3:25 talking about how dangerous it can be going down stairs, while actively ignoring the two signs telling you how to safely go down the ladder is a new kind of power move Paul
@@paulfarace9595 On a warship, if it's stairs, it's a ladder. If it's a ladder, it's a ladder. Sort of how the Army hits the deck in the morning, but later sweeps and mops the floor. 🙄 Not sure if the merchant navy has such distinctions.
Thanks for posting the video. Its great to see her again. I served on her from 97-01 as an MM1. A 10,000 foot test depth is the first I've ever heard of but maybe was possible at some point. I recall the depth gauge range was only to 6,000 feet. There was a hull cut made on the port side sometime in the 80's due to a cracked engine block that wouldn't fit down the hatch. A spare was also loaded. At that time test depth was decreased from 6,000 feet to 4,000 feet. I made lots of dives on her to 4,000 feet during my days on Dolphin. She was a great submarine to serve on. With such a small crew, it was like a family.
I retired off the Dolphin AGSS 555 in 2003 my last underway was my first and only swim call when we had to abandon ship after flooding and a fire. My first boat Was AGSS 567 USS Gudgeon.
Awesome video Paul. I believe you missed a unique feature on the Dolphin. The Dolphin has a 20 ton keel that can be released by the activation of explosive bolts in case of a flooding. You also failed to mention the 2002 flooding and fire casualty that almost resulted in the loss of Dolphin and crew. All hands had to abandon ship. A very harrowing event. I cringe when you stated that the Dolphin was the last Diesel boat in the navy. Technically this is correct, but the true last conventional Diesel submarine in the navy was the USS Blueback SS 581 that was decommissioned in 1990. I was the last chief torpedoman to walk off the boat. We were tied up to a pier across from the pier that Dolphin was tied up to. I had two shipmates that transfered to the Blueback from the Dolphin.
It's just a walk through, not an engineering study. But you provided this interesting fact about the keel... that's why comments are IMHO as important as the video. Remember Dolphin was still owned by the USN after Blueback was given to OMSI. Besides, IMHO every Nuke is a diesel !😅
My colleagues husband had been an officer on one of the last conventional subs in the USN. He told fun sea stories. My favorite was when they did a port call in a Japanese fishing village. A boat from the bath house came out and picked up sailors. The sailors did not know one was supposed wash the body before entering the large common hot pool. The sailors hadn't bathed in weeks and enter the pool. My friend said that it was like sinking an oil tanker. Each person's oils accumulated on the skin came off and started spreading across the pool. Locals jumped out of the pool before the oil slick touched them. The owner had to drain the pool and scrub the walls the skipper ended up having to pay for the cleaning and lost income for the out of service time. The diesel engines produced a lot of fine oil mist which accumulated on sailors bodies. Since there wasn't enough water for bathing on deployment, it just accumulated on the skin.
I can just see that. After my first on board shower one week out, I realized that towels were for redistributing the oily coating I'd picked up. I'm sure he told you about the PARFUM d' DIESEL that followed the crew on liberty.
@@Weesel71 well it was a sea story told by an old salt who never observed a tanker go down like my dad did. Dad did talk about the oil slick burning so crew burned to death if stayed on the ship or abandoned. Of course as an engineering officer he told me (and showed me Lane Victory) how the engineering officer sat a different table than the other offices because the reaked of working in the engine room. When he became cheif engineer and thus 3rd in command he didn't even get a cabin on same deck as the skipper and the navigator. The only reason he got his own cabin with space is had to keep technical manuals and be able to work out solutions there. He also stored the keys to everything thing there as he had to be able to get everything.
I was a Navy Reservist QM1 back in 1989 and managed (and lucky) to get an active duty for training at the Sub Base in San Diego. That year the budget was tight. The Admiral's aim (ComSubPac) for the exercise was to get all subs sortied and take a photo of the base empty. Our Communications staff spent much of the exercise aboard Dolphin using her comms gear while she was pier side at moorings near the Sub Base. I didn't go aboard, but taking those petty officers to the boat I could see how tiny she was just from her sail size. As a Quartermaster, I was tasked with drafting the overlays of the exercise op areas on a chart of the Pacific Coast of Asia. The Base's Subs and Tender forward located to Alaska for the exercise. I wasn't a Submariner, but a "skimmer"... surface Navy and I really learned a lot. I went aboard the Nuclear Fast Attack sub "Drum" before she sailed and found her no bigger habitability-wise than the Diesel Fleet Boat Drum, which I'd visited in Mobile Bay.
Fun Facts: The sail plates are made of Fiberglass composite, sealed and made watertight with black polysulfide marine caulk. They were made part of the sub safe boundary of the submarine after the incident on May 2002. Between the sail and the hull there are rows of one way double headed rubber scuppers to drain water that comes down the sail. Those have to be inspected every 6 months.
Cheerios were first released on May 1, 1941. They were called, CheeriOats, until Dec. 2, 1945. Now, the Honey Nut Cheerios (in the picture) weren't released released until March 1, 1979. About a month and a half before i was born. (Thanks Google.)
I like the use of netting to secure ares that they don't want the public to go. I dislike it when museums use plastic panels that make it very difficult to take pictures through due to the reflection of the flash. Not to mention that the netting doesn't take as much time to cut and fit in place.
@@ghost307 I was thinking the same thing, I dislike tours where it’s all behind plastic. Plastic is almost as bad as really terrible mannequins placed in rooms..😂
At 16:10,not 12 volts, V is the engine configuration, like a V8 engine, but this is a V12 engine, and each cylinder is 71 cubic inches. 12 V 71. Back in the day, the detroit diesel was in so many things, and when they needed more power, they just added more cylinders. Detroit diesels came as a single cylinder, twins, triples, inline four and six, V6, V8, V12, V16, and munch more. I was surprised that the D.D. was in a sub, but it makes sense. Thanks for the video.
I was just going to say the same thing. I don't know of any 12v busses! No matter who you are almost anywhere in the world you touch or use something that was moved, built or hauled by General Motors 2 stroke at some point. Including your freedom. I would eliminate the "bus engine" part because it is only partially true and misleading. Great video!
Dolphin was used all the time for cable laying / deep sea cable.. modifications as well as a maintainer of SOSUS's automated systems after the deep sea torpedo trials...
I hope they commemorate Chief Machinist's Mate (SS) John D. Wise, Jr. who literally saved the boat during the fire/flooding incident in 2002 by keeping 90% flooded pump room in operation.
Paul, Thank you for sharing this tour with us. Always wondered what the Dolphin looked like inside. I was homeported in San Diego and served aboard Sturgeon Class boats.
As a crew member of Darter ss576 the real last diesel submarine built after Nautilas, ss571 and other nuclear boats. She had no conning tower, airline helm station.
Ah, yes. The last "actual" diesel-electric sub in the U.S. Navy! But not the last diesel-electric *attack* sub (that's USS Blueback). Funny to see how similar and slightly different the technology is compared to Blueback, despite Dolphin being commissioned some 9 years later and serving until about 16 years after Blueback. Great video, Paul!
Thanks! Coming from a peer it means a lot. As I mentioned in earlier comments, to me all nuclear subs are diesel boats anyway... they have them for when the atomic tea kettle is being persnickety. 😅 Someday you and I should do a walk through of beautiful Blueback... ❤
I visited the USS Blueback at the Oregon Musem of Science and Industry in 2019. I believe the Blueback was the last active diesel attack sub in the US Navy. It was great seeing the similarities and differences between her and the WW2 fleet boats.
AWSOME review Paul! I could almost imagine what operations took place within its hull. There’s what you’re told and what lbs still classified. I’m sure many a CIA and special operations carried out. 👍👍😁🇺🇸
Wrong kind of missions... this is an experimental platform to develop hardware. Real attack boats would handle clandestine missions or the NR-1 ... a sub for a future program.
Dennis, I went to IC "C-7" school in 1978. the first 16 weeks were both EM's and IC's and then we separated into our own rates for the final 8 weeks. I served on Sturgeon Class boats.
Needs a good cleaning--soon. I was a high school kid at Key West (67-68), and several times during the year you could tour the various subs there and that actually almost talked me into joining, but the diesels were soon gone it seemed and my interest in Nukes wasn't too great--today I would take a Nuke. There were two smaller subs, not this one, they looked like the larger ones. One of them they put wheels on it so that it could role of the sea bed, I don't think that took off.
The navy should have or build a handful of tiny task diesel subs. They are more valuable and stralthful if they have aluminum hulls that don't have a magnetic signature.
Now you have mean wondering about blowing ballast tanks on the Dolphin. Just as the pressure of the extreme depths makes compressed air for the torpeado tubes an issue, it would be the same for ballast tanks, would it not?
Nice video Paul! I just wanted to point out that 10,000 feet is out of the question, I'm afraid. The Dolphin's designed test depth, which has been declassified (see, e.g., "Proposed Acoustic and Oceanographic Program for the Deep-Diving Submarine Dolphin (AGSS-555)"), was 4,000 feet. As a sanity check, you can do a rough approximation of the collapse depth using the hoop stress formula. If we say the hull is three inches thick HY-80 with a pressure hull diameter of 19'3", she would have a collapse depth of 4,700 feet. Assuming a 1.5x factor of safety, that corresponds to a test depth of 3,100 feet. A 10,000-foot test depth with HY-80 would require a hull about 10 inches thick, far beyond the capacity of HY-80 plate to be rolled.
@@paulfarace9595 The framing is just there so that the hull is stiff enough to match the theoretical yield stress of the plating without prematurely buckling. To use the Cod as an example, if you do the same hoop stress calculation (11/16" thick plating, 16' diameter, 45,000 psi yield strength) you get a designed collapse depth of 725 feet, which is in line with the real value. If you do the same calculation for the Thresher, to pick a more modern example, you get a designed collapse depth of 1,700 feet, only 12% less than the true value of 1,950 feet. Typically the actual designed collapse depth, which is of course a far more involved calculation that does indeed involve the framing, is usually within about 10% of the naïve hoop stress calculation. So what I'm saying is that based on the hull thickness you showed in the video, it is absolutely physically impossible for the Dolphin to have had a test depth anywhere near 10,000 feet. The thickness of hull plating required (about 10 inches) would be infeasible from a weight and construction standpoint (HY-80 plates cannot be rolled to that thickness). Sailors are known to tell tall tales, and the 10,000-foot suggestion is one such myth. I have been told other stories by submariners that are not compatible with the laws of physics (e.g., that a 688 could dive to 4,000 feet and reach 50 knots). And besides, despite what the placard says we do know the true value of the Dolphin's test depth: 4,000 feet.
@@jacobgunnarson9922 Good analysis. Besides, what he points to for the hull thickness example is not the hull plate - it is the flange on the frame, which is usually much different than the hull plate thickness. Don't know what the 688 capabilities are, I was on a 617, but I am familiar with some tall tale propensities of sailors on a boring midwatch (the tale of the great white naugha comes to mind.)
@@charleswells9682 That's true; it looks like the hull plating is covered. In any case, I wouldn't expect the plating to be substantially thicker than the frame flanges (the web though is usually quite bit thinner than both). From the data in Naval Ships' Technical Manual 091, it seems that the frame flanges for most submarines were typically less than 1/4" thinner than the plating. HY-80 apparently could not be rolled into plating much thicker than 3"; anything thicker had to be cast.
Signs, gringo? We don't need no steeekin safety signs. Besides not only was i filming (hard to do moving backwards), but for me it's safer going the way I'm used to. 😅
Thanks for this Paul. Wondering, were the men of COD and other fleet submarines primarily trained in Groton, onboard S-Boats, or on the vessels they were assigned (OJT)? This is a good research presentation. By the way, Let's Go Guards, I'd like to see them bring it home for Game 5! Enjoy Diego!
Just wondering what about the boat here in Portland built 1959 they filmed The Hunt for Red October in this last diesel submarine USS Blueback before it became a museum submarine we were always told that was the last diesel submarine in the fleet oh it's sitting in freshwater no seaweed growing on it
The USS Blueback was the last diesel ATTACK sub built for the Navy (1958) and was given to OMSI in 1995 or so when decommissioned. USS Dolphin was built in 1968 (as a research submarine) and was turned over to the owners in San Diego in 2009... so she was the Navy's last diesel sub (of any type). But remember, all nuclear subs are diesel subs deep inside, are they not?😅
Either call it a sail or a conning tower but I’d rather call whatever you pull up and down to produce drag for acceleration on a mast of a sail boat a sail.
Just looking at the Wiki on her, and in 2002, they almost lost her because of a failure of a torpedo door gasket, which allowed 75 tons of water into the ship. Thankfully, she was already on the surface when it happened.
@@paulfarace9595 and you have 10 torpedo tubes versus just one on Dolphin. I wish I was not on the West Coast, I'd love to come tour Cod one day. Most of my family served on the boats, albeit nukes, and I grew up outside of Groton/New London, so subs were always a part of the local scene, as well as a great bunch of sailors.
Coffee pot would seem hidden to most people, unless your crew. It was a coffee shop size pot. You can see it for a half second if you watch closly. Its still there.
Pretty much an EAB manifold no more than eight feet apart on subs in the sixties and seventies. Usually much closer than that. Emergency Air to plug Breathing apparatus into. In an emergency visibility might go to zero and you wanted to locate/feel the next one to plug into prior to disconnecting from the one you are using.
We used to have EAB races on the Sturgeon Class boats. Would tape over the face plate and make our way aft form the bow compartment finding the EAB connections along the way. Good practice for the real thing when one could not see one's hand in front of one's face.
Thanks for the video. I'm sorry - but 10,000ft diving depth is simply impossible. Most small research subs don't make that - being basically titanium spheres fitting 2 persons - and without a mechanical periscope passing through. Even 3,000ft seem unlikely. USS Albacore was designed for 1,170ft - made from the same HY80. If 3,000ft where true - the hull has to be roughly 2.5x thicker than Albacore. For 10,000ft - 8.5x. I'm quite sure that isn't the case - simply for practical reasons.
@@paulfarace9595 Yes. And many, many many other things. But that would over-complicate the matter. Let's put it like this: To achieve those claimed "more than 3,000ft" the hull had to withstand 8.5x what Albacore did. Which simply ment - there wouldn't be enough space left inside for machinery+men.
The last diesels we built were the BARBEL-class: SS-580 (BARBEL), SS-582 (BONEFISH), and SS-581(BLUEBACK). BONEFISH was the last ordered, BLUEBACK was the last completed. You can see BLUEBACK at OMSI, Portland, Oregon. These were front-line subs in their day. DIESEL BOATS FOREVER.
Haven't you seen the documentary 'Down Periscope'? Kelsey Grammer was given the last command of a Diesel submarine (shot on the Balao class USS Pampanito). USS Dolpin was decommissioned in 2007, although as how I understand her service was pretty limited after a serious incident in 2002 that almost sank her.
The Cod is going to growl and snap at you when you get home Paul. (One in every port? Typical sailor you) When Ryan toured another ship BB62 sniffed his butt and leaked on him... Must be a Jersey thing there. The Battle of New Jersey Cod
@@astroboy5137 Well Diesels never left in the Baltic and Northsea due to German and Scandinavian diesels, nowadays AIP fitted. The larger Dutch and the Japanese diesels boot impressive endurance and are Ocean going. Diesels are also still being built and developed for the export market in France, Germany, Russia and China.
@@Tuning3434 IIRC China is using theirs for coastal patrols, in addition to the export market. Australia almost bought a small fleet of them from France, but the US insisted on buying one of our nukes. Also Australia isn't allowed to peek under the hood by contract.
Haunted mostly, but not entirely, in the Berkelys engine room. Last time I was there that area is closed to the piblic. I know haunted and there is nothing happening in the public area.😊
3:25 talking about how dangerous it can be going down stairs, while actively ignoring the two signs telling you how to safely go down the ladder is a new kind of power move Paul
Unless it's 90-degrees it's a stairs 😅
@@paulfarace9595 On a warship, if it's stairs, it's a ladder. If it's a ladder, it's a ladder.
Sort of how the Army hits the deck in the morning, but later sweeps and mops the floor. 🙄
Not sure if the merchant navy has such distinctions.
Thanks for posting the video. Its great to see her again. I served on her from 97-01 as an MM1. A 10,000 foot test depth is the first I've ever heard of but maybe was possible at some point. I recall the depth gauge range was only to 6,000 feet. There was a hull cut made on the port side sometime in the 80's due to a cracked engine block that wouldn't fit down the hatch. A spare was also loaded. At that time test depth was decreased from 6,000 feet to 4,000 feet. I made lots of dives on her to 4,000 feet during my days on Dolphin. She was a great submarine to serve on. With such a small crew, it was like a family.
23:45 Would that be the hull cutout you spoke of?
@@eherrmann01yes I do recall that was the spot.
@@jeffmcbride3729 Very cool, thank you.
@@jeffmcbride3729 I know…Miss the camaraderie of that from my time aboard my sub
I retired off the Dolphin AGSS 555 in 2003 my last underway was my first and only swim call when we had to abandon ship after flooding and a fire. My first boat Was AGSS 567 USS Gudgeon.
Awesome video Paul. I believe you missed a unique feature on the Dolphin. The Dolphin has a 20 ton keel that can be released by the activation of explosive bolts in case of a flooding. You also failed to mention the 2002 flooding and fire casualty that almost resulted in the loss of Dolphin and crew. All hands had to abandon ship. A very harrowing event. I cringe when you stated that the Dolphin was the last Diesel boat in the navy. Technically this is correct, but the true last conventional Diesel submarine in the navy was the USS Blueback SS 581 that was decommissioned in 1990. I was the last chief torpedoman to walk off the boat. We were tied up to a pier across from the pier that Dolphin was tied up to. I had two shipmates that transfered to the Blueback from the Dolphin.
It's just a walk through, not an engineering study. But you provided this interesting fact about the keel... that's why comments are IMHO as important as the video. Remember Dolphin was still owned by the USN after Blueback was given to OMSI. Besides, IMHO every Nuke is a diesel !😅
@@paulfarace9595 Ouch! That really hurt!
Plan to tour the Blueback in Portland someday !!!!!!!!!!
My colleagues husband had been an officer on one of the last conventional subs in the USN. He told fun sea stories. My favorite was when they did a port call in a Japanese fishing village. A boat from the bath house came out and picked up sailors. The sailors did not know one was supposed wash the body before entering the large common hot pool. The sailors hadn't bathed in weeks and enter the pool. My friend said that it was like sinking an oil tanker. Each person's oils accumulated on the skin came off and started spreading across the pool. Locals jumped out of the pool before the oil slick touched them. The owner had to drain the pool and scrub the walls the skipper ended up having to pay for the cleaning and lost income for the out of service time.
The diesel engines produced a lot of fine oil mist which accumulated on sailors bodies. Since there wasn't enough water for bathing on deployment, it just accumulated on the skin.
Talk about bathtub ring!😮😂
I can just see that. After my first on board shower one week out, I realized that towels were for redistributing the oily coating I'd picked up. I'm sure he told you about the PARFUM d' DIESEL that followed the crew on liberty.
@@Weesel71 well it was a sea story told by an old salt who never observed a tanker go down like my dad did. Dad did talk about the oil slick burning so crew burned to death if stayed on the ship or abandoned. Of course as an engineering officer he told me (and showed me Lane Victory) how the engineering officer sat a different table than the other offices because the reaked of working in the engine room. When he became cheif engineer and thus 3rd in command he didn't even get a cabin on same deck as the skipper and the navigator. The only reason he got his own cabin with space is had to keep technical manuals and be able to work out solutions there. He also stored the keys to everything thing there as he had to be able to get everything.
I was a Navy Reservist QM1 back in 1989 and managed (and lucky) to get an active duty for training at the Sub Base in San Diego. That year the budget was tight. The Admiral's aim (ComSubPac) for the exercise was to get all subs sortied and take a photo of the base empty. Our Communications staff spent much of the exercise aboard Dolphin using her comms gear while she was pier side at moorings near the Sub Base. I didn't go aboard, but taking those petty officers to the boat I could see how tiny she was just from her sail size. As a Quartermaster, I was tasked with drafting the overlays of the exercise op areas on a chart of the Pacific Coast of Asia. The Base's Subs and Tender forward located to Alaska for the exercise. I wasn't a Submariner, but a "skimmer"... surface Navy and I really learned a lot. I went aboard the Nuclear Fast Attack sub "Drum" before she sailed and found her no bigger habitability-wise than the Diesel Fleet Boat Drum, which I'd visited in Mobile Bay.
Fun Facts:
The sail plates are made of Fiberglass composite, sealed and made watertight with black polysulfide marine caulk. They were made part of the sub safe boundary of the submarine after the incident on May 2002.
Between the sail and the hull there are rows of one way double headed rubber scuppers to drain water that comes down the sail. Those have to be inspected every 6 months.
Cheerios were first released on May 1, 1941. They were called, CheeriOats, until Dec. 2, 1945.
Now, the Honey Nut Cheerios (in the picture) weren't released released until March 1, 1979. About a month and a half before i was born.
(Thanks Google.)
That is an impressive submarine, especially its depth capability.
I like the use of netting to secure ares that they don't want the public to go. I dislike it when museums use plastic panels that make it very difficult to take pictures through due to the reflection of the flash.
Not to mention that the netting doesn't take as much time to cut and fit in place.
@@ghost307 I was thinking the same thing, I dislike tours where it’s all behind plastic.
Plastic is almost as bad as really terrible mannequins placed in rooms..😂
@dwebs262 well plastic is often overdone but it's not a mannequin 😅
At 16:10,not 12 volts, V is the engine configuration, like a V8 engine, but this is a V12 engine, and each cylinder is 71 cubic inches. 12 V 71. Back in the day, the detroit diesel was in so many things, and when they needed more power, they just added more cylinders. Detroit diesels came as a single cylinder, twins, triples, inline four and six, V6, V8, V12, V16, and munch more. I was surprised that the D.D. was in a sub, but it makes sense. Thanks for the video.
Yes i was reading the plaque without my brain fully engaged... Sadly no do-overs in our low-budget filming. Thanks for the added information!
I was just going to say the same thing. I don't know of any 12v busses! No matter who you are almost anywhere in the world you touch or use something that was moved, built or hauled by General Motors 2 stroke at some point. Including your freedom. I would eliminate the "bus engine" part because it is only partially true and misleading. Great video!
@@paulfarace9595 no worries. Regardless of your budget, I enjoyed your video. I was just passing some of my useless knowledge that nobody asked for.
Even though they have a microwave and other fancy stuff in the galley, they don't seem to have a pencil sharpener. 🤔😂
Great video, even without Evan.
Missing the Absco Giant 😜🤓😝
Right!!! No sharpener!😢
The pencil sharpener is located on the left side of the periscope. Right next to the torpedo launch leaver…
EXCELLANT report Paul.
Dolphin was used all the time for cable laying / deep sea cable.. modifications as well as a maintainer of SOSUS's automated systems after the deep sea torpedo trials...
Thanks!
I hope they commemorate Chief Machinist's Mate (SS) John D. Wise, Jr. who literally saved the boat during the fire/flooding incident in 2002 by keeping 90% flooded pump room in operation.
No, but it sure sounds like something they should do!
Man that blue rubber deck covering sure brings back some memories for this 1980's destroyer sailor! USS Preble DDG-46 81 to 85.
Thanx Paul, Great Job.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍
Great video - met you on shore just before you got there. Enjoyed or all too brief chat
It was great meeting you ! My wife realized our TH-cam efforts have reach outside our little local band of submarine fans!
Paul, Thank you for sharing this tour with us. Always wondered what the Dolphin looked like inside. I was homeported in San Diego and served aboard Sturgeon Class boats.
First I've heard of this boat.
Very interesting!
As a crew member of Darter ss576 the real last diesel submarine built after Nautilas, ss571 and other nuclear boats. She had no conning tower, airline helm station.
Every sub is the "last diesel!" 😊😊😊
Looking at Dolphin makes me respect the palatial size of the Cod. :D
Indeed!!!!❤
Very nice tour, I enjoyed it immensely!
12v71 is a 12cylinder 2 stroke in a v configuration.
According to Wikipedia standard crew compliment was 3 officers, 20 ratings, and 4 scientist or engineers.
That's a tight fit in the corridors. Excellent video.
What a strange place to stand with coffee and have a conversation…😂. They couldn’t let you go in alone?
Not sure what you mean... 😅
Yeah I'm a bit confused as well. No idea what they are referring to
But he ordered goulash and he got soup!
He’s trying to do a tour video, but there are other people having conversations and taking drinks onto the boat.
Oh, he's referring to Goulash Guy 😂
I want to hear more about the goulash.
My wife encountered a Hungarian family in the control room... and i was hungry for goulash afterwards!😅
Paul… 25:04 Great additional info on developments in sub design 👍🏻🤩🤓
Great tour Paul. Learn a lot fro your videos. Thank you
Ah, yes. The last "actual" diesel-electric sub in the U.S. Navy! But not the last diesel-electric *attack* sub (that's USS Blueback). Funny to see how similar and slightly different the technology is compared to Blueback, despite Dolphin being commissioned some 9 years later and serving until about 16 years after Blueback. Great video, Paul!
Thanks! Coming from a peer it means a lot. As I mentioned in earlier comments, to me all nuclear subs are diesel boats anyway... they have them for when the atomic tea kettle is being persnickety. 😅
Someday you and I should do a walk through of beautiful Blueback... ❤
I visited the USS Blueback at the Oregon Musem of Science and Industry in 2019. I believe the Blueback was the last active diesel attack sub in the US Navy. It was great seeing the similarities and differences between her and the WW2 fleet boats.
Blueback was given to OMSI in the 1990s... Dolphin was turned over to San Diego about 2009... hence she's the last one the Navy had.
@paulfarace9595 I understand. I did state that the Blueback was the last diesel "attack" sub. Love your videos!
Beyond burning yourself, it's a good thing you didn't touch the micro-waav-eh. It's sharp! Badda-bing!
Thanks for sharing, very interesting seeing this part of history.
We were going to tour the sub in Portland Oregon, but they closed early.seems to be like this one
Nothing like it at all... the USS Blueback is an attack submarine, larger and armed with torpedo tubes!
Me and my daughters went onboard right before Covid. We loved it!. The only thing was I didnt see where the crew would have their bunks?
Below the main deck.
Thanks Paul! I eat sub tours for breakfast.
I served on the CARP SS 338 IN 1968
It looked like the sail trailing edge was cocked to port? Possibly due to smaller planes and faster speed/torque
I didn't notice that... but then I wasn't looking for thst.😊
AWSOME review Paul! I could almost imagine what operations took place within its hull. There’s what you’re told and what lbs still classified. I’m sure many a CIA and special operations carried out. 👍👍😁🇺🇸
Wrong kind of missions... this is an experimental platform to develop hardware. Real attack boats would handle clandestine missions or the NR-1 ... a sub for a future program.
Los Angeles & Ohio submarines both use compressed air to launch Torpedoes. The 1st is an air piston pushing water. The 2nd is an impeller.
But not direct air impingement !
Wow…That is an amazing depth even by today’s standards…
Yup Dolphin has a diving depth of at least 10,000 feet. Pretty crazy.
I went to EM "C-7" school with an EM who had served in Dolphin (this was 1982)
Dennis, I went to IC "C-7" school in 1978. the first 16 weeks were both EM's and IC's and then we separated into our own rates for the final 8 weeks. I served on Sturgeon Class boats.
There’s a picture of Marlin or her sister visiting Naples Florida in the 1960s off their pier, it’s a neat old image
Too bad Evan couldn't insert some images of Albacore and Marlin... I'll see that he gets bread and water rations and 10 lashes for his omission!😮
@@paulfarace9595 The lashings will continue until morale improves.
I was also on NR1, a deep submergence research sub, now decommissioned. No where even close to 10000 feet.
I'm only quoting a former skipper and another crewman ...😮
There is my naive hope Paul, one fine day, gets to stroll through a 688, casually comparing things to Cod - Wouldnt that be most excellent? 😅
Mine too! Mine too... how about a Virginia class while we're at it?😅
Great video...👍
Needs a good cleaning--soon. I was a high school kid at Key West (67-68), and several times during the year you could tour the various subs there and that actually almost talked me into joining, but the diesels were soon gone it seemed and my interest in Nukes wasn't too great--today I would take a Nuke. There were two smaller subs, not this one, they
looked like the larger ones. One of them they put wheels on it so that it could role of the sea bed, I don't think that took off.
That pretty gal following you around! I'd take the hint and introduce yourself to her 😅
Thanks, Paul!
What was the amount of crew
3 Officer, 15 crew
The navy should have or build a handful of tiny task diesel subs. They are more valuable and stralthful if they have aluminum hulls that don't have a magnetic signature.
Now you have mean wondering about blowing ballast tanks on the Dolphin. Just as the pressure of the extreme depths makes compressed air for the torpeado tubes an issue, it would be the same for ballast tanks, would it not?
Think emergency drop keel and using g planes for depth control once you have neutral buoyancy
Nice video Paul! I just wanted to point out that 10,000 feet is out of the question, I'm afraid. The Dolphin's designed test depth, which has been declassified (see, e.g., "Proposed Acoustic and Oceanographic Program for the Deep-Diving Submarine Dolphin (AGSS-555)"), was 4,000 feet. As a sanity check, you can do a rough approximation of the collapse depth using the hoop stress formula. If we say the hull is three inches thick HY-80 with a pressure hull diameter of 19'3", she would have a collapse depth of 4,700 feet. Assuming a 1.5x factor of safety, that corresponds to a test depth of 3,100 feet. A 10,000-foot test depth with HY-80 would require a hull about 10 inches thick, far beyond the capacity of HY-80 plate to be rolled.
Well did you see the framing on the boat? My information was a quote from a former commander of the sub!😮😅
@@paulfarace9595 The framing is just there so that the hull is stiff enough to match the theoretical yield stress of the plating without prematurely buckling. To use the Cod as an example, if you do the same hoop stress calculation (11/16" thick plating, 16' diameter, 45,000 psi yield strength) you get a designed collapse depth of 725 feet, which is in line with the real value. If you do the same calculation for the Thresher, to pick a more modern example, you get a designed collapse depth of 1,700 feet, only 12% less than the true value of 1,950 feet. Typically the actual designed collapse depth, which is of course a far more involved calculation that does indeed involve the framing, is usually within about 10% of the naïve hoop stress calculation.
So what I'm saying is that based on the hull thickness you showed in the video, it is absolutely physically impossible for the Dolphin to have had a test depth anywhere near 10,000 feet. The thickness of hull plating required (about 10 inches) would be infeasible from a weight and construction standpoint (HY-80 plates cannot be rolled to that thickness). Sailors are known to tell tall tales, and the 10,000-foot suggestion is one such myth. I have been told other stories by submariners that are not compatible with the laws of physics (e.g., that a 688 could dive to 4,000 feet and reach 50 knots). And besides, despite what the placard says we do know the true value of the Dolphin's test depth: 4,000 feet.
@@jacobgunnarson9922 Good analysis. Besides, what he points to for the hull thickness example is not the hull plate - it is the flange on the frame, which is usually much different than the hull plate thickness. Don't know what the 688 capabilities are, I was on a 617, but I am familiar with some tall tale propensities of sailors on a boring midwatch (the tale of the great white naugha comes to mind.)
@@charleswells9682 That's true; it looks like the hull plating is covered. In any case, I wouldn't expect the plating to be substantially thicker than the frame flanges (the web though is usually quite bit thinner than both). From the data in Naval Ships' Technical Manual 091, it seems that the frame flanges for most submarines were typically less than 1/4" thinner than the plating. HY-80 apparently could not be rolled into plating much thicker than 3"; anything thicker had to be cast.
ignoring the first safety signs, great start :-D
Signs, gringo? We don't need no steeekin safety signs. Besides not only was i filming (hard to do moving backwards), but for me it's safer going the way I'm used to. 😅
Thanks for this Paul. Wondering, were the men of COD and other fleet submarines primarily trained in Groton, onboard S-Boats, or on the vessels they were assigned (OJT)? This is a good research presentation. By the way, Let's Go Guards, I'd like to see them bring it home for Game 5! Enjoy Diego!
Cod's WWII-era crewctrsined on O, R, and S boats .... depending on when they went through the submarine school.
@@paulfarace9595 Thank you!
And a triband hf radio antenna
Very interesting
Dolphin hmm? With just one torpedo tube it should have been the USS Barney Fife.
Paul, what was the crew complement?
About 20 with extra technicians...
Just wondering what about the boat here in Portland built 1959 they filmed The Hunt for Red October in this last diesel submarine USS Blueback before it became a museum submarine we were always told that was the last diesel submarine in the fleet oh it's sitting in freshwater no seaweed growing on it
The USS Blueback was the last diesel ATTACK sub built for the Navy (1958) and was given to OMSI in 1995 or so when decommissioned. USS Dolphin was built in 1968 (as a research submarine) and was turned over to the owners in San Diego in 2009... so she was the Navy's last diesel sub (of any type). But remember, all nuclear subs are diesel subs deep inside, are they not?😅
Either call it a sail or a conning tower but I’d rather call whatever you pull up and down to produce drag for acceleration on a mast of a sail boat a sail.
Tomato tomatoe!😂
What about USS Albacore? She has a later hull number.
What about Albacore? I mentioned her several times. Hull numbers get authorized and assigned long before subs are built.
Just looking at the Wiki on her, and in 2002, they almost lost her because of a failure of a torpedo door gasket, which allowed 75 tons of water into the ship. Thankfully, she was already on the surface when it happened.
That's a bit of water! I'm glad our torpedo door gaskets are new, as of 2021!
@@paulfarace9595 and you have 10 torpedo tubes versus just one on Dolphin. I wish I was not on the West Coast, I'd love to come tour Cod one day. Most of my family served on the boats, albeit nukes, and I grew up outside of Groton/New London, so subs were always a part of the local scene, as well as a great bunch of sailors.
I did't notice any berthing, where did they sleep? (if they were allowed LOL!)
Ook closely in the bow compartment.... and in the lower deck forward.
Wheres the coffee pot?
Coffee pot would seem hidden to most people, unless your crew. It was a coffee shop size pot. You can see it for a half second if you watch closly. Its still there.
Ah yes, one of the Most important parts of a submarine. We never got much sleep, so coffee was our go to.
That seemed like a whole bunch of EAB connections
Pretty much an EAB manifold no more than eight feet apart on subs in the sixties and seventies. Usually much closer than that. Emergency Air to plug Breathing apparatus into. In an emergency visibility might go to zero and you wanted to locate/feel the next one to plug into prior to disconnecting from the one you are using.
@@wbix2298 Yep…There was one shot with about 2-3 sets of eab manifolds close to the control station…
We used to have EAB races on the Sturgeon Class boats. Would tape over the face plate and make our way aft form the bow compartment finding the EAB connections along the way. Good practice for the real thing when one could not see one's hand in front of one's face.
@@charlesbartholomew2910 We did the same on my boat 😜🤩☝🏻
Newer not by much of the 3 The Barbel-class submarines, the last diesel-electric propelled attack submarines
6000ft is pretty insane for something that large. Another 1960's capability US couldn't afford anymore after 2007.
Or didn't need...😮
Thanks for the video.
I'm sorry - but 10,000ft diving depth is simply impossible. Most small research subs don't make that - being basically titanium spheres fitting 2 persons - and without a mechanical periscope passing through.
Even 3,000ft seem unlikely. USS Albacore was designed for 1,170ft - made from the same HY80. If 3,000ft where true - the hull has to be roughly 2.5x thicker than Albacore.
For 10,000ft - 8.5x. I'm quite sure that isn't the case - simply for practical reasons.
Before you saw too far through the tree branch you're sitting on, READ THE COMMENTS ABOVE FROM CREW! 😅😅😅
Frame spacious g and hull diameter also play a major role in depth range!
@@paulfarace9595 Yes. And many, many many other things.
But that would over-complicate the matter.
Let's put it like this: To achieve those claimed "more than 3,000ft" the hull had to withstand 8.5x what Albacore did.
Which simply ment - there wouldn't be enough space left inside for machinery+men.
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What about the USA silversides?
What about her? She's not a research sub. We're planning a program on her.
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Aren't they still making and commissioning diesel subs for certain porpoises? It's all nuke now?
The last diesels we built were the BARBEL-class: SS-580 (BARBEL), SS-582 (BONEFISH), and SS-581(BLUEBACK). BONEFISH was the last ordered, BLUEBACK was the last completed. You can see BLUEBACK at OMSI, Portland, Oregon. These were front-line subs in their day. DIESEL BOATS FOREVER.
Yes
@@Weesel71 The B Girls.
Haven't you seen the documentary 'Down Periscope'? Kelsey Grammer was given the last command of a Diesel submarine (shot on the Balao class USS Pampanito). USS Dolpin was decommissioned in 2007, although as how I understand her service was pretty limited after a serious incident in 2002 that almost sank her.
@@Tuning3434 No, after the incident, she was fixed up and she was just fine.
The Cod is going to growl and snap at you when you get home Paul. (One in every port? Typical sailor you)
When Ryan toured another ship BB62 sniffed his butt and leaked on him... Must be a Jersey thing there.
The Battle of New Jersey Cod
Small galley cause they probably didn’t spend a whole lotta time at sea.
A few weeks at sea I would guess maximum.
Um, the Navy's newest submarines are diesel... ORCA!
Orca is unmanned.😊
10,000. Feet....that's bologna.....no sub can go that deep
Well don't tell all the folks who dive in Titanic 😮😮😮
US next sub should be solar and "manned" by a DEI crew :)
Probably already has... 😊
DBF
D.B.F.
Its a bit interesting that Diesel is coming back in a big way.
Not in the US Navy...
Where??
@@astroboy5137 Well Diesels never left in the Baltic and Northsea due to German and Scandinavian diesels, nowadays AIP fitted. The larger Dutch and the Japanese diesels boot impressive endurance and are Ocean going. Diesels are also still being built and developed for the export market in France, Germany, Russia and China.
Cheaper to build
Better batteries
@@Tuning3434 IIRC China is using theirs for coastal patrols, in addition to the export market.
Australia almost bought a small fleet of them from France, but the US insisted on buying one of our nukes. Also Australia isn't allowed to peek under the hood by contract.
fun fact the Berkeley next door is a national haunted landmark
Haunted mostly, but not entirely, in the Berkelys engine room. Last time I was there that area is closed to the piblic. I know haunted and there is nothing happening in the public area.😊
Haunted? You're haunted inside your head, perhaps. 😅
@@Ganiscol you got some screws loose. look it up .