I don’t believe one can be on this planet and NOT be manipulated by someone at some time in their lives NO MATTER HOW OUTSPOKEN you think you are. It’s these times where learning from the situation is paramount. Pain can be a prison or a school.
❤I’m glad you commented on Dee Dee’s statement. I found her portion intriguing and wanted to hear more. Dee Dee brought up a good point though that she experiences manipulation of Satan and I wish she would have had more time to get into her story. Manipulation of Satan is so real and the battle of the mind is such a real internal battle. So though she said she’s able to call out manipulation from others, I took that to mean from her perspective of her life, she feels she’s able to combat manipulation from others more readily and victoriously. Meaning they have tried to manipulate her but were not successful. Whereas with Satan’s manipulation she recalls moments he was able to get her to give in, doubt, sit down from worship, avoid her calling, or whatever through her thoughts. And like she referenced Eve with Satan, He manipulated Eve and got her to doubt God’s word. In that same way Dee Dee might have had some life giving testimony to shed light on how destructive that form of manipulation was played out in her life. And she been able to share her specific moment that his manipulations were successful that would have set more of us free. It also would have aided in the listeners to learn about the dark forces of the spirit world. Because after all the snares of the enemy is what we all are truly wrestling with - not so much flesh and blood but rulers, authorities, principalities, and evil in the heavenlies. So I think she was bringing forth a very powerful vantage point that differed from what the other ladies shared but needed more time to be fully unpacked for her story to be fully understood and given grace. Because she may have very well experienced manipulation from others but in that moment didn’t perceive it as such or couldn’t recall that being her particular moment of defeat with manipulation like the other ladies were able to give story to, but she did recall satan’s direct successful manipulative attacks. Blessings. ❤
God's correction is redemptive. And when it's from the devil, it is condemning instead. When we understand God's character, be spending time in his word and prayer, we will know if a rebuke is Godly or otherwise. In addition, we won't manipulate others.
I was 17yrs old & the level of manipulation I've experienced being under pastoral authority was sick. I loved God & I still do and bcz that leader saw that i did, it placed me in a vulnerable position. When i began to dig deeper into the word of God with the guidance and revelation of the Holy Spirit, i could differentiate between wht was God and what was not. I always encourage ppl to get into the word for themselves to get to know God's character especially bcz scriptures are taken out of context to fit whtever doctrinal agenda.
To anybody who's reading this, I pray that whatever is hurting you or whatever you are constantly stressing about gets better. May the dark thoughts, the overthinking, and the doubt exit your mind right now. May clarity replace confusion. May peace and calmness fill your life. Amen
I too, have had "Christian friends" speak negativity over me vs worldly ppl. It's a awful feeling. But God calls us to give them GRACE, FORGIVE THEM & if the Holy Spirit tells you, bring it to their attention IN LOVE so they can LEARN from it. ❤ Love these videos! Such GEMS!
People can be sincerely wrong! 💯 God said TEST THE SPIRIT for a reason. This entire thing smacks of 1 Kings 13. God will tell us where and how to walk and when someone speaks what goes against the will of God, that is a sign that they’re not operating under His spirit.
This brought more confirmation of spiritual manipulation. I grew up in a similar church culture and had to learn the hard way many years later what this issue was. Thank you sisters! Amen 🙏🏾
For that lady to say she’s not easily manipulated was totally unnecessary. Where’s the empathy and or compassion for the other ladies on the panel who shared their stories by being vulnerable. Like totally unnecessary- “I’m not easily manipulated” mam please
I actually think that there's absolutely nothing wrong about stating that one is not easily manipulated. It gives a certain type of hope to persons like me who is easily manipulated. I say this because I know that I have put myself in that space where I have been manipulated and I see that there certain thing I could do to stop that. Deedee Freeman is a testament of what I could be putting the right things in place
I think you've missed the point. In fact it would be manipulation for her to 'make herself small' just to fit into a narrative that is not true about her. Why should she keep quite bout the strength of character that God has blessed her with? That is her strength, and as such she is able to share with her sisters how she has escaped the pitfalls of manipulation. The Bible states Iron sharpens iron, she's iron in this area. Your comment feeds into the negative assertion that people should keep quiet if they have a different perspective, no she should shine and show her sisters how to shine also in the area of her strength. Would you have suggested Jesus should have also kept quite and dimmed his light? Think before you comment and criticise.
I understood her to say that she was manipulated, but not by people or the flesh or skin, but through the enemy (Satan). I think she was saying that sometimes when we have bold personalities people are less like to speak direct to us. She certainly did not say she was not manipulated by the enemy.
she was not talking about those ladies. she made a statement about herself and a statement we all needed to hear. the real question is why didn't you hear what she saying and automatically became defensive. I wish she had gotten a chance to say more on the subject. I raises the mental health problem in america. Many times i have to fight the enemy and say NOT TODAY SATAN because of all the internal doubt and anxiety i face each day. Bravo for this lady as she does not make herself small to satisfy what you think she should say
For people that are hard to Love 1. Pray that God wants them to be all that he wants them to be (To do what he has called them to do) 2. Pray that God will open their eyes and allow them to see the pain that they may have caused people 3. Pray that God will help them to get to the root of their problems (Pray for discernment) 4. Be ready to forgive them often Matthew 7:3 Ephesians 4:32 Some good stuff girl...he is talking to us because this is what we talked about...I didn't know how to Pray for my enemies but he has shown us how to do so...God is good...Thank you Jesus
"We live in a world that is broken by sin, and so no one's going to love us exactly the way we were designed to be loved - which is perfectly." -Lisa. Just one more place requiring the ample grace of God...🙏
People in the Church have a “way” of talking to single Christian ladies by pressing our buttons and making us doubt our walk with the Lord. And they are way too interested in how we manage our money as an example. I notice that they don’t do this to the married ladies.
Ms. Lisa, maybe God allowed those ignorant words that lady spoke to affect you the way it did so you could wait and get the precious little girl you have today. The number seven means completion. Also I had a lady in church to use the same verse on me to hurt me with negativity. That verse was talking about someone sharpening you with God's truth to help grow.
The lord sent his word for me right on time. It was confirmation that what someone was telling was not of God. She had approached in a spirit of argument and harshness. Jesus is kind and does not condemn. Also, what was said to me was untrue and not in line with the word of God. I was delivered and the lord confirmed to me many times what he has told me, yet this person who doesn't see all the details of my intimate walk with Christ had the audacity to make conclusions about me based on no evidence at all.
0:26: 😔 A woman shares her experience of feeling called to orphan care but being discouraged by a friend due to her past trauma. 3:16: 🙏 The speaker shares a personal story of being manipulated by someone using scripture out of context and discusses the importance of being aware of manipulation disguised as spirituality. 7:28: 💔 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and controlled by leaders in her church, including being criticized for her appearance and causing others to have eating disorders. 12:16: 🔑 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and feeling ashamed, but has found freedom and redemption in God. 15:13: ✨ The speaker discusses the difference between manipulation and serving, the importance of setting boundaries, and the need for therapy to heal from manipulative situations. 18:40: ❤ The importance of seeking wise counsel and Christian community for healing and growth. 23:18: 🙏 Prayer for women who have been hurt by the church and feel like they don't fit in. Recap by Tammy AI
Agree 110% of us are recovering from church abuse while many are still suffering and going through it, many God have mercy 🙌let us continue to pray 🙏🤲🛐 for each other as well as world 🌎.
Obedience to Christ, to the leading of The Holy Spirit & to Scripture, that's it. Not to anything or anyone that is against Christ, against Scripture, not to anyone that is prideful, arrogant, puffed up or haughty. I thank The Lord for pulling me out of a so called christian church (cult) & He showed me His Truth!
😭😭😭 I didn't realize how much I needed to hear this!!! I thought I was targeted 🎯 because of my brokenness. I felt the shame & rejection & separateness caused by others Words. Thank you ladies for touching that sore spot in my heart ❤ & soul & bringing the Light of God's Words to heal & fill those wounds with His Love & acceptance 🫶🏻
Wow, thank you for that Great Message and Prayer, Sisters. You know whether it's in the Church or anywhere else in this Broken World, We can only place our Trust in the One and Only Mighty God who is Able to bring Us out from the Hands of the Enemy, Amen! So I just want to thank Better Together every moment for allowing us, the listeners to hear these messages and know the Power of God to help Us to overcome the Enemy in our lives. Blessings to you, All❤
Wow! Thank you for posting this, TBN! I have certainly experienced manipulation, including the church. So I appreciate you doing a show about this, especially because women find themselves manipulated in the name of obedience
Lisa your testimony is healing many. I thank God for your ladies very authentic, truthful conversations. Shame has held many of us back from doing what God has assigned us to do, Keep sharing🙌🏾👐🏾 Sadly church has become big business to get right rather than teaching, preaching and upbuilding the body of Christ for being light in this world
After listening to and watching this episode, I needed my daughters to listen to and watch it as well because I think this is fundamentally true about what is going on in our Churches today.
thank you to the Holy Spirit, who just reminded me of a pastor telling me I shouldnt despise my humble beginnings this morning I realised that word was not from God and that was 10 years ago my God, thank you for making me realise it was munipulation and because he was my sheperd I pulled myself back from alot of things thanks you to the Holy Spirit for opening me up
I made myself so small to make some people feel big! Wish I knew God like I know Him now. Did everything so people can feel loved and appreciated but I weakened myself. I have Jesus now❤
I observe tens of thousands of people manipulated online by self-proclaimed prophetics who are dark empaths. They know exactly what to say to appeal to believers who hang on to their every word because it gives them hope, though false, unbeknownst to them. They make money with their books, courses and speaking in churches. So many who are being subjected to trials & tribulations turn to these wolves in sheep's clothing as a means of coping-- month after month, year after year, and decade after decade they do not see the so-called 'prophecies' come to pass in their own lives but they still don't question the person they follow or they forget the claims but keep seeking out that counterfeit comfort the soothsaying gives them in the moments they read the claims. What's even more disconcerting is when you see reputable Christian public leaders follow them on social media and wonder why these leaders who are supposedly spiritually mature do not discern the wolves.
Some women are intimated by others rising to their position in Christ. I have seen this now with a leader one of the things I was told is that my hair is distracting others and taking their eyes off of Jesus. It's only just becoming clear to me and this video has helped bring clarity xxxxx
My God my God I feel convicted down in my heart for Hurt people like my cousins and my sister and brother and let others manipulate me let them do. I still to this day need help to control my attitude and urges that to don't go to let lucifer and satan and the 😈 to manipulate in doing things I shouldn't have done. Sometimes I wonder if God has forgive me for my past sins.but he loves me. In the romans 5:8 says we were yet or still Christ died for us. Sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
Christian counseling was probably the best thing that ever happened to me, once I got brutally honest about where I was really at and stop sugar coating it. I’ve got more freedom in the last two years than I have the whole 15 years of my walk with the Lord. There was a lot of back and forth with me earlier on in my walk. I wasn’t really serious about it. Or I guess I was too busy trying to be a people pleaser than a God pleaser first. I tried to do all the things I could wherever I could but I never stuck with it, until I truly got the freedom I needed. Thats when I started to really get serious about giving up those things that I KNEW the Lord had said to give up and the give up those old friends who weren’t really for me. And God just removed them for me. I didn’t have to do much in that. I grieved a whole lot in that season tho. But I’m so thankful that God never gave up on me and He just kept pursuing me.
God led me here today, after a major conflict with someone, resulting in loss sleep and charged emotions all day. This came from God right on time so that I don't spend days workiing this out. I've been given direction, freedom, release as a result of this finished work. GLORY TO GOD!
So true I was just manipulated … I could discern this really fast.. my problem was not that I was manipulated but my problem was that I fiercely reacted and was very mean. Asking God for forgiveness..and apologized for my part of being mean.. but severed ties still. I pray for Gods forgiveness . I was mean..
0:40 this has brought me such healing and comfort. I would like to thank you ladies. May God continue to use you. Thank you also for your vulnerability in sharing your stories...really helps the word come alive. You're amazing Lisa🔥🔥such an assert
Sept 16, I will be spiritually 45 yrs old. The Lord called me immediately then 3 yrs later my pastor passed. Ever since it's been Jesus and me. I have felt like an 👾 👽 alien bcause I am VERY different in every way.. I was called to live by faith, was sent to Honduras for 11mo where I learned to totally depend on God. Six years ago my only son rebelled and we lost contact with ea other. I was hospitalized 3 days w a broken heart BUT GOD 2 wks ago found him and it shocked me to hear how highly my only son taught of me while all this time my family made me feel I was a monster and the enemy would torture me believing I had bn a bad mom. I was once weak but now I'm strong. When you know who u are and WHO'S you are, there's no devil in hell nor MANIPULATION that can stop you from what God has promised you. NOW I LOVE God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, my Best Friend. I'm saved, free, single and Happy in Christ Jesus💃💃💃👣😄❣️ THERE'S NO GOD LIKE MY GOD. Blessings to you all❤❤❤
Christian counseling can be good but so can secular counseling. You can also be manipulated by both. Follow the Holy Spirit and trust that your Heavenly Father will take care of you and get you where you need to be, when you need to be there❤
The Bible is clear to NOT take counsel from the ungodly. But it also says there is safety in the multitude of counselors (Biblical based only). Stay with how God says to do it. Modern day therapy leaves Christ out of everything & is based in Humanistic Psychology.
I think that the scripture you referred to is a safe place in itself. It helps you escape the preference of just one counselor who may just be projecting his/her insecurities on you. Having a number of counselor helps you to escape the bias of one broken or insecure person.
Wow, I so appreciate this! I just went through this and the manipulator talked about me and turned people at church against me -she even tried to turn my husband against me. She expresses nothing but "loving concern" for me publicly but in private she berated me. We left that church and were told we were not walking in love.
I understand, and the best thing is to leave that place for your peace of mind, and I did that too and i encourage Christians not to stay in a place where people just rob your peace of mind, its not worth it.
Kind of shook my heart when she told that by that woman of God. Cause I can understand how she felt. Sometimes I've felt like I'd never be right or do anything right. God Bless You All. I'm so glad i came upon this! It was not a chance find that's for sure.
This video sister Lisa harper shows me that I can be exposed for my past sins and my sins debt that has already paid for sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
God knew I needed this word. Thank you Deedee for your prayer. This is my experience right now, with Christians weaponizing scripture, but, there voice doesn't override what God has told me. Thank you sisters!
Christians need to listen to what they say because most sentences start with I think, it has better, and the only thing that comes out of your mouth is what God said you can catch yourself because if you don’t subconsciously start a sentence with God said that’s your first clue you’re not listening to God. Ego is the devil and for mental wellness. I have been a doctor for survivors of incest, which will be used in torture 25 years. Hundred percent for recovery for 100% of the people who came because although I have a genius level in Mensa Member certified IQ I ask God I don’t pay attention to what I think it’s not some thing that I put to my clients on the word God tells me to tell them , I talk to God 24 seven
This has helped me so much. I now feel empowered through Holy Spirit to step out and do what I have needed to do many many years ago but I was to broken and scared to do. I was listening to this on my way to church and then my pastor preached basically the same message, different circumstance but the very same. I thank God for devin direction!
Um I dress in colour cos the Lord created colour, we are modest AND when we dance we ask the Lord to cause us to be invisible so people see the anointing not us. Oh yes it hurts us to be manipulated.. Yes young women are not helped by older women, and men in churches do not understand the value of this, expecially if they did not respect their Moms! However I do agree with a hat expecially in different cultures and hot countries and remember we are made attractive and we do not want to tempt anyone looking attraactive not consecrated +
As for me I had to walk away from church even now I'm not comfortable with Church people. Like one of the pastor once said I'm a demonic and the spirit that speak to me are not of God... and some leaders started calling me names like uneducated thing I know nothing.. which made me see God as a God of the educated because they Will tell me keep quite let this guy who educated speak.. it made me not to want God because he is a God of some certain type of people. I moved from that church to another and there the pastor monitored me like no other. If I touch a chair he is there if u usher someone he is there and he will call that person and start casting some spirit's on her or him. If I help on something or hold someone he will bit my hands as sign of don't touch anything... As a person who was told I'm demonic I was so scared of church
I was in a catholic church once where a lady said to me, “oh you must be from a different church because of the way you are dressed.” … somehow that did not sound biblical to me.
I’ve only just found you, at first I thought you were alil forward in somethings, then I watched another video, oh wow I love you and the messages you bring, you are indeed awesome, PTL. From Suzi Melbourne Australia xx
All humans are Pulchritudinous "of humans only, having great beauty"; beauty is, behind and beyond, yet also, in and through, skin deep. A burn victim can be most Pulchritudinous as can you or you or you, as well.
❤ good afternoon po Lord Jesus name amen salamat po sa lahat ng mga biyayang binigay mo kahit maliit na bagay sapat lng pero hindi problima bastat mahalaga po kumakain kmi sa bawat araw para malakas at helthey sa bawat taon salamat po selfa aranel tagaya san vecente st bigaa purok4 brgy49 legaspi city bicol philippines always be my god
Ive learned that i have to be careful who to talk to because it will be used against you . .... Because of my spiritual issues ive been asked some terrible questions .... By the people ive confided in the most .
Men rules: I truly feel that were instituted because men were hard, weak in their hearts and had no temperance as it applies to women. They made the women jump through the hoops so they would not have discipline themselves.
Wow I was supposed to her this because the women in my family acted the same way with my older sister watching they believe ni lied about another family me I had me for a week and she is a Christian
if you reading this: God is making a way for you right now!
Amen
In Jesus name, Amen.
I don’t believe one can be on this planet and NOT be manipulated by someone at some time in their lives NO MATTER HOW OUTSPOKEN you think you are. It’s these times where learning from the situation is paramount. Pain can be a prison or a school.
Agree!
❤I’m glad you commented on Dee Dee’s statement. I found her portion intriguing and wanted to hear more. Dee Dee brought up a good point though that she experiences manipulation of Satan and I wish she would have had more time to get into her story. Manipulation of Satan is so real and the battle of the mind is such a real internal battle. So though she said she’s able to call out manipulation from others, I took that to mean from her perspective of her life, she feels she’s able to combat manipulation from others more readily and victoriously. Meaning they have tried to manipulate her but were not successful. Whereas with Satan’s manipulation she recalls moments he was able to get her to give in, doubt, sit down from worship, avoid her calling, or whatever through her thoughts. And like she referenced Eve with Satan, He manipulated Eve and got her to doubt God’s word. In that same way Dee Dee might have had some life giving testimony to shed light on how destructive that form of manipulation was played out in her life. And she been able to share her specific moment that his manipulations were successful that would have set more of us free. It also would have aided in the listeners to learn about the dark forces of the spirit world. Because after all the snares of the enemy is what we all are truly wrestling with - not so much flesh and blood but rulers, authorities, principalities, and evil in the heavenlies. So I think she was bringing forth a very powerful vantage point that differed from what the other ladies shared but needed more time to be fully unpacked for her story to be fully understood and given grace. Because she may have very well experienced manipulation from others but in that moment didn’t perceive it as such or couldn’t recall that being her particular moment of defeat with manipulation like the other ladies were able to give story to, but she did recall satan’s direct successful manipulative attacks. Blessings. ❤
@@jihanrachele.brooks1648 I appreciate this.
@@jihanrachele.brooks1648 yea, I wish she was allowed to complete her point. She was really getting into some insightful discussion
Try not to be judgmental but instead PRAY.
God's correction is redemptive. And when it's from the devil, it is condemning instead.
When we understand God's character, be spending time in his word and prayer, we will know if a rebuke is Godly or otherwise. In addition, we won't manipulate others.
There she is Lisa Harper inspiring people with God's word and beauty. I absolutely adore Lisa. Thank you ladies for the inspiration
I just wish those around her would be quiet and not try to talk over each other.
I was 17yrs old & the level of manipulation I've experienced being under pastoral authority was sick. I loved God & I still do and bcz that leader saw that i did, it placed me in a vulnerable position. When i began to dig deeper into the word of God with the guidance and revelation of the Holy Spirit, i could differentiate between wht was God and what was not.
I always encourage ppl to get into the word for themselves to get to know God's character especially bcz scriptures are taken out of context to fit whtever doctrinal agenda.
So true
To anybody who's reading this, I pray that whatever is hurting you or whatever you are constantly stressing about gets better. May the dark thoughts, the overthinking, and the doubt exit your mind right now. May clarity replace confusion. May peace and calmness fill your life. Amen
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AMEN ✨️❤️✝️🙏🏽✝️❤️✨️
Xshakom shalom brethren thx 4 the beautiful prayer ❤😢😮😊
Amen
Amen! I need this going through it in my marriage. Tomorrow evening God willing my husband and I will have a talk.
I too, have had "Christian friends" speak negativity over me vs worldly ppl. It's a awful feeling. But God calls us to give them GRACE, FORGIVE THEM & if the Holy Spirit tells you, bring it to their attention IN LOVE so they can LEARN from it. ❤ Love these videos! Such GEMS!
People can be sincerely wrong! 💯 God said TEST THE SPIRIT for a reason. This entire thing smacks of 1 Kings 13. God will tell us where and how to walk and when someone speaks what goes against the will of God, that is a sign that they’re not operating under His spirit.
Y’all this conversation is so powerful. Praise God this was recommended to me!
This brought more confirmation of spiritual manipulation. I grew up in a similar church culture and had to learn the hard way many years later what this issue was. Thank you sisters! Amen 🙏🏾
For that lady to say she’s not easily manipulated was totally unnecessary. Where’s the empathy and or compassion for the other ladies on the panel who shared their stories by being vulnerable. Like totally unnecessary- “I’m not easily manipulated” mam please
I actually think that there's absolutely nothing wrong about stating that one is not easily manipulated. It gives a certain type of hope to persons like me who is easily manipulated. I say this because I know that I have put myself in that space where I have been manipulated and I see that there certain thing I could do to stop that. Deedee Freeman is a testament of what I could be putting the right things in place
I think you've missed the point. In fact it would be manipulation for her to 'make herself small' just to fit into a narrative that is not true about her. Why should she keep quite bout the strength of character that God has blessed her with? That is her strength, and as such she is able to share with her sisters how she has escaped the pitfalls of manipulation. The Bible states Iron sharpens iron, she's iron in this area. Your comment feeds into the negative assertion that people should keep quiet if they have a different perspective, no she should shine and show her sisters how to shine also in the area of her strength. Would you have suggested Jesus should have also kept quite and dimmed his light? Think before you comment and criticise.
I understood her to say that she was manipulated, but not by people or the flesh or skin, but through the enemy (Satan). I think she was saying that sometimes when we have bold personalities people are less like to speak direct to us. She certainly did not say she was not manipulated by the enemy.
she was not talking about those ladies. she made a statement about herself and a statement we all needed to hear. the real question is why didn't you hear what she saying and automatically became defensive. I wish she had gotten a chance to say more on the subject. I raises the mental health problem in america. Many times i have to fight the enemy and say NOT TODAY SATAN because of all the internal doubt and anxiety i face each day. Bravo for this lady as she does not make herself small to satisfy what you think she should say
For people that are hard to Love
1. Pray that God wants them to be all that he wants them to be
(To do what he has called them to do)
2. Pray that God will open their eyes and allow them to see the pain that they may have caused people
3. Pray that God will help them to get to the root of their problems
(Pray for discernment)
4. Be ready to forgive them often
Matthew 7:3
Ephesians 4:32
Some good stuff girl...he is talking to us because this is what we talked about...I didn't know how to Pray for my enemies but he has shown us how to do so...God is good...Thank you Jesus
"We live in a world that is broken by sin, and so no one's going to love us exactly the way we were designed to be loved - which is perfectly." -Lisa. Just one more place requiring the ample grace of God...🙏
People in the Church have a “way” of talking to single Christian ladies by pressing our buttons and making us doubt our walk with the Lord. And they are way too interested in how we manage our money as an example. I notice that they don’t do this to the married ladies.
As per Robyn, people can be sincere but sincerely wrong!!! 💯 percent facts
Facts
Ms. Lisa, maybe God allowed those ignorant words that lady spoke to affect you the way it did so you could wait and get the precious little girl you have today. The number seven means completion. Also I had a lady in church to use the same verse on me to hurt me with negativity. That verse was talking about someone sharpening you with God's truth to help grow.
The lord sent his word for me right on time. It was confirmation that what someone was telling was not of God. She had approached in a spirit of argument and harshness. Jesus is kind and does not condemn. Also, what was said to me was untrue and not in line with the word of God. I was delivered and the lord confirmed to me many times what he has told me, yet this person who doesn't see all the details of my intimate walk with Christ had the audacity to make conclusions about me based on no evidence at all.
0:26: 😔 A woman shares her experience of feeling called to orphan care but being discouraged by a friend due to her past trauma.
3:16: 🙏 The speaker shares a personal story of being manipulated by someone using scripture out of context and discusses the importance of being aware of manipulation disguised as spirituality.
7:28: 💔 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and controlled by leaders in her church, including being criticized for her appearance and causing others to have eating disorders.
12:16: 🔑 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and feeling ashamed, but has found freedom and redemption in God.
15:13: ✨ The speaker discusses the difference between manipulation and serving, the importance of setting boundaries, and the need for therapy to heal from manipulative situations.
18:40: ❤ The importance of seeking wise counsel and Christian community for healing and growth.
23:18: 🙏 Prayer for women who have been hurt by the church and feel like they don't fit in.
Recap by Tammy AI
Agree 110% of us are recovering from church abuse while many are still suffering and going through it, many God have mercy 🙌let us continue to pray 🙏🤲🛐 for each other as well as world 🌎.
Obedience to Christ, to the leading of The Holy Spirit & to Scripture, that's it. Not to anything or anyone that is against Christ, against Scripture, not to anyone that is prideful, arrogant, puffed up or haughty. I thank The Lord for pulling me out of a so called christian church (cult) & He showed me His Truth!
This was an AMAZING fellowship! Thank you for sharing!
Lisa Harper is too REAL!!! Also, quite funny....
Timely topic and truth! Amazing ladies! Praise God for sharing your experience and thoughts 🙏
😭😭😭 I didn't realize how much I needed to hear this!!! I thought I was targeted 🎯 because of my brokenness. I felt the shame & rejection & separateness caused by others Words. Thank you ladies for touching that sore spot in my heart ❤ & soul & bringing the Light of God's Words to heal & fill those wounds with His Love & acceptance 🫶🏻
Wow, thank you for that Great Message and Prayer, Sisters. You know whether it's in the Church or anywhere else in this Broken World, We can only place our Trust in the One and Only Mighty God who is Able to bring Us out from the Hands of the Enemy, Amen! So I just want to thank Better Together every moment for allowing us, the listeners to hear these messages and know the Power of God to help Us to overcome the Enemy in our lives. Blessings to you, All❤
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Wow! Thank you for posting this, TBN! I have certainly experienced manipulation, including the church. So I appreciate you doing a show about this, especially because women find themselves manipulated in the name of obedience
Lisa your testimony is healing many. I thank God for your ladies very authentic, truthful conversations. Shame has held many of us back from doing what God has assigned us to do, Keep sharing🙌🏾👐🏾 Sadly church has become big business to get right rather than teaching, preaching and upbuilding the body of Christ for being light in this world
Amen.This was a powerful powerful session and I thank God for you ladies.God bless you abundantly
After listening to and watching this episode, I needed my daughters to listen to and watch it as well because I think this is fundamentally true about what is going on in our Churches today.
I agree, manipulation is real unfortunately
This is such a good conversation. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤❤
thank you to the Holy Spirit, who just reminded me of a pastor telling me I shouldnt despise my humble beginnings this morning I realised that word was not from God and that was 10 years ago my God, thank you for making me realise it was munipulation and because he was my sheperd I pulled myself back from alot of things thanks you to the Holy Spirit for opening me up
this shows that church can be quite unsafe, and we still need a spirit of discernment even in Church and more so
I made myself so small to make some people feel big! Wish I knew God like I know Him now. Did everything so people can feel loved and appreciated but I weakened myself. I have Jesus now❤
I observe tens of thousands of people manipulated online by self-proclaimed prophetics who are dark empaths. They know exactly what to say to appeal to believers who hang on to their every word because it gives them hope, though false, unbeknownst to them. They make money with their books, courses and speaking in churches. So many who are being subjected to trials & tribulations turn to these wolves in sheep's clothing as a means of coping-- month after month, year after year, and decade after decade they do not see the so-called 'prophecies' come to pass in their own lives but they still don't question the person they follow or they forget the claims but keep seeking out that counterfeit comfort the soothsaying gives them in the moments they read the claims. What's even more disconcerting is when you see reputable Christian public leaders follow them on social media and wonder why these leaders who are supposedly spiritually mature do not discern the wolves.
Amen🙏
Some women are intimated by others rising to their position in Christ. I have seen this now with a leader one of the things I was told is that my hair is distracting others and taking their eyes off of Jesus. It's only just becoming clear to me and this video has helped bring clarity xxxxx
No human is going to love us the way we deserve to be loved, which is perfectly.
So powerful and liberating. Blessings ladies ❤!
You’re praying for me. That’s exactly how I feel. 😢
Yes! Freedom from the words sent by the enemy to steal kill and destroy. No more satan. Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
My God my God I feel convicted down in my heart for Hurt people like my cousins and my sister and brother and let others manipulate me let them do. I still to this day need help to control my attitude and urges that to don't go to let lucifer and satan and the 😈 to manipulate in doing things I shouldn't have done. Sometimes I wonder if God has forgive me for my past sins.but he loves me. In the romans 5:8 says we were yet or still Christ died for us. Sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
Thank you! I so needed to hear this today.
Christian counseling was probably the best thing that ever happened to me, once I got brutally honest about where I was really at and stop sugar coating it. I’ve got more freedom in the last two years than I have the whole 15 years of my walk with the Lord. There was a lot of back and forth with me earlier on in my walk. I wasn’t really serious about it. Or I guess I was too busy trying to be a people pleaser than a God pleaser first. I tried to do all the things I could wherever I could but I never stuck with it, until I truly got the freedom I needed. Thats when I started to really get serious about giving up those things that I KNEW the Lord had said to give up and the give up those old friends who weren’t really for me. And God just removed them for me. I didn’t have to do much in that. I grieved a whole lot in that season tho. But I’m so thankful that God never gave up on me and He just kept pursuing me.
So powerful! Love love love this!
I was taught to let go of control & it reveals a persons real nature pray & meditate 💜💥
God led me here today, after a major conflict with someone, resulting in loss sleep and charged emotions all day. This came from God right on time so that I don't spend days workiing this out. I've been given direction, freedom, release as a result of this finished work. GLORY TO GOD!
So true I was just manipulated … I could discern this really fast.. my problem was not that I was manipulated but my problem was that I fiercely reacted and was very mean. Asking God for forgiveness..and apologized for my part of being mean.. but severed ties still. I pray for Gods forgiveness . I was mean..
Love this session! God bless you for this❤
0:40 this has brought me such healing and comfort. I would like to thank you ladies. May God continue to use you. Thank you also for your vulnerability in sharing your stories...really helps the word come alive. You're amazing Lisa🔥🔥such an assert
Sept 16, I will be spiritually 45 yrs old. The Lord called me immediately then 3 yrs later my pastor passed. Ever since it's been Jesus and me. I have felt like an 👾 👽 alien bcause I am VERY different in every way.. I was called to live by faith, was sent to Honduras for 11mo where I learned to totally depend on God. Six years ago my only son rebelled and we lost contact with ea other. I was hospitalized 3 days w a broken heart BUT GOD 2 wks ago found him and it shocked me to hear how highly my only son taught of me while all this time my family made me feel I was a monster and the enemy would torture me believing I had bn a bad mom. I was once weak but now I'm strong. When you know who u are and WHO'S you are, there's no devil in hell nor MANIPULATION that can stop you from what God has promised you. NOW I LOVE God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, my Best Friend. I'm saved, free, single and Happy in Christ Jesus💃💃💃👣😄❣️ THERE'S NO GOD LIKE MY GOD. Blessings to you all❤❤❤
Anything with Lisa Harper I immediately click! 🥰
Christian counseling can be good but so can secular counseling. You can also be manipulated by both. Follow the Holy Spirit and trust that your Heavenly Father will take care of you and get you where you need to be, when you need to be there❤
How dare she! Sometimes not everyone who says their Christian is NOT. Listen to Jesus
The Bible is clear to NOT take counsel from the ungodly. But it also says there is safety in the multitude of counselors (Biblical based only). Stay with how God says to do it. Modern day therapy leaves Christ out of everything & is based in Humanistic Psychology.
I think that the scripture you referred to is a safe place in itself. It helps you escape the preference of just one counselor who may just be projecting his/her insecurities on you. Having a number of counselor helps you to escape the bias of one broken or insecure person.
thank you for sharing- I was told something outrageous before and am encouraged by this word!!!!!!
wow!!!!! that's right Jesus doesn't use shame as a motivational tool
This was a really good message. Thank you ladies!
Wow, I so appreciate this! I just went through this and the manipulator talked about me and turned people at church against me -she even tried to turn my husband against me. She expresses nothing but "loving concern" for me publicly but in private she berated me. We left that church and were told we were not walking in love.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. But God had a ram in the bush for you ❤
@@charnaemorrison2188 TY, I so appreciate your understanding and encouragement
I understand, and the best thing is to leave that place for your peace of mind, and I did that too and i encourage Christians not to stay in a place where people just rob your peace of mind, its not worth it.
Wow that is hurtful so glad for Gods love to help you..
Wow - thanks for posting this - thank you!
Kind of shook my heart when she told that by that woman of God. Cause I can understand how she felt. Sometimes I've felt like I'd never be right or do anything right. God Bless You All. I'm so glad i came upon this! It was not a chance find that's for sure.
IN JESUS NAME AMEN AMEN AND AMEN AMEN HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH ✝️🙌🕊💯♥️
Very important episode.
This video sister Lisa harper shows me that I can be exposed for my past sins and my sins debt that has already paid for sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
PRAISE❤❤❤
God knew I needed this word. Thank you Deedee for your prayer. This is my experience right now, with Christians weaponizing scripture, but, there voice doesn't override what God has told me. Thank you sisters!
Thank you for everything I am a better person because of listening to you.
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Christians need to listen to what they say because most sentences start with I think, it has better, and the only thing that comes out of your mouth is what God said you can catch yourself because if you don’t subconsciously start a sentence with God said that’s your first clue you’re not listening to God. Ego is the devil and for mental wellness. I have been a doctor for survivors of incest, which will be used in torture 25 years. Hundred percent for recovery for 100% of the people who came because although I have a genius level in Mensa Member certified IQ I ask God I don’t pay attention to what I think it’s not some thing that I put to my clients on the word God tells me to tell them , I talk to God 24 seven
This has helped me so much. I now feel empowered through Holy Spirit to step out and do what I have needed to do many many years ago but I was to broken and scared to do. I was listening to this on my way to church and then my pastor preached basically the same message, different circumstance but the very same. I thank God for devin direction!
Um I dress in colour cos the Lord created colour, we are modest AND when we dance we ask the Lord to cause us to be invisible so people see the anointing not us. Oh yes it hurts us to be manipulated.. Yes young women are not helped by older women, and men in churches do not understand the value of this, expecially if they did not respect their Moms! However I do agree with a hat expecially in different cultures and hot countries and remember we are made attractive and we do not want to tempt anyone looking attraactive not consecrated +
but I am small, yet big in GOD, being tbi I can not vocalize my thought, and I pray I am able to, through Jesus
amen
pray for me
As for me I had to walk away from church even now I'm not comfortable with Church people. Like one of the pastor once said I'm a demonic and the spirit that speak to me are not of God... and some leaders started calling me names like uneducated thing I know nothing.. which made me see God as a God of the educated because they Will tell me keep quite let this guy who educated speak.. it made me not to want God because he is a God of some certain type of people. I moved from that church to another and there the pastor monitored me like no other. If I touch a chair he is there if u usher someone he is there and he will call that person and start casting some spirit's on her or him. If I help on something or hold someone he will bit my hands as sign of don't touch anything... As a person who was told I'm demonic I was so scared of church
I was in a catholic church once where a lady said to me, “oh you must be from a different church because of the way you are dressed.” … somehow that did not sound biblical to me.
How To Discern MANipulation? Answer: TRUMP
There needs to be more topics on this subject.
I have never lived in so far in all my life to go to church it's supposed to be a place of refuge but it's not
DeeDee so DC love you so much your voice remindse of home
I love her so much
May jesus christ protect his church from spiritual abuse in any form.
The person who told her to step down, was the one who was struggling and was fearful herself!
Thank you Jesus 🙏 Amen
Is Lisa Harper now a pastor? I thought she was a ladies Bible teacher!
I’ve only just found you, at first I thought you were alil forward in somethings, then I watched another video, oh wow I love you and the messages you bring, you are indeed awesome, PTL. From Suzi Melbourne Australia xx
All humans are Pulchritudinous "of humans only, having great beauty"; beauty is, behind and beyond, yet also, in and through, skin deep. A burn victim can be most Pulchritudinous as can you or you or you, as well.
Powerful! Those stories lifted me up.
3:05 oh no no no…. That friend was projecting hardcore.
I've been struggling with the same questions I'm really misunderstand and not accepted bu many churches because I've suffered abuse most of my life
"Please don't SHOULD on me"
That's what I L E A R N E D to say to others...
"and to Honor THE LORD-
I will not SHOULD on you❣"
❤ good afternoon po Lord Jesus name amen salamat po sa lahat ng mga biyayang binigay mo kahit maliit na bagay sapat lng pero hindi problima bastat mahalaga po kumakain kmi sa bawat araw para malakas at helthey sa bawat taon salamat po selfa aranel tagaya san vecente st bigaa purok4 brgy49 legaspi city bicol philippines always be my god
Amen!
Where does it say in scripture that we woman are all pastors?? 🤔
🤍Yes & Amen🕊
Lisa thank you for your message… I know what It is like to have been affected by this. Taking a minute to check in with HS amidst the‘voices’.
Ive learned that i have to be careful who to talk to because it will be used against you . .... Because of my spiritual issues ive been asked some terrible questions .... By the people ive confided in the most .
EVERYONE HERE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!!! IF THEY DID THEY WOULD KNOW GOD'S MESSENGER IS HERE???
Men rules: I truly feel that were instituted because men were hard, weak in their hearts and had no temperance as it applies to women. They made the women jump through the hoops so they would not have discipline themselves.
How can I watch all of this thank you . I need more help
Wow I was supposed to her this because the women in my family acted the same way with my older sister watching they believe ni lied about another family me I had me for a week and she is a Christian
Pastor DeeDee so kindly said - people know better than to TRY her with the manipulation :)
God can heal all of our brokenness!
thank you Lord that I am learning ❤❤❤ your prayer Set a new seed in my heart. amen. thank you Jesus, holy spirit
God I trust you to change my situation please
Power without purpose is tools for manipulation!