Thank you for this video, really. 3:44 this part made me understand what to focus on in every match. I heard this so many times, but the way that you presented really made something clicked . Gonna continue watch this guides. They are really helping getting in fighting games. Thank you.
A lot of people asked for a shorter intro in the poll so here ya go. Episode 2 should be up for patrons tomorrow. Also join the Chemical Lovers discord channel: discord.gg/YQYQs49
As someone who recently got into fighting games this video really helped me get a better attitude. I don't play DBFZ but this really applies really well to the genre at large. I think something that can help is having someone to play regularly to gauge your own progress against. I joined a discord group with some people and asked them for matches regularly and after I asked them to tell me if they could where I screwed up. It's been very good since it has helped me learn my blocks, zoning and combos. Without the advice I'm pretty sure I would've rage quit by now. I've also gotten a couple wins, which is a nice morale boost. I'm not an amazing player, but I've seen improvement which really feels great. So yeah, thanks for the video, because it helped me keep grinding at this genre which is so freaking fun.
Looks great! This should be a big help for a lot of players. Going into a game with a certain mentality is sometimes a better first step than even learning how to play. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Great video! I was so focused on single player mode that I really felt it when trying multiplayer! I can't wait tips for starting ot use assists. I still play with too many characters. I love Goku and Goku black but I can't find a 3rd one yet. So much to learn
I'd like to add a small caveat in this with the talking to players and asking for help. I, as an old fighter, will happily attempt to improve the overall player base as, like you said it's more fun, however alot of the current generation is more interested in the win loss numbers, and if asked for help use the git gud line, which further lowers people's want to improve. So I'd have said look for a good community that IS willing to help.
Loved the video, today I got into a. Match with waaaay better player than me, the guy destroyed me like 6 games put of 10 but I got a little better with each match and learned a lot about my mistakes and what to fix for. The next match so I think this video is really on point!
Reminder that there wasn't such a discrepancy of effort between fighting games and literally everything else and single player games required pattern memorization, timing and understanding of the underlying system as well. Nowadays they fell victim to what is commonly known on the internet as "casualization". Great vid btw.
yea this is the unfortunate thing. modern game design tends to reward non-strategic play where you just grind for stats as opposed to actually learning any of the systems in depth. so many players take this mindset into fighting games and instantly dismiss them as if they are too hard when in actuality its the conditioning they've had from mainstream shit that probably developed their taste the way it is. its very reminiscent of how the fast food industry conditions peoples taste for high sugar/fat in foods at which point everything else just seems bland
I think winning every once in a while can be effective feedback, though. It's why people often improve more when they fight opponents near their own skill level, as opposed to getting trashed by much better players over and over, even though, yes, you could pick out things to learn from one-sided beatdowns if you really, really tried.
Great video - subscribed! I really appreciate your catering to folks who are getting into this for the first time. My biggest difficulty with dbfz so far is trying to learn fancy combos and mix ups and situational counters but I feel like I don't have the fighting game basics down, so I'm still getting wrecked online by autocombo spammers. A lot of TH-cam tutorials assume the person you're playing against is applying strategies but I'm still in the pit of folks who are rushdown light autocombo mashers and I don't know how to beat them. When I'm blocking an autocombo, how do I counter? When? Some characters seem to have different openings in their combos, and above that some characters have different reach and speed with their ability to counter. Anyway great videos and I'm looking forward to more!
4-5 auto combos will usually be enough to finish a character off, and well optimized combos will usually take 2-4 depending on the combo potential of the starters and meter burned. Since it takes relatively few openings to finish a character off good defense is incredibly important. The problem isn't that they're using autocombo, it's that you're getting hit enough times for it to whittle you away. If you have decently optimized combos and you're losing to that it means that you're losing the neutral game. "Defense" in this game has three major parts to it: Stopping aggression and approaches from the enemy, knowing when and how to get out of block pressure, and knowing how to safely approach and apply guard pressure yourself. The nice thing is that all of this is just knowledge and recognition. Break down what approach options your opponent has and find out what counters it. Do they dragons rush from full screen? Use low heavy. Is that Kid Buu or Android 21 spamming low medium? Stay in the air and block low when on the ground. Figure out when the opponent is vulnerable in their block string. Usually, it's going to be after they use a special move. Sometimes you can jab them out and start a combo, but you should always be able to reflect them off of you or vanish out since there are no blockstrings that put you in blockstun forever. Also, keep an ear out for how often you get "Countered!" if it happens quite a lot you should just be more patient with your blocks. Low level players with autocombo rushdown get absolutely destroyed by very defensive players. Of course I didn't say much specific, but I think until novriltataki gets some videos on neutral game and defense out this kind of thinking and study should help you out in the meantime.
Thanks for the thorough reply, super helpful stuff. It seems like if I just autocombo spam right back I can win 50% of the time, but if I play defensively and try and be tactical I lose 100% of the time. Seems like there's a pretty big chasm between beginner and intermediate at this game. You're right I'm constantly getting countered. One thing I think I have trouble with is finding & punishing the opening. I'm almost always blocking combos but when I try and punish at certain times I whiff then I get L or M autocombo'd to death. Rinse, repeat. Looking forward to improving! I wish I had folks IRL to play with.
I will learn this game like i did with dark souls ... walking stray thru the pitch black of the tomb of giants with only my guts and my pack of nuts ...
Hey, do you suggest a watch the guilty gear series to get better at dbz? Or will that only confuse me more? Thanks for these videos btw, these videos are a wonderful tool for us noobs.
Great video, and explained in such a simple way that anyone could understand. My only note is that the narrator reads the script a bit fast sometimes, making it a little hard to follow/understand sometimes. I would recommend going through and making absolute sure that the performance is as clear and annunciated as possible going forward. Excited to see more!
Great points. Though it should be said getting hit isn't always a mistake per se. Playing badly is a mistake, but making wrong reads despite playing well is just a nature of the Rock Paper Scissors element within all fgs
This is good advice. But alot of beginners who never play fighting games dont have this mindset. They just wanna jump in and mash buttons and win. Sadly enough. Good advice but wondering how much non fighting gamers will actually take this to heart
Yes but what if you are a beginner and the game is just to fast for you to understand while being able to hit some easier 6k damage combos in practice mode?
Can't block shit. Can't react to overheads. Can't react to dragon rushes. Never know when to attack. Can't find a single non asshole player who wouldn't rape me three times in 8 seconds. Worst part is that I'm not even overreacting.
Thank you for this video, really.
3:44 this part made me understand what to focus on in every match.
I heard this so many times, but the way that you presented really made something clicked .
Gonna continue watch this guides. They are really helping getting in fighting games.
Thank you.
This video applies to all fighting games and should be mandatory for new players to watch. Great job!
Agreed. This covers all the reasons one friend of mine get upset when they are stomped by me and by our other friends.
I’ll check it out as I’m trying to get into Tekken 7 now and if it should be mandatory for all players to watch I wil check it out
this gave me a huge morale boost because as a noob to competitive fighting games, i approached the game and still do in the same manner described.
I’m here because I’ve had the GuiltyGear Crash Course saved for a while but decided to pivot to DBFZ, glad you cover several games!
Get down to rock!
Get up to burn!
Stand with your pride
Never fear your desire
You must’ve
Heeaaaaarrrdd it 😈
A lot of people asked for a shorter intro in the poll so here ya go. Episode 2 should be up for patrons tomorrow.
Also join the Chemical Lovers discord channel: discord.gg/YQYQs49
It's a really good compromise between keeping the hype of the older intros without going over 10 seconds. Nice work!
Yes, the shorter intro feels much better
As someone who recently got into fighting games this video really helped me get a better attitude. I don't play DBFZ but this really applies really well to the genre at large. I think something that can help is having someone to play regularly to gauge your own progress against. I joined a discord group with some people and asked them for matches regularly and after I asked them to tell me if they could where I screwed up.
It's been very good since it has helped me learn my blocks, zoning and combos. Without the advice I'm pretty sure I would've rage quit by now. I've also gotten a couple wins, which is a nice morale boost. I'm not an amazing player, but I've seen improvement which really feels great. So yeah, thanks for the video, because it helped me keep grinding at this genre which is so freaking fun.
Finally! Been waiting on this series to start!
This is the best explanation I've seen on how to approach fighting. Thanks!
This video deserves an Oscar. Thank you so much for this, for me and my friends.
You and Core A Gaming are doing the noobs so much justice
Looks great! This should be a big help for a lot of players. Going into a game with a certain mentality is sometimes a better first step than even learning how to play. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Great video! I was so focused on single player mode that I really felt it when trying multiplayer! I can't wait tips for starting ot use assists. I still play with too many characters. I love Goku and Goku black but I can't find a 3rd one yet. So much to learn
thanks for the video and you give out great points that I a fellow fighting game fan will follow this advice so I can improve a dragon ball z fighters
Great vid man! Can't wait to see 2nd episode. I've been using your vids to my brother get better.
I'd like to add a small caveat in this with the talking to players and asking for help. I, as an old fighter, will happily attempt to improve the overall player base as, like you said it's more fun, however alot of the current generation is more interested in the win loss numbers, and if asked for help use the git gud line, which further lowers people's want to improve. So I'd have said look for a good community that IS willing to help.
You are doing the lord's work here.
IT'S HEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LET THAT CHILD ALONE.
Loved the video, today I got into a. Match with waaaay better player than me, the guy destroyed me like 6 games put of 10 but I got a little better with each match and learned a lot about my mistakes and what to fix for. The next match so I think this video is really on point!
We love you!
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Great intro to the series!
Big love for this intro episode
Reminder that there wasn't such a discrepancy of effort between fighting games and literally everything else and single player games required pattern memorization, timing and understanding of the underlying system as well. Nowadays they fell victim to what is commonly known on the internet as "casualization". Great vid btw.
yea this is the unfortunate thing. modern game design tends to reward non-strategic play where you just grind for stats as opposed to actually learning any of the systems in depth. so many players take this mindset into fighting games and instantly dismiss them as if they are too hard when in actuality its the conditioning they've had from mainstream shit that probably developed their taste the way it is. its very reminiscent of how the fast food industry conditions peoples taste for high sugar/fat in foods at which point everything else just seems bland
I think winning every once in a while can be effective feedback, though. It's why people often improve more when they fight opponents near their own skill level, as opposed to getting trashed by much better players over and over, even though, yes, you could pick out things to learn from one-sided beatdowns if you really, really tried.
Keep those coming.
Cue most winners shit-talking the hell out of their foes lolz
Looking forward to it!
Great video - subscribed! I really appreciate your catering to folks who are getting into this for the first time.
My biggest difficulty with dbfz so far is trying to learn fancy combos and mix ups and situational counters but I feel like I don't have the fighting game basics down, so I'm still getting wrecked online by autocombo spammers. A lot of TH-cam tutorials assume the person you're playing against is applying strategies but I'm still in the pit of folks who are rushdown light autocombo mashers and I don't know how to beat them.
When I'm blocking an autocombo, how do I counter? When? Some characters seem to have different openings in their combos, and above that some characters have different reach and speed with their ability to counter.
Anyway great videos and I'm looking forward to more!
The next episodes should get you covered.
Awesome! Throwing some $$ your way on patreon. Keep up the great content.
4-5 auto combos will usually be enough to finish a character off, and well optimized combos will usually take 2-4 depending on the combo potential of the starters and meter burned. Since it takes relatively few openings to finish a character off good defense is incredibly important. The problem isn't that they're using autocombo, it's that you're getting hit enough times for it to whittle you away. If you have decently optimized combos and you're losing to that it means that you're losing the neutral game.
"Defense" in this game has three major parts to it: Stopping aggression and approaches from the enemy, knowing when and how to get out of block pressure, and knowing how to safely approach and apply guard pressure yourself. The nice thing is that all of this is just knowledge and recognition. Break down what approach options your opponent has and find out what counters it. Do they dragons rush from full screen? Use low heavy. Is that Kid Buu or Android 21 spamming low medium? Stay in the air and block low when on the ground. Figure out when the opponent is vulnerable in their block string. Usually, it's going to be after they use a special move. Sometimes you can jab them out and start a combo, but you should always be able to reflect them off of you or vanish out since there are no blockstrings that put you in blockstun forever.
Also, keep an ear out for how often you get "Countered!" if it happens quite a lot you should just be more patient with your blocks. Low level players with autocombo rushdown get absolutely destroyed by very defensive players.
Of course I didn't say much specific, but I think until novriltataki gets some videos on neutral game and defense out this kind of thinking and study should help you out in the meantime.
Thanks for the thorough reply, super helpful stuff. It seems like if I just autocombo spam right back I can win 50% of the time, but if I play defensively and try and be tactical I lose 100% of the time. Seems like there's a pretty big chasm between beginner and intermediate at this game.
You're right I'm constantly getting countered. One thing I think I have trouble with is finding & punishing the opening. I'm almost always blocking combos but when I try and punish at certain times I whiff then I get L or M autocombo'd to death. Rinse, repeat.
Looking forward to improving! I wish I had folks IRL to play with.
Excellent video.
I actually loved the intro :(
I will learn this game like i did with dark souls ... walking stray thru the pitch black of the tomb of giants with only my guts and my pack of nuts ...
Hey, do you suggest a watch the guilty gear series to get better at dbz? Or will that only confuse me more?
Thanks for these videos btw, these videos are a wonderful tool for us noobs.
It would probably help.
Great video, and explained in such a simple way that anyone could understand. My only note is that the narrator reads the script a bit fast sometimes, making it a little hard to follow/understand sometimes. I would recommend going through and making absolute sure that the performance is as clear and annunciated as possible going forward.
Excited to see more!
But why do this when I could just ragequit?
Comp cuz that’s bad sportsmanship and no one will like you.
cuz that's a loser's mindset.
lmao the joke going right over your head^^
I swear I want to ragequit EVERY SINGLE MATCH I play of this game.
wise tips
I miss the old narrator, his voice was awesome! Good shit tho, keep it up.
Specs is too busy and can only do the proofing right now.
The new one is awesome as well!
Great points. Though it should be said getting hit isn't always a mistake per se. Playing badly is a mistake, but making wrong reads despite playing well is just a nature of the Rock Paper Scissors element within all fgs
Frizen (ﾉД`) lol
This is good advice. But alot of beginners who never play fighting games dont have this mindset. They just wanna jump in and mash buttons and win. Sadly enough. Good advice but wondering how much non fighting gamers will actually take this to heart
finally yessss
YES!
is that so
When next part?:)
For patrons tomorrow. Public in a week or so.
novriltataki So i will patronite You later today :-)
Read the perks carefully.
I gave You my 5$:) Keep working! Waiting for my video:)
Yes but what if you are a beginner and the game is just to fast for you to understand while being able to hit some easier 6k damage combos in practice mode?
Ugh keep watching I guess?
That voice....
I'm so profoundly sorry I bought this game. :(
Why?
Because I can't even move when I'm playing with other people.
Block and wait for your turn to attack.
Can't block shit.
Can't react to overheads. Can't react to dragon rushes. Never know when to attack. Can't find a single non asshole player who wouldn't rape me three times in 8 seconds.
Worst part is that I'm not even overreacting.
Well, the video is very nice, though. Take my like.
Just play cell
vini maneiroXD or android 16
My dude, your channel is amazing, but you really should remove your intro.