yea from like 1991 - 1995 you could actually hear her playing the guitar. then the celebrity skin era came along, and while it was a great era, her guitar was just a prop at that point. anytime after that she wasn’t really playing or she was and her guitar volume was turned down low
@@maybell7430that’s really where the whole rumor started because she only played guitar at smaller shows during the celebrity skin era so obviously the bigger shows where she wasn’t playing guitar were talked about more, so people just took it and ran with it and turned into her faking guitar her whole career
@@maybell7430no she played it during celebrity skin era, you can clearly see and hear it at the big shows. It was really during america sweetheart era she stopped and then just seemed to completely forget to know how to. She said it was the drugs. By nobody's daughter era it's clearly turned off and the chords she's supposed to be allegedly playing aren't even the right ones.
No one posted the set list so here it is... 0:00 Mrs Jones 4:14 ??? 6:00 Babydoll 9:23 Ret@rd Girl (intro only) 9:50 The Only R@pe I Know 10:58 Dicknail 16:05 Where Did You Sleep Last Night
Jeez! she already hooked up? But already prego...damn he had the best influence on her. On top of her genius, was a bad ass experience. She already had a knack, but he gave her that boost in performance deffinatly. Its not an insult. She's killer in lyrics but I see her early stage performance was mundane. And as a stripper she should have known better. kurt was the best thing for her, or she could have end up like l7 or babes in toy land etc. Also great classics. As much as I love her I know she would be probably be less then what she is. (The band rather) Only because she's not the best guitarist. Amongst other things Etc... hopefully not! Because hole is one of my Favs. And they are my main influence especially on guitar. I love the grungy style or whatever u want to lable it. Regardless if I'm wrong she rocks and so does her performance! I believe it was always inside too! Obviously it was not all kurt or even if it had anything to do with him. Who knows. But she rocks! I do miss 90s hole. America's sweetheart was descent but nobodies daughter was not my cup of tea. It's all good hope she comes back rocking again. No doubt! At least one more killer album! Wish to meet her one day. Or chill with her, so much to say! She is very powerful and she is badass and I love her lol weird right. Go girl!! Xx
she played more than people give her credit for (in early to mid 90s) but celebrity skin onwards she played less and less and when she has it's been more of a prop than an instrument
@@rottenbabylon yeah I mean she did play on MTV unplugged. She sounded good. Unless u heard Eric mostly. However how do u forget to play? U would be rusty but not 4get? Like in a recent show I watched. But it's all good. Just really liked who they were and it's ashame they are not actual hole anymore. Will still be an all time fav tho
Kurt was a huge fan of Hole. He was always at her shows. Always playing her music. She pretty much taught him guitar. It's too bad he never joined Hole. They wouldn't let him in the band. So he stole their image and Kim Gordon just to make some money. Kathleen Hanna wrote the hit song "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Tragically, Kurt passed away in 1994. He killed himself with an overdose and then rose from the dead to pull the trigger on a shotgun that Dylan had bought for him. No matter how hard he tried, Dylan could not find Kurt. Even after Courtney told him where to look. The Greenhouse. Call VECA Electric right away cuz we need some Security Lighting in the Greenhouse. Why, what's in there? Nothing but a stool and some potting soil.
Sincere sarcasm was his trademark. Seriously though, I'm being sarcastically sincere about a thing or three. Maybe butthurt, maybe not. We smoked a lot of pot and thought... "Would a guy who had everything and came from nothing, who had turned into something bigger than expected, give up and quit the game after all of that suffering and hard work and complaining? Everything he did and wrote and screamed and defended and totally felt sick about, was only done just to end it?"
@@PaulWildstar Hi there! The Nathaniel guy to whom I replied has deleted his comment and I cannot recall what he had written, but I still can make sense, I think, of my reply. I agree with you on a few things about Kurt: he was sarcastic and he was so good at it; he was smart and had a sense of self-humour, always a sign of intelligence in my opinion. He did work very hard to get his music out, he was driven by this creative need he had within, and a true, genuine desire to express it. However, as you say yourself, he became bigger than he had ever imagined, and all that comes with it. I think ultimately he didn't want what he had. Very few people are naturally equipped to deal with that kind of success and all that it entails. He was too good to play the system. It's not in my nature to idolise people, even those who I do consider my "idols", and he definitely was that to me somehow: human beings are flawed, even the beautiful souls like he was. Also, addiction changes your perspective of everything. Everything. And an addict is constantly battling with a thousand shades of guilt and a myriad of conflicting, contradictory feelings. You have to take that into account. See how his facial expressions change through the course of his carrer: somewhat smiling and innocent looking and having fun at taking the piss out of journalists etc...at the beginning, frowning and "closed-up" towards the end (at least in public). Ok, I could talk for hours but this comment is quite long already... and I'm not sure I'm making much sense. Not sure I'm succeeding in saying what I mean. Having said all this, I appreciated your latest comment though. Just wanted to say.
@@kmm4499 right mrs jones lot like dark entries but also she emulated kat from babes in toyland, also sonic youth hole were name in scene before she met kurt
So. Fucking raw. So. Jamming. Underground. Way. Should. It. Be
We want more!!!
THE VIRUS IS RAGING IT'S BREAKING MY BONES! GENIUS!!!!
#covid lol
I miss her old stuff soon much
i love that you can actually hear courtney playing her guitar in this 😱
Isn't 'whomst' the sound her guitar made?
Oh ik, thought it was a gimmick whoo
yea from like 1991 - 1995 you could actually hear her playing the guitar. then the celebrity skin era came along, and while it was a great era, her guitar was just a prop at that point. anytime after that she wasn’t really playing or she was and her guitar volume was turned down low
@@maybell7430that’s really where the whole rumor started because she only played guitar at smaller shows during the celebrity skin era so obviously the bigger shows where she wasn’t playing guitar were talked about more, so people just took it and ran with it and turned into her faking guitar her whole career
@@maybell7430no she played it during celebrity skin era, you can clearly see and hear it at the big shows. It was really during america sweetheart era she stopped and then just seemed to completely forget to know how to. She said it was the drugs. By nobody's daughter era it's clearly turned off and the chords she's supposed to be allegedly playing aren't even the right ones.
We want raw, real, Indie, rock!!!
Miss the old style
No one posted the set list so here it is...
0:00 Mrs Jones
4:14 ???
6:00 Babydoll
9:23 Ret@rd Girl (intro only)
9:50 The Only R@pe I Know
10:58 Dicknail
16:05 Where Did You Sleep Last Night
ty
@@instrumentsmrti ty means house in Welsh maybe it means something else in different languages???
She always improvised song's
Whats wrong with the words retard and rape?
the unknown song is just a rare extension of mrs jones!
I think Courtney was already expecting Frances right??? Perhaps 1 month pregnant...
Yeah she would be by then
Already?
Jeez! she already hooked up? But already prego...damn he had the best influence on her. On top of her genius, was a bad ass experience. She already had a knack, but he gave her that boost in performance deffinatly. Its not an insult. She's killer in lyrics but I see her early stage performance was mundane. And as a stripper she should have known better. kurt was the best thing for her, or she could have end up like l7 or babes in toy land etc. Also great classics. As much as I love her I know she would be probably be less then what she is. (The band rather) Only because she's not the best guitarist. Amongst other things Etc... hopefully not! Because hole is one of my Favs. And they are my main influence especially on guitar. I love the grungy style or whatever u want to lable it. Regardless if I'm wrong she rocks and so does her performance! I believe it was always inside too! Obviously it was not all kurt or even if it had anything to do with him. Who knows. But she rocks! I do miss 90s hole. America's sweetheart was descent but nobodies daughter was not my cup of tea. It's all good hope she comes back rocking again. No doubt! At least one more killer album! Wish to meet her one day. Or chill with her, so much to say! She is very powerful and she is badass and I love her lol weird right. Go girl!! Xx
She probably was but didn’t know it
So why not being thankfull?
Love the strobe
Your not a rock star if you don't start raw!!!
Rocks af tho!!!! Luv the base n rawness of guitar and lyrics. More!!
i love that she started singing surrender
9:32 lmfao
thank u for noticing that it made my day
Does she ever congnise her old music??
🤘🎤🥁🎸🎸🎸🤘
So she never or rarely played guitar? Jeez one of my big inspierors to play
she played more than people give her credit for (in early to mid 90s) but celebrity skin onwards she played less and less and when she has it's been more of a prop than an instrument
She inspired me to play amongst other bands like sublime etc
@@instrumentsmrti yea I agree
She was good guitar player at one point.
@@rottenbabylon yeah I mean she did play on MTV unplugged. She sounded good. Unless u heard Eric mostly. However how do u forget to play? U would be rusty but not 4get? Like in a recent show I watched. But it's all good. Just really liked who they were and it's ashame they are not actual hole anymore. Will still be an all time fav tho
Awesome!!!
Nice name
Lemongrove? Where is that at?
Exeter, england
@@laurencurtis2968 thanks.
Kurt was a huge fan of Hole. He was always at her shows. Always playing her music. She pretty much taught him guitar. It's too bad he never joined Hole. They wouldn't let him in the band. So he stole their image and Kim Gordon just to make some money. Kathleen Hanna wrote the hit song "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Tragically, Kurt passed away in 1994. He killed himself with an overdose and then rose from the dead to pull the trigger on a shotgun that Dylan had bought for him. No matter how hard he tried, Dylan could not find Kurt. Even after Courtney told him where to look. The Greenhouse. Call VECA Electric right away cuz we need some Security Lighting in the Greenhouse. Why, what's in there? Nothing but a stool and some potting soil.
@Nathaniel Mars I think they were being sarcastic...
Butthurt are we?
Sincere sarcasm was his trademark. Seriously though, I'm being sarcastically sincere about a thing or three. Maybe butthurt, maybe not. We smoked a lot of pot and thought... "Would a guy who had everything and came from nothing, who had turned into something bigger than expected, give up and quit the game after all of that suffering and hard work and complaining? Everything he did and wrote and screamed and defended and totally felt sick about, was only done just to end it?"
@@PaulWildstar Hi there! The Nathaniel guy to whom I replied has deleted his comment and I cannot recall what he had written, but I still can make sense, I think, of my reply.
I agree with you on a few things about Kurt: he was sarcastic and he was so good at it; he was smart and had a sense of self-humour, always a sign of intelligence in my opinion. He did work very hard to get his music out, he was driven by this creative need he had within, and a true, genuine desire to express it.
However, as you say yourself, he became bigger than he had ever imagined, and all that comes with it. I think ultimately he didn't want what he had. Very few people are naturally equipped to deal with that kind of success and all that it entails. He was too good to play the system.
It's not in my nature to idolise people, even those who I do consider my "idols", and he definitely was that to me somehow: human beings are flawed, even the beautiful souls like he was.
Also, addiction changes your perspective of everything. Everything. And an addict is constantly battling with a thousand shades of guilt and a myriad of conflicting, contradictory feelings.
You have to take that into account.
See how his facial expressions change through the course of his carrer: somewhat smiling and innocent looking and having fun at taking the piss out of journalists etc...at the beginning, frowning and "closed-up" towards the end (at least in public).
Ok, I could talk for hours but this comment is quite long already... and I'm not sure I'm making much sense. Not sure I'm succeeding in saying what I mean.
Having said all this, I appreciated your latest comment though. Just wanted to say.
Who says he overdosed? Certainly not the medical examiner…
Kurt already had a big influence in her performance and musical taste.
at this point i think courtney was still pretty much running on her bauhaus/wipers/big black influence
lmao no
Are you stupid?
@@kmm4499 right mrs jones lot like dark entries but also she emulated kat from babes in toyland, also sonic youth hole were name in scene before she met kurt
No