(2016) Defensive Knives PT 1: Benchmade SOCP Dagger - Preparedmind101
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- Preparedmind101 begins the Defensive Knives review series with a highly interesting option, the Benchmade SOCP (Special Operations Combatives Program) Dagger.
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I just bought it (I live in Italy). I got the plain dagger, mine is sharp on both edges (very sharp), my best guess is that the double edged blades are illegal in some states in the US therefore a carry permit is needed. So it is in Italy for instance. The knife is great, clearly it has one and only purpose, stabbing. It's a black class Benchmade designed almost exclusively for military and law enforcement. PREPAREDMIND is damn right on the clip and I think I'll follow his advice. I highly suggest it, especially if you have some sort of fighting training, the concept is great and carefully designed. A must have for military/armed forces. But as a civilian I usually carry EDCs, I'd carry it for urban walks but then again it's like winning the lottery. You may just leave your house with it and nothing bad happens, you may leave your house without it and get trouble. And that dagger, gentlemen, is one bastard trouble solver.
P.S. get the trainer too, just playing with it at home gives you high confidence with the knife.
Cheers
come hai detto, è illegale il double edge in italia, ma per fortuna c'è quello con single edge. Comunque non ha senso indossarlo al collo come lui...al massimo al contrario
This is the best review I saw on the SOCP dagger so far. All the other reviewers have not mentioned that the regular its not sharpened so I was under the impression that the regular one had very sharp edges. The Nite Ize Eclipse was a great suggestion but I not very convinced of the cutting abilities of the civilian model because it's a very narrow blade.
I have been watching videos on this knife for a while as a back-up to carry on my vest at work. I went with the dagger style but sharpened both edges when it came in. Now it will work not only as a stabbing weapon but will slash as well.
Just bought the dagger today. They may have updated it since this video because mine came with a full length cutting edge.
Great review! Got the combo edge version following your advice. A few things that I would like to point out:
1. This is the only fixed blade knife out there with a sheath that can fit discreetly in your pocket, right next to your smart phone
2. It fits more securely in hand than all tactical pens, while weighing only twice more (sheath included) than most tactical pens
3. It can be used as a more effective pry bar than most "edc pry bars"
Thanks for the info on the nite ize clips. I have 2 of these SOCP knives and when I pocket carry it always pulls out with the sheath. You have literally saved me a ton of stress dealing with this problem.
Chris, I dont think I have seen a video this good on the SOCP dagger! I am not a mall ninja. I am a regular guy looking for the best defensive carry with a firearm and think I've found what I'm looking for. The modification you came up with is excellant and I want to give you kudos for that! I will be buying this in the future and for your awesome review I will buy from your Amazon website page! Thank you! Thank you again for your awesome and honest reviews you are one of the best knife and gear channels out there! Keep 'em coming and we will be watching!
Great Review Chris! Thanks for pointing out the difference in function between serrated and plain edge functionality. I don't usually go for serrated knives, but in this case it makes more sense - especially because I'm NOT a special operator and it is MUCH more likely I'll use this for edc tasks than stabbing a bad guy!
Sorry Chris I didn’t realize you had this video. Just wanted to let you know, they’ve updated the dagger so both side of the blade is razor sharp now. Just bought one here at Ft Lewis, WA
the combo knife would work a lot better for the things that I do on a daily bases and great vid chris
The SOCP rescue tool is made for rescue and also less than lethal self defense.
No... It's not. It's designed as a defense knife.
+Zoraldo_MMO he means the new recie tool model. has a carbide glass breaker, oxygen wrench and strap cutter
@@hi161g It’s a handy tool working in the ER AND ALSO a clever way to carry it in the hospital and has the benefit of being utilized in the same manner as the dagger…if it comes to that.
Great knife hade it for about 2 years belt clip a not great retention sheath comes out with knife sometimes but works great with riggers belt
Sean Rosendorf u could put it inside your pants. That way it wouldn't slip off your waistband that easily.
Listening to the video...I was a little repetitive in it. My bad. Probably could have edited that better.
+PREPAREDMIND101 Chris, sorry for OT, but what's that star trek watch on your right wrist for, if you don't mind telling? Thx.
+dullbrass That's a Garmin VivoFit 2 fitness tracker. Hooks to my Scosche Rythym+ heart rate monitor when I'm doing cardio.
I don't know whether or not you've seen it before but a more expensive alternative to this would be the hardcore hardware ASOT. almost the samething, except maybe even better than the socp.
+PREPAREDMIND101 Thx for the quick reply! Thats too much high tech for an old man like me :D
Twice the price.
I was looking at the rescue hook version to wear on my duty belt. Mainly because as a belt cutter/ window breaker, it's useful, plus it's sort of tough to explain a fixed blade dagger on a Law Enforcement uniform. But I still feel that the rescue hook could still be used defensively, just not as a cutting tool. I think if you had to stab someone with it, they'd still be hurting.
@jason miller, yes you can. i carry this exact knife everyday in texas.
totally agree on the combo serrated blades for edc knives... nice vid
Thanks for the heads up on the Nite Ize Eclipse, I just ordered one to try on my strider slcc. I currently use a static line set up, which you could do with the benchmade, but this looks like a better option for both...
+TheSmokinApe I used it on that new Schrade Push Dagger too. They screwed up the clip design and it pulls out of your pocket even easier than this one (I informed them and they are going to fix it though)
Scroll up in the comments. Someone claims to have unsubbed because "I stole your cutting mat"
+PREPAREDMIND101 ROFL @ all of that...
He wouldn't stop saying stupid shit so I hit the 'forever mute' button. I'm sure you'll hear all about it. I actually put up with him longer than usual.
My SOCP dagger came razor sharp on both edges. Not sure if this is something that benchmade fixed since this video
Zack Nicholson mine too.
Nice to know, I didn't get the mindset of "dull edges are better for the dagger."
Sharp edges will pierce better and you can slice at a wrist or face for a "get off" move.
I’ve got the first gen and both edges are sharper than the combo blade is this video
This is good if your carrying your gun. This is a must for me after been attacked randomly with a pipe.
I got just the dagger for my girlfriend (CPD gang unit) and she wears it on her vest all the time. it was never meant to be a user it's a stabbing tool. I also carry one but I also carry a zt 0560 that I use for cutting. I never use my defective knife to cut anything.
emkivi82 defective? Or defensive?
Another good way to retain the sheath is having some type of cordage attached to a belt loop to the sheath. This works out better for something where the knife stays there permanently
I've seen a bunch of ways. I'm a "simpler is better" type. It's obviously a pocket clip...but it serves no use as that only way to draw it is to torque it a bit away from your body before drawing from the pocket first. But I'm not willing to take the chance that you can reliably do that under duress, and its primary purpose is use under duress.
+PREPAREDMIND101 Yeah man if that keeps it secured rock on. I wonder if one of your kydex guys can MacGyver up something nice for this thing. That sheath is the only thing keeping me from carrying this dagger civilian
+50 Stitches Steel The Nite Ize clip is a good enough fix for me.
Put distance between you and bad guy? If you are trained, aggressive and willing, this will kill. No gun needed. If you are attacked, I don't like the mind set you are already thinking about transitioning before the fight begins. Don't think "distance". Think eliminate. If he is that close that this knife is a option, finish it. Be aggressive.
It's called a tactical retreat. You aren't running away. You are buying time until your backup arrives. 😂
I wish Benchmade put more thought into the steel. For a over $100 small cutout piece of steel it should have a bit better blade material. They should have at least chosen a more corrosion resistant metal.
Just buy the dagger, the combo edge version is crap! It’s only sharp on one side. The dagger has both sides ground nicely.
Update: The current models now come with a fold under sheath so the sheath does not come out of the webbing when you draw the knife. Not a slicer, blade is too thick for that and i find they don't sit well in the hand for slicing anyway.
With the standard SOCP, even though the edges aren't sharp, it is still considered a dirk or dagger in many jurisdictions. That makes the combo a better option for EDC. Another option for carry is IWB with a paracord tether to your belt, kinda like Lucas Bernly's Obake. It would allow you to draw it without needing to add a clip to the sheath.
+Craig Wildfeuer Thing I don't like about that is, unless you find the perfect way to set it up, you have to draw it pretty far before it's free of the sheath. On little knives, that works fine. But that sheath encases almost the entire knife.
Take a look into the CRKT Obake as a budget option. It's a copy of Bernly's Kwaiken and they run about $30. I know here in PA, I would run into issue carrying the SOCP.
I use to live Columbus I’m not to far though.. might have to check them out
Great video....Im having the same problem with trying to carey from my pocket. I did just ordered the Eclipse to try but, my question for you with are the screws and their size to be able to remove the benchmade clip???
Serration is for "sawing" motions, and you can always sharpen the plain edges.... this is a self-defense style knife, not a survival knife. Think you missed the point on this one, pun intended
Thanks, without this review I would have bought the dagger version, I bought the combo edge after watching this and am very glad I did. I use it at work 24/7, not opening boxes, doing what i do.
still trying to find the nite ize clip though
Thank you for another great review!
I bought two SOCP Daggers with great hopes, but neither sheath retains well. If you turn the sheath upside down and shake once - the dagger falls out. I'm concerned about retention, in daily or rough use - so haven't carried them. Is there a good way, to increase retention?
Can you see any downside to sharpening the dull daggers, either on one or both edges? Thanks for the input!
Carry them in the belt/pants. Never had them come out or even move.
Love the knife. Although we here in Washington (Spokane in particular) have to be careful because double edge knives are illegal to carry and the spike may be as well.
Nice vid as always Chris. I'm not a HAM radio guy at all but a cool place also in Reynoldsburg is Universal Radio. They carry all the pieces and parts that a guy would need but, they also have a good selection of portable emergency radios. I went there a few months ago to get a new antenna for my police scanner and spent an hour in there. Nice people.
I see you owning a used knife store in the future.
+Brian
You speak as if Chris would sell his older knives like that :P
The clip is meant for appendix carry between Pants/Trousers and belt to secure the clip.
The clip is for inside the waistband Carrie
I've been looking at this thing on the store shelf every time I walk into the NEX. I think I may buy one.
Your preference is a lite civilian version (California style) of the real thing, which is 176. And the biggest detriment in your preferance is that holding a dagger and defending yourself u don't think of which side the sharp edge runs. In your case u will have to and will not know until u look at it. As to cutting option I more than agree and it wоn't take me long to sharpen 176 any way I like, serrated or not, one side serration or both. And the cutting edge will be longer to boot.
Apparently stabbing daggers aren't supposed to have sharp edges because it will snag on bone.
I guess if a guy runs out of bullets and if this dagger fails he takes a cyanide capsule , this looks like the type of knife a guy buys then winds up in a drawer with others and upon reflection he realizes wow ! I could have bought a top flight blade for what I spent on this stuff, like the Jessmuk as an example. As always Chris a terrific review on a truly specialized blade.
The L.T. Wright Jessmuk costs $300 and is hard to find... The SOCP is around $100.
If you can't carry a fixed blade, spydercos yojimbo 2 folder is a nice defensive knife, been carrying one for a while now.
+iphonemusings I learned why not to snap those open on your leg.
you should check out a couple of folding karambits like the Emerson super karambit and the fox karambits
Yet another great, informative video. What's your opinion on a short sword, with training, as a self defence weapon. I'm in the UK so no concealed carry.
And they would let you have a short sword? They don't even let you have neosporin!
+PREPAREDMIND101 Yeah, Flick knives, butterfly Knives and Samurai Swords are illegal, everything else is fair game :)
+Gary Warner For self defence I think a battle axe would be better. Never had any problems, a bit heavy though.
+Olga Dachdecker Yeah, just need to embrace my inner Viking :)
+Gary Warner Katanas are legal to buy if they are made in the traditional fashion.
Regular version ("double edge") is better for the intended use IMO. You don't cut yourself when drawing your secondary with the dagger in your hand, changing mags etc. Plus, you can hook an attackers arm with it without cutting it badly.
Basically it gives you the choice of either using it as a karambit or to punch holes in the threat.
Just my 0.02!
Why wouldn't you want to cut your attacker's arm badly while hooking it?
Also, stabbing daggers purposely don't have sharp edges because it will snag on bone.
Regular Army (Non-Operator). M7 & M9 Bayonet were the only knives we carried (except the little silver "US" pocket knives). The only "tactical specific" knife I have now is a Smith & Wesson boot knife. Thanks for looking at others and sharing your thoughts with us Chris. Somewhere in these vids, I'll find something or somethings or many somethings purposeful. And knowing me, it will be many somethings. Knife guys are knife guys. Thanks again... looking forward to more.
Chris; thanks for the video.
Love the direction that the channel is taking. Looking forward to more. :-)
Very good review. I'm curious as to how the Nite Ize eclipse is holding out; a couple of the Amazon reviewers said that theirs broke after little use.
+Chuck Clark None of mine have ever broken.
If I could buy it over again I would choose the serrated model. good vid.
how about a fixed blade survival/bush knife series or the craziest meanest knives you can find? keep up the good work
It's near one year after I own mine , it's very good review video.
AWESOME MODIFICATION!👍
I can’t find the eclipse pocket any suggestions for alternatives
Me neither. It's sold out everywhere and it appears they don't sell it anymore. It's not on their website.
Self Inverse any good alternative
Glad to see you turn in these subjects a little Chris !! I will stay tuned ! Peace ...
Chris what type of footwear do you wear in warm weather
I just don't see why you can't put an actual edge on the original dagger? Who's this serious about knives and doesn't have a sharpening jig/ stone kit?
U can carry one of these even when if u do not have a CCW..
Can't wait to get mine in thanks
Would be easy to add an edge to the plain edge version.
SOLD!!!!!Im gonna have to order one maybe two now thanks :)
That being said i love your mod! Classic PM101! I use that clip for my mobile/cell phone.
@jason miller, yes you can. I do everyday in Texas.
are you familiar with this kind of self-defence knide by ka bar tdi ?
Just the video i was looking for, thanks Chris.
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Can the dull double edge be sharpened. I see that Spartan Knives has a version of this double edged. But it cost 160.
j83s1 just buy the sharpened edge version.
Just buy the dagger, the combo edge version is crap! It’s only sharp on one side. The dagger has both sides ground nicely.
awesome video man as always. Thanks brother
Question. Does the single edged version count as a dagger in legal terms? California prohibits concealing dirks or daggers, and I don't know if this is one
Tamer Kassem
imagine you are a police officer from CA and you found this on a suspect. What would you call it if you didn't know anything about it? Doesnt matter what it really is, but what a judge thinks it is. Probably safe to call it a dagger.
Technically speaking, a dagger should be symmetrical on both sides, double edged and usually has a cross guard. Carrying the combo edge as an open carry in Cali shouldn't give any problems. Having solely just a spear point isn't considered a dagger imo.
I would definitely use it as a boot knife like my s&w boot knife.
interesting the one that I have is double bladed and it runs the length of the entire blade
awesome dagger
since these came out, i have wanted one. the one mod i think they should consider, is a two way clip. i want to carry this knife along my belt line and i want the clip going the other way. i have been eyeing these blades for a long time. thanx or the video bro
is there a decent budget version of this?
joe busch Cold steel might have some similar. But this design is specific to benchmade.
just to be clear, will the combo edge do everything that the other one will do? and then some?
I see what you're saying. Like I commented earlier down, I only noticed after it was live that this video is a bit repetitive.
I wear a plate carrier everyday to work got the benchmark on it for 2 years now it works great!!!!
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Your co-workers must talk about you alot.
I'm a cop half my unit has the dagger
Honestly I'm considering this for my edc boot knife.. while I'm at work.
My question is.. can this knife be thrown accurately?
this is nice, I prefer the Gerber chameleon II ,
I like the design too.
I want something I can grab and use instantly in a pinch, so trying to fumble a gloved fonger into this and getting a grip doesn't seem reliable. (I guess that's why it comes with the trainer to build the required motor skill and consistency)
ok this maybe a dumb question but you can sharpen the other knife right?
You wouldnt get it sharp. Angles are too steep.
+PREPAREDMIND101 oh okay that could be a problem thanks
now that a fighting knife its even got a bottle opener on the end
Como Glock 81
Correct and thank you!
Thanks,
Clark
Benchmade charges way too much for stuff. Over $100 for that little 440 blade is ridiculous.
I carry mine abdomen iwb so I have access to both sides
do you wear your watch upside down often?
What are you talking about? My Vivofit2?
PREPAREDMIND101 never mind! i watched it again and your watch is on correctly!
is it to long to look discreet on a black boot?
No, should work.
Guys, I'm an idiot, what do you call the green table cover with the measurments on it?
Cutting mat.
+PREPAREDMIND101 I can't tell you how many different things I googled to find whats it called lol. Thanks.
Easily found in most big dept stores in the craft aisle. However, the ones they sell now look like the one in my EDC Essentials videos. This is the older style. I had to order online (amazon)
It was made with swat more in mind I’d say
Nice review sir,make me consider to order one.:D
Clip is for boot knife option.
Connor mockbee clip is actually designed for webbing. That's why the sheath is so thin. So it'll fit in between the loops.
I wish CA doesn't ban telescopic batons and blackjacks. I'd rather use those than a blade for self defense.
Batons are shit for defense. Only way they are good is as a more lethal use "Aim at the head".
+Zoraldo_MMO based on what consensus? Did you have experience using them and seeing them fail? Was the brand of baton a high end brand? Or are you just opinionated based on bias or just looking at the tool? If what you say is true, then link something that proves your point, including what brand and model of baton used and the situation.
+JustSimplyBrandon I have very little experience in real world with the baton but... Talking with many sheriffs and security guards they all say the same thing. They work for Windows and intimidating but if that person attacks it sucks because you can't get good strikes that close. Thats why I stopped carrying one and swapped it out for a Taser and knife.
+Zoraldo_MMO that I believe. From what I gathered, batons are not meant to brutally hurt the attacker but rather keep them at a distance. In close range, especially with a longer baton, yes that's where the problem occurs, more so in tight confinements. But I still would carry one in pair with a shorter tool.
i got the combo blade it's my edc
i have the 178 its my edc. great video 💀
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Nice!
double edge does more then stab its also for thorowing belive me that is more effective at stoping somebody then a gun and is more safer to use in a reative situation when you wear that knife on your neck i perfer to wear it upside down its twice as faster to whip it out and when you snatch it out its ready to blow unllike when you take it out upright you then have to use two motions to blow instead of one know what i mean
rehsif mas Did you just say a knife is more effective at stopping somebody than a gun is? You're a special kind of stupid.
rehsif mas stabbed. Last time I checked blades can't tumble when they hit your chest going 3000FPS from 600 yards away and end up coming out the back of your thigh.
You must have one hell of a throwing arm for a thrown knife to be more effective at neutralizing a person than a hollowpoint bullet that impacts at supersonic velocities.
is this knife legal in Canada
yes
I aggressively bent my clip in and reattached it. Since I've done that I've had zero issues of the sheath. The stick on adhesive option will bite you in the ass in cold weather or conditions as we all know adhesives fail quickly in cold weather. In no way would I or could I recommend this mod for me or anyone to stake their lives on. As for serations. On this particular knife I agree they are a welcome addition. But serrations on any blade other than this one or a Jumpmasters is utterly useless and unneeded. Even steak knives shouldn't be serrated as they tear the meat and destroy the texture. Serrations make sharpening a royal pain in the ass. On top of that they make slicing and chopping nearly impossible as you only have half or less of the blade to properly use. Ask Patrick Roehrman of MT Knives and one of the top sharpening experts what he feels about serrations. He says the best thing you can do is grind them off and then re-profiled the blade. If a knife is properly sharpened and maintained you don't need serrations. Look at hunting crossheads. They are nearly all non serrated because a serrated blade doesn't slice/cut as well. The only reason I agree that serrations belong on the SOCP is they will make a jagged wound and it's such a small blade.
Steak knives are serrated because ceramic plates will destroy a sharp edge extremely fast. The teeth of the serrations protect the sharp edge from touching the plate.
Serrated knives tear at flesh so are perfect for defensive blades. The cut through everything, clothes, denim, skin,they just work. Even if they’re not perfectly sharp they still get the job done. Serrated blades just work.
just sharpen the double edge not a big deal
A knife I do not need or want. I have never said that before.
+Mark Brophy Never watched a Bear Grylls knife video, I take it?
+PREPAREDMIND101 Nope, never have
+PREPAREDMIND101 Lmao
Can't carry these in Texas😩
Really?
I'm pretty sure you can get the serrated on with the on edge I THINK, I live in Texas too.