This Is So Broken! | 0 Mana Deck | Codie, Vociferous Codex | Commander | Magic the Gathering
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Fact: you can reduce the amount of money you spend for a deck by using your opponent's money instead
such as maddening concofeny(i know thats spelled wrong) and rise of the dark realm
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Love when I get someone's fast rocks xD
So trade?
Screw the snobs who want me to pay for a timetwister just to sit down with them and play commander... You guys are more my speed. Just trying to have some fun with magic no bs involved.
Didn't think of pulling out those Suspend Spells for 0 mana 😅 Mindblown and tempted to build it...
My favorite part is adding Fractured Identity and giving my opponents a copy of codie… lol
That is funny. I thought about making codie bad gifts.
And then they look at each other. Nod. And start attacking into each other witb codie.
I did a similar deck with storm as a focus and I played through 2 cedh decks. It was glorious
You wouldn't happen to ahve a list or something, would you?
Throw the Book at your opponent.
Codie + Fling
Just saw the video was uploaded. I'm excited to watch it!
Gotta be careful with the split cards and x spells. If i remember right (and please correct me if im wrong), The cmc of a split card is the sum of both sides, so codie can hit bigger stuff off it. For example, heaven/earth; whichever half youre casting, its cmc will see both sides. With x spells, on the stack the cmc includes the x value. Continuing the example of heaven/earth; if you cast heaven for x=4, the mana value will come out to 8 since the double green on heaven and double red on earth are seen by the games rules.
This interaction is what makes cards like commit/memory so powerful in yuriko decks, because even if you just cast commit, the cmc is of the card is still 10.
You are correct about the x spells, although I think he included them because he can always cast them for x=0 so that they are still a 1 cmc spell.
The split cards however do not work that like when on the stack. Anywhere other then the stack and you are correct about the cmc of the card.
709.4. In every zone except the stack, the characteristics of a split card are those of its two halves combined. This is a change from previous rules.
709.4b The mana cost of a split card is the combined mana costs of its two halves. A split card’s colors and mana value are determined from its combined mana cost. An effect that refers specifically to the symbols in a split card’s mana cost sees the separate symbols rather than the whole mana cost.
Example: Assault//Battery’s mana cost is {3}{R}{G}. It’s a red and green card with a mana value of 5. If you cast Assault, the resulting spell is a red spell with a mana value of 1.
@@joelmunchel7809 thanks for the clarification, and double thanks for actually citing the rules too!
It's been a while since you posted this. But I just got around to putting the Inevitable Betrayal deck together and I'm so excited to use it. Thanks for the idea. Loved it since you posted it.
I look forward to my copy of Inevitable betrayal to sky rocket in price due to this video. Thanks Mitch! Jokes aside I love this interaction
Just out of curiosity, how would you upgrade this to be a higher powered deck but still keeping the theme?
Dumb question, but aren’t those sorcery speed copy spells kinda useless because they’re more than 1 mana? so they’ll just copy something else, right?
Ya i noticed that too
Fact: Cards with no mana symbols in the usual location for casting cost have an unpayable mana cost, and as such, have a converted mana cost of zero.
Pull from eternity basically says "Process target face-up card". Like the enchantment Solemnity, I don't know of any other card that fills the same role.
For Solemnity, that role is dedicated counter Hate (except for loyalty counters).
For Pull, it's Regrowth From Exile (in a way).
@The Commander's Quarters
any chance you could share an actual deck list for this and maybe your other decks? I really want to try some of these ideas you've made
Good question! The deck list should be in the description! All Deck Techs should have their deck list links there as well
@@TheCommandersQuarters I looked at the deck list and it has no win condition. How the hell do you plan on winning?
@@theclassics6922 did you even watch the video? The whole deck resolves around casting Inevitable Betrayal over and over, stealing your opponent's creatures.
@@joelmunchel7809 Have you played edh? One spell being played over and over is not going to work. What happens when everyone starts killing your commander so you can't do the thing? Every person in my commander group plays graveyard hate. Lucky if you get it to go off twice. You need to have more than a one card win-con encase something goes wrong.
@@theclassics6922 I’m not saying the plan is optimal, but he had his win con explained in the video is all I was saying.
How would you be able to utilize Howl of the Horde (or Doublecast) to copy Inevitable Betrayal? It's a sorcery, so you can't use it in response to the one mana spell, if you use it before Codie's ability, then it would just copy that spell instead of Inevitable betrayal, and if you use it after Codie, then the cascade triggers on Howl of the Horde.
You can play Inevitable Betrayal until the end of your turn (Codie's tapped mana spell). So you still cast a one mana spell into IB then cast the copy spell (mana allowed) and then you cast IB to copy it.
KInda want to see a non-budget version of this.
I want to build this deck and then the one built around Glimpse. Two Codie decks would be awesome!
Love your stuff man, just made my own variant of a breya deck which is super fun!
For broken codie: you only need profane tutor as 0cmc card. Search for adnause and win (or lose). Since you have 5 colors play all sac spells that generate fast mana and get rid of codie after you used his abillity. With a god build you can cast adnause almost every third round.
A friend of mine has that build and its really cool to play but week against counterspells.
That sounds boring.
just wondering whether the split card will count as a higher mana value then one for codie's ability since their overall cmc is higher then 1.
Codie is asking for the cost of the spell that is cast, you only cast the one side. So it'll count as 1 CMC. But if a card reveals it and asks for its CMC it'll be the combined sides.
@@Raikaru oh ty so much for the clarifications!
you can't use Codie's pseudo-cascade to hit the split cards, but you can use the one-mana half to cascade into your 0-value spell.
@@seraph1337 oh ty!
Okay, so THAT is how you build with Codie.
I need to see this deck in action... is there any video of that?
@25:25 Tfw you notice the background music isn't a perfect loop and it bugs you 🤣
I would like to know when you are going to make a video about the codie deck using Gaea's Will. It sounds really cool.
Howl of the horde doesn't actually work, right? Since it's a sorcery, you can't cast it in response to the cascade trigger, so you just wind up copying the 1 mana spell you used to cascade into betrayal.
This deck looks fantastic. What would be the recommended land spread ?
Deck looks sweet Mitch, I be holding the blue suspend spell thinking where to put it, hmm
Serene Remembrance is a fantastic card. It's very under played. Although I've never seen Memory's Journey. That's really cool! Btw Memory must be a character in the game or WOTC definitely misspelled Memories
Took me a day to pull this off but: here you have a consistent t4 combo deck for less than 25$ built around codie:
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Burst of Energy
1 Burst of Strength
1 Cerulean Wisps
1 Chain Stasis
1 Claim the Firstborn
1 Djeru's Resolve
1 Dream's Grip
1 Emerald Charm
1 Enter the Unknown
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Hypergenesis
1 Ornamental Courage
1 Profane Tutor
1 Sickening Dreams
1 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Stony Strength
1 Sudden Spinnerets
74 Swamp
1 Triton Tactics
1 Twiddle
1 Vault Skyward
1 Veteran's Reflexes
1 Vines of the Recluse
1 Vitalize
1 Wings of the Cosmos
You mulligan for a hand with 2 untap spells and no 0 cost sorcery then play codie fetch both 0 cost sorceries with codie. From there get ad nauseam to hand, dump some lands with hypergenesis and draw your deck. To win, play the extra land(chasm) and then sickening dreams for the 25$ W
Hypergeometrics predict turn 4.82 as the average turn the deck wins
New errata: “if a spell does NOT have a casting cost of 0 or greater, then there is no casting cost and cannot be played outside any costs in its oracle text.”
Or
“If a card has no mana value in the upper right, it’s casting cost is the oracle text cost or suspend value.
Example, Gaea’s Will is suspend 4, making it a 4 mana value spell. If the oracle text is 2 mana and discard two cards, the mana value is 4 (2 mana and one for each card discarded)!
Where did you find this
Cab those spells that say "copy the next instant or sorcery you play" be cast of off the Codie Mana? If you cast repeated reverberation after you activated Codie wouldn't that trigger his ability and have you go get a spell that cost 3 or less?
You resolve Codie’s effect first, as he doesn’t care when you cast the exiled spell. You have the whole turn to resolve the cast. You can dark ritual, draw into inevitable betrayal, resolve the stack and cast double cast, and then cast betrayal.
Is the recommended amount of lands 30? If so does this include lands like evolving wildlife that allow me to search for lands?
I meant to say evolving wilds but it auto correct
I'd like to see this deck in action
Maybe I missed it, but what's "0 mana" about this?
Could you do an upgrade video for this deck
Whats the win condition?
Rules say suspend cards have a mana cost of 1 mana
I’ve been working on a codie deck using split cards
C'mon, the real golden pig is Genesis Storm. Into Freed from the Real.
wouldn't you run into an issue using the sorcery copy spells? since you cast the 1 mana spell first, then that would be the spell that gets copied.
Codie doesn’t care when you cast the exiled spell, as long as it’s before the end of the turn.
You can activate codie’s ability, exile your target spell, and then cast a sorcery at sorcery speed into casting that exiled spell.
"So many 0 Mana Options for Codie to Dominate Your Friends with!" Implying I have friends willing to play magic with me.
Am I the only one who thinks that Glimpse of Tomorrow and Inevitable Betrayal look like they switched colors?
I just bought this deck. Looks like fun.
No mana cost is not zero mana cost. I thought trying to cast a spell with no mana cost always fails even if you're trying to cast it "without paying its casting cost" because there is no cost to not pay. (If that makes sense.)
Looks like they updated this rule in 2018. However, it is still inaccurate to refer to these cards as "zero mana cost". These cards have mana *values* of zero.
Any free or ozero combos are broken kind of a given what they need to do is bring back the higher mana cost make stuff cost more it would solve the cheap cast problem make stuff harder to cast but this deck is funny if they had more cartoon fairy tale like cards so make it a killer story book deck it be funny deck but yeah this more a deep pocket deck if got the money or the cards it be a beef deck.
Deck list???
I so want to build this deck...
Look, I know you can't cast permanent spells with codie but here me out. 5 color storm with thousand year storm, song of creation, and archmage eternus.
Bro… Im gonna make a cedh deck outa this
Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal!!
This was worth waking up for
NANI?
Can someone explain me how Codie goes combo with the spells?
Who would win, a finely tuned and expensive CEDH deck or one angry book.
A finely tuned and expensive CEDH deck built around one angry book
@@ring1313 It's very easy to make a cheap Codie CEDH deck. All you need are Dark Ritual, Angel's Grace, Sickening Dreams and Ad Nauseam with a deck full of lands and 1 mana spells to get there. What Mitch has done is actually suboptimal and random.
@@abiodunmichaelolatokun2844 and then what? Oracle?
@@abiodunmichaelolatokun2844 honestly I don’t think that using inevitable betrayal is all that bad, considering it can disrupt a combo. Your Thassa’s Oracle? My Thassa’s Oracle.
Thoughhh yeah you’d need the early ritual stuff to actually disrupt before a tutor
Cedh has know about the angry book since its release. Some are arguing it might be one of the most powerful decks in the format
Always wanted to do a 0 cost Instant/sorcery deck but As Foretold is expensive, nice to know Codie is the answer.
Isn't as foretold 7 dollars?...
@@DangerousFern26 7 can be a fair amount for some people. As foretold is closer to 10 so :/
@@DangerousFern26 $7 is a lot of money for a single piece of card stock bro, that could be the cost of a meal
@@DangerousFern26 if we are following the deck tech rules of this show that's 20% of the budget
its only 10 dollars
Me: alright, I’m done making 5 color commanders. I don’t think there are any other interesting ways to build them.
Mitch: hold my bauble….
He did. Kind of breaks my heart that I'm still not in reach of most budget decks.
Looking forward to each fresh installment of the "Crazy Codie Variants," series of decks.
Depending on the legality, you might be unable to do this one in tournament environs, but it's still powerful.
Basically, just use a lot of Artifact Lands, cast Codie on Turn 3, cascade into Tinker ASAP, then using Tinker to Tutor out Thran Temporal Gateway, and having all your nonland permanents be historic.
Or you could just get Tinker with a Tutor, possibly even the one you cascaded off of.
Hey Mitch, I built the deck and wanted to let you know it's an absolute blast to play ! I was looking for a different commander deck with a funny gimmick and Codie filled the spot as if it was meant to be, I literally fell in love ! So thanks for your hard work you put into building your decks, much appreciated !
* laughs in hypergenesis *
Can’t cast Permanents…. That’s a good one 😂
As Foretold, Finale of Promise, Electrodominance, and any cascade stuff to abuse all these 0 CMC spells 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Cause who wants to wait?
Book tribal when???
It's funny coz book tribal is just a library haha
Haven’t been this early since Mitch showed off his personal decks
Judge ruling for Quicken:
"After Quicken resolves, you can Suspend a sorcery in your hand any time you can cast an instant. As soon as you actually cast a sorcery, you lose this capability."
-Gatherer / Scryfall
This notably means you can use the suspend ability on any amount of Sorceries at instant speed until you actually traditionally cast a Sorcery.
Can you explain? Sorry for some reason I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this
@@zacharymoore6451 Since quicken lets you cast a sorcery at instant speed, and suspend (presumably foretell too?) only lets you suspend when you "could" cast a sorcery. Since you can cast your next sorcery spell at instant speed, you can suspend cards. This would get around Teferi's restriction too I'd assume
@@zacharymoore6451 Here's an example.
Let's say you somehow have four Ancestral Visions in hand and a Quicken.
You cast and resolve a Quicken on an opponent's turn.
You could then Suspend all four of your Ancestral Visions without consuming your Quicken's timing permission assuming you have the mana to Suspend them.
@@IamtheTolle This post was written out of respect, not one-upmanship. I also learned some neat things along the way.
The reason Quicken works this way with Suspend comes to a technical wording from the Comprehensive Rules:
702.62a Suspend is a keyword that represents three abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with suspend is in a player’s hand. The second and third are triggered abilities that function in the exile zone. “Suspend N-[cost]” means “ *If you could begin to cast this card by putting it onto the stack from your hand* , you may pay [cost] and exile it with N time counters on it. This action doesn’t use the stack,” and “At the beginning of your upkeep, if this card is suspended, remove a time counter from it,” and “When the last time counter is removed from this card, if it’s exiled, play it without paying its mana cost if able. If you can’t, it remains exiled. If you cast a creature spell this way, it gains haste until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes.”
The key wording here is " *If you could begin to cast this card by putting it onto the stack from your hand* ".
Because Quicken can enable this boldfaced section, you can Suspend Sorceries this way, but you haven't technically cast them.
However this is not the case with Foretell.
702.143a Foretell is a keyword that functions while the card with foretell is in a player’s hand. *Any time a player has priority during their turn* , that player may pay {2} and exile a card with foretell from their hand face down. That player may look at that card as long as it remains in exile. They may cast that card after the current turn has ended by paying any foretell cost it has rather than paying that spell’s mana cost. Casting a spell this way follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f-h.
This boldfaced timing restriction does not get modified due to Quicken, so you cannot do the pay {2} to Exile the Foretell for later during an opponent's turn, but you could cast it on a later turn for its Foretell cost from exile through Quicken.
As for Teferi, Time Raveler (aka T3feri) versus Quicken, T3feri wins. See the ruling from Scryfall / Gatherer for him:
"If an effect allows opponents to cast spells any time they could cast an instant (for example, if your opponent also controls a Teferi, Time Raveler and activates his +1 loyalty ability), the restriction of Teferi’s first ability takes precedence over that permission."
@@Quroe_ By all means an appreciated enhancement. I wrote merely based on the text and didn't bother delving further into the comprehensive rules. Curious the interaction between suspend and casting. I love how Wizards has "gotten wise" on some of these old mechanics. Foretell would seem like it would function the same, but clearly they wanted to avoid this type of interaction
Please do a break the bank version of this or another codie deck, I need more Codie in my life:) Great content
Mitch: "I hate chaotic effects, I hate playing against a Possibility Storm. Sure, you can maybe build a cute way to abuse it, but until that happens, it is too time consuming".
Also Mitch: "I will build a deck around Glimpse of Tomorrow".
This is just gross.
Man, when I heard those ideas for Glimpse of Tomorrow, I got real excited.
Perhaps a second deck tech on that version of Codie once that's finished?
pretty sure that's coming up with how excited he was about it
This is so cool, and I love how excited Mitch is about it!
Loved the deck! I think I'll have to try this and maybe make a few modifications! Keep the fun decks rolling out!
Codie brings so much value...i made a deck with him only with instants and Sorceries and 8 permanents
Many many carddraw...one extra turn card (money or time) and lot of theft spells, some things to play my instants/sorceries from my graveyard.
I love this deck
Break the bank maybe?
I fell in love with Codie as soon as it was spoiled. I mainly built my deck around the "no nonland permanent" restriction with the only exception being Jadzi to have some crazy storm turns. I also made the deck with multiple Mystical Archive cards, since I love the art.
That Resurgent Belief does give me the idea to use Codie with all Sagas and call it "Codie, the Lore Collector"
I'm getting flashbacks to manaless dredge
I would love to see a deck based on as much possible Chaos as possible. Red or Rakdos maybe. Just constant wheels, board wipes, board replacements, creature/permanent exchange/shuffles. No real win-cons. just the constant and non-stop Chaotic overturning of the board state and hands and graveyards and libraries.. just CHAOS!!!!
If you wanna do this right, you gotta be in Jeskai so you can play Swarm Intelligence and Hive Mind and talk your group into letting you play Shahrazad.
Im playing around with Rakodos Kroxa and glimpse we'll see where it goes. I noticed glimpse and inevitable betrayal can both be played and they exclude each other in an interesting way.
A fun little interaction is that you can stack the copy effects in a turn by copying the copy spells so that you can copy the betrayal spell by a lot👌
Imagine a pod of 4 of these Codie decks.
The counter to the codie deck is a codie deck. Well if they are both doing the betrayal strategy
I’ve been wanting to build commander decks, and see this video gives me the best idea since I just drew an inevitable betrayal out of a booster pack the other day
love the x spells glimpse of tomorrow version and would love to see it. I too saw that tokens where the way to increase glimpses effectiveness but thought that planeswalkers would fit well with the constant army of tokens protecting them so i went for a "superfloods" deck.
Pretty sure The codex is considered the fasted ad Naus deck on CEDH
Some would debate that Rog Silas is sometimes faster.
Not denying that Codie is good, but I think it’s too early to tell. Profane tutor made the deck
I absolutely love it. So much, I think I'll just order the missing parts and give it a go, it looks too fun no to try it.
Hey Mitch mind posting a deck teck of Codie and Glimpse of tomorrow i tried to build it but it was so hard
Like if you agree
Damn you Mitch
Why do all your decks appeal to my love of jank, yes they may be cheep BUT buying so many HURTS MY WALLET!!!!!!!!
Would love to see this deck in action. Mitch should do more games!
I do really enjoy this format of your videos the most.
If you are willing to spend an extra $0.89 on the card ($1.89 total) Double Major, you could get multiple Codie triggers in a turn. Add to that a Harmless Offering or a Switcheroo and you can screw over opponents while keeping your main strategy.
Reminisce, Clear The Mind, and Learn From The Past are really great budget recursion spells for under a $1 each.
The more I think about it, the more dangerous Codie really is.
Codie the cantrip caster!
I need to know if eternal dominion works with codie
I think it would be a hard way to play but possibly worth it
I would like to see the best beast commander deck you can build all based around beast creatures give me a little bit very but not that much
Hey man, I would love it if you could discuss the following topic on your channel: Is Evacuation secretly the best boardclear in the game? Compared to the most (?) common cards, Wrath of god and Damnation, it has some great advantages imo. Most obviously, it is an instant, and it is blue. But with the rise of token decks, it often times works very similarly to a "real" boardclear. And in some cases it's straight up better - it circumvents indestructible-effects like Heroic intervention, and graveyard-effects like academy rector. I would love to hear other opinions, since I have put the card in my commander deck with great effect.
The fact that I haven't seen any necronomicon alters floating around in any fb groups greatly saddens me :(.
What do you mean by you don’t have to worry about the suspend cost? Do you mean as in you don’t have to wait for the suspend or it doesn’t matter when it goes off
Suspend is an "alternative casting cost," so when you have an effect that lets you cast it for free, like Codie, you get to ignore the Suspend mechanic and cast it immediately
This! This is the content I want to see! 10/10, have a like sir
I have been wanting to make my first 5 Color Deck and this one is perfect! I'm looking forward to building and playing this deck. From the Frozen Wastes of Alaska, Thanks Mitch!
Search your deck for a card then do the truffle shuffle.
With glimpse of tomorrow, I thought of casting mana severance before hand in the late game, exiling all lands from your library, then you fill your library with game ending permanents, or put in some infinite combos and get them out right away
I love these videos not only for the decks but also budget cards that will fit will into my other decks
"Yawgmoth's will is a $300 card for a reason"
Yes.
The reason is the Reserved List
"Its day 8 of the experiment, and Barbara's still mad at me. Its aonly a week into the experiment and its already having an effect on our sex life."
"Huh! You made out with the coat check girl."
"I made out with the coat check girl. That coat check girl has a name! Codie!"
"I'm not sleeping here tonight."
"Codie, Vociferous Codex"
Backyard makes it so you can't play any permanent spells, and then I'm going to play with cards that go based off the amount of spells I make and I'm going to make him infinite and I'm going to call the deck infinite inpermanence
i made a codie spells deck with the win con of mazes end/field of the dead the broken things you can do with gond gate in play is crazy. you can sapeshift have every gate you get come in untapped netting a ton of mana. the deck list is simple every tutor land spell tutor any card spell and 3 mana kill spell i can run. for mana i run 5 basics all gates 5 fetch lands and 1 of each triome along with a urza saga(targets are a sol ring, map, and amulet of vigor only none spells in the deck) along with i think 1 other land that can get a land back to hand i forget its name. the deck is crazy and i love playing it
I built this deck and it got shit on badly. There is WAY too much graveyard hate available. I had my graveyard wiped multiple times in each game even with countering a few artifacts.
Graea's is trash... you suspend 4 to have a turn to play cards from graveyard and you can only play 1 land... not all lands... you still follow land rules and that's assuming you didn't play a land already.