You have to give both sides credit for their shared bravery.
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This system of surrender in peace as christian or muslim, or have your leaders killed and be pressed into slavery is actually a very liberal doctrine for Islam; Born of the better 1/3 of Islam, these nicer factions had great religious freedom not only for that time and compared to other sects of Islam, but also compared to christians of the same time period.
Make reaction to slash Alden and the third crusade
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i always belived grenades was and old thing but we only hear about them more or less in ww2 and i think thats why we think its a modern invention
Talking about Midway and timing is a great comparison. some of the dive bombers only found the carriers cause they followed a Japanese ship that had split off from the fleet to hunt an American submarine earlier in the battle. They arrive at the perfect moment as the enemy air cover had gone to low too intercept them due to fighting earlier raids by torpedo bombers.
I'm gonna try to get my editor to make a intro video for you and hopefully you want to use it
Appreciate it. I have an intro video but analytics say they actually cause people to be less likely to keep watching so I don’t use intro videos anymore.
@@VloggingThroughHistory good point
@@VloggingThroughHistory my personal issue with Intros is when you have stuff that's a series and which is overall cut in a way that you can jump from one video into the other... and hten you have a 30 second to 2 minute intro video... everytime... it adds up...
Many people have said this already but I kind of feel sorry for the Polish because the austrians so gracefully pay them back later by stabbing them in the back
100 years later, poland was a corrupt mess destroying itself thanks to incompetent leaders and a greedy nobleclass - it was swallowed by its neighbours, poles living under Austrian rule had it at least better than the ones under prussian and russian rule, they could still teach their language and culture
not even 100 years ago germany brought europe to its knees, now its basically the country that holds europe together
I can't recommend these series enough .Please do react to the Extra Credits series called as 'The Conquest of India'. Also, I recommend the series by the same creator on the Majapahit Empire of Indonesia, and videos of the channel- 'Odd Compass'. It will be quite a pleasure seeing more people learn about the history of my part of the world- the Indian Subcontinent. Also if you can, do react to at least the first two parts of Kraut's series on The Mexican American Border, as they don't involve modern politics, and on the Indian Subcontinent and the societal development of India and China if you can. Please do consider them for your videos in the near future.
Anyways, love your reactions to extra credits series and learn a bit of history that I didn't know before.
08:35 i mean there is the whole soldier type called "Grenadier", even if they stopped using Grenades after a while.
17:30 "We know what happens next!" 3,000 Fancy Elite Cav stealing the credit from the German-Polish infantry that battered the Ottoman army and the 15,000 other cavalry that charged with them? :P Sorry for that cynicism, but I've just seen it far too much in jest or in seriousness reduced to "Winged hussars!!!"
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Till this day there is a Austrian swear word: Kurzitürken. Those are describing the Hungarians fighting for the ottomans: In English it means Turks with crosses
Should do the Warsaw uprising extra history epidsode
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Then the winged hussars arrived!