Don't consider this as a rant. I am just wondering and I do have my trouble to understand why the Model X should be faster then the Q6. The Q6 did have a lower consumption and it did charge faster. The battery pack size is about the same. I watched the Q6 video again and it seems that you did charge to higher SOC with the Q6. At least once you charged until 79%. I did not see that with the Tesla. At about 50% the charging speed of the Q6 was faster, it did ramp up faster and the max charging speed was faster. So I assume that the Q6 must have been faster with a comparable charging strategy. Despite that I would not care if a car is 10min faster or not within a 10h drive. Both cars a great for shure. I would prefere the ID7 anyway because it is more efficent and cheaper. I do love the 1000km challenge by the way. 👍
Frankly, I also do not understand at all how he manages to drive that fast with NMC based Teslas (3, Y). They are SO annoying to charge as the peak power lasts just seconds and they taper very rapidly all the way to the rock bottom. This has to be some extreme optimization and the chargers calculated to be at the exact right spots which doesn't really correspond to the real life usage.
I don't think that what you write is entirely correct. The Tesla charged faster. For example, at 36% SoC the Q6 reached 205kW while the Tesla was at 240kW. This is a significant difference. For the Tesla you can see that in this video at 25:43. For the Q6 you can see this in Bjørn's Geilo trip video at 19:05.
Doesnt Q6 need 800v chargers to get optimal speed. Therefore the need to charge longer sometimes in the Q6 or any other 800v car to get to the next 800v charger?
@@KoalaBandit223 In the Geilo trip is the battery coldgating. The Battery temperature is at only 13°C and at lower SOC the battery is even slower. This is not the case for the 1000km challenge. The charging speed of the Q6 is faster at any relevant SOC. If you compare the charging curves you can see that. Previously I put here links to the curves but my comment got deleted. So I can't refer to those. Both cars are fast but if I did count correct the Tesla had one stop more and the better charging windows. So I stay by my comment that with the given consumptions the Tesla couldn't be the faster car. But to be fair, the Tesla had worse driving conditions and a better estimation of the SOC at the destination helps to use the battery better.
I noticed with my 2023 Tesla Model Y with the Panasonic batteries best arrival charge level is 10% and then it hits 250KW on plug in, anything lower and it takes time to ramp up to 250KW.
Well done, it truly takes strength to drive for 10 hours straight, without a break. And you do this nearly every week, sometimes even more frequently, plus all the video editing and everything else you do. On top of that, we’ve found out you also look after the children (since you couldn’t travel because you didn’t have a babysitter). In fact, you usually set off at 9-10pm, once the kids are asleep, and return by 7-8am, before they wake up. :) It will be better you could make it without the stau. You left your home at 9:30 pm, reached the 1000km mark at 7:35 am - that's 10 hours and 5 minutes. If we account for losing 45 minutes in traffic, we end up with 9 hours and 20 minutes. Tesla's holding up well, although that’s expected given their efficiency (even though it used over 30 kWh per 100 km for most of the journey).
That's literally mine (also blue)... had an X90D of 2017 before and gained a lot of time by charging so much faster and having tons of more range now. Was fortunate to transfer both unlimited supercharging as well as FSD over to it. 🤓
@bjornnyland Almost all the V3 chargers have too weak cable cooling thats why they get too hot very fast ... even before min battery reaches >45°C and so they often dont get to full 600+ Amps... !! --> When u switch to a former idle stall while min battery is >45°C .... you have best chances for getting full AMPS....
Would be interesting to see how longer stops influence overall time. Each stop is not only charge time, but also the time you need to get off highway, get to charger, plug in/plug off etc. First stop in this test had ~5min added to the ~13min charge - meaning approx charge speed was in fact ~130kW while you unplugged at 165kW - which seems to soon and to far from real world scenario where you'd typically aim to charge to ~70%
BTW, I agree the Tesla Voice commands are wonky, like the wonky wipers. But, given how good Elon's X GROK AI is getting.. imagine it in the future if we get it in Tesla. I asked GROK AI. This was its reply, "Tesla has been working on enhancing voice command functionalities within its vehicles. While currently focused on navigation and entertainment controls, there's potential for broader AI integration for conversational purposes. Given Elon Musk's interest in AI, integrating a conversational AI into Tesla's vehicles could be on the horizon, potentially allowing you to chat with me while driving." I think GROK AI will come to Teslas one day. Voice commands should become way better. Alien technology!
Several times i've been at tesla chargers, and one side of the charging stations, we get 60 kw charging, then we switch to other side and get 150+. If you get very low speed, always try to switch stall if possible
I have experienced it many times too. Most commonly, you have to share available power with other cars. There could be overheating issues in the stalls as well.
27:00 hahahahahaha this is comedic gold. And exactly how i would expect it to go with the old teslas with poor microphones. I did something similar with voice commands, both danish and english in a model 3 highland, it worked muuuch much better that this.
Thanks Bjorn. X is pricey and needs better seats that Tesla might switch to hopefully. X is better for its interior room and rear access. Model Y is a better value for sure.
10:33 I got a Model Y SR (LFP) living in the Netherlands. Went to the south of Belgium with 39% SOC arrive. Tesla Navi: Go to France, 35km south to charge. Total trip home: 6.15 hours ABRP: 25km north to home, Ionity, total trip; 3.00 hours So I think Tesla’s Navi is better when there are enough Superchargers like in your 1000km road to Sweden and back. But it’s great in general :). Love your video’s man!
Have you calculated how much battery autopilot is using, probably even higher with FSD? I've noticed a visible increase in consumption while using autopilot versus when its not used, but it may also be just some subjective environment that influenced it when I drive.
No power difference. The FSD computer is constantly running in shadow mode iregardless of the driver having Autopilot or FSD active. Power usage is between 40-160 watts depending on make and model. In europe, we use HW3, lookup the data on power usage for this model.
People often have these misconceptions about energy consumption of auxiliary systems in EV's, I've read the same things about people being concerned about installing aftermarket audio systems for example. A rough guideline that might help you better understand what are the main contributors to consumption is to think whether the system uses high voltage or low voltage. High voltage components like the motors and AC use WAY more energy than any low voltage component ever will, so the efficiency of those high voltage components is way more important
Very rough math, say it uses 100W of power; thats 0.1kwh, over a 10h drive thats 1kwh. Its absolutely insignificant, especially compared to, say, climate (1.5 to 2kwh average - 15 to 20kwh over the whole drive)
I think the problem with the Tesla Model X is the price. It is way too expensive. The reason the Model Y is so popular is because it has the greatest value for money in the entire mid size suv market, perhaps even the greatest price/performance ratio of all new vehicles in the world. The Tesla Model X in comparison is definitely not great value for money in its segment. The Model X should be around 30% cheaper for me to even consider it, otherwise i'd just look at the other ones you mentioned.
Is the Model Y actually mid-sized? It hs a smaller cargo area than the Q6, despite Tesla's ridiculous claims. And how has it the greatest price/performance ratio of any car. I can get a Skoda Kodiaq for 10k cheaper that has more range and much more cargo space?
@@speedismyfriendThe Tesla Model Y is the world's best selling car for a reason, it absolutely is good value for the money. And the load- and interior space is massive, as anyone who's been in one will tell you. I also don't understand what you mean with "mid-sized"? The Model Y is a large car, and the Q6 even more so, though the Y utilizes the space much better.
IMO, lowering the price for the Model X will bring it too close to the Model Y. Better to improve the interior to compete with similar price SUVs, and restore the UI and power door features to at least the level the older Model X Raven had.
We use the same chair and it is great. How do you manage the kids clutter in the back? One of the things that is keeping me from buying the model x is the lack of storage compartments. The volvo ex90 is a lot better in that regard.
I absolutely loved our old 2017 Model X.. but with todays prices on them, it is just not worth it. Went for a Model Y Performance instead, less faults as well..
My experience with most teslas is, that they implemented this stupid 12 % thing, where it suddenly releases all charging capabilities, I think the OG model 3 times, where you could go 250 kw from 1 % are over (sadly) :D
Holy the voice commands are so bad and frustrating in Tesla, so much that I only occasionally use the "navigate to work/home" and that's all. Completely useless.
Fastest SUV is the Nio. But there is no battery swapping in UK so I dont care. There is also no model X in UK so the Q6 is still champion SUV for Brits.
aaa voice commands . i see its not only NIO that dosnt understand. only car that i have had that was good on voice commands was polstar. but i guess google understands more then others.
@@stigronnysuleskard5299 Come to continental Europe and you can count them on a few hands. And in some countries none at all. It is simply not a generally existing concept (yet).
@@stigronnysuleskard5299 well, since the 1000km challenge is about now and not the future, I just think that using the swap stations for comparison is just not right. So far, one can only compare cars using the existing charger network. 🤷♂️ Otherwise , I could also say wait till we have the 1000km battery or the Tesla roadster 😂
As you said it's a great car but definetly not the best SUV in the market for that price. And when the refresh model Y comes to market it will be the better price/performance car if you want a Tesla SUV.
I just couldn't bring myself to spend this much money on a car that looks so bad with such a plain interior. In the current market, Teslas work best when they are "cheap".
"Tesla aspire à créer un modèle économique et industriel centré sur la durabilité, visant à transformer non seulement l’industrie automobile, mais aussi l’énergie et les infrastructures mondiales pour un avenir plus vert. " les Model Y et 3 et les dérivés économique et de segment accessible à 25 000€, le prix moyens des voiture vendues est 38760€, donc les modelés à 100k€ ...
@@Bimmer_i4_M50so in your mind you can have any opinion, and any dissenting point of view can be dismissed as being from "fanboys". Guess that's your fool-proof way of staying in your own bubble.
Don't consider this as a rant. I am just wondering and I do have my trouble to understand why the Model X should be faster then the Q6. The Q6 did have a lower consumption and it did charge faster. The battery pack size is about the same. I watched the Q6 video again and it seems that you did charge to higher SOC with the Q6. At least once you charged until 79%. I did not see that with the Tesla. At about 50% the charging speed of the Q6 was faster, it did ramp up faster and the max charging speed was faster. So I assume that the Q6 must have been faster with a comparable charging strategy.
Despite that I would not care if a car is 10min faster or not within a 10h drive. Both cars a great for shure. I would prefere the ID7 anyway because it is more efficent and cheaper.
I do love the 1000km challenge by the way.
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Frankly, I also do not understand at all how he manages to drive that fast with NMC based Teslas (3, Y). They are SO annoying to charge as the peak power lasts just seconds and they taper very rapidly all the way to the rock bottom. This has to be some extreme optimization and the chargers calculated to be at the exact right spots which doesn't really correspond to the real life usage.
I don't think that what you write is entirely correct. The Tesla charged faster. For example, at 36% SoC the Q6 reached 205kW while the Tesla was at 240kW. This is a significant difference. For the Tesla you can see that in this video at 25:43. For the Q6 you can see this in Bjørn's Geilo trip video at 19:05.
Doesnt Q6 need 800v chargers to get optimal speed. Therefore the need to charge longer sometimes in the Q6 or any other 800v car to get to the next 800v charger?
@@KoalaBandit223 In the Geilo trip is the battery coldgating. The Battery temperature is at only 13°C and at lower SOC the battery is even slower. This is not the case for the 1000km challenge.
The charging speed of the Q6 is faster at any relevant SOC. If you compare the charging curves you can see that. Previously I put here links to the curves but my comment got deleted. So I can't refer to those.
Both cars are fast but if I did count correct the Tesla had one stop more and the better charging windows. So I stay by my comment that with the given consumptions the Tesla couldn't be the faster car.
But to be fair, the Tesla had worse driving conditions and a better estimation of the SOC at the destination helps to use the battery better.
@@SilldroMost new chargers are 800V, but most new chargers do not support the 600A Tesla needs for max speed.
I noticed with my 2023 Tesla Model Y with the Panasonic batteries best arrival charge level is 10% and then it hits 250KW on plug in, anything lower and it takes time to ramp up to 250KW.
Yes. the peek power appears at 10% so if you go too deep there is ramp up until it get over 10%
Bjorn your honesty is always appreciated.
I find it so funny how you weave in German words 😂. Greetings from Hamburg!
Well done, it truly takes strength to drive for 10 hours straight, without a break. And you do this nearly every week, sometimes even more frequently, plus all the video editing and everything else you do. On top of that, we’ve found out you also look after the children (since you couldn’t travel because you didn’t have a babysitter). In fact, you usually set off at 9-10pm, once the kids are asleep, and return by 7-8am, before they wake up. :) It will be better you could make it without the stau. You left your home at 9:30 pm, reached the 1000km mark at 7:35 am - that's 10 hours and 5 minutes. If we account for losing 45 minutes in traffic, we end up with 9 hours and 20 minutes. Tesla's holding up well, although that’s expected given their efficiency (even though it used over 30 kWh per 100 km for most of the journey).
That's literally mine (also blue)... had an X90D of 2017 before and gained a lot of time by charging so much faster and having tons of more range now. Was fortunate to transfer both unlimited supercharging as well as FSD over to it. 🤓
How did you transfer both FSD and unlimited SuC to the new one?
@@jsjs6751 By filling out a contract form with Tesla (Germany)... That was a special thing only valid until March 31st as far as I know.
@bjornnyland Almost all the V3 chargers have too weak cable cooling thats why they get too hot very fast ... even before min battery reaches >45°C and so they often dont get to full 600+ Amps... !! --> When u switch to a former idle stall while min battery is >45°C .... you have best chances for getting full AMPS....
Would be interesting to see how longer stops influence overall time. Each stop is not only charge time, but also the time you need to get off highway, get to charger, plug in/plug off etc. First stop in this test had ~5min added to the ~13min charge - meaning approx charge speed was in fact ~130kW while you unplugged at 165kW - which seems to soon and to far from real world scenario where you'd typically aim to charge to ~70%
BTW, I agree the Tesla Voice commands are wonky, like the wonky wipers. But, given how good Elon's X GROK AI is getting.. imagine it in the future if we get it in Tesla. I asked GROK AI. This was its reply,
"Tesla has been working on enhancing voice command functionalities within its vehicles. While currently focused on navigation and entertainment controls, there's potential for broader AI integration for conversational purposes. Given Elon Musk's interest in AI, integrating a conversational AI into Tesla's vehicles could be on the horizon, potentially allowing you to chat with me while driving."
I think GROK AI will come to Teslas one day. Voice commands should become way better. Alien technology!
Several times i've been at tesla chargers, and one side of the charging stations, we get 60 kw charging, then we switch to other side and get 150+. If you get very low speed, always try to switch stall if possible
I have experienced it many times too. Most commonly, you have to share available power with other cars. There could be overheating issues in the stalls as well.
Glad to see you made it onto my videos today.
You said 'OK Google, order sexy buttons for Tesla', and my Google Home picked it. 😁
27:00 hahahahahaha this is comedic gold. And exactly how i would expect it to go with the old teslas with poor microphones.
I did something similar with voice commands, both danish and english in a model 3 highland, it worked muuuch much better that this.
"Old Tesla"? This is the Model X you receive if you order it today.
@@Danne89 You are assuming i didnt watch the video, bad take.
Yeah same, my M3H is pretty good at voice commands (in french), much better than what we saw in this video
Voice commands in my old MS sucks, too.
I have wondered if it is due to bad microphone placement because if I speak louder, it tends to work better.
@@jsjs6751 Definitely the microphone - i find the voice commands worked much better when stationary in the loaner S ive had.
I got number 1000 thumb up 🎉
Though another nice car I can't afford, yet 😂
I might be wrong, but isn't ionity limited in Amperage (500A)? Which is why Model X did not get 250kW. Only Superchargers can do that.
I never claimed that it can get 250 kW on Ionity. I was talking about 215 kW.
@@bjornnylandMaybe time to weave in some Nio Power for high amperage supplemental charging?
Thanks Bjorn. X is pricey and needs better seats that Tesla might switch to hopefully. X is better for its interior room and rear access. Model Y is a better value for sure.
10:33 I got a Model Y SR (LFP) living in the Netherlands. Went to the south of Belgium with 39% SOC arrive.
Tesla Navi: Go to France, 35km south to charge. Total trip home: 6.15 hours
ABRP: 25km north to home, Ionity, total trip; 3.00 hours
So I think Tesla’s Navi is better when there are enough Superchargers like in your 1000km road to Sweden and back. But it’s great in general :).
Love your video’s man!
for that price I'd choose an EX90 instead
Great video, thank you for sharing
That’s a real shame. I’ve seen many times this problem, car claiming bad vision but keeping wipers off !! 🤦♂️
Have you calculated how much battery autopilot is using, probably even higher with FSD? I've noticed a visible increase in consumption while using autopilot versus when its not used, but it may also be just some subjective environment that influenced it when I drive.
No power difference. The FSD computer is constantly running in shadow mode iregardless of the driver having Autopilot or FSD active. Power usage is between 40-160 watts depending on make and model. In europe, we use HW3, lookup the data on power usage for this model.
When i use AP it uses less energy.
People often have these misconceptions about energy consumption of auxiliary systems in EV's, I've read the same things about people being concerned about installing aftermarket audio systems for example. A rough guideline that might help you better understand what are the main contributors to consumption is to think whether the system uses high voltage or low voltage. High voltage components like the motors and AC use WAY more energy than any low voltage component ever will, so the efficiency of those high voltage components is way more important
Very rough math, say it uses 100W of power; thats 0.1kwh, over a 10h drive thats 1kwh. Its absolutely insignificant, especially compared to, say, climate (1.5 to 2kwh average - 15 to 20kwh over the whole drive)
@@Tomzuki.At highway speeds the driving motor takes like 20kW. No way some small computer would use more than 500W...
to know where your Tesla is made just check the first letter from the right in this case it is the letter F for freemont .
Nice music in your video ;)
When will you review the Kia EV3?
I think the problem with the Tesla Model X is the price. It is way too expensive. The reason the Model Y is so popular is because it has the greatest value for money in the entire mid size suv market, perhaps even the greatest price/performance ratio of all new vehicles in the world. The Tesla Model X in comparison is definitely not great value for money in its segment. The Model X should be around 30% cheaper for me to even consider it, otherwise i'd just look at the other ones you mentioned.
Is the Model Y actually mid-sized? It hs a smaller cargo area than the Q6, despite Tesla's ridiculous claims. And how has it the greatest price/performance ratio of any car. I can get a Skoda Kodiaq for 10k cheaper that has more range and much more cargo space?
@@speedismyfriendThe Tesla Model Y is the world's best selling car for a reason, it absolutely is good value for the money. And the load- and interior space is massive, as anyone who's been in one will tell you.
I also don't understand what you mean with "mid-sized"? The Model Y is a large car, and the Q6 even more so, though the Y utilizes the space much better.
IMO, lowering the price for the Model X will bring it too close to the Model Y. Better to improve the interior to compete with similar price SUVs, and restore the UI and power door features to at least the level the older Model X Raven had.
We use the same chair and it is great. How do you manage the kids clutter in the back? One of the things that is keeping me from buying the model x is the lack of storage compartments. The volvo ex90 is a lot better in that regard.
19:24 it is from us
I absolutely loved our old 2017 Model X.. but with todays prices on them, it is just not worth it. Went for a Model Y Performance instead, less faults as well..
“Tesla has the best software.” The voice control is the worst I have ever seen.
I think you'll find it's the accent..
@@TechnoMonkeyFarm I've got two Scots in a voice commanded elevator for you to watch.
Thanks alot for this new challenge. Is there a reason why there is no livestream at the last time?
Buggy Streamlabs
My experience with most teslas is, that they implemented this stupid 12 % thing, where it suddenly releases all charging capabilities, I think the OG model 3 times, where you could go 250 kw from 1 % are over (sadly) :D
Holy the voice commands are so bad and frustrating in Tesla, so much that I only occasionally use the "navigate to work/home" and that's all. Completely useless.
Fastest SUV is the Nio. But there is no battery swapping in UK so I dont care.
There is also no model X in UK so the Q6 is still champion SUV for Brits.
kind of get the feeling Tesla does not care anymore about the X. And it’s a shame.
Needs a big update to compete
Hi Bjorn! Would it be possible to try this 1000km challenge with ICE as comparison? I would be thrilled to see this :) thanks from Czech Republic :)
Already done.
I was wondering:
How much does turning off the cabin heater warm up the batteries when driving at motorway speeds?
8:40 the music is overcooked
aaa voice commands . i see its not only NIO that dosnt understand. only car that i have had that was good on voice commands was polstar. but i guess google understands more then others.
Who made this fantastic proposition to use voice command by Bjorn who is Thai and He skeaks english/german/thai at the same time?! :D
Optimus Prime! Do you miss owning a model X? Why did you sell it and why didn’t you buy another model X?
He didn't need it anymore. It was mainly used for Nimber tasks (a community delivery service), which he quit doing in 2018.
well with Nio swapping: it is not really an option that is available enough to substitute CCS charging outside certain countries
I live in Bergen. Swap at Gol, or Stavanger takes me to either Oslo (and back), or Kristiansand (and back) faster than anything else
@@stigronnysuleskard5299 Come to continental Europe and you can count them on a few hands. And in some countries none at all. It is simply not a generally existing concept (yet).
@@tesla-spectre Sure, but wait to Nio launches in more countries.
@@stigronnysuleskard5299 well, since the 1000km challenge is about now and not the future, I just think that using the swap stations for comparison is just not right. So far, one can only compare cars using the existing charger network. 🤷♂️
Otherwise , I could also say wait till we have the 1000km battery or the Tesla roadster 😂
@@tesla-spectre Or ET7 with the 150 kwh battery :)
As you said it's a great car but definetly not the best SUV in the market for that price. And when the refresh model Y comes to market it will be the better price/performance car if you want a Tesla SUV.
I don't want it, you can have it. It's too fat for me.
I just couldn't bring myself to spend this much money on a car that looks so bad with such a plain interior. In the current market, Teslas work best when they are "cheap".
What would you get instead? Just curious
@@05khanha I fortunately don't have a need for such a large car - we have two Model 3s. So I'm not sure. But not a >100k Tesla.
Hy Björn bitte top 10 suv anzeigen mit eine liste.Danke 😋🤗
Music is too loud! And have annoying drill sound/noise.
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Tesla seem to being going backwards
Hahaha the voice comand is racist 🤣 it always understands me.
Yeah it’s the accent problem need to be trained in that accent
"Tesla aspire à créer un modèle économique et industriel centré sur la durabilité, visant à transformer non seulement l’industrie automobile, mais aussi l’énergie et les infrastructures mondiales pour un avenir plus vert. "
les Model Y et 3 et les dérivés économique et de segment accessible à 25 000€, le prix moyens des voiture vendues est 38760€, donc les modelés à 100k€ ...
Tesla is a scam. It hasn´t the value for the price. Lack of important feature, beta software, beta car for a premium prize.
Tesla Fanboys incoming in 3, 2, 1……
@@Bimmer_i4_M50so in your mind you can have any opinion, and any dissenting point of view can be dismissed as being from "fanboys". Guess that's your fool-proof way of staying in your own bubble.
@@Narcissist86No, it’s the common reaction by the „fanboys“ when you dare to criticise Tesla.
Who has better software? LoL
@@joesutter747u don't have to be a fanboy to appreciate and see the whole package that these cars give u
First not by notification but by heart!
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