Fun fact it wasn't a insantsuccess it premiered on the night after the JFK assasination and it only became a hit when they reran it before the second episode
Then the cops get called on you, @Hugh Surname_Xx420xX, and you are stuck having to explain that app to them. Before you know it you are a permanent residence of the National Sex Offender Registry.
Actually slightly wrong. They weren't junked through mistakes. The BBC policies was to show it a couple of times, sell it abroad and due to thevfact that tapes and videos took up space to save room in the vault, the BBC junked the film and tapes. It's not just Doctor Who that was to "benefit" from the BBCs policy but many of the programs from the mid 70s back were junked. For example Out Of The Unknown, and more famously Dad's Army. The missing early episodes of Dad's only now survive as reproductions.
@@Nainoaa_ I agree, I'm a massive fan of the show and I have been attacked for sharing my opinion online, I have a Doctor Who Instagram but I don't talk to the other fans much as I'm afraid of being attacked.
Thank Chibnall, he was horrible before he was the showrunner and now he's running the show into the ground. He wanted more companions because Classic Who had them, but neglected the fact that New Who has a shorter run-time, also he couldn't write a good Doctor Who story if his life depended on it, like that star that killed the miners. To be fair, he did write some of the best Amy and Rory content, but then decided to ruin it in the last third of the episode (the one with the cubes).
even weirder that I'm not really that familiar with Doctor Who (although I watched Torchwood through a few times, but that hardly counts), just yesterday I got recommended a video titles something like "The failure of the 13th doctor" and watched a couple short related stuff -- otherwise, I didn't even really think about Doctor Who for years, and now this video hit youtube 17 hours ago (it took me this long to check youtube) how's that half the time I look up something relatively obscure* a channel I'm subbed to releases content about/around/mentioning it? *: by obscure I mean outside of the usual and expected range of topics or subject, I'm not calling Doctor Who "obscure" literally
@@grzzltn I get it. The thing is I watch Gamer from Mars for these types of videos. But I also watch a lot of forgot who tubers (diamanda hagen, amtv, josh snares, cdf, ace creeper, i could go on, all relitively small doctor who channels) so seeing an outsider, who I'm familiar with the content of, talk about this is wierd. Generally he's accurate, although he does gloss over or exaggerate certain elements of things.
@@ms.antithesis yeah, and it's a good format, but given the time limit of the video and schedule, small inaccuracies or exaggerations are to be expected and generally not frowned upon. it's just still weird how (seemingly?) independent things sometimes align and result in that YT recommends to you a topic you haven't even think of for a long while and you watched nothing even mentioning it, then he next day someone also mentions it -- it's even spookier if it happens in real life. Of course, it's almost 100% sure to be a glitch in the matrix, I mean statistically highly probable to happen eventually, but my brain still gets amazed by it
For anyone curious, there's actually a web series which covers Lost Doctor Who stories from after the classic series was cancelled called "What if Doctor Who wasn't axed". Fair warning, it does get hypothetical at times, but it's a great way to learn about this mysterious section of Who history
He's my favourite Doctor, it is such a shame. Some of his best stories are missing too like Marco Polo, The Crusade, The Daleks Master Plan and the Massacre. Still at least we have most of the first two seasons.
He got roasted pretty good by Hartnell's Doctor in 3 Doctors 1st Doctor: So you're my replacements hmm, a dandy and a clown. Have you done anything yet? 2nd Doctor: Well uh we assessed the situation 1st Doctor: Just as I thought, you've done absolutely nothing.
I remember hearing sone of this from blameitonjorge. Its interesting that some episodes lost or found. I'm glad that people find interest and found them. Not all of them, but they are getting there.
It really sucks. Masterpieces lost and destroyed. Its really sad seeing great episodes like Daleks Master Plan and Marco Polo. Its sucks for young fans that wanna watch the classic 2nd and 1st doctor serials...
It’s so odd to realize that the Shada reconstructions came so late bc I distinctly remember roleplaying on forums with a friend who played as some of the characters around 2011-2014. That episode is still my favorite out of the whole series and Salyavin remains one of my favorite characters, love that old man.
Oh boi ima be the downer. It is impossible to see ALL of them due to the reason that ep 7 of the Daleks master plan - the feast of Steven was 100% confirmed junked for all of its copies. :-/ Maybe one day we could see a few more tho! :-)
Another well-known lost episode from Hartnell's era is 'The Feast of Steven' which included a scene where the Doctor and his companions celebrated Christmas.
This video is really really well done and as someone who's watched all of the old series INCLUDING the audio-with-stills episodes, I appreciate the work that was put in to explain everything. People always say to start with 4 if you want to watch the classic episodes, but honestly in my opinion, Jamie and Zoe were/still are the best companions that The Doc has ever had and they spanned from 2-3, 3 being my favourite Doctor overall. It's well worth starting earlier, and I'm so glad the fandom has pushed hard enough to not only find old episodes, but recreate things to fill in the gaps.
I saw this and immediately had to click. I am a HUGE Doctor Who nerd, so many of the missing episodes have had to be from nothing by dedicated fans. Its insane how many episodes the BBC wiped.
I'm not a fan of doctor who, never saw an episode, but I do have a soft spot for the lost episodes because looking into Dr who on wikipedia one day had me fall down the lost media rabbit hole, and now I'm into lost media.
@@julieeverett7442 So is Shada, so is Season 23, so is Cartmel Masterplan. The original version of what could've been is lost. The book is fantastic, but ultimately the next best thing compared to the movie actually happening.
I don't think it was that bad. Cartmel was a competent writer and he might have been able to pull it off (although I doubt it) Chibnal is a talentless hack
@@Laurabeck329 Still both take away what made the Doctor so iconic and relatable. A normal person doing good making them special instead of being pre-destined to do so.
@@dragon_ninja_2186 Oh I agree. Doctor has to be just an average time lord who chose to break away from his race and start actually helping the universe and that's hpw he became the Doctor. If he was special from the start that kind of ruines everything, but it could have been handled better is what I'm saying
@@adamwalkervfx No he didn't :/ Cartmell's ideas were finalized in the book Lungbarrow, and it's nothing like what Timeless Child twist ended up being (for instance, that revealed Time Lords were created in a cave rather than born, Doctor was implied to be a third major figure in Gallifreyan mythology alongside Rassilon and Omega) Timeless Children completely puts the wait of time lord creation on Doctor's shoulders, having their own regeneration cycle implanted into the original people of Gallifrey Cartmell has commented on Timeless Children. He hates the twist (believing Chibnall revealed too much compared to what he was doing) but in no way did he say he was ripped off.
I always click so damn fast when I see you uploaded something new been a fan since the top 4 chan pranks and scary pokémon videos lol you’ve always been one of the greats you deserve so much more
What about the legendary pirating in Chicago cutting off a Doctor Who ep from a guy wearing a Mitch Headroom mask? That's a whole nother story for GFM to talk about. It's been covered on YT by a few but would like to see you GFM with your take on the legendary pirating by Max Headroom, to this day that has still never been identified. Sounds like a case for GFM!
Highly recommended! If you can find the "NuWho" starting from the reboot in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston give it a watch its amazing, also look for the Fourth Doctors Tom Baker's series they are truly a slight to behold! 👽👌
Same. I've never been interested in watching the series but I've always appreciated its fans passion for it. But I love lost media quests like this, so this video is a neat peak into another fandom.
There was a scrapped script for the Ninth Doctor in which he, Jack and Rose travel to Pompeii and its revealed that the doctor had chosen Rose as a sort of experiment to be the 'perfect companion'
I knew about this stuff because of Dad's Army, which suffered from the same problem as early Doctor Who, where some episodes were wiped to make room. They also completely reanimated some episodes that only had audio.
I'm glad so many episodes have been found, and since so many have been found so recently, it gives hope that more will be found! And this video tells so many amazing stories and facts I've never heard anywhere else! Good job!!! On another note, there will never be an actor so perfect as The Master as Roger Delgado. He was charming but sinister, suave but dangerous; no one will ever play him as well or as powerfully. May he rest in peace.
Episode 7 of the Dalek masterplan will never be recovered as it was never tele-recorded for distribution. We need to give thanks to John Cura, who's telesnaps allow us to recreate missing episodes from the scenes.
I was writing this comment throughout the video because of how long I thought it was gonna be, but then you mentioned the episode we almost had but couldn't due to Roger Delgado's untimely death, and I just gotta say, RIP one of the best Masters. 😔 I'm so happy to see a video like this. The whole infamous bit about the episodes missing because of the TV ideals at the time has always struck a cord for me, even if I'm not as interested in the show anymore. I remember when they found the episodes for The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear in 2013. It's still *so* surreal for me, and I can't say why. Also. Fuck Michael Grade. Love Colin Baker.
I remember hearing about these when I was a Dr. Who fan! My favorite lost Who footage is a short clip of The Beatles that can only be found in one of the episodes, with the rest (and a higher quality version) missing. I hope it's found someday! :D
The Chase is actually one of the stories that’s been fully recovered! I would recommend as it’s a fast paced, fun and silly run-around with the daleks!
Jon Pertwee is likely the most interesting doctor, as he was transferred last second off of the battlecruiser HMS Hood when she and HMS Prince of Wales were given the orders to intercept the German battleship Bismarck and heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. If he had not been scheduled to begin officer’s training, we could have seen Ordinary Seaman Jon Pertwee be just another name on a list of over 1,418 men who lost their lives at sea when HMS Hood exploded after being hit by a 15 inch shell which detonated the 4 inch magazine.
@@PieEater163 Ironic, because it's essentially the same thing. It reveals the Doctor to be the origin of the Time Lords and introduces earlier unseen incarnations. I don't see how Chibnall's version is different...
@@-haclong2366 The idea is who the Doctor is and how it's framed changes. Masterplan would've had Doctor as a third major figure who created time lords alongside Rassilon and Omega Timeless Children puts the Doctor into a role where their biology was copied by original residents of Gallifrey. Maybe painting by broad strokes it is similar, but the smallest analysis makes the two completely different.
I'm pretty sure I own that DVD with Attack of the Graske on it lol, I think i've played it like 20 times, but not for many years. Strange memories of a Whovian huh.
As someone who doesn't care at all about Dr. Who I must say I think it's interesting that such a popular show has so many lost episodes but it makes sense back then people didn't see the need to preserve media for future generations and it makes sense that popular long running franchises like Dr. Who would have lose media.
Both The Final Game and The Cartmel Masterplan sort of made their way into the modern series of Doctor Who. The Peter Capaldi (12th Doctor) era saw the introduction of Missy, the Master's female incarnation (played by Michelle Gomez), who was initially still up to her evil tricks. But unlike past incarnations, her actions weren't purely out of spite for the Doctor, rather she wanted to go back to being friends with him. This was further explored in Series 10 where Missy asks for a chance of redemption, to which the Doctor agrees to oversee. This came to a head in the Series 10 finale where she encounters a previous incarnation of hers (John Simm's Master) and she has to decide whether or not to stand with the Doctor in his final (for 12) hour or return to her evil ways. Though reluctant, she decides to stand with the Doctor at the last minute as she and the Master are some distance away from the Doctor and co., resulting in her stabbing the Master in hopes he'll regenerate into her. The Master, however, refuses to ever stand with the Doctor and kills Missy in such a way that she cannot regenerate. Her redemption was seen by no one aside from her own past life (who would forget it all happening anyway due to the effects of meeting your future self) and she died for nothing. An ironic yet fitting end to a character like The Master... who comes back 2 seasons later played by Sacha Dhawan so it don't matter. Speaking of, this ties into The Timeless Child arc which, like the Cartmel Masterplan, revealed that the Doctor (now played by Jodie Whittaker) had previous lives before her first. Though as opposed to being a reincarnation of "The Other" specifically, but a continuation of a being known as The Timeless Child who fell through a portal from a mysterious world and was the first being on Gallifrey with the ability to regenerate, so her adoptive mother Tecteun preformed experiments on her to try and harness her regenerative abilities and shared this power with the Shobogans, creating the Time Lords. The Timeless Child had their memory wiped and was regressed to an infant (the 1st Doctor), but there were apparently Doctors who preceeded even the first, as seen with the Fugitive Doctor (played by Jo Martin) in Fugitive of the Judoon. Needless to say, this has been one of the most controversial revelation in Doctor Who since the 8th Doctor (Paul McGann) revealed he was half-human in the 1996 Doctor Who Movie.
The Timeless Child retconed everything about Doctor Who lore to the point where they may as well have just rebooted the series so they could start a fresh new timeline and make a whole new universe of stories to explore.
Two teenagers independently recorded all the audio of all the shows. Both went on to become professional audio engineers. Thus the sound is very high quality.
You missed an episode with the tenth doctor (David tennet) this episode was to have the doctor ending up in a haunted house and teaming up with the cast of most haunted (a group of people that go in search of ghosts and other paranormal activity around the uk) with the most haunted cast proving to the doctor that ghosts do exist. It would have aird live on tv but what we got instead was the episode midnight
Yeah, the reason most episodes survive is because they were sold abroad. Each episode was recorded on videotape then copied to film to sell abroad. As far as I can tell, Feast was never copied because of its festive nature and the original tape was wiped shortly after to be reused.
Chris Chibnall single handedly ruined this show. Season 12 was an absolute disgrace to the the 50+ year history of Doctor Who. The BBC should be ashamed.
Pfft, as if. Moffat's the one that messed it all up. Turned it from a fun serial to a stupid overarching storyline- zapped all the fun out of DW. I haven't watched since the 11th Dr, so I don't know how CC does it, but if you're looking for where the downfall began, it's defo with Moffat. Shame too, cuz Matt Smith was an excellent doctor.
@@hobihope2981 it began with Moffatt, yes, but a convoluted and mediocre couple of years, dotted with a few highlights, could have stayed just that. Instead we got a slight decline into the Chibnall era which then plummeted to rock bottom, destroying all past and future stories by completely rewriting the Doctor's origin in a spiteful, hateful way. I stopped enjoying the show halfway through Capaldi, but I know even people who enjoyed Chibnall's first season who were furious with what he did the next.
@@hobihope2981 Dude Peter Capaldi's take on the Doctor redeemed Moffat …. but Chibnall on the other hand has pissed off every doctor who fan of both classic and new
You all are not wrong to hate what Chibnall has done to a TV show that for many (including myself) made our childhoods, the kindest thing the BBC can do now is cancel Doctor Who and continue putting out big finish audio stories, as at least they do more good then bad.
I mean it wasn't a great episode but there has been a lot worse before or since. I'm glad it didn't become a full series tbh as Big Finish have given Paul McGann far better stories than Fox ever would have.
there is one episode that is lost for certain: The Daleks Masterplan part 7: The Feast of Steven, as that one was never copied onto tape, and the mastertape was viped. One thing I find interesting, is the change in opinion on lost episodes, (the audio of every episode is still existent), if they are recovered, sometimes is negative (the tomb of the Cybermen), sometimes positive (the Enemy of the World)
This is quite the departure from your usual content. I do encourage anyone who wants to go more in depth on this subject to check out Josh Snares series on the missing episodes.
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Hmm I just watched some doctor who video and here you are making one 🤔
Looks shady
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Also BBC: EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
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@ryan productions are you ok
Ha ha I understood that refrence
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Fun fact it wasn't a insantsuccess it premiered on the night after the JFK assasination and it only became a hit when they reran it before the second episode
@@sirwafflegeorge4678 Yeah no. There is a 6 hour time difference between Dallas and the UK. Not 36.
@@MuchWhittering he’s probably talking about an American broadcast
@@MuchWhittering All channels were broadcasting the JFK news for hours after it happened.
@@metalmugen President being shot is pretty big news. Especially on the like.... six channels that were in existence at that point.
As someone whose favorite Doctor is the second, this has always been a source of great pain
The BBC was stupid back then
Same 10, 2 and 3 all the way
Yes. It really gives me great pain
@@Eminster the BBC still are pretty stupid nowadays.
Jamie and Zoe were the most iconic companion duo ever of all time
"Lolli" That's the worst name they could ever had chosen
fr the name makes me physically cringe anytime i hear it.
I guess so, @UnclePalpy.
I guess kid diddler wasn't an option
Then the cops get called on you, @Hugh Surname_Xx420xX, and you are stuck having to explain that app to them. Before you know it you are a permanent residence of the National Sex Offender Registry.
Actually slightly wrong. They weren't junked through mistakes. The BBC policies was to show it a couple of times, sell it abroad and due to thevfact that tapes and videos took up space to save room in the vault, the BBC junked the film and tapes. It's not just Doctor Who that was to "benefit" from the BBCs policy but many of the programs from the mid 70s back were junked. For example Out Of The Unknown, and more famously Dad's Army. The missing early episodes of Dad's only now survive as reproductions.
The irony of a time traveling show having episodes lost to time is hilarious. Gotta love Doctor OHO.
When you need a TARDIS to find the missing episodes of your own series.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin ya that’s reTARDIS
@@Bradmhj not funny didn’t laugh
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin or any time machine for that matter
Irony
I’m so glad you covered this. Not many people talk about doctor who on the internet these days
Yeah. Most of the DW Fandom is very toxic especially TH-cam...
This is very refreshing
Doctor, who? We don't talk about him as we don't know he or she's name.
@@Nainoaa_ I agree, I'm a massive fan of the show and I have been attacked for sharing my opinion online, I have a Doctor Who Instagram but I don't talk to the other fans much as I'm afraid of being attacked.
@GamingWithChu I usually don’t see it while casually browsing
Thank Chibnall, he was horrible before he was the showrunner and now he's running the show into the ground. He wanted more companions because Classic Who had them, but neglected the fact that New Who has a shorter run-time, also he couldn't write a good Doctor Who story if his life depended on it, like that star that killed the miners.
To be fair, he did write some of the best Amy and Rory content, but then decided to ruin it in the last third of the episode (the one with the cubes).
This feels off brand for you but like... in a good way.
Actually I’ve been subbed to Mars for a while and lost media really isn’t a new topic for him if you look back at his older videos
I mean he's called the gamer from mars but the only games he ever covers are pokemon every couple years
That's interesting because I felt the video had followed the same format as most of his other recent videos.
For people curious, this is lost media.
Whatever it is we can all agree. Gamer does great at whatever he covers
lmao i wasn't expecting this. it feels wierd knowing about it when he's talking about it.
even weirder that I'm not really that familiar with Doctor Who (although I watched Torchwood through a few times, but that hardly counts), just yesterday I got recommended a video titles something like "The failure of the 13th doctor" and watched a couple short related stuff -- otherwise, I didn't even really think about Doctor Who for years, and now this video hit youtube 17 hours ago (it took me this long to check youtube)
how's that half the time I look up something relatively obscure* a channel I'm subbed to releases content about/around/mentioning it? *: by obscure I mean outside of the usual and expected range of topics or subject, I'm not calling Doctor Who "obscure" literally
@@grzzltn I get it. The thing is I watch Gamer from Mars for these types of videos. But I also watch a lot of forgot who tubers (diamanda hagen, amtv, josh snares, cdf, ace creeper, i could go on, all relitively small doctor who channels) so seeing an outsider, who I'm familiar with the content of, talk about this is wierd.
Generally he's accurate, although he does gloss over or exaggerate certain elements of things.
@@ms.antithesis yeah, and it's a good format, but given the time limit of the video and schedule, small inaccuracies or exaggerations are to be expected and generally not frowned upon. it's just still weird how (seemingly?) independent things sometimes align and result in that YT recommends to you a topic you haven't even think of for a long while and you watched nothing even mentioning it, then he next day someone also mentions it -- it's even spookier if it happens in real life. Of course, it's almost 100% sure to be a glitch in the matrix, I mean statistically highly probable to happen eventually, but my brain still gets amazed by it
@@grzzltn fair enough, same thing happened to me with Horrible Histories, and the weird modern spin offs they've been doing
For anyone curious, there's actually a web series which covers Lost Doctor Who stories from after the classic series was cancelled called "What if Doctor Who wasn't axed". Fair warning, it does get hypothetical at times, but it's a great way to learn about this mysterious section of Who history
Oh hell yeah. An episode on Doctor Who lost serials? This is my bread and butter.
Same lol
Same, my channel says it all
Same here, Gamer From Mars is the last person I'd expect to cover this!
Let’s just note that only one episode is considered permanently lost; The Feast Of Steven, the first Christmas episode, was completely destroyed.
There could be some off air recordings out there, but that’s about it :(
Jacob C The likelihood of the episode surviving in that form is incredibly slim, to the point of being pretty much impossible.
I thought its audio was found?
You would not believe how good it felt to hear an American pronounce Lancashire pretty much spot on.
"Painstakingly animate from scratch" so you mean animate.
But without any visual reference like they had done with the other episodes.
yeah but they had to animate it using production notes and audio
@@lemonysnickette Not true. Many missing episodes have surviving stills and/or clips.
@@MuchWhittering The specific one we are talking about did not, the one from the quote. Go back and watch the video and wait for the quote.
It’s such a shame to have William Hartnell episodes lost. From what I have seen of his portrayal of the Doctor I absolutely love him
He's my favourite Doctor, it is such a shame. Some of his best stories are missing too like Marco Polo, The Crusade, The Daleks Master Plan and the Massacre. Still at least we have most of the first two seasons.
The second doctor is a great doctor, kills me that more then half his eps are gone
He got roasted pretty good by Hartnell's Doctor in 3 Doctors
1st Doctor: So you're my replacements hmm, a dandy and a clown. Have you done anything yet?
2nd Doctor: Well uh we assessed the situation
1st Doctor: Just as I thought, you've done absolutely nothing.
Man i remember the first time i watched doctor WHO, many years later here i am
I remember hearing sone of this from blameitonjorge. Its interesting that some episodes lost or found. I'm glad that people find interest and found them. Not all of them, but they are getting there.
It's such a shame that it's lost
the reanimated Dr. Who episode look like it belong in Archer
"Do you want Daleks? Because this is how you get Daleks."
Dude, I never expected a Doctor Who episode from you, but I enjoyed it. Nice work, man! :)
It really sucks. Masterpieces lost and destroyed. Its really sad seeing great episodes like Daleks Master Plan and Marco Polo. Its sucks for young fans that wanna watch the classic 2nd and 1st doctor serials...
It’s so odd to realize that the Shada reconstructions came so late bc I distinctly remember roleplaying on forums with a friend who played as some of the characters around 2011-2014. That episode is still my favorite out of the whole series and Salyavin remains one of my favorite characters, love that old man.
"The Doctor Who episodes lost to time"
Reewi?
...and space
I've been seeing Doctor Who pop up quite a bit lately. Makes me feel like there is another wave of popularity on its way.
Not until BBC commit to wanting to make it popular sadly. Recent years they've been really limiting the advertisement budget it feels like.
i hope all the missing episodes of doctor who being recoved one day
i hope so too and i don't watch
Oh boi ima be the downer.
It is impossible to see ALL of them due to the reason that ep 7 of the Daleks master plan - the feast of Steven was 100% confirmed junked for all of its copies. :-/
Maybe one day we could see a few more tho! :-)
Another well-known lost episode from Hartnell's era is 'The Feast of Steven' which included a scene where the Doctor and his companions celebrated Christmas.
Didn't expect a Doctor Who video from you but I am pleasantly surprised.
This video is really really well done and as someone who's watched all of the old series INCLUDING the audio-with-stills episodes, I appreciate the work that was put in to explain everything. People always say to start with 4 if you want to watch the classic episodes, but honestly in my opinion, Jamie and Zoe were/still are the best companions that The Doc has ever had and they spanned from 2-3, 3 being my favourite Doctor overall. It's well worth starting earlier, and I'm so glad the fandom has pushed hard enough to not only find old episodes, but recreate things to fill in the gaps.
Never thought that you'd make a video on my favourite show!
The Macra Terror actually has really good animation.
I saw this and immediately had to click. I am a HUGE Doctor Who nerd, so many of the missing episodes have had to be from nothing by dedicated fans. Its insane how many episodes the BBC wiped.
I'm not a fan of doctor who, never saw an episode, but I do have a soft spot for the lost episodes because looking into Dr who on wikipedia one day had me fall down the lost media rabbit hole, and now I'm into lost media.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Doctor Who And The Scratchman.
scratchman isnt lost its a book and an audio
@@julieeverett7442 So is Shada, so is Season 23, so is Cartmel Masterplan.
The original version of what could've been is lost. The book is fantastic, but ultimately the next best thing compared to the movie actually happening.
@@vcom741 of course, it was a movie they thought of making but didnt follow through
This was fucking amazing, but he didn't talk about The Dark Dimension.
“The Cartmel Masterplan” sounds oddly similar to “The Timeless Child.” For better or worse, I’ll leave that up to everyone.
I don't think it was that bad. Cartmel was a competent writer and he might have been able to pull it off (although I doubt it) Chibnal is a talentless hack
@@Laurabeck329 Still both take away what made the Doctor so iconic and relatable. A normal person doing good making them special instead of being pre-destined to do so.
@@dragon_ninja_2186 Oh I agree. Doctor has to be just an average time lord who chose to break away from his race and start actually helping the universe and that's hpw he became the Doctor. If he was special from the start that kind of ruines everything, but it could have been handled better is what I'm saying
Chibnall straight up stole Cartmel's ideas.
@@adamwalkervfx No he didn't :/
Cartmell's ideas were finalized in the book Lungbarrow, and it's nothing like what Timeless Child twist ended up being (for instance, that revealed Time Lords were created in a cave rather than born, Doctor was implied to be a third major figure in Gallifreyan mythology alongside Rassilon and Omega)
Timeless Children completely puts the wait of time lord creation on Doctor's shoulders, having their own regeneration cycle implanted into the original people of Gallifrey
Cartmell has commented on Timeless Children. He hates the twist (believing Chibnall revealed too much compared to what he was doing) but in no way did he say he was ripped off.
I know it’s cliche but my favourite doctor is Tennant 🤣
Another fantastic video sir. Exactly like your normal content that I’ve enjoyed over the many years, but very very similar. Also you had me at Who.
this is your best vid since the twitch plays pokemon doc. feels really fresh. good job dude
You miss the biggest lost episode that took forever to come out. Film Theory Doctor Who Part 3
I always click so damn fast when I see you uploaded something new been a fan since the top 4 chan pranks and scary pokémon videos lol you’ve always been one of the greats you deserve so much more
It’s odd watching a video where you already know everything
probably the only thing to do now is to find the scripts and reanact the episodes
This was brilliant! I'm from the UK so Doctor Who's something I grew up on so this video was right up my street! Absolutely loved it!!
Man now I have to re watch the whole series thanks man
What about the legendary pirating in Chicago cutting off a Doctor Who ep from a guy wearing a Mitch Headroom mask? That's a whole nother story for GFM to talk about. It's been covered on YT by a few but would like to see you GFM with your take on the legendary pirating by Max Headroom, to this day that has still never been identified. Sounds like a case for GFM!
Max!
One episode at least has zero chance of returning, 'The feast of Steve' was never distributed and the BBC did wipe the tape.
Love this show, and this incident was always interesting to me
Don't know how much mileage you'd get out of it, but El Chavo is a similar case where there's also several lost episodes.
I don't even watch Doctor Who but this is neat
same
Highly recommended! If you can find the "NuWho" starting from the reboot in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston give it a watch its amazing, also look for the Fourth Doctors Tom Baker's series they are truly a slight to behold! 👽👌
@@ceasefireinc.9040 idk I might consider watching it
Same. I've never been interested in watching the series but I've always appreciated its fans passion for it. But I love lost media quests like this, so this video is a neat peak into another fandom.
@@LedosKell watch season 1, 3 and 4 of new Doctor who they're the best imo
i only watched the modern episodes from 2005 on up, but now that the classic episodes come on plutotv i watch them sometimes.
Just started watching your vids again, I am very glad you are consistant with your content, keep it up :)
There was a scrapped script for the Ninth Doctor in which he, Jack and Rose travel to Pompeii and its revealed that the doctor had chosen Rose as a sort of experiment to be the 'perfect companion'
A bit unsettling
good job, dude. love your videos in general, but would love to see more in the vein of this one.
I knew about this stuff because of Dad's Army, which suffered from the same problem as early Doctor Who, where some episodes were wiped to make room. They also completely reanimated some episodes that only had audio.
I'm glad so many episodes have been found, and since so many have been found so recently, it gives hope that more will be found! And this video tells so many amazing stories and facts I've never heard anywhere else! Good job!!! On another note, there will never be an actor so perfect as The Master as Roger Delgado. He was charming but sinister, suave but dangerous; no one will ever play him as well or as powerfully. May he rest in peace.
Great to see you Mars. Love your stuff
Glad that they've found some lost episodes over the decades
Didn't see this in my normal TH-cam feed like I should've, glad I found it anyway because it's actually great
Episode 7 of the Dalek masterplan will never be recovered as it was never tele-recorded for distribution. We need to give thanks to John Cura, who's telesnaps allow us to recreate missing episodes from the scenes.
Someone better rip that disk with Attack of the Graske so we can preserve it!!
I loved that as a kid
@@AaronBallvideos I watched it and it looks pretty fun!
@Finn [Redacted] Go for it!
i've had a look at my box set (same one as shown in the video) but can't find any mention of attack of the graske at all D:
@@lucas_i_think That’s odd. Could it be a re-release with Graske taken out?
This is hilarious to watch having known everything he's going to say
I was writing this comment throughout the video because of how long I thought it was gonna be, but then you mentioned the episode we almost had but couldn't due to Roger Delgado's untimely death, and I just gotta say, RIP one of the best Masters. 😔
I'm so happy to see a video like this. The whole infamous bit about the episodes missing because of the TV ideals at the time has always struck a cord for me, even if I'm not as interested in the show anymore.
I remember when they found the episodes for The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear in 2013. It's still *so* surreal for me, and I can't say why.
Also. Fuck Michael Grade. Love Colin Baker.
I remember hearing about these when I was a Dr. Who fan! My favorite lost Who footage is a short clip of The Beatles that can only be found in one of the episodes, with the rest (and a higher quality version) missing. I hope it's found someday! :D
The Chase is actually one of the stories that’s been fully recovered! I would recommend as it’s a fast paced, fun and silly run-around with the daleks!
BRO WHAT IS IT WITH DOCTOR WHO CONTENT APPEARING ALL OF A SUDDEN, LET'S GOOOOO
I wasn't expecting this, but you love to see it.
6:00 more like destroyed Archer episodes
Worth mentioning they used some of the Shada footage in the five doctors episode.
Amazing as usual
Jon Pertwee is likely the most interesting doctor, as he was transferred last second off of the battlecruiser HMS Hood when she and HMS Prince of Wales were given the orders to intercept the German battleship Bismarck and heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. If he had not been scheduled to begin officer’s training, we could have seen Ordinary Seaman Jon Pertwee be just another name on a list of over 1,418 men who lost their lives at sea when HMS Hood exploded after being hit by a 15 inch shell which detonated the 4 inch magazine.
Interesting I didn't know that at all
Well researched, it's not tapes that are missing but 16mm film. All episodes were transferred onto film as tape was so expensive in the 60's.
My favourite web series doing a video on my favourite TV show was definitely a nice thing to wake up to
Hah, bout time you did this.
I didn't know there was missing episodes
A fan of the classic series?
The doctor and the master being siblings would've made their romance real awkward
I am surprised you didn't the mention the episode that featured Jimmy Savile.
That's not an official episode, it was a special from his show. I'm glad it's missing.
It's not missing, anybody who has an older copy of The Two Doctors on DVD can watch it in the special features.
@@PieEater163 Oops, ur right, I forgot!!!
The BBC - "Both the B's stand for Braindead" ™
Wasn't expecting this
Well technically The Cartmel Masterplan has been fully realised now thanks to Chris Chibnall.
The Timeless Children revelation is nothing like the Cartmel masterplan. In fact Cartmel masterplan fans absolutely hate it.
@@PieEater163
It's more or less the same thing; make the Doctor space Jesus.
@@DaveMan1K ...that's not what the Cartmel masterplan was going for
@@PieEater163 Ironic, because it's essentially the same thing. It reveals the Doctor to be the origin of the Time Lords and introduces earlier unseen incarnations. I don't see how Chibnall's version is different...
@@-haclong2366 The idea is who the Doctor is and how it's framed changes.
Masterplan would've had Doctor as a third major figure who created time lords alongside Rassilon and Omega
Timeless Children puts the Doctor into a role where their biology was copied by original residents of Gallifrey.
Maybe painting by broad strokes it is similar, but the smallest analysis makes the two completely different.
Wow I am surprised you featured this .. thanks.
Hell yeah! I just watched the new doctor who episode and this is perfect timing ☺️
I used to be into Doctor Who so seeing this is amazing
Lolli and honey is probably the ultimate duo
10:05 unexpectedly? You’re supposed to expect car accidents?
I'm pretty sure I own that DVD with Attack of the Graske on it lol, I think i've played it like 20 times, but not for many years. Strange memories of a Whovian huh.
Just imagine someone has every doctor who episodes lost and found and once a year they watch all episodes nonstop
As someone who doesn't care at all about Dr. Who I must say I think it's interesting that such a popular show has so many lost episodes but it makes sense back then people didn't see the need to preserve media for future generations and it makes sense that popular long running franchises like Dr. Who would have lose media.
Hey love the vids!
Can u please do a what happened to screen junkies?
Another top notch video, gamer!
Both The Final Game and The Cartmel Masterplan sort of made their way into the modern series of Doctor Who. The Peter Capaldi (12th Doctor) era saw the introduction of Missy, the Master's female incarnation (played by Michelle Gomez), who was initially still up to her evil tricks. But unlike past incarnations, her actions weren't purely out of spite for the Doctor, rather she wanted to go back to being friends with him. This was further explored in Series 10 where Missy asks for a chance of redemption, to which the Doctor agrees to oversee. This came to a head in the Series 10 finale where she encounters a previous incarnation of hers (John Simm's Master) and she has to decide whether or not to stand with the Doctor in his final (for 12) hour or return to her evil ways. Though reluctant, she decides to stand with the Doctor at the last minute as she and the Master are some distance away from the Doctor and co., resulting in her stabbing the Master in hopes he'll regenerate into her. The Master, however, refuses to ever stand with the Doctor and kills Missy in such a way that she cannot regenerate. Her redemption was seen by no one aside from her own past life (who would forget it all happening anyway due to the effects of meeting your future self) and she died for nothing. An ironic yet fitting end to a character like The Master... who comes back 2 seasons later played by Sacha Dhawan so it don't matter.
Speaking of, this ties into The Timeless Child arc which, like the Cartmel Masterplan, revealed that the Doctor (now played by Jodie Whittaker) had previous lives before her first. Though as opposed to being a reincarnation of "The Other" specifically, but a continuation of a being known as The Timeless Child who fell through a portal from a mysterious world and was the first being on Gallifrey with the ability to regenerate, so her adoptive mother Tecteun preformed experiments on her to try and harness her regenerative abilities and shared this power with the Shobogans, creating the Time Lords. The Timeless Child had their memory wiped and was regressed to an infant (the 1st Doctor), but there were apparently Doctors who preceeded even the first, as seen with the Fugitive Doctor (played by Jo Martin) in Fugitive of the Judoon. Needless to say, this has been one of the most controversial revelation in Doctor Who since the 8th Doctor (Paul McGann) revealed he was half-human in the 1996 Doctor Who Movie.
The Timeless Child retconed everything about Doctor Who lore to the point where they may as well have just rebooted the series so they could start a fresh new timeline and make a whole new universe of stories to explore.
Man just imagine finding an episode in an attic in a house you just moved into
Two teenagers independently recorded all the audio of all the shows. Both went on to become professional audio engineers. Thus the sound is very high quality.
This has happened with a few T.V. shows from the BBC.
The Avangers got hit pretty badly in fact most of the 1st half of the Avangers is lost to time now
You missed an episode with the tenth doctor (David tennet) this episode was to have the doctor ending up in a haunted house and teaming up with the cast of most haunted (a group of people that go in search of ghosts and other paranormal activity around the uk) with the most haunted cast proving to the doctor that ghosts do exist. It would have aird live on tv but what we got instead was the episode midnight
Thanks! Im gonna get that dvd box set now to play attack of the grask
I heard that there was a one time Christmas episode that might be gone forever because BBC confirmed that no real tape was made
daleks master plan, the feast of steven ep7, yes
Yeah, the reason most episodes survive is because they were sold abroad. Each episode was recorded on videotape then copied to film to sell abroad. As far as I can tell, Feast was never copied because of its festive nature and the original tape was wiped shortly after to be reused.
Chris Chibnall single handedly ruined this show. Season 12 was an absolute disgrace to the the 50+ year history of Doctor Who. The BBC should be ashamed.
yeah. they really fucked up the whole legacy. Hopefully they retcon it all like Chibnall did with a lot of the previous lore.
Pfft, as if. Moffat's the one that messed it all up. Turned it from a fun serial to a stupid overarching storyline- zapped all the fun out of DW. I haven't watched since the 11th Dr, so I don't know how CC does it, but if you're looking for where the downfall began, it's defo with Moffat. Shame too, cuz Matt Smith was an excellent doctor.
@@hobihope2981 it began with Moffatt, yes, but a convoluted and mediocre couple of years, dotted with a few highlights, could have stayed just that. Instead we got a slight decline into the Chibnall era which then plummeted to rock bottom, destroying all past and future stories by completely rewriting the Doctor's origin in a spiteful, hateful way.
I stopped enjoying the show halfway through Capaldi, but I know even people who enjoyed Chibnall's first season who were furious with what he did the next.
@@hobihope2981 Dude Peter Capaldi's take on the Doctor redeemed Moffat …. but Chibnall on the other hand has pissed off every doctor who fan of both classic and new
You all are not wrong to hate what Chibnall has done to a TV show that for many (including myself) made our childhoods, the kindest thing the BBC can do now is cancel Doctor Who and continue putting out big finish audio stories, as at least they do more good then bad.
The reason the daleks were changed was because the BBC don’t own the design of the daleks
It's sad that as soon as I saw "FOX", I said "oh. that must've been terrible."😆😆😆
I mean it wasn't a great episode but there has been a lot worse before or since. I'm glad it didn't become a full series tbh as Big Finish have given Paul McGann far better stories than Fox ever would have.
there is one episode that is lost for certain: The Daleks Masterplan part 7: The Feast of Steven, as that one was never copied onto tape, and the mastertape was viped.
One thing I find interesting, is the change in opinion on lost episodes, (the audio of every episode is still existent), if they are recovered, sometimes is negative (the tomb of the Cybermen), sometimes positive (the Enemy of the World)
This is quite the departure from your usual content. I do encourage anyone who wants to go more in depth on this subject to check out Josh Snares series on the missing episodes.